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CORRESPONDENCE. TO XVp cannot undertake to return rejected communications (We do not hold ourselves responsible for any opinion expressed by OUT correspondents.)" I WAVERLEY HOTEL. I To thit Editor. Sir,-NVill you allow me to state that my tenaney of the above, hotel expired on 28th August last, and that po part of the furniture which is advertised for sale on the premises belongs to rue.—Your# obediently, J. M. YOUNG. t.

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Llandudno [District Council. APPLICATION BY THE COUNCIL FOR A PROVISIONAL ORDER. THE TRAMWAY QUESTION. PROPOSED MIMICIPAL BUILDINGS. COMMITTEE F ENQUIRY INTO EXPENDITURE APPOINTED. The usual month y meeting of this Council was held on Wed esday, under the presi- dency of Mr. Elias ones (chairman). There were also present essrs. R. Conway, John Owen, Wm. Willis ms, Thomas Owen, E. Thorp, Daniel Phi ips, W. Bevan, T. W. Griffith, W. H. Jones, Robt. Roberts (M. S.), F. J. Sarson, J. O. Thomas, R. J. Williams, T. T. Marks, W. I). Williams, and Robt. Roberts (P), with tlfe clerk (Mr. A. Conolly), and the surveyor E. P. Stephenson, C.E.) I' The Chairman, who has lately recovered from a serious illnei, said he should like to thank the member* of the Council for the kind resolution of sympathy with him, passed by them at tiieir last meeting, and he could assure them hat their kindness was no mean factor in tije recovery of his health. He should also like; to include the Press in his remarks and thiiriked them also for their kind expressions, xhere was one other sub- ject he should likefto speak to them about now that he was his feet, and that was with reference to their decorum to be ob- served at the meetings of the Council. They were all aware their last meeting was not by any means ideal one, and certain strong language wfts used which he hoped would not be repea|ed, and with the object of preventing this |n the future he would ask the chairmen of the various committees to have a little iuore forbearance when criticised by members outside that com- mittee, but he also fjoped that the members generally would reftognise that the various committees had spfnt a great deal of time and had the facts tbefore them, and were therefore in a betteposition to judge what should be done. Before concluding he should like them not to make interruptions whilst a member was orif his feet, and always address their remarks to the chair. If they would do this in futjpre the business of the Council would be conducted with less irrita- tion and more forbearance. (Hear, hear.) FINANCE, COMMITTEE. SOLICITOR A1:(D THE COUNCIL. The Finance Committee recommended that in future when thWt Solicitor is unable to attend to the work of the Council, he be re- quested to report upon the matter, so that the Council may Ifave an opportunity of nominating a solicitor. RATES TATEMENT. The Collector's accounts were produced and examined, shewing; total of rates JEl2,228 Is. 4d.; collected £ Up,239. 13s. 3d. outstand- ing £1,986. 8s. Id. > The monthly expenditure sheet was pro- duced and examined. PURCHASE 0' MARINE DRIVE. It was resolved thUit the Council be recom- mended to take stps to advertise for the money required to cpmplete the purchase of the Marine Drive. ? ERECTION OF WORKMEN'S DWELLINGS. It was recommended that application be made to the Local Government Board for sanction to borrow the sum of £1,3940. 10s. for the purchase fropi the Ecclesiastical Com- missioners of 2a. 3r. 21p. of land abutting on the L. tb N. W. Railway, at Llandudno, for the purpose of the erection of workmen's dwellings. APPLICATION FQR FURTHER POWERS. A letter was read from the Local Govern- ment Board adverting to the application of the Urban District Council of Llandudno for an order under ection 33 of the Local Government Act, 1894, conferring certain powers on the Council, and accompanied by copies of letters received from the vestries of Llandudno and Eglwysrhos. The Board desired to be informed whether the Council wished to make any observations on the re- presentations of the Vestries. The Clerk was directed to^fti'htfe thexpression ot opin- ion that/the Coun^Las major-authority are the proper custtf&ans$ £ te award maps, &c., sought to be obtwned. J PROPOSED NEW MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS. Messrs. Thorp and. H. Jones reported the receipt of the following letter from Messrs. Silcock and Reay in the matter of their claim re Muniáipal Buildings, namely :— October 6th, 1897. Dear Sir,—Referring to your letters of August 23rd, and October 2nd, we must ex- press our regret that owing to pressure of business and absence from Bath it ha.s not been in our power to give your communi- cation the attention that so important and exceptional a matter requires. We should like to point out that we do not. desire to make any charges other than those which are strictly proper and reasonable, and that the Council cannot be aware of the immense amount of time and, conscientious work we have devoted to embodying the numerous resolutions and instructions of the Council and the various committees convened, and in endeavouring to carry them out in such a way as to secure a thoroughly substantial and satisfactory building. Were these matters brought to the notice of the Council, we feel sure that they would not consider the offer they made a liberal one by any means at all events, we feel that we should not be justified in accepting such a sum. Nor are we desirous of forcing the hands of the Coun- cil in any way—our only wish being to pro- ceed with the work and to carry it out in such a way as to be creditable to all con- cerned in its erectioni As so many questions are involved, many ot them being of a purely technical nature, we that the best way to arrive at a settlement of the difficulty will be to appoint a professional assessor to whom the whole question cQuld be submitted, and the Council be advised as to the desirability of adopting the various suggestions respect- ing the treatment of $he building, which we have made from time to time, and which so far have not received the consideration they deserve. We shall be most happy to agree to submit these questions, and if necessary that of the reasonableness of our charges to Mr. Lockwood, of Chester, who being the original Assessor in the matter is eminently qualified to deal with the whole case upon its merits, and failing,.hiin, we shall be most pleased to submit the matter to any person whom the President of the Royal Institute of British Architects may appoint for the purpose. We feel sure that the desirability of adopting this course will upon due con- sideration be apparent to the CounciL- We are, yours faithfully, SILCOCK & REAY. It was resolved that the Clerk be instructed to write to Messrs. Silcock and Reay, ex- pressing regret that they cannot see their way to accept the offer which the Council have made, and inquiring whether they would be prepared to meet the Council in Committee with a view to an amicable settle- ment. Mr. T. W. Griffith, in moving the adoption of the minutes of the Finance Committee, said he was certain they were all pleased to see the Chairman amongst them again. (Applause). The minutes of this committee were unani- mously passed. WORKS COMMITTEE. ROUMANIA DRIVE. A letter was read from the secretary to the Craigydon Land Company calling the atten- tion of the Works Committer to the bad con- dition of Roumania Drive, Craigydon. The Surveyor was instructed t.) have the road properly cleansed. APPLICATION FROM TME SWIFTS FOOTBALL C B. An application from th Swifts Football Club for permission to use the Council Field in the evenings for practice games was con- sidered. I It was decided that pernlission be granted on condition that, only thoae players who are members of the club do usa the ground. TAKING OVER A jfew ROAD. The Surveyor submitted a plan and esti- mate amounting to the suip of £ 160 for the drainage of the district Ty'nycoed, and shewing the sewer emptying into that of Mr. Barker in the new road a Rofft Bach. Mr. Barker granted the necessary permission to connect on the understanding that the Coun- cil will undertake the maintenance and repair of the said road. It was decided to recommend the Council to carry out the above wort and to take over the road referred to, on qpndition that Mr. Barker will repair the abutting wall and put it in good condition, and jalso do such w-ork to the road as is suggestetifby the Surveyor. NEW VICTORIAI PIER. The Surveyor submitted a plan shewing the proposed Victoria Her and Pavilion which he had received ffom Messrs. Pugh and Bone. PUBLIC HEALTH ACT.—CAsi FOR THE OPINION OF COUNSEL. Section 42 of the Publjg Health Act, 1875 enacts that every local authority may and when required by order of the Local Govern- ment Board shall themselves undertake or contract for the cleansing of earth closets, privies, ashpits and cesspools, either for the whole or part of their dtrict. Section 87 of the Town's Improvement Clauses Act, 1847, which is incorporated with the Llan- dudno Improvement Act erf 1854, enacts "The Commissioners shall cause the privies and cesspools within the aftid town or district to be from time to time emptied and cleansed in a sufficient and properinanner." Counsel will observe that underi-the Public Health Act it is optional on the- part of the local authority to undertake tl cleansing of earth closets, &c., on the otherihand the Clause in Town's Improvement Clauses Act, 1847, appears to impose thfs duty upon the authority. It will be fjoticed that by Sec. 341 of the Public Health^.ct, 1875, all powers given by that Act are deemed to be in addition to and not in. derogation of any other powers conferred by Parliament Law or Custom, and such oer powers may be exercised in the same majpner as if the Public Health Act had not been passed, and noth- ing in the Act is to exempt any person from any penalty to which he would have been subject if the Act had n passed. Counsel is requested to advise (1) Whether under Sec. 87 of the Town's Improvement Clauses Act, 1847, or otherwise it is the duty of the Llandudno Urban District Council to cause all cesspools and closets to be cleansed as well in outlying parts of the district as in the more populous partp of the town, and generally. COPY OPINION OF COUNSEL. (1). The point is by po means free from difficulty, but my view is that the Urban District Council are obliged by virtue of the provisions of Sec. 87 of the Town's Improve- ment Clauses Act, 1847, tocause the cesspools and privies within the whble of their district to be cleansed from time t10 time in a proper and sufficient manner. It is clear from the language of Section 87 and some of the sue ceeding sections :—That such an obligation was imposed upon the (then) Commissioners, but a totally different state of affairs is pro- vided for by the Public Health Act, 1875, Sec. 42 and 44, and (where adopted) by the Public Health Act Amendment Act 1890, Sec. 26, Sub. Sec. (2) for sunder thes" latter provisions it is optional (itt an absence of an Order of the L.G.B.) on the part of the local authority whether they themselves cleanse or contract for the cleansing of cess- pools and privies or whether they by Bye- laws under Sec. 44, impose the liability of doing so upon the occupiers of the premises to which they belong. The question, there- fore, seems to be whether these latter pro- visions impliedly repeal the provisions of Sec. 87, ofjfcJw^iSgvffi's Improvement Clauses Act. I eems they 0 not but these last (mentioned) ptoovisionk where incor- porated in the local rimaf^yiJyjH force. This view is borneVmt Hi#' the enactment of Sec. 341 of the Public Health Act, 1875, and is strengthened by the observations of Mr. Justice Wills in the case of Lea v. Fahey, 172 B.D. 139, to the following effect The newly-created body is to exercise not only the functions that were exercised by that body before in the same way as before, but also it is to exercise all the powers given by this Act besides "—and further, I think it is worthy of observation that where the pro- visions of the Public Health Act Amendment Act, 1890, are intended to be substituted for the provisions of a former Act, it is clearly shewn in the Act—see Public Health Act Amendment Act, 1890, Sec. 34, Sub. Sec. (3). (Signed) E. HONORATUS LLOYD. It was agreed that the Surveyor be instructed to report as to what additional plant will be required if the Council under- take the work of emptying cesspools and generally as to the estimated cost, etc. Tne minutes of the Works Committee were confirmed on the proposition of Mr. Bevar. WATER AND GAS COMMITTEE. GAS METERS. The Engineer reported that as requested he had, after an inspection, valued the whole of the private gas meters in use in the dis- trict, taking an average of 15 years as the life of a meter and basing his calculation upon that. The total sum amounted to £(;0. 19s. lOd. Those meters which have been in use during the past 15 years had not been considered, and he thought steps should be taken to replace them with new ones. The Water and Gas Committee approved of the valuation, and decided to recommend the Council to purchase the meters. WATER MAIN. The Engineer called attention to an al- teration in the paving over t^e water main* which had been laid on Talycafn Bridge, from what was originally intended. Under the agreement with the company, the Coun- cil are in the event of a burst in the main, liable to make good any damage which might be occasioned to the bridge, and having that in view, he had arranged with the Company s Engineer that York slabs should be laid down over the pipes, so as to facilitate getting at the main. This arrangement had, however, been departed from, and corrugated iron sheeting, bolted down to each side of the trough, and it was the intention to put asphtlte upon tlmt. The Engineer further stated that he had been in correspondence with the Company's Engineer on the subject, but had not been able to prevail upon him to adhere to the original arrangement. The Clerk was directed to write to the Sec retary to the Company, protesting against the action being taken by the Company, and stating that the Council will yot be responsi- ble for any damage which may be occasioned to the bridge in consequence of the difficulty in getting at the main. EXTENSION OF GAS WORRS. A. letter was read from Mr. G; A. Humphreys stating that Lord Mostyn is prepared to let the three acres of land adjoining the Gas Works required for Gas Works Extensions site for the destructor and electric station, for the sum of £100 a year, for a term of 99 years, the lease to run concurrently with the existing lease of Gas Works, and should the measurement of the land required exceed 3 acres in extent, the additional land to be paid for pro rata. The committee referred to the existing lease of the Gas Works, from which it appeared that 59 years of the lease was to run, and that the annual rent now paid was £-10. The committee were of opinion that that rent asked was excessive, and they requested the Clerk to express their views to Lord Mostyn and ask him to reconsider the matter. If his Lordship cahnot see his way to reduce the price, this committee feel that they have no option in the matter, and they, therefore, recommend the Council to accept the offer. A letter was read from Mr. Pickering, agent to Lord Mostyn, stating that Lord Mostyn let the Council have the land re- quired by them under its market value, and were at present making money out of land sold by him to them. Mr. W. H. Jones, in moving the adoption of the minutes of the Water and Gas Com- mittee, said he thought the price of £:3:3. 6s. 8d. per acre required by Lord Mostyn was excessive for the land required, and hoped that his Lordshij) would take into consider ation that the land was required for a public purpose, and considerably reduce the price, although if LOrg Mostyn did not see his way clear to do so, they had no other course open to them but to accept his terms. Mr. Robert Rpberts (M.S.) said he did not know of any Jand purchased from Lord Mostyn out which the Council were making a proti. It should be remembered that both the present Board and the old Board of Comtpissioners had done all that was possible to enhance the value of property in the town by constantly making improve- ments, and Lord Mostyn and his heirs would reap a material benefit from the work that the Council were now carrying out. He hoped the Council would appoint a deputa- tion to interview Lord Mostyn to ask him to reconsider the terms, pointing out at the same time that the land was required for public works. Llandudno, unlike many other towns, had no land or other property to assist its development, but was entirely dependent upon the rates. Mr. F. J. Sarson stated that since he had been on the Council he had never known Lord Mostyn to reduce the price of land by a single guinea after once stating his terms, and he; for one, should record his vote against further interviewing Lord Mostyn on the subject, on business principles. Several other .speakers continued the dis- cussion, and it WitS ultimately decided on the proposition of Mr. John Owen, that Lord Mostyn be approached with a view to obtain- ing the land on jpi lease of 99 years, and that the whole lease be extended so as to be coterminous. The minutes of the committee were then passed. SANITARY COMMITTEE. HOSPITAL EXTENSION. The Surveyor presented a claim by Messrs. J. and W. Owen for compensation in respect of the land taken from them for hospital ex- tensions. The committee considered the claim excessive and deputed the Chairman and Mr. R. Roberts to see Messrs. Owen with a view to coming to a more reasonable arrangement. HEALTH RETURNS. The Medical Officer of Health's return of births and deaths during the month of August was presented, from which it appeared that the deaths per 1000 of the population during the month PROPOSED ABATTOIRS. The special sub-committee reported the result of an interview they have had with a deputation representing the local butchers, with respect to the plans of the proposed slaughter-houses. The meeting was held at the Council Room, on Friday, September 24th, at 2.30 p.m. The Surveyor submitted an amended plan of the proposed new slaughcer- houses. The deputation after having care- fully examined the plan, expressed their approval of the sarne, subject to the arrang- ing of certain details in the construction of the buildings. j. They also expressed a desire to be further consulted in the matter of fittings and venti- lation, and suggested that one of the depu- tation and the Engineer of the Council be appointed to visit and inspect those in use in the Liverpool slaughter-houses. The Sur- veyor stated that he had cubed the contents of the building and estimated that the cost of the whole would be about £ï,ïoo. The plan warwpupoved of, and the Surveyor was requited to\prepare detailed plans and estimate to enaq|e application to be made to the Local Govern Itaeni! oard for sanction to borrow the money*e^uilpd. _yN The Surveyor wawriitlvkrisea tfckaccompany a representative apwunte fcf tfy trite butchers to inspect the fitfSgs £ the Liverpool slaughter-houses. The Chairman reported that he had been unable to find a person willing to act as clerk of the works at the hospital extension for an hour or two a day. Mr. William Williams moved the adoption of the report of the Sanitary Committee and stated that Mr. Little is forwarding a daily telegram to be included in the meteorological reports of the London papers. VOTE OF THANKS TO DR. NICOL. On the motion of Mr. Thomas Owen, it was agreed to send Dr. Nicol a hearty vote of thanks for his labours during many years in sending local reports to the various meteoro- logical societies. The minutes of this committee were then confirmed. BYE-LAWS COMMITTEE. DANGEROUS PLACES. It was ordered that a notice be fixed on foreshore, near the Little Ormeshead, warn- ing persons of the risk they may incur in fre- quenting the dangerous places in that locality. COMPLAINTS FROM VISITORS. Several suggestions, the result of com- plaints made by visitors and others during the season, were submitted by Inspector J. R. Jones, as follows, viz. :—The question of fixing a more prominent notice prohibiting smoking in the Invalid's shelter. The scarcity of sitting accommodation, and the provision of other than iron seats on the Promenade. The question of painting the seats and rails earlier in the season. The provision of a larger and more prominent badge for the use of the boatmen. The pro- vision of berths for placing of sailing boats. The examination of bathing machines and re-numbering same. The Bye-Laws Committee decided that the question of providing wooden seats for the Promenade, and of attaching foot-rests to the seats on the grass plots in North Parade, be referred to the Works Committee. It was also agreed to ask Mr. W. Williams, Super- intendent Owen, and the Surveyor to consider the suggestion of Mr. J. R. Jones, with reference to the construction of berths for sailing boats during the winter. THE OMNIBUS SERVICE. The Bye-Laws Committee reported that they are much disappointed to tind that Captain Wilson has discontinued to run his omnibus from North Parade to Craigydon, and being of opinion that the public require- ments call for a service during the winter months, they hereby ask Captain Wilson to consider the abvisability of putting on at least a one-horse omnibus, and running the I same during the winter. Mr. Pell appeared before the committee and discussed with them the question of running an omnibus from the Post Office, Llandudno, to the Post Office, Craigydon, via Mostyn Street Extension, when the same be opened. The committee informed 31r. Pell that j when the application be made, they will recommend the Council to take the same | into favourable consideration. A letter was read from Captain Wilson that he did not withdraw his omnibuses until he had lost a considerable sum of of money, and if the public of Craigydon required them, and would take a certain number of tickets, to cover the cost of running, he should be pleased to again place the buses on the route. He might also state that the 'buses had depreciated double more than they should have done, owing to the unsatisfactory state of the road, and many passengers had been compelled to get off because they could not stand the severe shaking. Mr. Marks thought Captain Wilson ought not to be allowed to withdraw the buses just when he pleased. Mr R. J. Williams expressed himself as of the same opinion as the previous speaker. It was understood that Captain Wilson would run the buses so long as they were required by the public. NSW MARKET HALL. The Bye-Laws Committee's report stated that the members had met at the New Market Hall and made a general inspection of the building, which the Surveyor stated that he expected would be finished by the 1st of November. The Surveyor was directed to inform the Clerk so soon as the Market be completed and fit for use, and on the receipt of such information, the Clerk was requested to take the necessary steps to advertise the opening of the market, and to obtain from the Justices a certificate, pursuant to the Market and Fairs Clauses Act. 1847, that the Market is completed and fit for use of the persons resorting thereto. The Surveyor presented the following particulars of the building, including a sum estimated to complete the work. viz Market Hall, £ 1226. 4s. 8d. Fire Station and cottage, 3s. 4d. Yard, £291. 13s. Total, £2174, Is. With a view to arriving at the sum to be charged as rent of the stalls in the market, the Clerk was directed to present a general report on the question, with full particulars of the cost of the market portion of the work. Mr. R. Conway moved the adoption of the report of the Bye-laws Committee. This was confirmed. LIGHT RAILWAY COMMITTEE. The Light Railway Committee's report- stated that they foad had under consideration the letter of Mr. R. S. Chamberlain, which was submitted to-'the last monthly meeting of the Council, with reference to opposing the application of the Llandudno and Colwyn Bay Light Railway Company for a Pro- visional Order to construct a Light Railway in this district. It was decided to meet as soon as the Solicitor to the Council is able to attend, to discuss the mode of procedure to be adopted towards opposing the scheme. This committee is of the opinion that the tramway route to be constructed by this Council shall be as follows, viz. :—Commenc- ing at Siop-y-Roe, along Bodafon Road, Brynybia Road, across the fields on the line of Mostyn Causeway, along Mostyn Avenue, Mostyn Street Extension to North Western Hotel, through Mostyn Street, Gloddaeth Street to West Parade. The Surveyor was instructed to prepare for the next meeting of this committee a plan shewing the above Suggested line of Tram- way route. Mr. Marks formally moved the adoption of the report of the Light Railway Committee. Mr. Thorp could not see why they should pass thfr minutes, as it was quite understood that ft was'npt the intention of the Council to proceed witfe the work. The report s then passed, with two or three dissentients. f iri W THE PROPO.«D LIGHl*. RAILWAY. 0" A letter was read from Mr. Yvarwicfc Webb, solicitor to the Light Railway pnymoters, stating that he hoped the Council wou allow him to make a further effort to bring about an understanding between them and the com- pany in regard to the pending order. One reason in particular seems to justify this course, notwithstanding the fact that the company's former application in April last met with so short a shrift. The im- pression the company had gained was that the Council do not desire themselves to incur the expense of constructing the tramway, provided they can secure full and fair pro- tection for the ratepayers. This protection the company were prepared to give, and he would venture to make the following pro- posals on their behalf (1) The lines to be constructed and worked as tramways. (2) No heavy goods traffic, or goods of an objection- able character, to be carried, nor more than two cars run together, without 'ihe consent of the Council. (3) The company to keep in repair the road between the lines, and for 18 inches on either side of the rails. (4) The work of construction and repairs to be under the superintendence of the borough surveyor. (5) The Council to be at liberty, within six months after the order is granted, to elect themselves to construct so much of the line as is within their district. Should they not elect to do so, the company may construct, and the Council is then to have the further right, at any time, to purchase the line at a valuation plus 20 per cent, for compulsory purchase, the Council, in the event of them- selves constructing or purchasing, to grant a lease to the company for 25 years from completion of purchase, as the case may be, at a rental of four per cent, on the cost of construction. (6) The company to undertake to complete the line in Llandudno by an early date. In submitting these proposals, Mr. Webb asked for due consideration, on the ground that they represent an earnest endeavour to meet the wishes of the Council. After considerable discussion it was agreed to defer the consideration of this letter until after the special meeting of the Council for the purpose of applying for a Provisional Order to lay down tramways. CYCLISTs' PETITION. The Clerk read the following petit/on numerously signed by the cyclists of the town:—"We, the undersigned cyclists, beg respectfully to draw your attention to the deplorable condition of the public roads in your district. It is not too much to say that some of the roads are positively dangerous, not only for cycles, but for all kinds of traffic. For instance the Promenade road, which under ordinary circumstances would be a great attraction to cyclists, has during the whole of the summer consisted of a succession of holes and ruts. We venture respectfully to remind you that the condition of the roads in the district affects not only resident, but also visiting cyclists, and we are confident that if the roads are allowed to remain in their present condition, they will, besides proving a source of annoyance to residents, deter many visitors in future from spending their holidays in Llandudno. The petition was referred to the Works Committee for consideration. I'ROPOSAL TO FORM A COMMITTEE OF ENQUIRY. Mr. W. 0, Williams moved that a special committee, consisting of nine members of the Council, be appointed to thoroughly in vestigate the question of the expenditure of the Council and to examine the working- arrangement of each department of the Council to report upon the same to the Council, and to make such recommendations as they may deem necessary, with the object of reducing the annual expenditure and securing greater efficiency, and to better control the working arrangements of the Council The mover, in the course of a lengthy and carefully prepared speech, pressed upon the Council the necessity of a policy of greater economy, the expenditure in the works department being in some cases 20 to 50 per cent. higher than in surrounding districts, for the same class of work. He instanced particularly the large sucis spent on the streets and roads, which reach about £200 per mile, against £10,,) in Rhyl, and yet the condition of our roads is deplorable. Another njatter is the employment of labour by the town he was surprised to find that we employ a total of 1;-)0 workmen, at per annum. Some of us have very tangible for believing that, somehow, we do not receive full benefit from the employment of this army of men, and he suggested that a thorough enquiry be made as to their employment. We should be able to save on this item alone, from £500 to £700 per annum. He believed that this particular branch of our municipal organisation is, to a great extent, responsible for our abnormal and extravagant expenditure, in connection with repairing the roads, removal of ashes, tfce. Finally, Mr. Williams said an enquiry such as the one proposed, is abolately necessary nothing can possibly be lost by it it cannot do any harm it may result in much good and there can be no hesitation in stating that if conducted in a thorough and proper spirit, It will be the means of saving at least £1000 per annum to the ratepayers of Llandudno.—(Hear, hear.) This was seeonded by Mr. Thorp ii an ironical manner. Mr. Sarson considered that the subject had not been treated by certain members with the gravity it deserved. Mr. W. O. Williams had dealt with concrete facts, and he should like to know why certain roads, principally the Promenade and Mostyn Street, had not been repaired during the year. When these questions had been asked they received no answer. Mr. R. J. Will iams expressed himself in sympathy with the object of the motion. Mr. Bevan, replying to Mr. W. q. Williams, stated that the facts he had given them were totally inaccurate. Mr. W. Ó. Williams Disprove them. Mr. Bevan, continuing, said Mr. Williams had promised to give his figures to the Clerk and why had he not done so 1 Where, for instance, did he get his information that the Council employed one hundred-and-fifty men. Mr. W. O. Williams From the pay sheet. Mr. W. H. Jones: I suppose the hundred- and-fifty include those men employed at the Water and Gas Works. Mr. W. O. Williams Everywhere. Mr. William Williams deprecated any attempt to make out that the streets of Llan- dudno are worse han those of other towns but still, he w of opinion that greater economy should be exercised. They did not want to lower Llapdudno before the people of the country, and he hoped much that had been said would be reported. Mr. John Owep did not see that Mr. Williams' motion crealt more particularly with the Works Committee than any other com- mittee. He felt that the expenditure of the Council was increasing year after year, and a general sifting of the whole matter would, in his opinion, do$great deal of good. Mr. Thorp asked where the expenditure was to be reduced. Did Mr. Williams wish to discharge a number of their employees or re- duce their wages 1 Mr. Marks thought Mr. Williams' resolution dealt with the broad principle of value for money, which h was convinced they did not get at the preseiifc tim«<f, The roads could not be in a worse stape thnhy were now. On being put lo the meeting, MtWilliams' motion was carpecj by line voteslfco seven, and the follovmig .wefs appoiiitfd as the Committee offlyjquirj|;—M.essrfc. Joseph Hughes, T. W.|(iriiffth,^VY. O. Williams, R. Roberts (M.S.), V! J. Saraniei Phillips, J Owen, R. J. Williams, T. T. Marks, and Elias Jones. SPECIAL MEETING. A special meeting was then held under the presidency of Mr. T. W. Griffith (Mr. Elias Jones having to retire owing to the longth of the sitting), for the purpose of passing a. resolution in accordance with the Tramways Act, approving of the intention of the Council to apply to the Board of Trade for a Provisional Order to by down tramways within the Urban District of Llandudno. Mr. Marks, in moving that Council apply for a Provisional Order, said their bona tides had been questioned, but he could assure them it was their intention to proceed with the scheme. He thought it unkind and ungenerous on the part of some of their opponents to doubt their expressed in- tentions, and one gentleman in the town, who should know better, had stigmatised their action as a bogus one. Mr. Thomas formally seconded the pro- position. Mr. Sarson did not know if Mr. Marks would treat the resolution he was about to pro- pose as hostile, but he moved that the Coun- cil do not pursue their intentions until they had given the Electrio Lighting Committee an opportunity of considering the ppoposals contained in Mr. Warwick Webbs letter. He had taken the trouble to ascertain from a well-known electrician what would be the probable cost of laying the line as suggested by the Council, and found that at a moderate computation it would be £,r),OI)O. Such a self- contained schemes as that suggested by the committee could not pay in a town the size of Llandudno, but would add sixpence in the pound to the rates. Mr. Marks We may come to an arrange- ment with the company, but if you help to pass my resolution, we shall be in a better position to make our own terms. Some considerable discussion ensued, but < Mr. Marks' resolution was ultimately carried by a large majority, and the letter of Mr. Webb was referred to t è Lighting Committee for cajpiletration.

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PUBLIC 4-UCTIONS. Mr. T. W. Griffith h received instructions from Mrs. Paddock to,sell by public auction the whole of the modeT and superior house- hold furniture and appointments of Elkington House, 1. Craigydon Barade, Llandudno, on November 2nd and iJr 181)7. Messrs. W. Dew & 89n announce that they will sell at the Castle' Hotel. Conway, on Friday, Oct, 22nd, six freehold semi-detached villas in separate lojs. These residences stand in a select locality within tive minutes walk of Conway. It i, also advertised that Messrs. Dew & Son wilt sell on November 1st, the contents of Normjfinhurst, Abbey Road, from instructions of th& executors of the late Mrs. Margaret Wier. The above-named residence will also be offered bv auction on Tuesday, November 10th. ♦

GRECIAN ARCHITECrURE. A lecture v,as delivered before a fair audience on "IGrecian Architecture," by fi. Ernest Phytjiian, in the MasOtoic Hall, Llandudno, aji Tuesday evening last. The lecturer pealt wiii his subject in a most interesting and icid "fftinner, and was afterwards accorded a hearty vote of thanks for his instructive discourse, which was greatiy appreciated.The chair was occupied by Mr. L. H. Edmttfson, M.A. DISGRACED.—A writer in Temple Bar tells bow he went out after deer, and how, after crawling for houra upon the cold, rain-soaked ground, he came at last upon a stag. The noble creature, lying in the heather, rose with a bound to his feet. "Tak' jour time," says Donald, the keeper. I try to qniet my trembling nerves. I prees the trigger. Back blows the smoke into my face, but 1 know at once what has happened; for there comes an agonised No!" from Donald at my elbow. Next moment I see the stag, unhurt, vanish round a projecting point of rock. I rise to my ffet without a word. 1 aUJ too crushed to make any excuses; and t urning my back upon Donald and Colin, I begin mechanically to till my pipe. Nobody seems inclined to brenk the silence Biich a disaster is too terrible. But somebody must speak, and I turn round and say Now nWflY home, Donald. a bad job, but it be helped." I nin think in', sir, it wass the long wait in the cold," says J)on»ld, true gentle- man as be i. Then with regret, But it iss a sad peety. I haf never seen the like ot jon beast on the hill." This is gall and wormwood to me, and I sharply give the order to start homeward. Down the steep hill we stumble in the waning light, and I take a savage plenure in barking mv slim IJglliiJst a rock hidden in the deep bracken. I a:1I in utter disgrace; I feel as if I were being marched home by stern gaolers, a prisoner in chains. The long, weary trudge draws to a close, and I can see the lights twinkling at the inn. I should like to sneak in un- observed but at the crunch of our feet on the wet gravel, out steps the landlord into the night, and advances to meet us with cheery welcome. Any luck, sir?" None," morose I reply, and push for- ward, leaving Donald and Colin, brimful of the sad story, to pour it into willing ears. A grannd beast!" I overhear Donald saying, and be couldnahaf had an easier shoot. Eh, it's an awful peety And sayagelv T > the door behind me.