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IMPORTANT AMENDMENTS DISCUSSED.

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IMPORTANT AMENDMENTS DISCUSSED. 'th the e House of Commons has been engaged an (En ,Wee^ Committee on the Education wep n<* and Waes) Bill, and the following 11108t important amendments die- TO CONTROL THE CLERGY. Colonel KEXTON PLANET (U.. Shropshire. ,.n?oved to add to Clause 8 a provision "that Vol 10US ^n8truction should be given in the ^ntary schools in accordance with the a°Qr ot the provisions (if any) of the trust relating thereto, and should be under control of the managers." -■"lr "W. ANSON (U., Oxford University) cepted the amendment on behalf of the °vernment. It embodied the policy of the government, and made that policy more ex- P1*cit and clear. t Mr. VICARY GIBBS (U.. St, Albans) regretted 'lat the Government had accepted the amend- a ent'» "which was a perfectly unnecessary re- action upon the conduct of the clergy. ljord E. TALBOT (U., Chichester), on behalf "is co-religionists in the Roman. Catholic frurch, objected to the amendment as being •olutely contrary to the spirit of the Bill. Mr. BALFOUE did not think the nature the religious teaching in Eoman ^atholic schools would be interfered with, it was not likely that the four denomina- '°n^l managers would waver in their to their bishop. Lord HUGH CECIL (U., Greenwich) said amendment would give great pain n<* bitterness to many who were not ^treme men and who had done very Useful work. Various Unionist members opposed the a*nenrlment. «r. BALF0UE said he had listened with *°&ie surprise to the expressions of feeling v. i°h had come from the benches behind He had been in the forefront of the fettle for the Bill since its first introduction. Ministerial cheers.) He had not always Reived, he admitted, enthusiastic support Reived, he admitted, enthusiastic support rom those who were in harmony with the ^neral policy of the Government. There was time when they had looked very coldly at e Bill. The cry that the Bill was a measure five clerical control had been caught up y many supporters of the Government, and h« Would not attempt to estimate the number tetters which he had received from his tends saying, "This is a dreadful measure. n the guise of improving secular education really are fastening the yoke of the F*epgy upon our necks." (Opposition cheers.) rfw. as the Bill became better understood it "^cattle more popular—(ironical Opposition coeers)—but as it became more popular he Noticed this extraordinary phenomenon, that joose who had in the first instance most Rented the imposition of the clerical con- .r°l were now rising in their places and say- that the amendment was an insult to the ergy. (Opposition laughter.) It was not an ?58y thing to conduct, inside and outside the ~wti8e, a highly controversial Bill like that I'efore the Committee when one found that hose on whose support one had a> right to changed their tactics and trimmed their sails at different stages of the contro- (Opposition laughter and Ministerial ^heers.) However, he quite recognised that there was in many quarters of the House *here he counted for support on general prin- ClPlea a strong feeling with regard to the f^endment, and. therefore, he did not pro- Ose to make the vote on the amendment a ^vernment matter. For himself he should ^ost emphatically vote for the amendment, he trusted that all in favour of the general principles of the Bill would support I? in the division, (tfini&terial cheers.) _.The Committee then divided on Colonel -Sl&ney's amendment, there voting: — For 211 A-gainst 41 Majority .— 170 THE FINANCIAL QUESTION. Mr. M'KENNA (R., Monmouthshire, N.) moved Postponement of the clause on the ground ^hat the House ought first to be in a position discuss the financial proposals of the ^Temment. BALFOUR opposed the motion. The })<)hcy of the clause was quite irrespective of any decision which the House might come to With regard to the financial arrangements. Mr. LLOYD GEOEGE (R.. Carnarvon boroughs) supported Mr. M'Kenna's amend- ment, pointing out that the Government pro- Posed to add £900.000 a year for educational Purposes to the present grant. He suggested that the Prime Minister should allocate some £200.000 or £300.000 of that sum in order to build schools in the rural districts or in the poorer districts in the large towns in place of the miserable, squalid schools that now in many parts existed. The whisky money was pooled in Wales. That example could now be followed. The Committee then divided:- For the postponement 64 Against 115 Government majority 51 SCHOOLS FOR THE SECTS. Mr. TREVELYAN (R., Yorkshire. Elland) moved to leave out the words "or any other persons." his proposal being to put it in the hands of the local education authority to pro- vide all future new schools. As it stood the Bill, in his opinion, would lead to a rivalry among ministers of different denominations with the object of having in their own special districts their own schools in which their own dogmas would be taught. Mr. BALFOUR opposed the amendment. He held that the English board school system was absolutely intolerable unless it were tempered with the voluntary system. It was as clearly necessary to provide scope and room for volun- tary education to meet the needs of popula- tions which might arise in the future, a. it Was to preserve the voluntary schools already erected. Sir JOHN GORST (U., Cambridge University) said that such provisions as were contained In the clause would be absolutely unneces- I!a.ry. and the religious difficulty would dis- appear from Parliament and the platform- it had disappeared from the schools—if the House would consent to trust to the new local education authority the duty and power of taking all reasonable provision for giving to all the children of the coijntry such teaching as their parents should wish. (Opposition cheers:) Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE did not know how. in face of the recently-issued return on trust deeds, it could be contended that the religious difficulty was non-existent. Sir JOHN GORST said he had not denied the existence of the religious difficulty; his Contention was that it did not penetrate to the school itself, and did not interfere with the relations between the teacher and the scholar, or in the giving of instruction. Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE insisted that under this clause extreme Churchmen, either High and Low, would provide schools. That would raise strife with their neighbours, and amidst this rivalry the education of the children would suffer. So far as Wales was concerned, the Welsh members would close with the Prime Minister's offer if he would give them the Scotch system. He did not think that the control of religious teaching should be in the hands of the county councils, covering, as they did. considerable areas, but that that Power should be given to the parish autho- rities It was perfectly clear that the clause Under debate was not introduced on behalf of the Nonconformists, but siniply and purely I to promote a system of sectarianism which tfc»y protested against. Sir JOHN GORST said he had challenged the House many times to name an instance where a single Nonconformist child was excluded from the teaching profession", and he had never been able to find one. (Ministe- rial cheers.) Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE I have given repeated instances. Sir JOHN GORST: No. Mr. LLOYD-GEOEGE ad^id that the Govern- ment had brought in^fBill which not only legalised, but extended, sectarianism. This was a very dangerous and pernicious clause. The setting-up of small schools, as would happen nnder the clause, would be bad for education, and bad for the teachers, male and female, who would not receive (salaries of more than JE75 or £80, and ranging up to £120 a year. He should like to ask the Prime Minister if it was not possible under the Bill to set up independent schools with an attendance so small that the teachers could act receive higher wages than he had stated. Mr. BALFOUR said that a school might be 99t up in respect of 30 children. Mr. LLOYD-GEOEGE said: Then in that case Vne school must have but a small equipment, ratepayers a greater burden, and with tineatisfactory educational results. What did they find now in force in the Roman Catholic schools? Foreign monks brought over—men who could live upon next to nothing—to teach in the schools, and their salaries in the main went to their churches, so that Roman Catholics were in receipt of double endow- 'u^nf.s. This they had to guard against, yet the Bill would have this effect. (Opposition chr ers.) Mr. BALFOUE remarked that ttv> right hon. harouet shared with Mr. Middlemore the delu- sion that the effect of this clause would be t':o multiplication of denominational schools. The clause was insetted in order to give a liberty that at present did not exist, to build either board or denominational schools. He knew of a place where there was only a r;.omau Catholic school, although the majo- rity of the children were not Catholics. There leing sufficient accommodation in this Roman vViholic school, it was not in the power of 11" 'ocal school board to build another school. That was a most arbitrary limita- tion. (Cheers.) He (the Prime Minister) held no brief for extreme Churchmen. (Cheers.) The Committee divided, and there voted— For Mr. Trevelyan's amendment. 111 \gainst 225 amomwast mtiotity .— 11449A A NARROW DIVISION. Mr. HERBERT ROBERTS (B.. Denbigh, W.) moved to omit the words giving to "any ten ratepayers in the area for which it was pro- posed to provide the school" a right of appea to the Board of Education. Sir WILLIAM ANSON opposed the amend- ment. contending that it was only reasonable that the ratepayers who knew the needs of the district should have a voice in the matter. On a division, taken at 9.10, the amendment was rejected by 87 to 70. The result was received with loud Opposition cheers. RIGHT OF APPEAL. Mr. M'KENNA next proposed to limit the right of appeal to a. majority of the rate- payers. Was it reasonable, he asked, that the ratepayers should be enabled to hang up the work of educational progress for an indefinite period? Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE said that it was exceed- ingly unfair that ten ratepayers-it might be ten out of 10,000—should be able to stop the machinery of education for three months. It was simply playing into the hands of men who had no interest in education at all and were trying to thwart it by every possible means. (Opposition cheers.) In the result the amendment was negatived by 176 to 95. GROUNDS OF APPEAL. Dr. MACNAMARA (R., Camberwell, N.) next moved to limit the appeal to the Board of Education to the ground that a school was not required to meet any deficiency in school places. He thought that new schools should only be allowed to be provided because of educational need and not on account of sectarian claims. Mr. BALFOUR pointed out that at the present moment a Nonconformist district might be served exclusively by a Roman Catholic or an Anglican school and an Anglican district exclusively by a board school. In the view of the Government that system wanted such elasticity as would be given to it by the clause, and which the amendment would deny. Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE said he made no charge of proselytising against the Roman Catholics. As a rule, they would find that the children attending Eoman Catholic schools were Eoman Catholics, but in hundreds of parishes the vast majority of the children in Anglican schools were not Anglicans at all. It was within his own know- ledge that these Anglican schools held out inducements which were not spiritual to Nonconformists to quit the faith of their fathers and become members of the Anglican Church. He knew that in some Welsh Anglican schools this had happened. What was required was efficiency of education. If each sect was to have its school, would some five or six sects, it may be in a parish, each have its own school, while the whole parish was only large enough for one school? Mr. BALFOUR, amid cries of Is this the Scottish system?" and much laughter, moved the closure, which was carried by 187 to 88. Dr. MACNAMARA'S amendment was then negatived by 183 to 82. Mr. BALFOUR followed by moving the question That Clause 9 stand part" be now put. whereupon the Opposition raised cries of Shame," and Put the whole Bill," to which the Ministerialists replied with shouts of "Agreed" and laughter. The closure was carried by 181 votes to 81, and the clause passed by 176 to 78. Progress was then reported, and the House I rose at 12.25 a.m. REGULATING THE SUPPLY OF SCHOOLS. Mr. M'KENNA (R.. Monmouthshire. N.) moted to leave out all the words of Clause 10 after the word not," thereby leaving it to the Board of Education to decide upon the meces- sity of a school without any direction as to the conditions to which they should have regard. Mr. LLOYD-GEORGE (R.. Carnarvon Boroughs), in vindicating the necessity of the amendment, pointed out that if economy of the rates were considered denominational schools would always of necessity have an immense advantage over board schools, because the building for a voluntary school would be provided by the denomination. As to the wishes of the parents, how were they going to be ascertained? Was there going to be a public inquiry, or was the clergyman to get up a petition and hand it in? The inspector who went down to inquire as a rule had preconceived notions with regard to these things. There were two different opinions with regard to education—one was that the most important thing was secular instruc- tion the second was that of the gentlemen who got up the petition, and they would say they did not want to give their children this dangerous weapon of reading and writing, as a canon of the Church had described it. What they wanted was to give them religious doctrine, which taught them to be "humble and lowly to all their betters," and explained to them that their betters were the canons and prebendaries and curates of the Church. (Laughter.) That was their opinion of education. (Ministerial cries of No no," and Divide.") A largo number of thepe inspectors were clergymen them- selves, and they were the very gentlemen who for years and years had tolerated insanitary buildings purely and simply in the interests of. sectarian education. The inspectors would hold secret inquiries and go to the managers to ascertain the wishes of the parents, and not to the parents themselves. The Committee divided, and the voting was— For the amendment 109 Against 203 Government majority. 94 IMPORTANT CHANGES. Lord E. FITZMAURICE (R.. Wilts, Cricklade) moved to substitute "the local education authority" for ."any council," in order to bring the clause in conformity with the Technical Instruction Acts. which the Government declared they had taken as their model. Sir WM. ANSON explained that the. effect of the first amendment standing in his name would be to make the clause run as follows: Any council having powers under this Act shall establish an education committee or education committees, constituted in accordance with a scheme made by the council and approved by the Board of Edu- cation. As to the rating powers, they would be omitted, but would be re-introduced at a later stage. Section 2 of the clause would read as follows: — All matters relating to the exercise by the council of their powers under this Act shall stand referred to the education com- mittee. and the council before exercising any such powers shall consider the report (if any) of the education committee with respect to the matter in quesion. The coun- cil may also delegate to the education com- mittee. with or without any restrictions or conditions, as they think fit, any of their powers under this Act, except the power of raising the rate or borrowing money. The amendments would distinctly modify the relations between the council and the com- mittee as they appeared in the Bill. There was no doubt that as the debate had pro- ceeded a desire had been evinced in the House and in the country that the local education authority proposed to be established should be a popularly elected body and directly responsible to the ratepayers. The Govern- ment desired that that should be so, in spite of all that had been said in discouragement. After further discussion the amendment before the Committee was withdrawn. Mr. JOSEPH A. PEASE (R.. Saffron Walden) proposed to omit all the words in the clause after the second word "education." His object was to get rid of the schemes and all the conditions imposed. He believed the county councils were perfectly competent to manage their own educational work, and it was not at all necessary to put these local education at all necessary to put these local education authorities under the Board of Education so as to be always in leading strings. The Committee divided- For Mr. Pease's amendment 119 [ Against. 241 Government majority 122 Sir WILLIAM ANSON moved to add the fol- lowing proviso with regard to councils dealing only with higher education under Part 2 of the BillProvided always that if a council having powers under Part 2 only of this Act determine that an education committee is unnecessary in their case, it shall not be obligatory upon them to appoint such a oom- mittee."

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