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CARNARVON COUNTY COUNCIL. PROPOSED HIGHER STANDARD SCHOOL AT CARNARVON. STRONG PROTESTS AGAINST THE EXPENDITURE. THE SMALL HOLDINGS QUESTION. A special meeting of the County Council was held to-day week. at Carnar- von. The Chairman (Dr. R. A. Prichard) presided, and the other members present were: Colonel Lloyd Evans, Colonel the Hon. II. Lloyd Mostyn, Messrs John Owen, J. R. Hughes, D. P. Williams, W. J. Parry, J. Evan Roberts, H. C. Vincent, Jones Morris, Maurice Jones, J. R. Pritchard, Dr. R. Owen, Messrs Henry Parry, Robert Hughes, Hughes Roberts, Dr. Thomas, Dr. Wynne Griffith, Rev. W. Morgan, Messrs H. Owen, Richard Davies, Issard Davies, J. T. Jones, T. W. Griffith, C. Pozzi, R. Jones Ro- berts, Thomas Roberts, Richard Tho- mas, H. Lloyd Carter, Charles A. Jones, J. E. Greaves, H. C. Davies, Griffith Jones, Abel Williams, R. E. Jones, W. Williams, Rev. Ceidiog Roberts, Rev. Rheidiol Roberts, Messrs C. E. Breese, Cad. Humphreys, G. O. Jones, William George, T. C. Lewis, Dr. Hughes (Waenfawr), Messrs Hugh Owen (Llandudno. Junction), and O. R. Hughes, with the Clerk (Mr J. T. Roberts). VOTE OF SYMPATHY. Proposed by the CHAIRMAN, a vote of sympathy was passed with Mr D. P. Williams on the death of his wife. SMALL HOLDINGS COMMITTEE. The Small Holdings Committee presented several recommendations bearing upon the leasing of land in the county. They recom- mended the compulsory hiring of Cae Tolpis, near Carnarvon, from Mr Assheton-Smith, for 21 years; Crug Farm, Llanfairisgaer, from Mrs Wynn Griffith, for 21 years; and portions of Plas or Newborough Arms, Clynnog, from the Hon. F. G. Wynn, for 21 years. Mr J. JONES MORRIS (chairman of the committee), in moving the adoption of the report, pointed out that the committee, in spite of many difficulties, were certainly try- ing to put the Act in force. Though the committee had shown every possible fairness to landlord and agent. Yet there was one instance where he thought the efforts of the committee were baffled. Questioned as to his allusion, the speaker said that it was the case of the Newborough Arms, Clynnog. Mr H. C. VINCENT inquired why, if all the powers under the Small Holdings Act were delegated to the committee, the report should come before the Council. Mr JONES MORRIS replied that the only reason was that the committee desired to obtain the sense of the meeting as to exer- cising the compulsory powers. The CLERK pointed out that there was no possible objection to the course taken by the committee. The orders for compulsorily acquiring the land must be sealed by the Council. Mr THOMAS ROBERTS, as a member of the Small Holdings Committee, said that the committee were well advised in bringing all these matters before the Council. For in- stance there was a recommendation to apply for a whole farm, and so deprive a man of his livelihood. He strongly advocated the direct purchase of land rather than leasing it for 21 years by which tenants were at the end of the period deprived of the benefit of all the improvements carried out by them- selves (hear, hear). Mr ISSARD DAVIES: That's worse than the Dukes (laughter). Mr THOMAS ROBERTS: It is worse than any Dake I heard of, and I am not going to be a party to it at all- We have on me committee seven lawyers, seven tradesmen, and only six farmers, and I don't think we ought to leave this question in the hands of such a committee (laughter and cheers). Mr WM. GEORGE suggested that Mr Ro- berts ought to have made his complaint at the committee and not in open Council. The LORD LIEUTENANT (Mr J. E. Greaves) asked how it was proposed to allocate the land ? Mr J. JONES MORRIS: The land will be allocated according to the applications. Mr GREAVES: In Clynnog is it intended to divide the land into small holdings or allot- ments ? Mr JONES MORRIS: Small holdings. Mr GREAVES: What did you propose doing with reg'ard to tho erection of farm buildings and such like? Mr JONES MORRIS They are not required in tlhis particular instance. Mr GREAVES: Are there any places requir- ing buildings ? Mr JONES MORRIS: Only at Nantporth, near Bangor, where the tenant himself is going to put them up. Mr GREAVES Is it your intention to divide Grug farm into small holdings V Mr JONES MORRIS: Yes, if we can get the farm. M,r GREAVES: Now is this Bill not intend- ed to establish small holdings —— Mr WM. GEORGE: I rise to a point of order- Mr JONES MORRIS We can put this farm into proper use under tho Small Holdings Aot. Mr GREAVES: Then you must erect build- ings. Mr JONES MORRIS: Not necessarily- A great number of applicants on our list have some land, and will not require extra building's with the extra land they are asking for. Mr GREAVES said it would be wiser, in his opinion, for the committee to carry on their experiments upon land, which thoy could acquire by arrangement rather than by compulsion. Mr JONES MORRIS: If Mr Greaves can point out any place where we can get land with- out bother the committee will take it (hear, hear). We have none as yet. It is with the greatest difficulty that we can get any terms whatever. Mr GREAVES said that he oertainly would not be a party to a course which mig'ht involve them in untold difficulties. Mr LLOYD CARTER moved an amendment that the consideration of tho recommendations with regard to the Newborough Arms b3 de- ferred until the committee had ascertained whether a farm oallod Maesog in the same neighbourhood could be acquired. He under- stood that the farm which belonged to one of the Cambridge Colleges, was available. lie said it was no use coming to the Council and mak- in.g bombastic speeches, and saying they would not stand this or that, lhat was not the way to carry out the Act (.hear, hear). Mr JONES MORRIS: It is not so. We have negotiated for this farm. Mr LLOYD CARTER said he wa.s assured that his information on this matter was correct. He agreed that the committee had to encounter many difficulties, but it was jio use causing' friotion between landlords and tenants. Mr JONES MORRIS explained to the Coun. cil that the committee would, as soon as they found it advisable to consider tho question of acquiring land by purchase rather than by leasing After, however, the example fur- nished by the Anglesey County Council they were anxious net to oofnmit similar mistakes. There were in the Clynnog district plenty of applicants for land. Mr CHARLES A. JONES moved that the leasing of land by the Small Holdings Commit- tee was undesirable except under certain cir- cumstances, it being the opinion of the Council it would be more desirable and advantageous to the working of the Act to puroliase the land outxigfht. Mr GREAVES seconded. Mr J. R. HUGHES asked whether it was right for Mr C. A. Jones and Mr Lloyd Carter as members of the North Wales Property De- fence Association, to take part in the debate. The CHAIRMAN Nothing personal olease? Mr J. R. HUGHES: It is not personal. Mr C. A. JONES It is not a. personal matter with me. I a.m not interested in any way. I en- tirely agree with what Mr Thomas Roberts has said, and I am surprised that this Council has not seen it in the same light. This Council is largely composed of Radicals, and their party has from time immemorial condemned the sys- tem of leasing land (hear, hear). I am ijot speaking in any hostile spirit, but I hope the committee will oonsider the suggestion I have made. Mr J. JONES MORRIS: We wiH do fJO. Mr VINCENT contended that before too Counoil could acquire any load they imiat decide what they intended doing with It Mr HENRY PARRY said the Small Holdings Act was a Conservative measure, and it must therefore be right. Mr GREAVES a.sked whether it was tJie m- tention of the committee to oust the tenant of a. farm near Carnarvon bo instal another. Mr JONES MORRIS: Yea, we must do it; we can't help it. Mr VINCENT: Is it one of the principles of the committee to say that it does not matter about the tenant? Mr J. R. HUGHES He never said it. Mr VINCENT: Is that the principle upon which the oommittee acts? Mr JONES MORRIS No. Mr VINCENT: Has the tenant objected in this particular case? Mr JONES MORRIS: The landlord and the tenant object. We are getting tenants instead of a tenant. Ultimately Mr C. A. JONES withdrew his proposal, whereupon that of Mr Carter, to the effect that the committee should ascertain whe- ther Macsog, Clynnog, was available, was put and defeated. The committee's report was then adopted. PROPOSED HIGHER STANDARD SCHOOL AT CARNARVON. FREE CRITICISM. Mr T. W. GRIFFITH (Llandudno), in present- ing the report of the Finance Committee, asked the Council to sanction the borrowing of JbbOUO for tlie purchase of land and the erection of a higher grade school at Carnarvon to accommo- date 350 scholars- Mr RICHARD THOMAS (Carnarvon) strong- ly opposed tho recommendation, saying that there was anipie benool accommodation at Car- nrvQn. In tbe provided schools of the town there was accommodation for 1015; on the books there were 987, and the average attendance was 556. In the Church schools there was accommo- dation for 1111 j the number on bcok" waa 580, and the average attendance 496, so that there was a coon unoda t ion in the town for 2026, whilst the number on books was only 1537. Mr J. R. HUGHES Mr Thomas to order, pointing out the question before the meet- ing was one of finanoe only. Mr R. THOMAS, however, proceeded and pointed out that the education to be imparted in the new school would be similar to that airoady given in the higher standards of the existing schools in the town. Of the £6000 the Carnar- von ratepayers would bo called upon to pay half, and that at a timo whan they could not afford it He strongly protested against the way in which the movement to erect the school had been carried out. There was no public inquiry at tho origination of the movement as there should have been, and at one so-caiied inquiry later on 1 those present were distinctly told that they had nothing whatever to do with the matter. At that inquiry ha.askod Mr D. P. Williams whe- ther anyone had a voioo in the matter outside tho Education Committee. "No," said Mr Williams, "because the committee have decided .to build the school whatever you might say." The fact was, Carnarvon couLd .not boar a.ny more burdens. The members of the Education Committee spolc-e glibly about demands being made for the school by tho Board of Education, but had any one ever seen those demands? Tho cry of the Liberals used to ba "Peace, retrench- ment, and reform," but judging by the Carnar- vonshire Education Committee., that cry should be altered to "Tyranny, plunder, and oppres- sion" (hear, hear, a.nd laughter). Mr VV. J. PARRY: I rise to a point of order. Wo are simply wasting time. This matter has been settled. Mr It. THOMAS: By whom ? I Mr W. J. PARRYs By a public meeting at Carnarvon. Mr R. THOMAS: Mr Parry lives at Bothesda a«nd knows nothing about Carnarvon ((laughter). I have lived at Carnarvon all my life, and. surety I ou^ht to know something about the contend that no public inquiry was hold at <^ar- narvon. Let Mr J. R- Prirtchard resign his seat, and I will light him up cm this question (cheers and laughter). I move that an inquiry be -at Carnarvon to ascertain whether the so. 1 is required. v Mr J. R HUGHES (Carnarvon) seconded, but he said it was no u&o one knocking' his head against the wall. "We can't beat the hduca- tion Committee," he said, 'T hc<y have decided to build this school, and we may as well take it lying down" (laughter). Mr R. THOMAS: No Mr J. R. HUGHES said they could only go ir.lo the question of finanoe. He said he had heard that the Education Committee had^decided upon a site belonging to the London and North- Western Railway, which was raW at 50s as agricultural land- The Cae Mawr land was alio mentioned as a site. Three acres of tins land was rated at JB7 15s as agricultural land, and for lg acres £ 1996 was asked. Then tneio was the Cae Hampton site, the agent for wlnoh was Mr Richard Thomas. Ihiu land was. at 54s, and for li acres Mr Richard Thomas asked £1452. As to the fourth site he was pleaded to say that Alderman Issard Davies had come to the rescue, and had cigered it for a fair and honourable price. It was Is acros, and was close to the County School. He intended giving half an acre as a free gift to the tewn to be cultivated by the pupils as a garden (chcers). Mr Davies' la acres of land were only Ia:.ed at 75s, yet he wanted £126 for it less the half acre he was presenting to the town. Mr VINCENT: I rise to a point of order. Mr J. R- HUGHES: I can quite understand you rising' to a point of order daughter)- Mr VINCENT: Are we going to have a disquisition by Mr J. R. Hughes on land valua- tion, or are we goitnj to discuss the subject on the agenda. I objoot to these particulars being gone into. Mr J. R. HUGHES: You can understand Mr Vincent. Mr LLOYD CARTER: Is Mr Hughes out of order or not? The CHAIRMAN: He is not in order. He is not going oil the lines of the motion he se- conded. A hot informal discussion followed between different members amid ories of "Order," "No, r no," "Yes," and "Go on." Mr VINCENT rose, and when asked by seve- ral members to ait down said: "I will not sit down and let Mr J. R. Hughes deliberately in- sult the ruling of this chair-" Mr J. R HUGHES: I would be sorry to do 00.. Mr VINCENT: But you are doing so- The Chairman has ruled you out of order in dealing with these values, and yet you on deliberate- ly insulting the chair (cries of "Order"). The CHAIRMAN: The question is whether we are going' to spend £6000. That's it in a nutshell. The committee have not purchased land. and it is not right for Mr Hughes to I mention the particulars he has. Mr J. R. HUGHES: I alII &orry to do any- thing contrary to the ruling of the chair. I will stick to the £6000. As a resident of the town I am anxious that the money will not be thrown away on a poor site. The question of seouring' the school has been decided, and let us proceed carefully now. The town of Car- narvon was never so poor as it is now, and it cannot stand any further burdens of rates. If the representatives from the country knew how difficult it was to pay the rates in Carnarvon they would pause before putting any additional burdens on the shoulders of the ratepayers of the town. Mr ISSARD DAVIES pointed out that the district the school would serve must pay the moiety of £ 3000, and not Carnarvon a lone- llev. W. MORGAN said that the fact that there had not been a proper inquii'y at Car- narvon, and the districts where the school would serve, invalidated the whole proceedings. Mr RICHARD DAVIES stated that an in- quiry was undoubtedly held about two years ago- Mr VINCENT: Hew was it advertised; who attended it, and what was tie subject matter of the inquiry ? The SECRETARY of the Education Com- mittee mentioned that there was no legal neoes- rity to hold a public inquiry at all. The only legal necessity was a public notioe of the inten- tion of the Education Authority to provide fur- ther school accommodation, and that notice was duly published. Mr VINCENT: In a newspaper? The SECRETARY: Yes, in a newspaper. I Mr VINCENT: What newspaper? The SECRETARY: I don't remember just now. We also sent a copy of the notioe to the managers of the Church of England Schools. Mr VINCENT: National Schools, if you please. Tho SECRETARY: Church of England Schools M the official designation. Mr C. A. JONES Non-provided Schools- Mr J. R. HUGHES: Are you ashamed of the name? ,Mr VINCENT said that as a matter of fact no proper inquiry was held, though the question was of vital importanoe, and the Eduoation Com- mittee intended forcing a school costing £ 6000 upon a town whioh did not wish it- The only persons really interested in the matter had never been consulted. Mr LLOYD CARTER also said that no in- quiry in the proper sense of the word was held. Mr JONES ROBERTS (Bangor) protested against Mr Carter continuing claiming that he was out of order. Mr Jones Roberto persisted with his contention, whereupon the CHAIRMAN remarked: If you won't sit down. I will vacate the chair. Mr JONES ROBERTS: AU right; he is breaking the rules. Mr LLOYD CARTER: I hope the ratepayers of Carnarvon will remember who have pro. tested against this unnecessary expenditure of money. Mr C. A. JONES asked why a letter sent to the Eduoation Oommittee by the Carnarvon Ratepayers' Association had never been acknow- ledged- The SECRETARY: The letter was submitted to the Building Committee. Mr C. A. JONES declared that the ratepayers of Carnarvon never had the opportunity of at- tending the inquiry. The whole thing was m.an- ag'ed in a whole and corner manner (bear, hear). This expenditure is simply scandalous. Mr D. P. WILLIAMS: It has not been done in a hole and corner. Everything has been done openly (cries of "No, no"). If you had to send your own children to the Drill Hall you would heartily support the erection of tho school (hear, hear). Mr LLOYD CARTER: They have no need to go there. Mr J. R. PRITCHARD said he could claim to speaic on behalf of tho Carnarvon ratepayers as well as other members. He had been at the head of the poll at the election, and -—— Mr LLOYD CARTER: And you will be beaten next time (laughter). BANGOR'S EXAMPLE. Mr J. R. PRITCHARD said that the other 6.1Ü18 spoke about tho voioe of the peojje. That was not what they wanted; they wanted to kill the school. Their idea was to make such a crush in Carnarvon that the children would have to be sent to the Church Schools without any regard for their health- A Id or a. 2d rate in Carnarvon would noi ruin the old town (hear hear). Were the Bangor people opposed to any expei diture on behalf of education; did they grumble at a 4d or 6d rate; no, Mr Vincent led them on to victory (hear, hear, and laughter). All Mr Vincent and Mr Thomas wanted was to fill the Church of England Solicols- The CHAIRMAN its wrong for Mr Pritch- ard to talk about the Church of England Schools. b Schools. Mr T. W- GRIFFITH emphasised the fact that the Finanoe Committee were adowing only £ 6000 to the Eduoation Committee, and no bills for ex- tras must be presented to the Finance Com- mittee. It was imperative that the Education Committee must beep within the £ 6000, and they must oonhne themselves to the 6ite at 2s a yard. It was in that light be voted. At the Pwllheli meeting it was deckled not to permit money to bo borrowed for new schools unless there had been a public inquiry. The CLERK: Carnarvon was exempted from that. "BEHAVING LIKE A PACK OF CHILDREN" A warm debate followed, there being quite a babel of sounds in the midst of which the CHAHlMAN exclaimed: "We are here on ser- ious business, gentlemen- You-are behaving like a pack of children. Everyone has a right to his own opinion." A Voioe: But we have got to educate some of these gentlemen (laughter). Only five voted for the resolution that the Edu- cation Commi'ttoe should not proceed with the erection of the .new cchool bcfor.e tho ratepayers of Carnarvon had their opinion. Mr J. R. Hughes, who seconded the resolution, did not vote for it. OLD UNIVERSITY COLLEGE BUILDINGS- SUGGESTED USE FOR ASYLUM PURPOSES- A discussion arose as to the Denbigh Asylum buildi.ngs, several members tiecjaring that Uar. narvonsUT-re should set its lace against any further a tuitions to the asyi-um buildings at Dcn- bigh. Mr JONES MORRIS mentioned that it was likely that the wvrkl;.uu.521S throughout Lh:) coun- try would soon be emptied if the report of the Poor La w Cormnission was adopted. Mr J. T. JONES: It be adopted, my dear sar (laughter). Mr JONEti MORRIS said that 30 to 40 per cent, of tho aimuces of the Denbigh Asylum could be housed in the workhouses in iNorth Wales. Those who required more stringent treatment could be retained in Denbigh. Mr J. R. HUGHES remarked that there would be no paupers if the Budget w-cnt through (laughter). He said that there had been groat extravagance at the Denbigh Asylum beforo the advent of the present members. If that e"tra- vagance took pijieo in Carnarvonshire be would have his coat off and would bo lighting. Mr THOMAS ROBERTS (Aber) remarked that the old buildings of the Univeisity Co.iege of North Waies wouid soon be elnpty,and no sug- gested that it would make a suitable place for treating those for whom there was no room at Denbigh. Mr D, p. WILLIAMS said tha.t Carnarvon- shire should insist that no further additions were made to the asylum. Mr J. JONES MORRIS stated that they did not want an asylum in Carnarvonshire. Mr T. W. GRIFFITH assured the Council that their representatives on tho Asylum Com- mittee were very active. THE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE. When the question of appointing representa- tives on the Court of Governors of the North Wales University College came up for consider- ation, Mr J. R. HUGHES asked if there waa any truth in the statement that the University Coj,J.e.ge had received IIotoe to quit their farm at Madryn? Mr THOMAS ROBERTS: Yes. Mr J. R. HUGHES asked if the farm had been taken on lease? Mr ROBERTS said there was a lease lor ci. years, terminable at 7, 14. or 21 years. Mr J. R. HUGHES proposed that the Coun- oil should not appoint representatives on the Court of Governors, as there was nothing for th"m to do- A MEMBER: Ko, its all cut a.nd dned when we get th-&rc.. Mr D. P. WILLIAMS hopod tha.t; the gover- nors would be appointed. Mr J. R. HUGHES: We have not a word to say when wo get there. RRv. W. MORGAN said it would be very rude not to appoint governors. t Mr T. W- GRIFFITH remarked that he was disgusted at the way the business of the Court of' 'Governors w as conducted- Names were read out, and when an objection was made they were told that they had no right to raiae objections to the names which had been selected Mr J. R- HUGHES: By Mr Henry Lewis I Mr GRIFFITH: Yes. about wveu or eight days before the meeting. Mr C. A. JONES: Just the sa.me as the caucus meeting in connection with our own annual meeting's (loud laughter). Mr D. P. WILLIAMS pointed out that nomi- nations had to be made within a certain num- ber of days. A MEMBER: By Mr D. P. WILLIAMS: By an-one- Rev. CEIDIOG ROBERTS: Gentlemen are continually nominated who ha.ve been on for years- I led attention to the matter, and was backed up by Mr J. R. Hughes, but the nomi- nations went, on just the same. Mr W. J PARRY explained tha.t freedom was given everyone to nominate. It decided to ro-appoint the old members. ADDITIONAL COUNTY COUNCILLOR FOR PENMAENMAWR. i The report of the committee appointed to inquire into the application of the Penmaen- mawr Urban District Council for an addi- tional member .on the County Council, decided in favour of allowing an additional member.

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ST. ASAPH (FLINT) RURAL DISTRICT COUNCIL. # DYSERTH AND MELIDEN DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. The monthly meeting of this Council was held 11 Friday, presidd over by Mr Edward Williams. Therl" wora also present: Miss Owen Jones, Mr Wm. Morri. (viœ-cha.irman), Messrs Edwin Morgan, W. S. Roberts, W. Oonwy Bell, J. Lothian, Griffiths, F, J. Jones, an'l Goo. Williams, with the clerk (Mr Chas. Grimsley), th medical officer (Dr. Lloyd Roberts), the surveyor (M r E. O. EV3ns), and the road sunreyor (Mr John Lloyd) DRAINAGE WORK AT MELIDEN. A letter was read from Mrs Walkdn with reJereDce to drainage to her 1IIeliden property, and asking the Council to hear her representatives to talk matter over. The Council decided to do so, but first of all con- sidered a letter addressed to the Local Government Board by Mrs Limonzin, one of the tenants, and upo-: which the Local Government Boord desired the Itural Council's observations. The Sanilary Inspector reported that at the request of Mr Geo. Williams, the coucillor for Meliden, he h.1 made an inspection of the district for the purpose or recommencing Another scheme of drainage (or Mr s I Walkden's houses. Atr making a careful inspecti he and Mr Williams C'3me to the conclusion that in the absence of a sewerage system (ur the village th 1 m-ost practical method of draining the property would bo to lay a sewer down the lane unoor the railway bridge crossing th waste land-, on to the main road by Mount Pleasant, then along the main road, and oonned with the existing sewerage system near th Wesleyan Ch3pcL He estimated the cost of a niù ineh sewer at £ 120, and a six inch pipe at £ 100 ?tIr ¡-lopwood, rcprcsrnting Mrs Walkden, appeared before the Board, and stated that he had seen t Pickering, Lord Mostyn's agrnt, who had told him tint he was willing to advise his lordship 00 all JW th': to have a piece of land for drainage purpne6, pro- vided it would not interfere with any building opera- Hons. Mr Pickering adde-d that he would be pleaseù to meet tho surveyor and himself with a view of going into the question. Mrs Walkden was qui-t willing to pay a fair share of the cost of any new scll L ine ba1; he pointed ou that she had aheady expended £ 60 ,)11 a drainage system, which had been approved of hy thc Council, in that they had sanctioned the building of the houses. He did not think that Mrs Walkdei, would be willing to pay half of £ 120 for a which would benefit other property beside hers. They already paid a sanitary rate-, but received no benefit. She would be wiling to pay an increased sanitary rate. In rop1y to Mr Oonwy Bell, Mr Hopwood said he did not think people in Meliden would be prepared to pay a rate of 10s in the £ and he was not aware tha,t it had boon estimated a sewerage schem for Meliden would cost £ 16,000, whereas the ratroble value of Meliden was only £ 4000. He considered that the acquisition of the land mentioned by Mr Pickering would \TIee,t the case. A long discussion ensued, culminating in the adop- tion of the folIowing motion, submitted by Mr (Jonwy Bell: That this Oouncil meet the Meliden Parish Coun- cil, and request Mr Pickering, lr Andrew (Ecclesias- tical Commissioners), and a representative of the Rail- way CGmpany to attend 00 generally discuss the whole qU8stion of drainage at Meliden. A PETITION FROM DYSEHTII. A petition, signed by a number of property owners and residents ill Dyserth, was read, calling the attcn- tion of the Council to the urgeat need of a sY3tem of drain3ge for Dyserth, and the imperative nssity for immediate action in the matter. Whilo recoplising the cost that such an outby would entail the peti- tioners felt convinced th,t the expenditure of suell an undertaking would make the locality morc sanitary for the present inhabitants, and would also give [!1 impetus to the rapid development in the building of a number of an improved class of houses, which were at present much in demand. Mr Conwy Bell eaid he notieed that all the peti- tioners resided in Upper Dyserth, where they had al- lowoo people to build houses without any drainage scheme. The day had come when something musit be done. He supposed the older portion of Dyserth also wanted a scheme, but there was not the urgency there:l2 in the case of the upper part. The Chairman ag-rd with what Mr Conwy Bell ood stated. The petii0;1ers were owners of property where a system was required. They had already been advised by Dr. l'lcldwr, the Local Government Board Inspector, and lh2ir medieal officer, that something ought to he done, and in urging the consideration of a scheme he thought they were moving in the right direction. After a bng discussion, it was decided to meet the Parish Council and other int2rested parlies, as in the case of Meliden, it being suggested tlut lhz two par- ishes could be visited on the tame day. PROPOSED ISOLATION HOSPITAL. The question of the proposed is',1atiun hospital caino again lip, when a letter was re*Î frem the Den. bighsire Inlirmary authorities, calling attention to the urgent need of an isolation hospital in the dis- lrict, and another communication from the Local Gov- ernment Board, asking wbat had bcoen done to provide such II aSI)Íla! ? In tLe ccurse of a desultory discussion it was stated that Prestatyn WNC not prepared to join in the move- ment, while Abergele had a scheme of it3 own. 1111' Conwy Bell declared that they were meeting obstacles at every turn. If they departed (rom the original scheme, so as to include Prestatyn and Aber- gele, they would need more land than had originally been provided for. He wa3 informc<1 by the surveyor that a h:>spitalwilh twelve beds might do, but first cof all th: would have t,) obtain the sanction of he Loca.1 Government BoarJ. At each meeting fresh ob- stacles were raised, and they seemed as far off as ever with the s<heme. Mr Edwin Morgan agreed with Mr BeJl, reminding the Council that they had discussed the question fur years, and at every meeting difficulties arose that they had not originally contemplated. In the event of having a larger scheme they would probably have to obtain two more acres of land at a oost of about £ 340 per acre, which would boo large amount for- them to pay. He said that if a hospital pwYiding eight beds was proceeded with he understood thry would only be able to deal with one kind of complaint at a time. Miss Owen Jones suggested that they should move I withaut Abergele or Prestatyn. The Medical Officpr asserted that Prestatyn were not likely to want to join in, as the Council were in favour of having a hospital of thrir own. Th-ø Chairman said they were not anxious for the co-operation of Prestatyn and Abergele. The Medi,"3.1 Officer stated that if Abergele joined in thero would be more delay. The matter was eventually again deferred.

BISHOP OF ST. ASAPH AND DISESTABLISHMENT. Unusual scenes were witnessed at the Public Hall, Preston, when an audience of five thousand assembled to hear addresses upon Church defence by the Bishops of Manchester and St. Asaph. The audience was swelled by a procession a thousand strong cf the parishioners of Emmanuel Church, who came to protest against the appointment of the Rev. W. E. H. Morris, chaplain of Hen- shaw's Blind Asylum, to the vaeant vicariate in preference to the present curate-in-charge, the Rev. W. J. Hull. Lusty cheers for Mr Hull were given eight or nine times as the bishops and local clergy appeared upon the platform, and when the hrst verse of the opening hymn, "O God, our help in ages past," had been sung, cheers broke out with renewed vigour, the singing and the organ being completely drowned for some time. 1 he Bishop of St. Asaph described dises- tablishment as constitutional, and disendow- ment as a legal question. They could dis- establish their top hat on the head by taking it on without risk, but they could not dissect a limb without a surgical operation perilous to life. Disestablishment was more or less a misnomer, for the Church was never estab- lished bv Act of Parliament. Disestablish- ment wuld mean that thev would have a secuiar state, which meant secular men. Dis- endowment, he thought all fair-minded men would admit, would be an outrage on justice; it would throw back Christianity ill the countrv where he was born and lived all his life.

SMALL HOLDINGS IN FLINTSHIRE. At a property sate held 3.t Holywell on Friday the froohold farm known as Brynmadyn Ban Farm, situated ait Bagillt and ex ten ding to up- wards of 54 acres, w-ns purchased on behalf of the Flintshire County Council for th purpœ9 of emalll holdings and alJ<>trnent&- The price was £ 1,675. On F, a nøw Council school was opened wt A'be.rhaåesp, near Newtown, by Mr Richard Jones, chairman of the Montgomeryshire Edu. oation Committee. The first keel plates of the Dreadnoughts "Lion" and "Orion" were laid. on Monday at Devonport and Portsmouth respectively The "Lion" will be the most powerful cruiser- battleship in the world.

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