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NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the i\< Guardians of the Abergavenny Union will, at their meeting on the loth day of Decem- ber next, proceed to the appointment lof a Nurse at their Workhouse. The salary will be 130 per annum, increasing to £ 35 by £ 2 10s. od. per annum, with residential allowances (no beer) and uniform to the value of £ 5 per year. Applicants must have had pitch training in nursing as may render them fit persons to hold the ofhce, but preference will be given to persons who hold a certificate, of having undergone for three years at least a course of instruction in a Hospital or Infirmary, being a training school for nurses, and who hold a certificate under the Midlives Act 1902. They niust be single, or widows without children. The appointment will be made subject to the provisions of the Poor Law Officers' Super- annuation Act 1896. Applications, stating age, qualifications, and present occupation, with certificates, and copies of three testimonials of recent date, to be sent to me not later than the 6th day of December next. Dated this 12th day of November, 1915. W. H. P. SCANLON, Clerk to the Guardians. Poor Law Offices, Monk-street, Abergavenny. ABERGAVENNY UNION. APPOINTMENT OF COOK. THE Guardians of the Abergavenny Union 1. invite applications for the office of Cook at the Union Workhouse at Abergavenny. Salary, £ 25 per annum (no beer), with residential accommodation. The appointment will be made subject to the provisions of the Poor Law Officers' Super- annuation Act 1896. Applications, stating age and present occupa- tion, accompanied by copies of three testimonials of recent date, to be sent to me on or before the 6th day of December next. Dated this 12th day of November, 1915. W. H. P. SCANLON, Union Offices, Clerk to the Guardians. Monk-streetj Abergavenny. 1 QOBEQT PRICE & SONS, MONUMENTAL WORKS. One of many recent Testimonials: "I have pleasure in sending money to cover cost of Tomb- stone and Curbing. "I have been to see your work ancTfound it excellently done, and I shall have pleasure in re- commending you to others." MONUMENTS (OF QUALITY. BEST, YET CHEAPEST. THE WHITE SISTERS GIVE LESSONS IN French, Pianoforte, Violin & Mandolin, Painting, French Painting, Poker-work, Needlework, to Children and Adults, both ladies and gentlemen. They take also yonng ladies who have left school for accomplishments, French and Needlework, at moderate charges. FRENCH CLASSES are held. Terms: 10/6, if Class is composed of at least six members 12/6 if only four members. For further particulars, Apply to The REV. MOTHER SUPERIOR, Pen-y-pound House. I Christadelphian Synagogue, LION STREET, ABERGAVENNY SUNDAY NEXT, NOV. 21st, 1915, At 6.30 p.m. Subject: "THE PROMISED LAND." COME AND HEAR. Seats Free. No Collection. is»ales bp auctitin. In the Estate ot Trooper Harold J. Woodward, deceased (killed in action). RED BARN FARM, ABERGAVENNY. (Half a Mile from Brecon Road L. & N. W. Railway Station). JAMES STRAKER FF A I i sON & CHAD WICK (F.A.I.) Are instructed by the Administrators to conduct an IMPORTANT TWO DAYS' SALE On THURSDAY & FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 25th & 26th, OF THE WHOLE OF THE LIVE AND DEAD FARMING STOCK TOGETHER WITH THE HOUSEHOLD EFFECTS. 'VK GRAND SHORTHORN CATTLE, including a Carefully Selected and PROFITABLE HERD OF 75 30 DEEP MILKING COWS. 130 HEALTHY YOUNG IMPROVED RADNOR EWES & FAT LAMBS. 9 STAUNCH WORKING HORSES & COLTS. 45 FAT & STORE PIGS. LARGE COLLECTION OF AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS together with the Well-Preserved and VALUABLE HOUSEHOLD EFFECTS AND DAIRY UTENSILS. Including New 3i, H.P. MOTOR BIKE. The whole of which will be sold without reserve, on the above mentioned dates and in the following order of sale :— THURSDAY, November 25th I ive and Dead Farming Stock, commencing at 10 o'clock to the minute with Implements. FRIDAY, November 26th Household Furniture and Dairy Utensils, commencing at 12 o'clock to the minute. LUNCHEON (1/6 each, returnable to purchasers of £ 2 and upwards) will be on the tables from II o'clock to 2 o'clock at the Stock Sale. LIGHT REFRESHMENTS will be obtainable at moderate charges on Friday. Catalogues may be obtained seven days prior to Sale from the Auctioneers, Abergavenny and Crickhowell. J. STRAKER, SON & CHADWICK (Members of The Auctioneers' Institute), .AUCTIONEERS, VALUERS, ESTATE, LAND AND HOUSE AGENTS. SALES conducted of House Property, Estates, Timber, Machinery and Plant, Shares, Agri- cultural & Trade Stocks, Furniture, Pictures, ¡' Plate, and all Household Effects. VALUATIONS made for Probate, Tenant Right, Mortgage or Sale, and for the Transfer of Hotels and other businesses. Licensed Victuallers' Accounts kept and Stocks taken. Gauging. SALES OF FAT & STORE STOCK in Aber- gavenny Cattle Market every TUESDAY, and FAIR-DAY, commencing at 9.30 a.m. ESTATES Managed and Rents Collected, Mortgages negotiated. SALES of Horses, Vehicles, Harness, &c., in the Cattle Market, every Fair Day at 11 a.m. INSURANCES of all kinds effected in leading Offices. Register kept of Farms, Country and Town Houses to Let or for Sale. Teelphone P.O. 24. Telegrams Chadwick," Abergavenny. Offices: FROGMORE & MARKET STREET CHAMBERS. ABERGAVENNY. MONTAGUE HARRIS, FA.I., AUCTIONEER, VALUER, HOUSE AND ESTATE AGENT. Telegrams Montague Harris, Abergavenny.' Telephone P.O. 41. SALES conducted of all kinds of Property, Agricultural and other Stock, Timber, Furni- ture, &c. WEEKLY SALES OF FAT & STORE STOCK in the Cattle Market, Abergavenny, every TUESDAY & FAIR DAYS, commencing at 9.30 a.m. VALUATIONS for Probate or Mortgage, and for the Transfer of Licensed Premises. PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE in Estate Manage- ment. Rents Collected. All Insurances effected. Offices LION STREET, ABERGAVENNY. PERCY WIBBERLEY, AUCT]ONEER, VALUER, ESTATE AGENT AND INSURANCE BROKER. Telegrams Wibberley, Auctioneer, Aberga- venny." Telephone: P.O. 142. SALES conducted of all classes of PROPERTY, FURNITURE, FARMING STOCK, GROWING TIMBER and OTHER EFFECTS. VALUATIONS made for all purposes. INVENTORIES taken and checked. TRADESMEN'S BOOKS Audited. LARGE EXPERIENCE in all classes of IN- SURANCES for FIRE, LIFE, WORKMEN'S COMPENSATION, THIRD PARTY, PLATE GLASS, INFOAI. MARES, TRADESMEN'S HORSES, &C. WEEKLY SALES OF FAT & STORE STOCK in Abergavenny Market every TUESDAY and FAIR DAYS. Offices LION STREET (over Bakery Shop), ABERGAVENNY. BY ORDER OF TRUSTEES. LLANWENARTH, ABERGAVENNY. TWO FREEHOLD STOCK FARMS Known as PINE GROVE AND PEN-Y-GRAIG, within 3 miles of Abergavenny, and 10 minutes ¡ from the Pyscodlyn Station, G.W.R. Motor Omnibus Service, well placed facing south over the Usk Valley, adjoining lands belonging to Mrs. Sandeman, Col. Parkinson's Executors, and Mrs. Lewis. Let to yearly tenants. In all about 227 Acres, mainly Grass Land, with Houses and Homesteads. MESSRS. DRIVER, JONAS & CO. are 1 favoured with instructions by Trustees to Sell the above by Auction, at the ANGEL HOTEL, ABERGAVENNY, on TUESDAY, NOV. 30th, at 2 o'clock precisely, in Two Lots (unless previously sold by private contract). Solicitor WELLINGTON TAYLOR, Esq., 59 Lincolns Inn Fields, London, W C. Auctioneers 23 Pall Mall, London, S.W. NANTYDERRY. Midway between Abergavenny and Pontypool, and within 10 minutes' walk of Nantyderry. MESSRS. J. J. GWATKIN have been ■L' favoured with instructions from the Executors of the late Mr. William Aulton to offer for Sale by Public Auction, ON THE PREMISES, On MONDAY, NOVEMBER 29th, 1915, At 3 o'clock sharp in the afternoon, subject to the Common Form Conditions of Sale of the Monmouthshire Incorporated Law Society, ALL THAT Valuable Freehold PROPERTY known as PENWERN COTTAGE with Garden and Premises thereto, situated close to the road, containing by estimation 20 Perches, more or less. For full particulars apply to the Auctioneers, Osborne Chambers or to MESSRS. BOWEN & SON, Solicitors, Pontypool. PENWERN COTTAGE, NANTVDERRV, Mon.  'I T Y D E R R V, Mon. Midway between Abergavenny and Pontypool, and withilr 10 minutes' walk of Nantyderry Station. Sale of well-preserved Household Furniture. A_IF,SSRS. J. GWATKIN have been l favoured with instructions from the Executors of the late Mr. William Aulton to Sell by Auction, without reserve, at the above address, On MONDAY, 29th NOVEMBER, 1915, The whole of the HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE Comprising: ANTIQUE OAK CARVED CHEST, ANTIQUE OAK BUREAU, Weather Glass, Drawing Room Suite in oak, upholstered in red, and in excellent condition OAK OVAL FOLDING TABLE, COTTAGE PIANO. The whole of the BEDROOM APPOINT- MENTS, comprising Washstands, Dressing Tables, Mirrors, Mahogany Oval Swing Mirror, 2-tier Corner Oak Washstand, Mahogany Chest Drawers (about 5ft.), Bedsteads, Single Iron Bedstead, Lino., Carpet, Fenders, Linen, Blankets, 3 Feather Beds, Feather Pillows and Bolsters, Chairs, Palliasses, Chair Night Com- mode, Eiderdowns. OUTSIDE.—Quantity of Timber, 3 Iron Boilers, Odd Harness, Wheelbarrow, Seed Potatoes, Sacks. ( f The Sale of the Cottage and Paddock will be conducted at 3 o'clock precisely. Goods on View Morning of Sale. Sale to commence at 12 o'clock prompt. Terms Cash. For further particulars, apply to the Auc- tioneer, Osborne Chambers, Osborne Road, Pontypool. -1 ¡.t. SPECIAL ENTRY. CATTLE MARKET, TUESDAY NEXT. TAMES STRAKER, F.A.I., SON, & CHAD- <J WICK, F.A.I., will Sell by Auction, for E. H. Luckock, Esq., Brynderwen, Usk, I' JERSEY COW (barren), CROSS-BRED COW (in calf), 3 STORE PIGS. No Reserve. COLISEUM ABERGAVENNY. Telephone, 33. MANAGING DIRECTOH RICHARD DOONER. RESIDENT MANAGES W. H. WALLER. ANOTHER EXPENSIVE PROGRAMME OF STAR ATTRACTIONS. MONDAY, TUESDAY & WEDNESDAY The Third Episode of the World's Masterpiece, "THE EXPLOITS. OF ELAINE." A Thrilling and Exciting Episode in Two Parts. THE VANISHING JEWELS. LOOK OUT for the next Episode, THE FROZEN SAFE. THE TELEPHONE SPY A Sensational I Dramatic Story. EADIES LITTLE NIGHTMARE Nestor Comedy. THURSDAY, FRIDAY & SATURDAY An Expensive Star Picture, entitled THE IVORY HAND, An Exciting and Dramatic Story in Three Parts. A Wonderful Plot, and a Series of Sensational Incidents, probably unequalled for their kind in any previous production. THE OLD GROUCH A Sensational Drama. HOGAN OUT WEST Keystone Comedv. IS AMERICA READY A very interesting Topical Subject. ADULTS I ADULTS, [ ADULTS, 3d. I (Tip up Chairs) I (Tip-up Chairs CHILDREN, J e?. I a?. 2d. ) CHILDREN, 3d. | CHILDREN, 6d. BOROUGH THEATRE, MONDAY, TUESDAY & WEDNESDAY, November 22, 23, & 24. Doors open at 7.30. Commence at 8. Reserved Seats 1/6. Unreserved I/ Back 6d. Seats may be booked at Heins & Co.'s Music Shop, Frogmore Street. CHILDREN'S PERFORMANCE the FIRST EVENING at 6. See special announce- ments. WALFORD'S WELSH MAIDS BETTER THAN EVER For the 1915 Season. A Big Array of Special Items to Suit the^Times, including PATRIOTIC SONGS & CHORUSES. British, French Belgian and Russian Specialities. IN FULL NATIVE COSTUMES. BRILLIANT LIMELIGHT TURNS In Gorgeous and Artistic Colour and UNIQUE PICTORIAL EFFECTS. The Finest Variety of Song, Dance, Music and Pictures that has ever been on tour."— Exeter Express and Echo." Under the personal direction of W. H. WALFORD. Manager FRED TOOLE. Advance Representa- tive MISS A. LEONARD.  TO £ 1000 without sureties prompt attention ,??5 convenient repayments and penods.-Applv in confidence to actual lenderShikbo, 84, High Street, Newport. FOR SALE BY TENDER, 125 Oak, 16 JL* Ash, and 3 Elm Trees, numbered in white paint, standing on Pool House Farm, Llanthewy Rhytherch. The highest or any tender not necessarily accepted. Tenders to be sent to Williams, 5, Corporation Road, Cardiff. MONMOUTHSHIRE. DUFFRYN FARM. CWM, LLANELLEN. TO BE SOLD BY TENDER, 214 Oak -L Timber Trees and Stores, numbered with white paint, 1 to 214, standing in wood on the said Farm, together with the Coppice comprising 30 Acres, or thereabouts, about 20 years' growth, suitable for pitwood and cogwood. Tenders to be sent on or before December ist, 191=5, to Mr. John Jenkins, Pentwyn, Llanellen, who will arrange to show the lot to intending purchasers. FOR I MALrr & HOPS TRY THOMAS DEL AFIELD, KINGS ARMS, ABERGAVENNY. FROGMORE HALL, ABERGA- VENNY. A JUMBLE SALE AND E ntertainment will be held in the above Hall, ON NOVEMBER 26th, 1915, at 5 o'clock, p.m. Refreshments will be provided at a nominal charge. GIFTS of CLOTHING, PROVISINNS, &c., will be thankfully received by Mrs. Stedman, Bale Hurst, Stanhope Street. Admission, 2d. each. Proceeds in aid of the Belgian Relief Fund.
.ABERGAVENNY BOARD OF GUARDIANS.
ABERGAVENNY BOARD OF GUARDIANS. OFFICERS AND ENLISTMENT. I DECISION TO RELEASE THEM NO TERMS I OFFERED. ARE TOBACCO AND MARGARINE I INJURIOUS. The meeting of the Abergavenny Board of Guardians on Friday again provided some lively discussion on various topics, the enlist- ment of officers of the Board being perhaps the most important and vexed subject. Majpr W. Williams presided, and there were also present Mr. H. J. Gwillim (Vice-Chairmau), Mrs. Hiley, Revs. Father Wray, J. F. W. Trumper, D. E. Hughes, E. J- Lloyd, Messrs. George Davies, Benjamin Price, David Edwards, Robert John- son, D. Watkins, Robert Workman, John Bay nam, Alfred Edwards, and Joseph Howe]ls. Trouble with the Pigs. I me Master reported that the number of inmates in the house was 131 (82 men, 30 women and 19 children), compared with 156 for the corresponding period last year, a decrease of 25. In addition there were two men and 14 women chargeable to the Newport Union. The number of vagrants relieved was 99, compared with 208 for the corresponding period last year, a decrease of 109. Mr. John Prichard had brought apples and papers for the inmates He was sorry to have to report that two pigs had been ailing for about a week, and one died the previous night. He had called in the veterinary surgeon. Father Wray What was the cause of death ? The Master The last time the veterinary surgeon was there he said he thought it was pneumonia, but if one died he wanted to open it to see. Mr. D. Watkins Did you buy these pigs, Mr. Edwards ? (Laughter). Mr. Trumper Objects to Tobacco. I After the Master read his list of requirements for the fortnight, the Rev. J. F. W. Trumper raised the question of the consumption of tobacco by the inmates. He thought 1760ZS. a fortnight was too much to use. They were blowing away nearly /90 a year on tobacco, and in an institution like that, and especially at the present time, when they were told by the Prime Minister that the financial position of the country was very serious, he thought they ought to cut down all expenses that were not necessary for the support of human life. He had always maintained that tobacco was not necessary to the support of human life, and it was smoked more -from sentimental reasons than anything else. He did not say he went in for the pro- hibition of tobacco, but he thought there wa:; need for a reduction. If they reduced it from i i lb s. to Slbs. a fortnight they would not be in- flicting any injury or discomfort on anyone, and it would leave nearly £I a fortnight to be spent in ways more beneficial than on tobacco. There was not a single medical man in the whole country, who knew his business, who would tell them that tobacco was necessary to human life. In many cases it was distinctly injurious. Mr. Trumper, who had been sitting all this time. now rose to his feet and proceeded to refer to the case of a man with a weak heart. He thought it very probable there were cases of that kind in their Union. If the man with a weak heart wanted his time to come quicker than usual, the best thing he could do was to smoke tobacco. If the question were gone into properly, and sentiment was banished entirely, they must come to the conclusion that the reduction of the quantity of tobacco was a reasonable step. In another way tobacco acted as an irritant, and they could see the effect of that by the way it made some people spit. Spitting was a filthy habit and a great vehicle for the carrying of infectious disease. He therefore thought they ought to reduce the quantity to Slbs. per fort- night. Mr. D. Watkins What is the allowance per week ? The Chairman: That is known. We have had it threshed out over and over again. Mr. George Davies said perhaps the Rev. Mr. Trumper was not aware that tney had men at the workhouse who did many unpleasant jobs they were not bound to do, by giving them a little extra tobacco. Ever since he had known the workhouse, the boilers had always been looked after by a man who received a little extra tobacco. He was not bound to do the work. If he refused to do it they might have to pay a man (ji a week to do the work. They would have great difficulty in cutting the tobacco down. Mr. D. Watkins How much tobacco is allowed per man ? The Master One ounce per week. Mr. D. Watkins Will the Rev. Mr. Trumper say how he is going to reduce it ? How does he prppose to divide it up ? Mr. Trumper said that if a man was physically fit he should have his share. Mr. D. Watkins It is ridiculous for a person to propose to reduce an allowance of .1;1. per week for tobacco, and to go about smoking 4d. or 6d. cigars. (Laughter). I should like you to I suggest something, Mr. Trumper. Mr. D. Edwards I suggest that they have an I ounce each per week. Irritant or Soporific. ) Father Wray said he thought it was simply a question between moderation and excess. Mr. Trumper said that tobacco was an irritant. If it was used in excess it might be, but if it was used in moderation it had a soothing and soporific tendency. If they considered that an ounce a week was moderate, then keep to the I I Ibs. If they thought it was excessive, then reduce it, as Mr. Trumper said, to SIbs. He was not able to judge. Mr. Alfred Edwards said he should like to draw attention to the fact that not every man in the house was a smoker. They were allowing an ounce a week, and it was probable that half of the men did not smoke. There was also another thing. It was a luxury, and ratepayers had been told they must do away with all luxuries at the present time. Mr. Joseph Howells thought the inmates were quite deserving of the allowance, and it was not worth while to reduce it. He should like the members to go to the house and find for them- selves the opinion on margarine, which had not I' been-- The Chairman I can't allow that. The Board has passed it, and here you are naggling about a thing that is settled. If you want to say anything, give notice of motion. I Mr. Howells You ought to have stopped Mr. Trumper. He mentioned it first. The Chairman Pardon me. Mr. Howells Because I mentioned it. again I am out of order. I am quite as much in order as Mr. Trumper. The Chairman Mr. Trumper rose the question of tobacco on the Master's orders for the fort- night. There was not a word about margarine. Mr. D. Watkins Yes, it was mentioned. Mr. Robert Workman said he did not think an ounce of tobacco per week was injurious to any man. When he was recently walking through the wards of the workhouse he saw the old men smoking their pipes, and said to them, Enjoying your tobacco ? They replied, Ves. Mr. Workman the only pleasure we have." To take that pleasure from those old men would be a scandalous shame. The Chairman I hope this is the last time we shall hear about the tobacco, because I can assure you I am not a smoker neither is Mr. George Davies. Mr. George Davies He is. The Chairman And yet we non-smokers are anxious that the old men should have a bit of tobacco to enjoy their life while they are in the workhouse. The Master has told you that he could not get the work done if it was not for the extra tobacco, and I am surprised that gentle- men should suggest it. Why don't they give up tobacco and send the money they save to relieve us here ? (Laughter). No one is more strong for the ratepayers than I am, but I don't think the ratepayers would object to what we have done. They were doing their work con- scientiously, and he maintained that if it were put to the public the public would be in favour of the inmates having the tobacco. If it came to the push, I would rather give a trifle towards | it myself. I hope this will be the last time we shall hear about it. The next thing, Mr. Seanlon. j Inmates Knitting Socks for Soldiers. Mrs. Hiley said the Chairman had recently 1 suggested, and the Board had agreed, that the inmates should work for the Red Cross Society. She was pleased to state that, under the super- i vision of the Matron, the work had been taken j up. She had seen some of the work, and could not speak too highly of it. It reflected great credit on the matron and the inmates. (Hear, hear). The Chairman said it must be gratifving to all that the poor people were doing their little bit for the soldiers. The socks the inmates knitted were splendid, and he could not have believed the inmates could have knitted them. Complaints about Margarine. I The Vice-Chairman said the Visiting Com- mittee received continual complaints, especially from the women, in regard to the substitution of margarine for butter. In his opinion they were not justified, because after the complaints were received they asked the Master to cut a piece of margarine off the cwt. and they had it for tea. They also had butter at about, is. 6d. per It). Some of those members who had disagreed with the substitution of margarine for butter said they preferred the taste of the margarine. ,i e inirgarine. Mr. Joseph Howells Oh. no. (Laughter). The Vice-Chairman: I don't wish to get at loggerheads with Mr. Howells, but my impression is that he said lie preferred the margarine. Mr. Howells You have misunderstood me. The Vice-Chairman I will withdraw if I have. As far as I am concerned, if anyone had asked me which was the margarine and which. the butter, I could not have told them. The margarine was quite good enough for me. and there was no reason to complain. Mr. Howells You will allow me a word now, Mr. Chairman ? The Chairman Yes Mr. Howells said he quite disagreed with what Mr. Gwillim had said. He never said he pre- ferred margarine to the butter. If he did he would be insane. He said that as they had it on the first occasion he did not know the difference. On the second occasion they had both butter and margarine. He took the margarine and he took the butter, and he said there was a certain taste in the margarine which he did not find in the butter. He still said that the margarine at the house was not fit for a dog to eat. (Hear, hear). He was speaking now, and he was serious, of the margarine given to the tramps. He would ten times rather have dry bread than have that margarine on it. It was not fit for human beings. One person vowed and declared that it upset and irritated his stomach. He showed his stomach to Mr. Gwillim, himself and the Master. Rev. D. E. Hughes Showed his stomach ? Mr. Howells Showed the effect it had on him, and if it has that effect on human beings, the sooner- the better and the more creditable it will be to the Board to give people butter instead of margarine. The Chairman I cannot understand Mr. Howells. The first time we had tea he enjoyed it and said it was splendid. Mr. Howells I said I didn't know the difference. The Chairman How is it you enjoyed it ? What is the good of going on like this ? Father Wray said it did not always follow that it was a question of taste. There was margarine and margarine. There was mar- garine which tasted very badly indeed, and margarine which was just the same as butter. It was not a question of taste always, but a question, as Mr. Howells said, of the irritation of the stomach, and therefore it was quite possible that the people who complained at the workhouse felt the irritation in their stomach, though they were not able to tell the difference between margarine and butter in the taste. It was a matter of effect. That was a well-known fact, and though he did not wish to raise the question, it had been raised and the fact ought to be known. The Chairman I should like to ask this—are you a judge, then ? Father Wray Yes, I am a judge. I Mr. D. Watkins: Is Father Wray a judge of the irritation of the stomach from margarine ? Don't you think it would be wiser to refer it to a doctor and let him give his opinion ? Father Wray I did not say that the irritation of the stomach is from margarine. I say, of course, that margarine does irritate the stomach, where fresh butter does not. What I say is that I am a very good judge of butter because I have been obliged to have it the whole of my life. I firmly believe that the tendency of margarine—and I have medical authority for saying so—is to produce consumption. That is one of the reasons why I voted for continuing butter, because I did not want to see brought up a generation of tuberculous people. Mr. Robert Workman Hear, hear. Mr. Watkins Will the Master tell us whether there are two distinct kinds of margarine ? Mr. Howells referred to the margarine given to the tramps. Is that the same kind that is gi ven to others ? Mr. Robert Workman No. The Master We have two classes of margarine. Mr. Trumper Why should you have two classes ? The Master We adopted one class 12 months ago for tramps, at 6d. per lb., and have used it ever since. Mr. D. Watkins Do you consider it is fit for these people to eat ? I should like to have your opinion. The Master I am of opinion that it is quite good enough. Of course, it is a different quality Terrible Stuff. The Vice-Chairman My opinion is that it is not good enough. It is terrible stuff it is, really. Mr. D. Watkins The Master says it is quite good enough, and Mr. Howells says it is not fit for a dog to eat. It is time we had it tested. I don't believe in giving any human being stuff that is not fit for a dog. Mr. Trumper I quite agree. The Chairman (to the Master) The order was distinctly given to you to buy the best margarine. The Master That was for the house Mr. Joseph Howells said he should like to explain matters. The margarine for tramps had been in vogue for 12 months, but it was only recently that they had given margarine to the inmates. He was not laying any blame on the Master at all, because the tramps had been having it for some time, but the funny part of it was that the tramps got a double allowance of inferior margarine to what the inmates received. He did not like the idea of forcing such margarine on human beings. Mr. Alfred Edwards Are the complaints from the tramps or the regular inmates of the house ? The Vice-Chairman We don't come in con- tact with the tramps. It is from the women more especially, and one man. The women are not complaining that it irritates the stomach. They say the taste is such that they cannot eat the bread and butter. It is not a case of irrita- tion at all, but a case of taste, and that is why I say they are not justified in their complaints, because the taste is equal to say the least, to butter. Mr. Howells It is irritation of the stomach. Father Wray Mr. Gwillim said that the com- plaints are as to the taste, but there is taste and taste. For instance, a thing may have a pleasant taste in the mouth, but the moment it gets down to the stomach it may be an irritant. The Chairman You have said that before. You are reneatinQ" the same tiling I Father Wray That is the answer to Mr. Gwillim. In reply to the Chairman, the Master said lie used 861bs. of margarine per fortnight for the tramps. The Chairman Do you ever have a com- plaint from the tramps ? The Master No tramp has ever complained to me. Mr. Trumper Wait till they do. Mr. D. Watkins Can I have another word ? The Chairman No, sir. Mr. D. Edwards commenced to speak. The Chairman Wait a minute, one at a time. Everyone must have a chance of speaking. You. complain of the delay at the meetings. Father Wray We don't complain. This is a conversation. The Chairman We are getting a repetition of the same thing time after time. Mr. D. Watkins When it comes to a question of people's health and what they eat. we onsrht to take time. U The Chairman Get up and ask your question, and finish. Mr. D. Watkins You have allowed Father Wray to get up three or four times. I feel very much indebted to Father Wray for the explan- ation he has given us, and possibly I have suffered the same as he has. If I never get any butter at all to eat, I am not going to "Eat mar- garine, if I know it. If it can be proved that the margarine is not fit for dogs, it is a disgrace to give it to any human being. Mr. Trumper Did you ever taste any margarine ? Mr. Watkins Yes. Mr. D. Edwards Perhaps you did not have the best. Mr. George Davies If we have any doubt about it, let us submit it to a medical man. The Chairman That was what I was going to suggest. j Mr. D. Watkins I move that we submit a sample of the margarine to the analyst. Rev. D. E. Hughes What margarine ? Mr. D. Watkins That given to the tramps. Rev. D. E. Hughes We have heard that the tramps have never complained. Mr. Trumper You have never heard of any irritation of the stomach of a tramp. (Laughter). Father Wray That is because they run away. The Clerk read a report from the Medical Officer, agreeing to the substitution of bread and cheese as an alternative to meat dinners, and also of the substitution of margarine for butter. Mr. D. Watkins What does he know about margarine ?