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THE POLITICAL CAMPAIGN IN FLINTSHIRE. CONSERVATIVE MEETING AT CAEI,, V A crowded meeting in support of the Conservative candidates for the County and Boroughs of Flint was held at Caerwys Town Hall, on Thursday evening last, under the presidency of Mr. W. H. Buddicom, of Penbedw. The proceedings were very enthu- siastic, and the Hon. Mr. Mostyn and Mr. Pennant were accorded a cordial reception. The Chairman having opened the proceedings in a brief but pointed speech, called upon The Hon. H. Mostyn, who was loudly cheered. In the course of his address, he said that coming as they knew he did from a family which used to up- k hold the old Whig principles, he felt only too proud in the present relations of political parties to join t that party which was now the great Constitutional party—(cheers)—whose motto was "defence, not defiance constitutional progress, not revolution a party whose objects were to stand by and protect the Queen and Royal Family and the British Con- ftitution, and to repel the attacks of atheism which were being made against our Christian country, and to protect and prevent the dismemberment of our vast and glorious empire which had cost our forefathers so much in treasure, so much in blood, and so much in energy to make (applause). The time would shortly come when the country would have to decide whether it would have again in office the Govern- ment which came into power in 1880 full of promises for the welfare of the British empire—he meant Mr. Gladstone's Government—but which had fulfilled none of their promises a Government which had scattered their money broadcast like spendthrifts- (hear, hear)—a Government which died not a natural but suicidal death or would they have a Government which, quiting themselves like true patriots, rushed to the front, seized the reins of office, and rescued the affairs of State from the inevitable confusion and ruin into which they were fast drifting. Let them compare the acts of Lord Salisbury's Government and the acts of the late Liberal Government, and he thought the result of that comparison would not be unfavourable to the party to which he had the privilege to belong— (hear, hear). Lord Salisbury's Government had only been in office a few months, but during that period the confusion and stagnation created by the late Liberal Government had rapidly disappeared, and the cloud which seemed to hang over our 1\ foreign affairs seemed to have lifted (applause). I Mr. P. P. Pennant, who received quite an ova- I tion, said that in April and May last we were on the point of going to war with Russia, bat fortunate by the differences and disagreements which existed between England and that country, had been swept away since Lord Salisbury's Government came into office four months ago. In Egypt things had been settled—not permanently he feared—but for the present at any rate the loan which the Liberal Government had striven and struggled ineffectually to raise, had been now obtained, and Egypt was now able to go on its way smoothly and quietly (hear, hear). No great question relating to foreign Powers now distracted their attention and now they were able to look at home, and they must acknowledge that their state of affairs at home was far from being satisfactory. The agriculturists were obtaining only very small profits, or no pro- fits at all-(hear, hear)—and their workmen were able only to earn very small wages. He commended the Conservative Government for having appointed a Royal Commission to inquire into the state of trade; and replied to some remarks made by Lord Richard Grosvenor at Buckley, when he said that the commission was intended to cast a slur and a doubt on what had raised this country to its present prosperity-free trade. He showed that that was not so, and that this country was suffering more from the depression than any other of the principal countries of Europe, and simply because we threw open our ports to receive the manufactured articles of other countries duty free. To admit manufac- tured goods into this country duty free, whatever may happen, was simply putting a rope round our own necks, and handing the end of it to other countries, who could hang us if they liked to do so r 7 (applause). On the motion of Dr. J. Twiston Davies, seconded by Mr. John Roberts, Geinas, and supported by the Rev. E. Jones, rector of Caerwys, a vote of confidence in the Conservative candidates was unanimously passed. A vote of thanks to the Chair- man having been proposed by Mr. Wm. Matthews, seconded by Mr. H. W. Thorn, and dilly carried, the meeting ended with the singing of the National Anthem, Gomerydd taking the lead. TREMEIRCHION. On Friday evening last, a meeting of the Electors of this part of Flintshire was held at the National School, to support the candidature of the Hon. H. Ll. Mostyn, the Conservative candidate for the County. There was a large and enthusiastic attend- ance. Captain Salusbury, occupied the chair, and there were also present-Mr. Pennant (the Conserva- tive Candidate for the Flint Boroughs), Major Mesham, Mr. Morgan, Dr. Davies, Mr. Humphreys, the Revs. E. Jones, Caerwys, L. E. Davies, Tre- meirchion, J. Davies, Bodfary, Messrs. Roberts, Jones, Mann, Evans, &c. The ladies included the Misses Pennant (3), the Hon. Mrs. Mostyn, Mrs. Morgan, Mrs. Salusbury, Mrs. Tulloch, Miss Oldfield, Miss Mann, Miss Browne, Mrs. Roberts, Mrs. Lloyd, and others. The Chairman, in very brief but happy terms introduced the candidate, who was received with great and enthusiastic cheering, and cries of Mostyn am byth. The hon. gentleman's remarks were to the point, and he carried his audience with him when appealing to them to up- hold our old and grand institutions as well as our constitution. Tremendous cheering hailed Mr. Pennant when he stood up to propose the first resolution. It is not to be wondered at that Mr. Pennant should meet with such a reception, whea it is remembered that he is the squire of the parish, and so popular amongst all his neighbours. The resolu- tion was in favour of Mr. Mostyn's candidature, and was supported in a stirring Welsh speech by Dr. Davies, of Caerwys, and carried unanimously. A vote of confidence in Lord Salisbury's Government, and condemnation of Mr. Gladstone's home and foreign poliey was proposed by Major Mesham, who was loudly cheered during his remarks. This was seconded and supported by Mr. Humphreys, Rhyl, and the Rev. E. Jones, rector of Caerwys, both gentlemen speaking in Welsh, and we need not say that the Welsh fire brought the house down." They dealt chiefly upon finance, and the enormous increase in the expenditure, and consequently in the taxation of the country, and calling upon all to make the utmost exertions to send up to Parliament men who would try to remedy this, and who were adherents of the loyal and patriotic party. A vote of thanks to the chairman, proposed by Mr. Pennant, and seconded by Mr. Mostyn, was carried amid deafening cheers. The singing of the National Anthem brought the meeting to a close. HOLYWELL. Meetings of the Conservative party in the Holy- well Boroughs are held every Tuesday and Friday evenings at the Central Committee Rooms, Panton Place, and are exceedingly well attended. On Friday evening last, Dr. Jas. Williams, Castle Hill presided, and addresses were delivered by Messrs. H. A. Cope, C. J. Croudace, John Davies, and other gentlemen I A well-attenaed meeting of the supporters of Mr. Pennant in this district was held on Tuesday evening at the Central Conservative Committee Rooms, which was attended by the Conservative candidate, who received a most hearty welcome. Mr. H. A. Cope presided, and addresses were de- livered by several gentlemen. Mr. Robert Thomas stated that the canvas hitherto made had resulted most satisfactorily, and Mr. Pennant gave a most encouraging report of his visits to the several con- tributory boroughs. v MOLD. On Monday evening last the Town Hall Assembly Room was literally packed with the electors of the Town and district assembled to hear the political views of the Conservative County and Borough candidates, the Hon. H. Ll. Mostyn, and Mr. P. P. Pennant. The Chair was ably occupied by Mr. John Corbett, and there were also upon the platform, Mr. P. B. Davies-Cooke, J.P., Mr. P. Tatton Davies-Cooke, J.P., Mr. Hy. St. John Raikes, Mr. W. B. Marston, Mr. Chas. Marston, Mr. C. P. Morgan, Capt. A. E. Morgan, Mr. P. Lloyd Fletcher, Mr. Philips Roberts. Mr. H G. Roberts, Dr. E. Williams, and other, the following ladies also occupying seats Miss D. Lloyd Howard Mrs. and the Misses Cecil Raikes, and the Misses r Davies-Cooke. The Chairman who was loudly cheered said he had a pleasing duty to perform that of introducisg to the meeting the Conservative I candidates for the County and Borough. The name of Mostyn had long been a household word in North Wales and the name of Pennant was also niliar to them all. The universal cry in the L .osent day was a want of change in the adminis- tration of affairs and he fully concurred in the sentiment. He asked those present to give the candidates a fair hearing, and if their sentiments coincided with their own to record their votes in favour of them at the forthcoming election. The candidates, who were received with prolonged and deafening applause, then addressed the meeting upon the principal topics of the day, dwelling at length upon the subject of Free and Fair Trade demonstrating that what was at the present time designated Free" was not free, inasmuch as our exports were heavily taxed by foreign nations whereas we received the goods of other nations free of duty. Numerous questions were asked the speakers which were satisfactorily and often humorously answered. Mr. Marston proposed a vote of confidence in the candidates which was se- conded by Mr. W. P. Jones and supported by Mr. Raikes who conveyed a message from his father (the Right Hon. H. Cecil Raikes, M.P.) ex- pressing regret at his inability through indis- position to be present. A cordial vote of thanks to the Chairman was then proposed by Mr. Cooke seconded by Mr. H. G. Roberts and carried unani- mously to which Mr. Corbett suitably responded. The singing of the National Anthem then ter- minated the proceedings which were conducted throughout with the umost decorum. WHITFORD. A crowded meeting was held at the Conservative Rooms, Whitford, on Monday night, of the sup- porters of the Hon. H. Ll. Mostyn, the Conserva- tive candidate for the County of Flint. Mr. Pickering presided, and very encouraging reports vere received from various parts as to the favour with which Mr. Mostyn's candidature was being generally received. CONSERVATIVE MEETING AT BAGILLT. A crowded meeting was held on Wednesday evening, at the Bagillt Cocoa-house Assembly- room, to support the claims of Mr. P. P. Pennant, as the Conservative candidate for the representation of the Flintshire Boroughs. Mr. F. Walker (Messrs. Walker, Parker and Company, Dee Bank), presided, and he was supported by Mr. John Henry, J.P., Mr. H. St. John Raikes, Mr. C. J. Croudace, Mr. Wm. Pierce, Mi. W. T. Pierce, Mr. Leigh Howell, Mr. Thomas Hughes, Captain James, Mr. S. Howell, Mr. Grierson, Mr. T. Redfern, Mr. Robt. Thomas, Mr. J. W. M. Evaus, Mr, H. Askew, Mr. A. Humphreys, Mr. T. W. Hughes, Mr. Isaac Hughes, &c., and a large number of ladies also occupied seats on the platform. Some disturbance was made by a knot of people of adverse views in the rear of the hall, but the crowded state of the room and its approaches showed the desire of the voters to hear the views of the Conservative candi- date. The Chairman expressed the great pleasure he ex- perienced in being present to support the candidature of Mr. Pennant. The great question of the day appeared to be Fair Trade and Free Trade, and person- ally he was in favour of Fair Trade (hear, hear). He certainly thought that it was not fair to this country that manufactured articles should be impor- ted into this country duty free, and then sold at a cheaper price than they could make them for. Some people called him a fool for holding those opinions, but it was all very well for persons who had fixed and settled incomes to say so, but what was the use of telling the workingman that he obtained his goods cheaper under Free Trade if the very work- ing out of the principle prevented his having the money to buy the goods with (applause). He ad- vocated the imposition of a tax on manufactured articles imported into this country, and said that if they went on as at present importing goods free of duty, they would eventually have no manufactories in this country, and what would become of the work- ing-man ? (hear, hear). He exposed the fallacy of the three acres and a cow" doctrine, and said he hoped that at the end of the poll for the Flintshire Boroughs they would all be able to say Pennant am byth (applause). Mr. Pennant, who received a cordial welcome, said the Chairman had remarked that he was in favor of Fair Trade, and he (Mr. P.) was also in favor of it, but further, he was in favor of Free Trade—(hear, hear) —provided they had the genuine article and not a sham (applause). If anyone said they had Free Trade now, he would reply that they had only a sham Free Trade and not the genuine thing (hear, hear). Trade consisted of the interchange of com- modities between one country and another, and in England they had free imports, but that was only half Free Trade. He thoroughly believed that Free Trade was good for a country; he had been educated in that view, and his opinion was confirmed by the authorities he had studied on the point, but the question they had to consider, and which they would have to answer was this :—Is half Free Trade good ? ("No, no.") When the late Government was in power many Chambers of Agriculture and Commerce asked that a Commibsion should be appointed to in- quire into the question of the depression of trade which exists at the present time, but they replied that they would not do so as it may seem to be casting a slur on a system which was adopted many years ago. He maintained that the appointment of a Royal Commission immediately on the Conservatives coming into power, was a right and proper course to adopt, and he anticipated satisfactory results from their labours. When the system of free imports was first adopted in this country the manufacturing interests of the world were in our hands, but since then other countries had become themselves manufacturers, and by receiving their goods into our country duty free we were injuring our own industries (hear, hear). In proof of the impartiality with which the Commission was appointed, he showed that the two first persons asked to join it were Liberals (Mr. Goschen and Mr. Shaw Lefevre), but they declined the offer, and as show- ing the good work it was at present doing, he quoted the opinion of Mr. Palmer, chairman of the Newcastle-on-Tyne Chamber of Commerce, and a member for one of the divisions of Durham, himself a .Liberal and a member of the Commission, who said that he believed that a good deal of good would result from its labours (hear, hear). He sho wed how a good deal of trade and commerce was slipping out of this country owing to the advantages other countries possessed over us on the question of our free imports, whilsr at their ports an import tax was levied on our goods. That was shewn in the experience of a gentleman (Mr. Maciarlane) who recently came over from Canada to buy, among other things, white lead. When he came to Liverpool, he found to his astonishment that whilst English white lead cost L16 a ton, he could buy German white lead in Liverpool for 115 a ton. It was his duty, acting as an agent, to buy the cheapest he could, and he thought that if he could buy German white lead in England for £ 15 a ton, he could buy it still cheaper if he went over to Ger- many. He accordingly went there, and to his sur- prise he found that German white lead in Germany (although sold cheaper in England), was there actually dearer than English white lead in Liverpool! The explanation of it was this-The Germans took care not to put too much white lead on the German market, and so were able to keep up thj price there. But then, how were they to keep down the supply in Germany and so keep up the prices ? This was the answer, they had an open market in England, and if they sold the article at only cost price in England, they were able to keep up the prices in Germany and so make their profits. So it was in America and other countries, and by the English having an open market, foreign nations were able—if he may use a word which was not not altogether parliamentary— to "diddle" them in that way, and so slowly, but surely, our position as a mercantile people was slipping away from us (hear, hear). That being so, he thought it high time that an inquiry should be made, and he hoped that all who had the interest of their trade and manufactures at heart would do all they could to assist the inquiry which was now going on. He did not say that the late Government caused the depression in trade, but he maintained that they had aggravated it; if they had conducted the affairs of the nation in the best way, they would still have had depression, but not to the same degree as we were now experiencing (hear, hear). He referred to the neglect and coldness shown towards our colonies and dependencies by the late Government, and the instability and vaccilation of their policy, as instanced by their conduct of affairs in Egypt. In conclusion he said that if they should do him the honour to elect him as their representative, they may be sure of this one fact, that so far as his health and strength permitted, he should place him- self at their service (applause). Mr W. T. Pierce proposed and Captain James seconded a vote ox confidence in Lord Salisbury's Ministry, and it was supported by Mr. Croudace, in a pointed add telling speech, and also by Mr. Wilson Cox and Mr. H. St. J. Raikes. The Chair- man declared it carried. Mr. W. Pierce proposed a vote ef confidence in Mr. Pennant, which was seconded by Mr. Leigh Howell. Mr. Humphreys, of Rhyl, in a telling Welsh speech advocated the Conservative cause generally, and his stirring eloquence enraptured his hearers. After thanks had been accorded the Chairman, on the motion of Mr. Pennant, seconded by Mr, Henry, the proceedings cloded with the singing of the National Anthem. PENYMYNYDD. On Monday evening, Mr. W. H. Gladstone, M.P., addressed a meeting of electors at Penymyn- ydd, near Mold, in support of the candidature of Lord Richard Grosvenor. Mr. Wm. Johnson pre- sided, and resolutions expressing confidence in the Liberal administration and in the Liberal candidate were carried. BRYNFORD. A meeting in furtherance of the candidature of Lord Richard Grosvenor for the representation of Flintshire, was held at Brynford National Schools on Monday evening, under the presidency of Mr. Owen Jones, Holywell. There was a numerous attendance. Resolutions in favor of the Liberal party, and pledg- ing a renewal of confidence and support in Lord Richard Grosvenor, were passed, although from a number of questions asked at the close of the meeting it was evident that some diversity of opinion existed. The propositions were advanced, seconded and sup- ported by the Rev. David Oliver, Mr. Peter Hughes, Penypylle, Mr. Owen Owens, Brynford Hall, Mr. Jas. Jones, Penyball, and Mr. Robert Jones, Holywell. LIBERAL MEETINGS. On Monday a public medi-.g was held in St. Asaph in support of the Liberal candidates, when the Rev. W. Glanffrwd Thomas, one of the vicars of St. Asaph, spoke in favour of their candidature.— On Tuesday evening, Lord Richard Grosvenor addressed a meeting at Northop, over which Mr. J. Scott Bankes presided, and on Wednesday his lord- ship addressed meetings at Bodfary and Mostyn. BAGILLT. Mr. John Roberts, M.P., addressed a meeting of his supporters at Bagillt on Saturday afternoon. Mr. A. O. Walker, presided, and he was supported by Mr. John Roberts, M.P., Mr. J. Herbert Roberts, Mr. J. Scott Bankes, Rev. David Oliver, Rev. E. Lloyd Jones (Rhyl). Resolutions were passed expressing confidence in the Liberal party, and a determination to again return Mr. Roberts as the representative of the Flintshire Boroughs. The Chairman referred to the impression which had gained ground, that if a small duty was put on lead the mines which were now standing would at once go up. This on the face of it looked a very simple matter, but it must be inquired into further. If a duty was put on lead in its raw state a duty would also have to be put oa pig-lead, litharge, and also upon lead in all its various forms. Of course this system would be all very well for the first year or so until the stock in hand at the time of imposi- tion was exhausted, but afterwards the exports of this country would diminish in consequence of the duty, which would put this country in such a state as would effectually prevent them competing with the manufacturers of Germany and other Continental countries. Putting it at a very low computation, 2.3 per cent. of the lead manufactured in this country was exported, and this, of course, would cause 25 per cent, of a decrease in the manufacture of this country. Would the workingmen be gainers under this head ? Chemical manufacturers, cotton spinners, and all other trades would also go in for protection if protection was allowed for the protec- tion of one branch of trade.—Mr. J. Scott Bankes supported the motion of confidence in the late Liberal Ministry in a speech, in the course of which he said he believed that the House of Lords wanted a tremendous lot of reform, for what was the use of having an increased electorate if the governing power was not reformed. The moderate Liberals did not need to fear the glut of Radical opinion which was prophesied by the Conservatives and their Press. They must remember that Mr. Bright, a few years ago, was considered the scapegoat of the Liberal party, in the same degree as Mr. Chamberlain is now. They did not think Mr. Bright an extreme man or a revolutionist. He was a vigorous old man in a green old age, and he hoped he might live long to give his counsel to the rulers of the nation. The Rev. E. Lloyd Jones, Rhyl, was also one of the speakers, and in the course of his address, he took exception to some remarks which had fallen from Mr. Bankes. Mr. John Roberts, M.P., speaking in response to a resolution of thanks to the Liberal members for their past services, said he was glad to find himself once more at Bagillt, and was sorry Lord Richard Grosvenor was not then present, but he could tell them that if not fighting his battle in Flintshire, he was busy in London doing the work of the Liberal party. He felt certain they would give him their support, and vote for him in the future as in the past; although he had been told he would not do so well here and there as before, he was certain that Bagillt would remain faithful as always. He came before them professing the same principles as before, serving the same great chief, and belonging to the same great party, and on those grounds he came be- fore them asking for their votes. His opponent had been going about recommending Fair Trade. They had had enough of that fallacy, and he thought it would be useless for him to enter upon the subject. There was no doubt that they were suffering from depression of trade, but they must find their remedy in a readjustment of the farmer's rents, and then they might hope for a return of the good old times. Lord Salisbury had appointed a Royal Commission to inquire into the cause of the depression, and he complained about the Liberals refusing to join him in it. They (the Liberals) knew it was no use, for the cause of the depression was known. Lord Salisbury seemed to have made up his mind as to the remedy already, defore the Commission had almost commenced, and that remedy was Fair Trade. They had already two men in the House of Commons who represented the labour interests whom he was proud to call friends-Mr. Burt and Mr. Broadhurst. He only wished they had more men of that class in the house, There were many questions which must come under the notice of the House of Commons to which Mr. Gladstone had referred in his manifesto, and he was perfectly satisfied with the order in which he had placed them.
Correspondence.
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TO OUR CORRESPONDENT.
TO OUR CORRESPONDENT. E.M.E.—Your letter shall appear next week. E.D.-The letter is libellous; we cannot insert it in its present form. To the Editor of the 11 Flintshire Observer." CHARITIES AND THE ELECTIONS, SIR, -M y attention is called to the capital made at Radical political meetings out of my late actions in referring1 to the Holywell Parish Charities, that it is proper to take these and other charities in Wales for educational purposes. Please permit me to state that my said actions were solely to main- tain the sacredness of the Wilis of the several Benefactors, and to protect them I would consider it a national sin to rob the poor of Wales of what has been left for their benefit for ever. Parliament, )ears ago, was impressed with this, for it appointed, Commissioners of Charity to investigate and protect the charities throughout the United Kingdom Mr* Osbome Morgan, M.P., is one of these Commissioners, and receives a salary of JE1 '00 a year. His speeches indicate that he is liberal with the Disestablishment of the Church in Wales Is he prepared to give up his appointment and salary? Does he speak in favour of robbing the poor of Wales of their charities and give them towards Intermediate Education-the education of those who can afford to pay I I sometimes think this education cry is only another pick and shovel" to undermine the Church of England, seeing that nearly all the charities are distributed by the clergy and churchwardens, hoping that ministers of all denomina- tions" may obtain "religious equality "-a share of the SPOil-and disestablish one to establish another establish- ment." Will it be a better establishment seeing that robbing the poor of these charities is its foundation ? The next generation in Wales may be infidels may they not if we allow this precedent, disestablish Christianity, confiscate its property, and erect Temples to the Goddess of Reason Greenfield. THOS. HUGHES. a
ELECTIONEERING "SOPS."
ELECTIONEERING "SOPS." To the Editor of the "Flintshire Observer DEAR SIB,—I am told that at the Liberal meet- ing on the 28th ult., one of the speakers, the Rev. D. Oliver, in setting forth the merits [?] of the pro- posed "Intermediate Education for Wales" Bill, put it in such a way as to lead his hearers to infer that the Holywell Church charities were misappro- priated,—that the Poor did not receive the full benefit of them. If Mr. Oliver spoke from ignorance of the sub- ject, allow me to put him right. The Poor receive, and always have received every penny of these Charities, and if the distributors happened to be wicked enough to attempt to mis- appropriate them, they could not do so. The accounts are most accurately and systematically kept, aud are, with every voucher produced for inspection and examination at every Easter Vestry. A copy of them is also regularly sent up to the Charity Commissioners who know all the details of the Charities, quite as well as, or better than the Trustees do. If the Churchwarden, who sat on the platform on this occasion, complacently listening to Mr. Oliver's speech, as I am told was the case, had had the manliness to correct the speaker, there would have been no need for my troubling you with this letter.—Yours truly, Holywell. EX-CHUECHWAEDEN. To tlte Editor of tile" Flintthire Observer." DEAR SIB.-It does not augur well for the pros- pects of a party when they find it necessary to en- deavour to further their cause by attributing to their leading opponents, intentions by which they are not actuated, and crediting them with views which they have not expressed. This has been the case in the Flintshire elections. Mr. Pennant has been accused of desiring to tax the food of the people, and of wishing to extend their hours of labour, but both these accusations he has promptly and effectually repelled. Mr. Raikes is also charged with having at Holywell, described the Radical party as cannibals." This is another instance of the facility with which some persons can twist words and phrases to suit their own and party purposes. What the right hon. gentleman actually said was that a policy which was directed against individuals, was not a Liberal nor a Radical policy, but a canni- bal policy.—Yours obediently, Nov. 11th, 1885. TRUTH. I- To the Editor of the" Flints/lire Obserrer." Siit,-In view of the fact that over 500 candidates have pledged themselves to Disestablishment, in- cluding one of the candidates for the Flintshire boroughs, it may not be amiss that the public should have before them the real meaning cf the phrase," religious equality," as used by Mr. John Roberts and his friends. My statements are taken from a little book pub- lished under the authority of the Liberation Society itself, which is entitled The Case for Disestablish- ment." Briefly stated, the proposals for Dises- tablishment are as follows:- I. All buildings and all endowments, whether ancient or modern, are to be regarded as the pro- perty of the State (p. 178). 2. Cathedrals, Abbeys, &c., are to be under national control and to be maintained for such uses as Parliament shall direct (p. 178). 3. All churches built before 1818 should be vested in a parochial board, to be elected by the ratepayers which board should have power to deal with them for the general benefit of the ratepayers, iu such ways as it may determine. The power of sale shall also be given (p. 179). 4. Churches built after that date to become the property of the congregation (p. 179). o. All parsonages are to be treated in the same way as churches (p. 179). This would, on the Liberation Society's own estimate, deprive the church of 12,000 churches (p. 179), and Y,9,000,000 per year (p. 65). The effect of it in Holywell would be that not- withstanding the recent restoration, costing over X2,000, the church would be taken from the con- gregation worshipping in it, and handed over to a committee elected like a local board, who would have absolute power to turn it into a Hall of Science, a Theatre, a Public-house, or any other of the thousand and one uuworthy objects that would please the malice of the Liberationist party. It is idle to object that such will not be the case it may not be so in Holywell certainly (although there the church will be used for secular purposes), but in many places, nay, in the majority of places where .the Dissenters hold sway the result will be as above stated. As the Bishop of Peterborough well re- marked "They (the Nonconformist element of the Liberation Society) may make very sure that the infidel portion of the Society are not going to help them into our cathedrals and then let them shut the door in their faces." If it be granted that a dis- senting minister has any right to use a church pulpit, then Mr. Bradlaugh has exactly the same right; and we may be quite sure that he will both claim it and have it granted for if the church can- not discriminate between one religion and another, neither can it do so between religion and no religion. And now the question arises who will gain any- thing by it? Not the landlord: no one speaks of sharing the profits with him not the farmer the tithe will have to be paid exactly the same after disestablishment as before not the workingman: for the money is (so says Mr. Chamberlain) to be used to -meet the in- creased cost of carrying on the universal board schools which are to supplant the voluntary schools, which are doing as good work except that they are also teaching Christianity. Briefly put, the whole scheme is this The Church is to be robbed that the proceeds may be spent in banishing the Bible from the Day Schools of the Country. And now I should like to ask a question for one of Mr. Roberts' allies to answer me :-Is there any Act of Parliament instituting the payment of tithe ? And if so, why has it not been produced before now ? And if not, how can the State rightly take away what it did not give ? It perhaps may not be generally known that for 130 years, from 1722 to 1852, a sum of money was annually voted by Parliament for necessitous Dis- senting ministers. Trusting some one with an abler pen may take up the question.—I am, sir, yours respectfully, ONE WHO LIKES TO CALL A SPADE A SPADE.
PARLIAMENTARY GENERAL ELECTIONS.
PARLIAMENTARY GENERAL ELECTIONS. To the Editor of the Flintshire Observer/' SIR,-Noticiug your valuable and interesting columns are open to," A Disgusted Liberal -Afr W. M. Hutchings, of Messrs. Walker, Parker and Co.'s, Dee Bank Lead Works, I venture to believe that you will not deny me this opportunity to con- vey my warmest greeting to your electors —notwith- standing I should be only an ordinary sort of Liberal. Being a constant reader of your excellent journal for upwards of twenty years, I should claim to have derived some little knowledge of your electorate, and how they aro likely to vote-partioularly the Free and Independent Electors of the locality your correspondent, Mr. Hutchings, claims to be ad- dressing. While I had my start and made my footing m life in the smelting industry in Bagillt, I gained a knowledge of the employers and workpeople, and possess of both masters and men the best and hap- piest recollections. People will get disgusted at times with everything, everybody, and themselves. Our liberal friend, Mr. Hutchings, is disgusted with Mr. Gladstone and with Mr. John Roberts. Well, I for one would be glad to hear when he is better and the Liberal Association of Bagillt, I think, is to blame for not allowing Mr. Hutchings what everybody take when they have felt that way out of sorts—a rest. There is no good in any man when he is disgusted until he is better again. Mr. Hutchings at the present time, for instance, fancies evil of everybody, of the Liberal party, and of the Conservative party; "but anyhow," he says he will go and vote for evil just this election, "perhaps only as the least of two evils" for the Conservative party. Further, Mr. Hutchings says, "it would require quite a large number of nutshells to hold us "—that is to say himself, and of course somebody else no names are given, however, or one might be able to tell Mr. Hutchings whether if the owners of the names are Liberals they are kidding him or not. I would not trouble Mr. Hutchings to count how many nutshells full of Muspratts there are for one Mawdsley. Your electors would without doubt yet listen to Mr. Hutchings explain how, after his statement in your issue of Thursday last, that It would be waste of time to recapitulate the events of recent history." Mr. John Bright did that same day go in for it. A wag made it out the other day that Business is the root of all laziness Supposing Mr. Hutchings has now made it out that the legislative business of the pa.st fifty years has been so much time idled away—why should he blush P Are there not many people who, without the slightest signs of blushing, would wish that Liberal triumphs of the past were considered, just for this election, bye gones ? In the place of the events of history, Mr. Hutchings would have your readers, Mr. Editor, to take our present little affair with Burmah as their giude how to vote. I am obliged to quote correctly the place your correspondent names, but surely it must have been Brummagem he meant, and not Burmah ? For what on earth would be his motive to invite the electors of your locality to turn their faces to Burmah, while the toiling millions of our vast empire, yea, and their fellow toilers of all civilised countries were their eyes all turned to Birmingham to receive the inestimable blessing of a word of counsel from John Bright.—I am, dear Mr. Editor, yours most respectfully, T. WILLIAMS, Life Fellow of the Chemical Society, Member of the Society of Chemical Industry, &c. York Buildings, Liverpool, 10th Nov., 1885.
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4 To the Editor of the Flintiltii-e Observer." Sip.Now that Mr. Edwardes has informed me through his solioitor, of his intention to oppose any application to re- hear the case in which he obtained judgment against me, legally of course, yet on a statemtnt all his own, and more- over, intimated that in default of payment at ollce," quick execution may follow, I beg that you will be so good as to give me leave, by means of your much esteemed paper in the county, to place before your readers t-ut a mere tithe of the defence I was prepared to offer, had I only known the day and the place where the Court was held. Before giving Mr. Edwardes' own letter, it may be as well for a clearer understanding of the case, to mention one or two circumstances which led to that letter and to Mr. Edwardes giving an entertainment in my school. Some time ago, being present at an entertainment given by the Mold Amateur Christy Minstrels, I greatly admired the performance throughout. When it was over, the secretary of the troupe kindly gave me his card and said he was sure, that when my schools—then partly built—were opened, they would have great pleasure in coming over to Flint, and repeat the entertainment for the benefit of my new schools In due course, the schools were opened. Soon after, I put myself in communication with one or two I knew to be connected with the Minstrels, finally driving over there to see the secretary. A day or two passed, I got a short note from a Mr. Edwardes informing me that he and a mutual acquaintance would call on me the following Monday with a view to making arrangements for a higher .class entertainment than that given by the Minstrels. The appointed interview took place on the Monday, and with it my first introduction to Mr. Edwardes. He unfolded at his own sweet will the plan of his entertainment The Minstrels were to be left out altogether! But, they had offered their services in aid of the Schools Here was an entire change of programme! As I never was a believer in ventures, or taking leaps in the dark in my financial affairs, my main consideration was, which will be the less expensive and which bring in the greater result on behalf of the ;Ch<Lrity! When I made known my per- plexities on this head to Mr. Edwardes, both by Iword of mouth and in the following letter, his frank admission as to cost for expenses was calculated to allay the suspicions of a mind even more doubting and doubtful than my own. I am in receipt of yours of the 17th (June) I feel quite sure the entertainment I propose giving will give general satis- faction, it will be a very high class and at the same time most amusing entertainment. With regard to expenses, the only expense will be the print- ing, which I will do for you as low as possible £ 2 for the actress to perform with me, and the conveyance to take us over, f5 ought to tover the lot, and we ought certainly to have £ 15 in the room. I shall make no charge for my ser- vices and the use of my stage or anythiu I bring, and I will engage some one who can also act as pianist in the second part I suppose you will provide a piano. The Christy Minstrels would certainly cost £ 10 at the lowest, as they are such a much larger troop and have to hire so many things." Now, honestly, is there one of your readers, if he had such an assurance as to cost £5 would not be somewhat ruffled in temper if he got a nice little note next day for ilO lCs, And the man who politely desires immediate payment, be- cause he does not chrc to have such small accounts outstand- ing, actually more engages himself, than he is engaged by me Moreover, he never brought his stage, and over £ 6 had to be spent in providing one. Th e some one engaged to act as pianist in the second part is the same as acts in the first. I never asked Mr. Edwardes over from Mold On several occa- sions, and especially on one, I gave him to understand that I would faithfully carry out any instructions be chose to send or leave with me. I was no novice in the work of erecting a stage Each time he came to Flint, I treated him as well as I could. or any friend he brought with him He came over to Flint at his own free will, and freely he departed. He never consulted me as to the size colour of the programmes, bills, tickets, or posters. The only thing my opinion was asked on, was the number of tickets likely to be required I ordered for my house some felt papei, andJúO circulars beg- ging subscriptions towards my new schools; these two items had nothing to do with the original contract; the order for them was distinct and separate The solicitor I engaged, and through an oversight, missed the day for hearing the cause, can bear evidence as to my instructions on those points before process was even entered.—Yours faithfully, EDW. BYRNE.
FLINT.
FLINT. THE ELECTION OF MAYOE.—On the fact being known that Alderman Alfred Dyson had been re- elected Mayor of the Borough of Flint, a merry peal was rung on the bells at the Parish Church, and a flag was hoisted on the Town Hall. PRESENT AT ATI ONt.—On Friday night at the usual entertainment given at the Young Men's Christian Association Rooms, Rhyl, Mr. D. J. Davies, late master of the Rhyl National Schools, and Mrs. Davies (who have recently removed to Flint), were presented with an illuminated address and a purse of gold, in testimony of the high regard they were held in Rhyl, and for their ready help in all move- ments of a public character which they had ren- dered during their residence in the town. The chair was occupied by the Rev. T. Pritchard, who made the presentation, after which an excellent programme was gone through, the evening's pro- ceedings being of a most enjoyable character. ANNUAL COUNCIL MEETING. The annual meeting of the Town Council was held at noon on Monday last, when there were present—Alderman Dyson (retiring Mayor), Alder- man J. L. Muspratt (deputy-mayor), Alderman P. A. Mawdsley, Councillors S. K. Muspratt, E. J. Hughes, M. P. Jones, T. W. Hughes, 1. P. Davies, T. Parry, R. W. Bowen, S. T. Edwards, Richard Davies, Richard Evans, Robert Jones, and Joseph Hall, junior.—Alderman Huntley was the only member of the Council absent, and he was excused attendance owing to another engagement, There were also present-Mr. Henry Taylor (Town Clerk), Mr. Hugh Owen (Borough Surveyor), Mr. W. E. Bithell (Inspector), and Mr. Thos. Ward (Sergeant at Mace). THE ELECTION OF MAYOR. Alderman Mawdsley proposed in eulogistic terms, the re-election of Alderman Dyson at mayor of the borough. The motion was seconded by Councillor Hall, and was unanimously carried.—The newly- elected Mayor having been invested with the chain of office, and having made the usual declaration, thanked the Council for the kind expressions it had been pleased to make respecting him, and for the hearty manner in which they had appre- ciated what little work he had done. He thoroughly appreciated the kind words that had been made use of respecting him, and he hoped they would take what had been said as an earnest that he would endeavour to carry out the work of the Council in the present year to their satis- faction. If they would allow him, he would ask them all, as aldermen and councillors, to give him their assistance in carrying out the business which would be brought before them. During past years the work of the borough had been carried on in an efficient manner, and that was not to be wondered at when they remembered the kindness, consideration and courtesy which had been shown by those who had now passed away, and who had preceded him in the chair which he had then the honour of occupying (hear, hear). He could only ask them to extend to him, oollectively aud individually, that kindness and support which had been accorded his predecessors. There were no doubt many matters which would come before them for consideration in the coining year, but there was one point which he would impress upon them. There were, unquestionably, many things yet to be done for the improvement of Flint, but they should bear in mind that they would all cost money, and he suggested that they should keep theul back as far as possible. The rates were already quite high enough, but yet he hoped to see that grand scheme, initiated by their latQ respected mayor (Alderman Richard Muspratt) fully carried out and working to the satisfaction of all (hear, hear). The" loving cup" was then handed round, and the Mayor s health was pledged, he being at the same time congratulated by the Town Clerk, on his occupying the civic chair on the jubilee year of Queen Victoria's accession to the Throne. Councillor S. K. Aluspratt proposed a vote of thanks to the Mayor for his services during thy past year. He said that in his past career, Alder- man Dyson had always shown the greatest effioience and courtesy and a strict desire to do justice to all He remembered that at the last two elections for the representation of the Boroughs of Flint AI-dermiia Dyson received the thanks of both parties' for having acted so justly and so fairly, and he re- rembered also that at the first dedivu-which was considered to be a somewhat close race-the Mayor was very anxious to do his duty fairly, and to giv, satisfaction to all parties. Judging by his past conduct he was sure the Mayor, following the same path, would again endeavour to do his duty honestly, fairly, and efficiently (hear, hear). Councillor Hall seconded the motion, and said that during the twelve years Alderman Dyson had been deputy- mayor, he had rendered admirable services to the Borough. The motion was unanimously carried, and it was duly acknowledged. DEFLTTY-IUTOR. The Mayor again nominated Alderman J. L. Muspratt, as deputy mayor, and he made the necessary declaration before taking his seat. RECENT ELECTIONS. The Town Clerk reported that Mr. T. W. Hughes, solicitor, had been elected unopposed as a councillor in the place of Mr. J. L. Muspratt, who had been created an alderman. The follow ing gentlemen were returned members of the Council at the election held on the 2nd instant: Messrs. S. K. Muspratt, R. W. Bowen, Richard Davies, and M. P. Jones. THE LATE MAYOR. The Town Clerk read the following letter he had received from Mrs Muspratt acknowledging the vote of condolence passed by the Council on the death of the late Mayor (Aldermau Richard Muspratt „ Trelawny House, Sept. 28,1835. MT DEAR SIR, Will you kindly convey to the members of the Corporation, my own and my children's warmest thanks for the kind hearted sympathy shewn in the resolution passed at their last meetine-. Words are powerless to express the deep feelings with which we have received these tokens of the loving respect in which my lat- husband their father mi held. With our united kindest regards, believe me, Dear Sir, Very trulv vours, „ JANE MUSPRATT. Henry Taylor, Esq., Town Clerk. FUTURE MEETINGS. On the motion of Councillor T. W. Hughes, secon- ded by Councillor M. P. Jones, it was resolved that the meetings of the Council should be held on the first Thursdays in February, May and August, 1886, and the statutory meeting on the 9th November. COMMITTEES. Councillors R. Davies. M. P. Jones, and T. W. Hughes were appointed members of the School Attendance Committee, and the whole Council were constituted members of the several other committees. STANDING ORDERS. Othe proposition of Councillor Joseph Hall, the s landing orders of the Council were confirmed rum. con. REGISTRATION. The Town Clerk submitted the account of expenses incurred in the recent Parliamentary registration of voters, which will be borne rateably by tho several contributory boroughs.-The account was unani- mously passed, on tne motion of the Deputy-Mayor. AN APPOINTMENT. Mr. R. Price, M.R.C.V.S., was appointed veterin- ary inspector of the Borough, under the Contagious Diseases (Animals) Act, in succession to the late Mr. Owen. A DIVISION. An application was received from Mr. J. Owen, for a license to erect a slaughter-house in Church-street. The matter had previously received the attention of the Health Committee, by whom it was referred to the decision of the Council. A petition signed by the Revs. W. P. James, J. George, Edward Byrne, and Mr. Graham Mcintosh, against the granting of the license for the premises on the site proposed, was read.—After some discussion Councillor T. W. Hughes moved, and Councillor Hall seconded that the license applied for be granted. Councillor 1. P. Davies moved, and Councillor E. J. Hughes seconded an amendment that the license be not granted, and the latter was carried by a majority of two, five voting for and seven against the motion. VARIOUS MATTERS. Councillors 1. P. Davies and Richard Evans called attention to several matters with reference to road repairs near the Red Houses, and the destruction of a wall near the Plough. With respect to the former matter, the road was said to be a public one up to the point which had been repaired and the Surveyor said he had written to the owners of the wall in question. APPOINTMENT OF BOROUGH MAGISTRATES. Councillor T. W. Hughes said he understood that there was to be an increase of Borough Magistrates, and he wished to know who referred the names to the Lord Chancellor.—The Town Clerk said that was a matter entirely for the Lord Chancellor, who had his own means of obtaining the names.—Councillor T. W. Hughes maintained that the Borough Bench was the creature of that Council, and that the list of names should be submitted to the Lord Chancellor by the Council.- The Town Clerk said the matter was one entirely for the Lord Chancellor. He was not aware of any instance where the Town Council interfered in the matter.—Councillor Hughes said that it had been done in Chester.—The Town Clerk believed Mr. Hughes had been entirely misinformed on that point.—Councillor Hughes said he had taken some little trouble to investigate the matter, and he found the books stated that the submitting of the names rested with the Council.—The Town Clerk asked what books Mr. Hughps referred to ?-Councillor Hughes said he could not then refer to the authorities. Councillor S. K. Muspratt said some names were submitted by the Bootle Town Council, but cot one of those so sub- mitted was approved of by the Lord Chancellor. —The Town Clerk said he had taken the trouble to look up the records of the Council since 1836, and he did not find that since then the Council had ever interfered in the creation of magistrates. Of course it was quite competent for the Council to pass any resolution or to petition the Lord Chancellor on the matter, and it was also quite competent for the Lord Chancellor, as some of his predecessors had done, to reply in terms which were tantamount to mind your own business."—Councillor Hughes gave notice that he would on the first opportunity propose that b. list be submitted by the Town Council to the Lord Chancellor. SATISFACTORY WORK. Alderman Mawdsley asked when the Pentre-road would be completed, and the Surveyor replied that the road was now left to consolidate, and the question of its completion rested with the contractor. Alderman Muspratt said that an exceedingly good job was being done there, and the work was the greatest improvement the Council had undertaken for many years.
- TICKETINGS FOR LEAD ORE.
TICKETINGS FOR LEAD ORE. AT THE KING'S HEAD HOTEL, HOLYWELL, November 12th, 1886. Mine T per ton Purchasers." North Hendre. 20 8 1 0 Walker, Parker & Co. Ehosesmor 50.. 8 3 6 Do. Halkyn Mines 40 8 1 6 Do. Bryngwiog 10 8 5 6 Do. West Trelogan 20 8 7 6 Adam Eyton & Son
Family Notices
Births 3rd inst., at Llys Helyg, Llanfairfechan, the wife of Mr. J. E. Jones, Sunnyside, Deganwy, of a daughter. 4th inst., at Pont-y-Mwynwr, Mold, the wife of Henry John Putts, of a daughter. 5th inst., at Ty'n Rhyl, 0 the wife of Ll. Lloyd, Esq., of a daughter. J 6th inst., the wife of Mr. John Edwards, 21. Aquarium-street, Rhyl, of a daughter. fJSlin8t;Nth* of Mr- David Williams (wheelwright), The Bank, Greenfield, near Holy- well, of a daughter. Marriages. t v the Register Office, Holywell, Mr. John Richard Roberts, Trevor, near Holywell, to Miss Margaret Jones, Chapel Walk, Mostyn. Deaths. 31st ult., at the Vicarage, Trofarth, Abergele, the Rev. T. Evans Jones, M.A. 5th inst., at Tattum's-row, Bagillt, the beloved wife of Mr. William Tattum, aged 72 years. 5th inst., at the Walk, Bagillt, Emma Roberts, aged 61 years. » 6th inst., at Pwll Highbrook, Whitford, Robert Stephen, son of Mr. Robert Hughes, joiuer, aged 5 weeks. 7th inst., very suddenly, Miss Jones, Tower Gardens, Holywell, aged 62 years. 8th inst., at Halendy, Mostyn, Mr. Joseph Roberts, aged 27 yeirs. 9th ingl., -it Peutre, Bagillt, Mrs. Elizabeth Jones, relict of tlic late Mr. John J one, bricklayer, Bagillt, in her 7i)th year—Deeply regretted. 10th inst., at Peuvbont, Bagillt, the beloved child of Mr. Edward Hopkins, aged 13 months.
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4 THE Dt,mr,pr.%K. -The daughter of Mr. James RHatcberS Ciuir View, Inverell. NSW., Australia, was for monthy unable to speak from cold. Her case was given up bt physicians, aud her father writeB that one application of Bt Jacobs Oil restored her speech.