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liVELY COUNCIL SCENESjg CARNARVON" AND THE PIROPOSi^ NEW SCHOOL. .LOAN OF £60(;0 TO BE APPLIED FOR. .\tiat-t?rs relating to the proposed higher standard schooj for Carnarvon > were dis- cusr-ed at length at Thursday's meetings of the Education Author n-y 'and the County Council. The Building Coirmnrtee- of the Education Authority recommended that the area to be acquired for tihe purpose of erecting the school be as near as possible to 15 acres, and that tihe County Council be asked to sanction an aiplication to the Local Govern- ment Boa.rd for permission to borrow a total eum not exceeding J5t)000 or thereabout. It was also recommended that all possible information, be obtained with regard to the sites: (a) South road (left); (b) South road aright): (c) opposite QueMyn; (d) Vicarage field; Ie) Cae Hampton; (I;) Bethel road; (n) top of Victoria road. Mr J. Evan Roberts failed to see how the sro-commiltitee coad apiply for a loan when the ia-nd had not been obtained. He sug- gfstco that the matter should be left in abeyance until the price of the land had been. settled upon. Mr D. P. Williams (chairman) explained that the Town Council of Carnarvon was anxious that tlhe building should be pro- ceeded with as soon as possible so .as to miligate unemployment. Mr Issiard Davies said that not a single irapresenitaltive from the surrounding dis- irIctswbtønded the inquiry, and yet those districts wouild be called uipon to contri- Lute. People were apt to think that since the locale of the school was at Carnarvon it belonged entirely to the town. In select- ing the saites the commitroee should take into consideration the price. The Bfthel road site was in bis offer, and this was 3s 6d per square yard under thie next offer. Eie thought it was only fair that the price of the land should be appended to each offer. The school was going to be a training scihool for 'the Bangor Normal College. Tne Secretary explained tlhat it would be rather unwise to publish the price of the land in view of the fact that negotiations were taking pliace already. At the recent •inquiry the representatives were given to luncierstand that the probable cost- would b* £6COO, including the site. Mr Issard Davies: That calculation has been based on the price at which my land is offered. How wild that work out on the basis of 5s or 6s per square yapd, the prices asked for in respect of other sates ? It would make a difference of albout £1000. Mr' J. R. Pritchard maintained that a central site Should be secured. Tlhe school sfibjiild licit, be eredted near the (County School, as would be the case if the Bethel Ttoad slite iwere selected. There was no doubt as to the necessity of the school for the chilidinen who were educated at the ■DriT Hall were suffering great hardships, «6reciiall(\" during we winter months. The sub-committee's recommendation was adopted.. AT THE COUNTY COUNCIL. At a meeting of the County Council, Mir T W. Griffith, chairman of the Finance ■Committee, reported that at a meeting of that committee that day it was resolved to recommend the Council to apply for a loan ();f £6000. [t, was stated that accommodation would be provided for 350 children, and the land requeued would be 1! acres offered at 2s per souare yard. Mr Richard Davies explained that "a" Site would be offered at that price. Other s-iies were offered at more than 2s per square vard, and some at a smaller figure. Mr Griffith.: My information was other- wise. Mr D. P. Williams seconded the com- mittee's recommendation. Mr Richard Thomas, Carnarvon, opposed. He said that the Council were asked to borrow j36000 for the erection of a. sc'iool which. was not required, there being more than enough accommodation, in Carnarvon already. Mr J. R. Hughes said the question be- fore the Council was one of (mailed and not accommodation. Mr Richard Thorn a? proceeded to five figures a6 to accommodation, arguing 1.h:lt there was a surplus accommodation for 439 children. The education kat would be im- parted in the proposed h'giber standard school would be the same as that im- p.-rted to the higher standards m the ele- menitairtv schools, and he moved that the Education Committee be requested not to jpToteed with the erection of tibia extra school before holding a D'iblic inquiry, as the people of the town wou'd have to bear half the co-<t of the school. Mr J. R. Pritchard It has been de- eded that the school sihall be built. M> D. P. WTivIiams said that the Educa- tion Committee had consuk"d the people of Carnarvon, and they unanimously approved of the scheme. Mr Richard Thomas: Those were repre- sentatives of the Town Comic* and tho only question placed beu-5 them wss that ot site. L FLAT CONTRADICTION. Mr Richard Daws faid t; -at an inquiry was held some time ago, when the whole town was invited to attend. .\1: Richard Thcnos: I say tliat no pub- lic inquiry was held. It Lloyd Carter near, hear Mr D. P. Williams said that the Educa- tion Authority was bound to carry this scheme out. Mr Richard Thomas I should like to see that request from the Board of Education. Where is it? It has never been produced. I eum here to tell you that those people I re- present are anxious for a public inquiry. In- stead of a policy of peace, retrenchment, and reform, it seems to me that the Education Authority has adopted a policy of tyranny, oppression, and plunder (laughter)..Let- there be an inquiry and a public inquiry. Mr D. P. Williams A public inquiry has been held. Mr Richard Thomas It has not been held. Mr W. J. Parry, Bethesda We are sim- ply wasting time, Mr 'Chairman. Mr Lloyd Carter: You think so, we don't. Mr Richard Thomas We have freedom of speech. Mr W. J. Parry The matter has been settled. Mr Richard Thomas By whom? Mr Parry At a public inquiry. Mr Thomas: Mr Parry lives at Bethesda. and he knows nothing at all about Carnar- von affair*. OBJECT LESSON IN LANB VALUES. Mr J. R. Hughes I am very pleased that Mr Thomas has brought this matter forward. The Chairman: Are you going to second Mr Thomas? Mr J. R. Hughes: I will second him so that I may be allowed to go on (laughter). Five sites were offered (he continued), and he understood that his Carnarvon friends, had decided on the South Road site. That site measured 1 j acres, and belong to the L. and N.W.R. Co. Mr Evan R. Daviet said that no price had been given in respect of that offer. Mr J. R. Hughes It ia rated at 50& as agricultural land. Proceeding, Mr Hughes said the Caemawr site was rated at £7 15s per three acres as agricultural land, or acres at TIs 6d. The Cae Hampton site was rated at 54s and I5 acres of this would ost £ 1452. He was very pleased, to find Mr Issard Davies had offered 1 j acres at a fair and reasonable price—(hear, hear)—half ;i.n acre being a free gift for gardening. This land was onlv rated at 75s; for 1^ acre, for which Jie, would get £ 726 less the half acre, which he wou d present to the town. Mr J. R. I: "ches proceeded to discuss the last site whc" Mr H. C. Vincent rose '4} a point of on:' Mr Vincent [s Mr J. R. Hughe* giving us an expo?:! ■ n on land values, or is he, discussing t. t ration? Dr Wyr.no n^ffith, Pwllheli: It is \oryi timely (laught!1':). Mr J. R. IT •' 'l'ee: Are you, Mr Vincent, interested in 'his site? The Chairman: You are not speaking to the point Mr Hughes What point do you wish? The Chairman The £ 6,000 item. Mr Hughes: That is exactly my point (laughter). Dr Wynne Griffith: I don't see why Mr Hughes should be interrupted. Mr Vincent: The only site before this Committee is the site offered by Mr Issard Davies. ("No, no.") Mr J. R. Hughes maintained that ibe Council should have some idea what was to become of the £ 6,000. Was the money to be thrown away on a particular site, when an- other site could be obtained at a. much more reasonable price? "OH! INDEED!" Mr Issard Davies said it must be borne in mind that a moiety of the £ 6,000 will be contributed by the surrounding districts of Bethel, Llanddeiniolen, etc. Mr Henry Parry: Oh, indeed I The Rev William Morgan said that a. serious allegation had been made by a Car- narvon member that no public inquiry was held in respect of the proposed school. If that was the case, then the proceedings that day were invalid, and it was illegal to bor- row money until a public inquiry had been held. They were bound to hold an inquiry in everv district that would be affected by the scheme. J ill- Richard Davies replied that, an inquiry was held about, two years ago. Mr Richard Thomas Two years ago Mr Richard Davies: Yes. A notice was sent to the managers, but no attention was paid to it. The Rev William Morgan: Surely that is not a public inquiry. Mr AJincent: Can the Secretary tell us when and where the inquiry was held and wbere was it advertised? Mr Evan R. Davies (education secretary) replied that it was not necessary to hold a public inquiry as there was no legal re- quirement. Notices of this particular in- quiry, however, were published in a news- paper, and were also sent to all school man- agers in the immediate vicinity. Notices were also sent to the Town Council, and also managers of the Church of England School. Mr Richard Thomas: The National Sch-ool. The Secretary The official designation is the Church of England School. Mr J. R. Hughe." Are they ashamed of the name? (laughter). Proceeding, the Secretary said that the managers of the Church of England School sent a. protect to the Board of Education against the proposed new school, who then forwarded a copy to the local Education Authority, and a reply was sent in. Hav- ing considered the protest and the reply <1 the Education Authority, the Board of Edu- cation decided that it was necessary to pro- vide a new school at Carnarvon with accom- modation for 320. That wa.s about two years ago. and in the meantime no further protest had been received. The inquiry was held at the Education Offices on the after- noon of a County Council meeting. Vr Vincent: Is iit not a fact that no in- quiry was held to consider the vital ques tIc.n"whetheT Carnarvon peopie were anxious to have this school or not? Are you not fo, cms upon Carnarvon a school which costs the county J36000, and that, too, knout consulting the people who apie veaiiy interested ? Ivir Heniy Parry Mr Is&rd Davies said tha* Llanddeiniolen was included in this. If that is the case we mu&t have an inquiry at Llanddeiniolen also. Mr Jones Morris: You are not bound to p<Vid your children to this scihool. Mr Parry: Then we cannot be called upon to pay. Mr Jones Morris and others No. RATEPAYERS' WISHES. Mr LJovd Carter associated himself en- tirely with what Mr Richard Thomas had said" Xo puiblic inquiry was held in the in roper sense of the word, yet the ratepayers wcuic be asked to contribute towards tne cost of tihe school1. The wishes, of the rate- payers had been entirely ignored, and they were never consulted by anybody. Mr Charles A. Jones said that the Carnar- von 'Ratepayers' Association had passed a strong resolution condemning this scheme. He would like to know why there had oceTt no acknowledgment of tho receipt of that refol ution. The Secretary explained that a notice was sent to the Ratepayers' Association with reference to the recent inquiry. Mr Charles A. Jones Is it not a fact 'that the n-otice. was sent after the alleged in- onirv was held? '=' M J. R. Pritchard The association was not in existence then. Mr Charles A. Jones The whole affair is an utter fairc.e. When representatives at- tended the last inquiry they were simply told that the whole thing had been, passed. Mr Evan R. Dairies There is no legal (necessity to hold an inouiry at all. Mr dharles Jones: The ratepayers had no opportunity to express their opinions. The whole thing has been done in a, hole- a no corner, it is nothing short of a scandal, ar.d I strongly protest most emphatically against this expenditure. M" D. P. Williams: I must protest against the remarks made by Mr Charles Jones. Tihe whole affa-ir has been carried out legally and openly, and not in a hole- iaxd-corner. Mr J. R. Pritchard; said, that members would n'olt ha-ve spoken as they had done if they had the interest of the children at heart (hear, hear,. There were people in thai meeting very similar to members of ftiiotih>er body in London..They were anxious to have the voice of the people, but the only thing they had in view was the destruction of the scheme. The Board, of Education insisted upon having more school accommodation in Carnarvon. He had re- presented the ratetpayers on this Council for a long time, amd he would see that their interests were attended, to. Mr J. R. Hughes You are an honoured rep resentative. Mr J. R. Pritchard I have been placed higher than other members at the poll when I fought mv battles. Mr Lloyd Carter Do it again if you can. SCHOOLS OVERCROWDED. Mr J. R- Pritchard Are we going to crowd the children into schools which are already overcrowded? I think they deserve better treatment, and I am quite sure that the ratepayers will not grumble when called u;bon to pay an exltra penny or two in rates. I am surprised to see Mr Vincent opposing rhe erection of this new school. He adopts different tactics at Bangor. I ara certain if this proposal came before the County Coun- cil. and hadi not been made a political question, Mr Vincent would support the scheme. LAJbout 360 'boys are crowded into the boys school, and I noticed a few days ago the foetid atmosphere of the school was not fit for children to breathe. I am sure that members of this Council would not think of sordini theirr children there. The girls' school is in the same condition. "Ytou say ttha.t the Ghufcih Schools can take those chil- di er in. Are you willing for the children of Carnarvon to be behind tlhe children of otter pllaoes? Take the National Boys* School—the boys mustt be taken to the Coun- cil School for manual instruction. The gills of the National School also have to be ia-ken to the Council School for cookery. We have been toM tha.t the represientaltiives of the town are sioealaing agjffinsb the school. T sum not surprised. That has been the history of Carnarvon whenever any public improvement has been proposed,. When Dr iWjlliams' StAool was offered to the town the boieev of the rates was raised, and the :schol'1 went to Doligellev. When we fought tc. fpvt t,hie college the same .spirit was shown, am we lost. Thev are public spirited in iBn-ngor. with Mr Vincent marching on in tfio^t. and thtflt is why the town 41, flourish- ing. As fo the fiisnrres read bv Mr Richard T.IV"T-n,,q fhiefv are 50 years old. TTe should brr:- in mind that each child detmiands Kt-ir.^h space (lanr'hit.eir). I mean 10 square wri' fm^re lia/mfjhfter). Mir P'^itrih^rd snid tihene were three chances for a Welshman, and corrected the finiTPi to three cubic feet. The Chairman: This discussion is 90 ex- c'.t/eJ that no good will come out of iit. Mr Richard Thomas You must let me fpeak. The Chairman: You have a night to re- piy. Mr Richard Thomas put 111is amendiment to the meeting, 'but the clerk observed that 't. was no amendment, as it did not refer to the JE6000 (loud laughter). Mr Lloyd Ca-ittefr Move that it be not borrowed then. The Chairman: We have come here to transact serious businesisi, atnd you behave liKe a pack of children. Mr J. R. Hughes I think I will with- draw my seconding. It was decided to apply for a loan of aON, only five members voting to the contrary.

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