Carnarvon and Denbigh Herald and North and South Wales Independent

BEAUMARIS TOWN; COUNCIL. At the monthly meeting of the town coun- cil held on Tuesday, there were present Councillor Hugh Thomas (mayor), Aldermen Wit iam Hughcs, Thomas Hughes, Councillors W. R. Jones, J. W. Jones, E. DavLson, J. Watkins, W. M. Griffith, F. Geary, Hugh Thomas, W. M. Preston. O. J. Pritchard, R. L. Jones, Messrs J. Rioe Roberts (town clerk), William Griffith (assistant town clerk), E. Thomas (surveyor), R. LI. Humphreys (treasurer). FINANCE. The treasurer's monthly summary showed a balance deficit of S125 5s 3d on the bor- ough account, and a balance in hand of £6 10s 6d on the burial board account. HIGHWAYS, &c. The surveyor submitted his monthly ac- I count of wages for work done on the high- I way, and for drainage, amounting to JE24 6s. The surveyor was also instructed to prepare I a plan and estimate for concreting the cab- stand near the Pier. 0 PIER, &c. The town clerk was ordered to demand from the master of the schooner "Busy Bee," am- ount of expenses incurred in replacing the Friars red buoy, which had been run into by him. Ib was also decided' not to grant an application for a lease of a portion of the foreshore at Townsend for the erection of a goods jetty. IMPROVEMENT. &c. It was decided to accept the design (sub- mitted by Councillor Geary) of Mr W. Spaw- ton Oailow, of Leicester, for advertising the town, and 500 copes wer ordered to be printed on royal boards, and 500 on paper. as per samples submitted. It was decided, I on the motion of Alderman Thomas Hughes, to spend j310 on residing the dials of the clock in the old parish church, exclusive of scaffdlding, which, it was understood, Mr Lawson, the contractor of the pier, had kind- If promised to put up free of cost.

a PROPOSED RAILWAY FOR CERIGY- DRUIDION.—An important conference of the Parish Councils of Cerigydruidion, Pen- machno, Yspytty, Pentrevoetas, LIangwm. and Cwmtirmynach. was held at Cerigydrtid- ion on Monday, to take steps for promoting railway communication with Cerigydruidion. Colonel Pa-rr-Lynes was voted to the chair, and Mr Williams, of Yspytty, was elected vice-chairman. A long discussion took p.ace as to the relative advantages of narrow gauge and ordinary railways, and on the molion of Dr Williams, of Penmachno, seconded by j Dr Davies, it was unanimously resolved— That we piledge ourselves to take steps to secure the construction of a light railway to Cerigydruidion but if any of the railway companies win undertake to construct a T.r«l- way from Corwen through Cerigydruidion to Bettwsvcoed we will give wav in favour of that scheme. committee was appointed, to consist of the county councillors for the district and a representative of each parish council ,/1 the cistrict, with some outsiders, Mr T. Thon-s. Tvnant, Llangwm, being ap- pointed «eoje::>.ry. °

CARNARVON TOWN COUNCIL. I TUESDAY.—Present: Tho Mayor (Mi Richard Thomas), presiding; Aldermen N. Davies, John Williams, W. P. Williams, T. D. Lake, Councilors J. R. Hughes, Edward Hughes, J. P. Gregory, David Pierce, Jssard Davies, Robert Parry, Owen Jones, J. T. Roberts. T. Morgan Lloyd, J. Fletcher, W. Hamer, John Rees, R. O. Roberts, and H. Lloyd Carter; and the officials, namely, Messrs Bodvel-Roberts (town clerk), D. H. Jones (accountant), R. LI. Jones (surveyor), Dewsburrv (ga-s manager), Evan Roberts (inspector), John Wi&liams (collector), etc. CONDOLENCE. The Mayor said that since the council last met the town had lost through death a gen- tleman, who some years ago, was one of its most prominent men. Twenty years ago, he was mayor of the town, and he was the oldest tracleman in Carnarvon, and had been lead- ing a most active life, and spending a. great deal of money in improving the appearance of the town by the erection of handsome buildings in it. He was referring to the late Mr Hugh Humphreys, and moved a vote of condolence with the family in their bereave- ment. Councillor Owen Jones seconded, and it was agreed to. FINANCE COMMITTEE: THE EYER- LASTING FERRY QUESTION.—A KNOTTY POINT AND A LIVELY DISCUSSION. In the absence of Alderman W. J. Wil- liams, chairman of the finance committee, Alderman Norman Davies moved the adop- tion of that committee's report, which was as follows: — The following were reported to have been received during month ending 25th April, 1896 District fund, £80 9s Id water ac- count, £34 17s 5d gas, JS555 5s 5d other rents, tolls, &c., JS57 4s Id. Port sanitary expenses, 1896-7: Recommended that pre- cepts be issued under seal for the following amofnts, estimated to be required fc* Ae i year ending 25th March, 1897 Carnarvon Urban District Council, £20; Gwyrfai Rural District Council, £ 7 13s; Dwvran. Rural District Council, £ 1 7s; total, £ 29. Bor- ougli fund: The accountant produced cs- timated expenditure for 1896-7. Re-com- mended that a precept be issued upon the ovemeers of the parish of LIanbeHig, requir- ing them to pay the following sums to the credit of the borough fund account—one-half on or before the 31st August next, ami the remainder on or before be 31st December nt xt: School board, £650; free library Id rate, £115; technical education, do., £115; other borough fund charges, £120; total, $1000. As the sanitary committee propose erecting a new disinfector at the fever hos- pital during the-current financial year, for which no provision was made in their es- timates, it is recommended that £300, the approximate cost of disinfector, be added to the sum provided as working balance in the estimates passed at the last council meeting, in order to provide against a debit balance while negotiations for a loan are proceeding. Recommended also that the item -'£300 loan to ferry committee" be struck out of the estimated. It aipp^ajis that a much larger sum will be required to improve the landing stages. &0. Alderman John Williams, referring to the recommendation that the item of J5500 loan to ferry committee, be struck out of the esti- mates, asked where was the ferry committee to get the money from, and why was this withdrawn 1 Councillor J. T. Roberts said that the chairman of the finance oommittee, if he had been able to be present, would probably have told them that lis committee was not to pro- vide it.. Councillor Issard Davies observed that the mysterious part of the affair was that the committee proposed to strike out the £300 from the estimates for the yeaT, and yet they did not drop the rate. The Tate made to meet the estimated expenditure of the year' was 2s 3d in the jE, hut after dropping this £300 it should really be 2s in the £ Tho Mayor read the resolution passed at the last meeting of the council to the effect that JB500 be lent from the district fund to the ferry committee for the purpose of mak- ing necessary improvements on the An^.esey side of the ferry, to be repaid in twenty equal instalments of capital and interest. Councilor J. R. Hughes said that if any of them objected to that proposal they ought to have made their remarks at that meeting when the money was voted. Councillor Issard Davies &:id lie moved an amendment to the resolution, which was se- conded and put to the meeting. Councilor Edward Hughes, chairman of the ferry committee, said that was a commit- tee meeting of the whole council, when it was unanimously decided to recommend to the finance committee that they should con- sider this loan, and recommend it to the fol- lowing council meeting. He thought the committee met, and recommended as reques- ted, and the whole council passed it. On those grounds—on the understanding that the JB500 would be forthcoming—the ferrv com- mittee had taken steps to nroceed with the work at once. Plans and specifications were prepared, and all other preliminaries gone through, which were necessary to proceed with the alt-orations and improvements. But there were reasons which could be ,riven why the work had not been proceeded with. They had two or three reasons to give for the de- lay. They were all agreed that it was of the utmost importance for Carnarvon that the ferry shouiid be effectively improved. The more he went to Anglesey the more he found the necessity for improving the communica- tion, and that without delay, and before the work was completely stopped he earnestly hoped that the council would consider the matter very seriously. The 'Mayor pointed out that the question before the council was that of Alderman John Williams, namely why was the JS500 with- drawn and where could the ferry committee get the money from ? Councillor J. T. Roberts reminded them that Councillor Issard Davies had a.sked why was the 2s 3d rate not dropped to 2s now that the JS500 was to be taken out of the estimates. Mr Davies appeared to be a good deal moved about the elimination of the £300; perhaps he would be willing to move that it be granted to the saritarv oommittee. Alderman John Williams But let us have the reasons for this recommendation. Surety the finance oommittee must have had some very strong reasons for taking this step, and making such a reoommendation. Ailderman Norman Davies said that certain information reached the finance committee with reference to the -last remark made bv Afr Roberts, that the council would have to go to the expense of providing a disinfector during the current year, which would cost them as much as the council had voted for the forrv committee, and no provision had been made for this in the estimates. The finance commit- tee had also been assured that JB500 would not by a long way cover the expense of car- rying out the work which the council had in view on the Anglesey side. These were two reasons why the finance committee now re- commended the elimination of the j5500 loan from the estimates, and added to the working balance. There was still another reason which cou.d be given, but he did not know^that it would be wi.e to mention it. ) Councillor J. R. Hughes: Dr John knows it-we aJ know it. Let Mr Issard Davies tell the council. The Town Clerk, to save any more in- ) direct talk, sa'd that that reason was simply this—that when the council voted the £300 as a loan to t-.ic ferry committee it was thought that aCl present were satisfied with the arrangement, but It was said afterwards that some who were r>resent were dissatisfied. Councillor J. T»-. Hughes: Yes; and went about the town telling everybody so The Mayor I hardly think it would be I right to take this £ 300 from the ferry com- mittee in this way now, for the council has already resolved to hand it over to them, and that resolution should first of all be rescinded. Councillor Edward Hughes pointed out that if this recommendation was adopted, and the ferry committee competed to come forward again to ask for money to carry out their effort, it would delay the work very much. The committee could not do any- thing without the money, thev were perfectly helpless, for this would stop the whole thing. He was perfectly certain if they put the question to the ratepayers that 99 out of every 100 of them would say go on1 with the work. He hoped that the council before stopping the work would consider what tliey were doing as seriously and fully as any question that ever came before them. He felt very strongly about it. The committee had stipulated for a new steamer, and they had let the lease on the understanding that certain improvements would be done on the Carnarvon side of the ferry and correspond- ing improvements carried out on the Angle- sey side they lia-d appealed to the Harbour Trust, and tae latter body had, like gentle- men who took great interest in the welfare and prosperity of the town. nobly come for- ward and promised to spend a large sum of money on the Carnarvon side upon very necessary and important work on the dis- tinct understanding that the ferry committee of the corporation would carry out correspon- ding improvements on the other side and here were the council going to stop the whole thing after all! It was a. most serious; mat- ter. 0 Councillor Robert Parry remarked that the recommendation of the finance commit- tee, if carried, would not debar the council from giving the JE500 to the ferry committee. The finance committee simply recommended that the amount be not included in the es. timates. If the recommendation be passed, money could still be handed over to the ferry committee, the only difference being that the finance committee would have to con- sider how that could be done. It was a question of ways and means, and not at all that of withdrawing their support to the ferry committee. He would support the recommendation of the finance committee. The Mayor agreed with everything that had been said to show how important to the town was that they should have proper piers or landing-stages on both sides of the ferry. The Harbour Trust had handsomely come forward to spend £2000 on improving the Caernarvon side. That mo(ming at theJr meeting they received a letter from the ferry committee asking for a deputation to meet that committee on the other side of the ferry to consider how best to improve the landing places there. They (the mem- bers of the corporation on the Harbour Trust) said t:1ey could not find the money, and one gentleman present said that if a pier was made by Barras, the Anglesey peo- ple would find the money. The expense of such an undertaking would be about £1400. Dr Parry said that the question was in such a position now that they, coüld do no- thing better than adopt the recommenda- tion. Councillor Lloyd Carter failed to follow their reasoning. To agree to hand over the money towards one object was no reason for their giving it to another. Councillor John Rees moved an amend- ment to tho effect that the JS500 voted for the disinfector be given to the ferry com- mittee. Councillor J. T. Roberts asked them to I allow the resolution to remain as it was. Whether thev oouldi lend the money or not would b? another matter. Councillor Rees's amendment was not sec- onded, and the minutes of the finance com- mifcteel, inicludang the xeeomm(tnda.tioll to strike out of the estimates the £300 for the ferrv committee, were the i agreed to. GAS COMMITTEE. Councillor Robert Parry, chairman of the gas oommittee, moved the adoption of the following report, which was agreed :;0:- Councillor Parry Jones reported having examined the old boiler in company with other members of the committee, their opin- ion being that a new boiler was required. It having been ascertained that the engine and exhauster could be safely worked at a pres- sure of 701bs., they recommended buying a new boiler a little smaller than the old one, viz., a Cornish boiler of 12 horse power. 15 feet by 5 feet, worked at a pressure of 60 or 701bs. Resolved that Messrs De Win- ton and Co. be further communicated with in order to ascertain, amongst other tilings, what they are prepared to atlow for using the dead weight safety valve of old boiler, and other articles.—At another meeting, it was resolved that Messrs De Wintoa's am- was resolved that Messrs De Wintoa's am- ended specification and tender be accepted, Subject fta fehe (fallowing rxmd^ions: -a) The manager to be allowed to inspect boiler during construction. (2) The boiler to be completed and placed on foundation for £95, within five weeks from letting of contract, or forfeit a sum of £2 per week while the contract remains unfinished. (3) McNeil'* manhole to he provided as specified at first. —At a subsequent meeting, the manager re- ported that Messrs De Winton and Co. had accepted the conditions laid down by the committee, with the exception that they bind themselves under penalty to complete the work within a month from arrival of plates, and not within five weeks from date of routmet.. The order had been placed with them. Resolved that coin meters in use and in stock be readjusted to pass an increased quantity of gas, so as to lower the price in the same proportion as the recent. reduction in the price charged other consumers. THE TREASURER. Councillor J. R. Hughes asked why was the treasurer absent from the meeting, and was he not paid so much by the council for attending everv meeting? SANITARY COMMITTEE. Councillor J. T. Roberts, in the absence of Alderman M. T. Morris, chairman, mov- ed the adoption of this committee's report,' which contained the following items: — Mr Evani Eviarus submitted plans of a lodge for Sir Llewelyn Turner at Bethel Road, in lieu of those approved of in De- cember last. The surveyor having reported I thereon, they wero recommended for ap- proval. Messrs Evans and Lake submitted, plans showing suggested alterations at Seiont Mills, with a view of adapting Juhem for the purpose of bacon curing. The plans liaving been examined, and the application describ- ing the premises having been considered, it was resolved that the medical officer, inspec- tor, and surveyor should visit the premises and report thereon. A letter dated the 14tli April, was read from the Local Government Board stating that they could not sanction the appointment of the medical officer of health, and inspector for the port sanitary authority, and of the inspector for the urban district, it being against their regulations that the appointments should be determined in the irrmner proposed by the resolution of 25th February, viz., by three months' notice. Resolved that Dr E. H. Williams be re- appointed medical officer of health for the Carnarvon Port Sanitary Authority, at a salary of j520 per annum; and alsi that Mr Evan Roberts be re-appointed inspector of nuisances fr,r the said authority, at a salary of £ 20 per annum; both appointments to be permanent, subject to the regulations as to tenure of office contained in the Local Government Board's General Order dated 19th July, 1883. Resolved further that Mr Evan Roberts be re-appointed inspector of nuisances for the urban sanitary authority of the borough of Carnarvon, at a salary of £70 per annum, the appointment to be per- manent, subject to articles as to tenure of office (10 to 13) contained in the order of I the Local Government Board, dated 23rd March, 1891. A letter was read from Mr Hvirphrey Joiv-s, Mountain View. Segon- tium-road, complaining that someone had connected a drain to his drain at Hendre- street, thereby causing his drains to block, also that the surveyor had refused to in- spect the premises. Ordered that the sur- veyor and inspector visit the place and re- port to next meeting. Read letter from clerk to the Glaslyn Rural District Council in reply to resolution of council approving of the plans of Rhyd-ddu drainage scheme, subject to a plot of two acres in area, being shown to be prepared for discharging the effluent from the tanks, stating that they were advised by their engineer that no bet- ter arrangement than provided for in the scheme can be made for discharging the effluent on the land from the tanks, as there are not two acres of land within an available distance which can be so prepared. Re- commended that as two acres cannot be ac- quired, that as much land as is available be prepared. The inspector reported that he had in company with the surveyor visited Mr Humphrey Jones's house in Hendre- street, and found that the drain waioh" he had alleged had been connected with his was his own, also that the neighbouring ten- ant had seen the surveyor with Mr Hum- phrey Jones on the premises previous to the date of his letter complaining that the sur- veyor had refused to go there (April 23th). Councillor Issard Davies, referring to the recommendation to re-appoint Mr Evan Ro- berts a.s inspector of nuisances for the urban sanitary authority, said they sho'ild recog- nise the services cf Mr Roberts better than they did. He was a most capable and trust- worthy effieial. had passed his examination, but was receiving from them less than he cot'ld earn elsewhere. It was pointed cut that in addition to the JE70 from the urban authority, he also re- ceived £20 per annum from the port sani- tary authority. Councillor Issard Davics replied that Ro- berts could earn elsewhere more than he re- c,,=vul from both authorities put together. He sugge^'ed that the finance committee should consider whether ;t would not be t-v:lvi^able to increase his salary. Councillor J. T. Roberts said there was no need for ncving this, because Mr Evan Ro- berts con lC bring the matter before the com- mittee himself. The m'.nu'ies were passed, as well as CcuncilVr Issard Davies's recommendation. HIGHWAY AND TOWN IMPROVE- MENT. The minutes of this committee were ad- opted, on the motion of the chairman. Alder- man John Williams. They included the following -4 Mrs Bracegirdle wrote applying for the grazing of tho Lower Park and Common as before, at an annual rent of £9. Recom- I mended that the tender be accepted. Mr John Evans, 4, Hall-in-the-Wall-street, offered £10 as before for the grazing of the Upper Park till the 12th May, 1897. Re- oommended that the tender be accepted, pro- vided that he is willing to carry out the conditions of letting. Two tenders for team work were received from Thomas Jones, Brynafon, and Oldfield Brothers, Alexandra- terrace. Thomas Jones's was the lowest by distance, both were the same by day. Re- commended that Thomas Jones's tender by distance be accepted, and Oldfield Brothers' br the dav. PROPOSED NEW OFFICES AN AMUS- ING SPEECH. Councillor Robert Parry moved the adop- tion of the following report of the special committee appointed to consider the best means of providing new offices and council room: As there are difficulties in the wav of utilising the vacant land by the Institute as a site for new offices and council chamber, your committee have had under considera- tion the question of converting the magis- trates'-room into offices for the inside staff and collector, and with this object in view it is recommended that an application be made to the County Council for permission (1) To have the Borough Petty Sessions held in the same room as the County Pettv Ses- sions. And (2) for permission to hold the town council monthly meetings in the Coun- ty Council chamber. And in the event of such permission being given tliat the altera- tions suggested by the surveyor be carried out at an expense not exceeding £20. Councillor Issard Davies said it seemed to him that in proposing to convert the magis- trates'-room into offices for the inside staff instead of the present one, they were jump- ing from the frying pan into the fire. Councillor Owen JonevS thought the pre- sent room was good enough for the inside staff. They had plenty of headroom, light, and fresh air there, and why should they go into any needless expense? When, the town had increased in activity and population, then they could go in for proper municip;.? buildings, but it was admitted by all that there was no increase in the population at the present time, and he did net see how they could help it either, seeing that their leading men, such as their worthy mayor, were old bachelors (loud laughter). It was very forcibly pointed out in that room at a recent meeting that they ought to do their utmost to increase the population, but there was no sign of it yet (laughter). His firm had an office attached to their place of busi- ness in Liverpool very much like the room of the Carnarvon Corporation, and they were employing in that office about sixteen clerks afl the year round, and they were strong enough and healthy enough. To carry out the proposed alterations, he would not. call them improvements, will be simply throwing money away. Let them wait until they were in a better position, and then go in for some- thing proper in the way of municipal build- ings—buildings that would be worthy of the town and cause astonishment to all visitors. He moved that the matter should remain at rest ai present. The Town Clerk said that a letter had been received from the Local Government Board to the effect that the land at tie gable end of the Institute was held in trust as charity land, and that before the council should move in the matter of erecting cor- poration offices thereon, they should first of all lay the question before the Charity Com- missioners. In other words the land must be purchased from the said Commissioners. Councillor Robert Parry said it was rather amusing to hear from Councillor Owen Jonea almost the same speech as he had delivered on a previous occasion, but as far as it had anything to do with the question before the meeting it was altogether irrelevant. He did not know whether Counciillor Ow^i Jones ever attended committee meetings in that room, but those who did attend com- plained of that room. To use that room for committee meetings and also as an office was net sanitary. He did not think the ex- pense would be £20; probably it would not exceed j315. Alderman John Williams said they had a room upstairs airy enough. Therefore, why should they go on with that expense upon the magistrates'-room, which would not be at It] an improvement? Eigat voted for deferring the matter, and ten in favour of adapting the committee's recommendation. recommendation. RAHWAY RATES. Councillor David Pierre, chairman of the railway committee, read a letter addressed to himself, as chairman of the committee, from Mr T. D. Toleman, on behalf of the Carnarvon section of the great choir which will take part in the Wrel?H musical festival at the Cirstal Palace, asking the co-operation of tho committee in trying to secure the mnst suitable a.rrnTig0mentts asj to times, fares, &c., from the railway company, in view of their annmarhin? visit to the Metro- polis. The letter was referred to the rail- wav committee. Councillor J. T. Roberts said he wished to call attention to a most. important matter to the town, but he could not do so unless the committee a report to present or unless the standnicf orders were suspended It was a matter respecting railway rates. I The Town Clerk pointed out that the Stat- ute said the matter ought to have been placed on the agenda. It was not a matter of standing orders but of Statute. Leave was unanimously given Councillor J. 1. Roberts to bring the matter forward, and he then read a letter from Mr D. Lloyd- George, M.P., urging the importance for Carnarvon to send two representatives to give evidence before the Parliamentary Com- mittee appointed to inquire into the rates on the Chester and Holyhead railway and branches. Mr Roberts proceeded to remark that there was no doubt but that the rail- way rates here were most unfair and in- equitable towards tradesmen and slate ship- pers, and that it was a matter of impossibility almost to make the company grant any re- duction unless they were tackled in this way. Councillor J. R. Hughes moved that Coun- cillors J. T. Roberts and John Fldcherbe empowered to give evidence. The name of Alderman Norman Davies was also suggest- cd. Alderman Norman Davies wanted his name left cut. They as slate merchants had been fighting the railway company for a long time over rates, and they had at last ar. rived at what was practically a settlement of tie question. Councillor Issard Davies did not think that the i-late merchants complained at all now. Councillor .T. R. Hughes said that in face of tho fact that. Mr W. A. Darbishire had given ncticc of his intention to move at the next meeting of the County Council that the Railway Bill be opposed, he could not see where those remarks came in. Councillor J. T. Roberts thought it would be better for them to appoint a small com- mittee to act immediately. Dr Parry suggested that it be left in the hands of the railway committee. The Town Clerk Whoever goes will have to work it up. It will be a big thing. The matter was ultimately referred to the railway committee, with Messrs J. T. Ro- berts and Norman Davies added, with power to appoint two to attend land give evidence. Alderman Norman Davies inquired of the chairman of the railway committee whether they had any report to make respecting workmen's trains. ° Councillor David Pierce replied that they had not received « reply from the company beyond a post card to the effect that the subject would have immediate attention. THE PROPOSED MUSEUM. Councillor J. R. Hughes asked where they stood now in respect to the proposed mu- seum. Had anything been done in the mat- ted The Mayor said that the Rev Evan Jones was the chairman of the committee, and it had been practically in the hands of the library committee. Dr Parry: It is really in the hands of the council. We made an application for a loan, and we cannot do anything without the money. The Town Clerk explained that the Local Government Boardi asked fttr plans and Hpecifieations, which were supplied them, and they were taking their time over it. THE FERRY COMMITTEE AN INTER- ESTING QUESTION FOR PLEA- SURE-BOAT ROWERS. Councillor Edward Hughes, chairman of the ferry committee, read the following re- port of that committee — Councillor Gregory proposed, and Coun- cillor R. Owen seconded, that the question of removing the bank by the end of the pier be considered by a joint committee cf the Harbour Trustees, and that an application be made to them to visit Talvfoel at low water to see the effect of the silting of sand at the pier. It was resolved that the. low- water landing-stage be repaired. Councillor Issard Davies I am told that the present lessee of the ferry charges a fee upon everyone who lands anywhere on the other side. I understand that has never been done before. Supposing any one of us rowed over in his own boat he is charged. It has nevei* been done before, and I should like to get the town clerk's opinion as to the legality of this. The Town Clerk I am asked to advise upon matters the whole world over, but I am not bound to advise publiclv on this question. Councillor Issard Davies: That- is only another way of saying you don't know, I suppose ? The 1 own Clerk Not at all. I do know. He went on to explain that this would be a matter of fact upon which jurymen woufld hllYt, to be called upon to decide. The charge was limited to persons "ferrying" across. Councillor J. P. Gregory understood that a charge was now made on everyone goim* over in a pleasure boat. ° ° Councillor Edward Hugaes said the ques- tion was put to him last week whether the lessee of the ferry had the right to take toll from those rowing over for pleasure in row- ing club boats, and lie had replied that he thought the lessee had a right to charge everyone taken over by members of rowing clubs. ° Dr Parry The chairman of the ferry committee should not give le.gal advise with- out charging for it (loud laughter). Councillor Edward Hushes, returning to the withdrawal of the £300, wanted to know what the ferry committee was expected to do, now that they had no money to era on. They could not go on without it. ° Councillor J. T. Roberts thought the les- see should be written to so that. he mirTht be given to understand that he had no° r>ht. to charge people who rowed over in their own pleasure boats. The Mayor: If the J5300 is to be taken away from the ferry committee, it will crip- ple them very much. WThat are we to do? We cannot expect the Harbour Trust to erect or improve piers on both sides of the ferry, and we have told them that if they did the work on this side we would do the necessary on tho other side. Will it not be better for us to form ourselves into a com- mittee at the close of thia meeting so as to avoid all further delay ? Dr Parry did not think the question arose a.t all. The resolution of the council grant- ing £ 300 to the ferrv committee still stood, and the only matter to be decided was how the money could be got, and that was a question for the finance committee? Oouncillor J. R. Hug-lies Let the ferrv committee make up their minds as to what they are going to do, and also how much money they want. At present thev don't appear to know exactly where they stand. The Mayor: They have found out how much they want for the improvement of the pier and buildings, but not for the removal of the sandbanks in front of the pier. Alderman John Williams said he was over in Anglesey the other day, and in a con- versation, Captain Lewis, the ilessee, told him that the money proposed to be spent on warehouses at the old pier would be so much money entirely thrown away, unless something wavs done to remove the sandbank in front of the pier. Captain Lewis was certain that unless something was done to prevent the silting of sand at that spot the steamer could not be taken to the pier at all in twelve or eighteen months again. Councillor Edward Hughes That is the very reason why the work had not been pro- ceeded with, and why we have asked the Harbour Trustees to meet us at Talyfoel. If they will not be prepared to divert the caannel at that place, some other steps must be taken more than we have already decided on. If the TarbouT Trustees and the ferry committee meet, what position are we in to carry out any work decided upon? Wo have received three tenders for the erection of Warehouses, &c., but we have not opened any one of them, because we did not know our position respecting the silting of the sand. Until the council shall vote a certain amount of money the ferry committee is l crippled. Councillor LI. yd Carter then said that the town would be very much obliged to those gentlemen who had hindered the £300 being spent by tho ferry committee on buildings which might lie utterly worthless for ferry purposes in eighteen months. The meeting then terminated, the mayor requesting the ferry committee to remain behind.

CONWAY TOWN COUNCIL The monthly meeting of the above author- ity was held in the Guild Hall, Conway, on j W ednesday, under the presidency of Coun- cillor Humphrey Lewis (mayor). There were ■?j so present: Aldermen Hugh Hughes, Win. Hughes, and Hugh Jones"; Councilors R- A. Priehard, J. W .Tosdevine, John Wil- liams. Edvard Roberts, A. W. Jones, John Hughes, and M. J. Morgan the clerk (Mr T. E. Parry), and the surveyor and engineer (Mr T. B. Farrington). FINANCES. From the rate collector's monthly account, it appeared that the sum of £1036. had been collected, and that the ratepayers were I" arrears to the extent cf £802. There was » balance due to the treasurer of JS3880. THE GAS ARREARS. Councillor John Williams cared attention to the arrears in gas rentals as given in the colefctors statement, which he said was If.- correct and misleading. The amount of ar- rears was given as £266 lis 4d. The ar- rears would reach a much higher sum. Dr Priehard The collector has nothing to- do with that. Councillor John Williams: We want a clear and honest statement. Dr Priehard: Any error must be referred to the clerk. Councillor John Wiriams Clerk will ans- wer then. The Clerk: I have previously given my answer. The gas rentafs were not in the statement submitted to the last meeting. Alderman H. Hughes If there have been any irregularities, :Mr Williams can bring the matter forward in committee. The Clerk All I can say is that I would not be a party to cooking up an account. Oouncillor Edward Roberts said that inas- much as Mr Williams had said that the re- port was not honest, he must prove it. The further consideration of the matter was then referred to a committee. THE TY MAWR PROPERTY. The finance committee recommended adoption of the original plan of the Ty Mawr property, for the purpose of sale, as prepared by the borough surveyor. Also that Messr* Lewis and Roberts, the owners of adjoin- ing properties to Ty Mawr be requested to make an offer to the council for plots 1 and 2 on the plan, subject to the road being car- ried through Mr Roberts's property, and made to connect with the road a.s shown on the plan. It was also recommended that the portion of Ty Mawr property abutting en the Deganwy-road be put up for sale in threo lots, with condition that the houses be semi- detached, and not to be of less rental than £20 per annum, and on lots 4 and 5 not to be of less value than £10 per annuIIl. and on lots 6 and 7 of not less value that. J515 per annum. The whole matter was referred to a com- mittee, to meet on the following Monday. THE WIDENING OF BANGOR-ROAP The Surveyor submitted the plans of tw"> shops in Bangor-road, to be erected by .11- derman Hugh Jones. Dr Priehard suggested that A/ldermsn Hush Jones be approached with a view widening Bangor-road, opposite the Police I Station. Eventually, upon the motion of Councii-<;r John Hughes, seconded by Dr Priehard, It was resolved that a small committee be ap- pointed to wait upon Alderman Hugh Jones- A SCENE. Upon com. deration of plans submitted rrv the surveyor of villas to be erected by Mr A. W. Hughes, it was cc-ntended that they were not in accordance with the bye-laws. This g-ave rise to a very warm discussion. Alderman Hugh Hughes was questioning the surveyor, when The Surveyor protested. Councillor Edward Roberts advised the sur- veyor not to answer. Alderman Hugh Hughes: We are not in a public-house now. Councillor Edward Roberts: You are fond of pubic-houses as anyone, and alwa/1* have your finger in the pie." Alderman Hugh Hughes: You have a pubCic-house rabble now. at any rate. THE OOWTiYD BOARD. The Clerk informed the council that th 3 Provisional Order Cowlvd Board had been read the first :ime in Parliament on the 27th of April. The only difference was that the rural district council were empowered to elect four members, with the chairman as cx- officio.

CARNARVON BOARD OF GUARDIANS. A meeting of this board was held on I Saturday, Mr C. A. Jones presiding. A letter was read from the Local Government Bo^rd sanctioning the appointment of Mrs Ellis, widow of the lato relieving officer, registrar of Llanidan district. Also an- nouncing their willingness, under the cir- cumstances, on the understanding that more care will be taken with the work of teaching children in the future, to allow a grant of £16 13s for the period Miss Jones acted as industrial trainer.

SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. CARNARVON. ARRIVED.—Prosperity, Ca.ptain Wil- i liams, from Bowling; W. S. Caine 8,8., Wil- liams, Liverpool; Prince Ja Ja s.s., Ander- son, do. Rebecca s.s., Jones, do. Flag- staff s.s., Wilson, Preston Ann, Williams, Silloth; Ceres, Roberts, do. Gilbert Greene!), Pugh, Aberayron. R.\ILÐD.-Prince Ja Ja 8.S., Captain Anderson, for Liverpool; Rebecca s.s., .Tones, do. Elizabeth, Williams. Silloth; Unicorn, Roberts, London; Ann Eliza, Davies, Cardigan Camborne, Thomas, Port- dinorwic Margaret Lewis, Jones, Newport; Queen of the W est, Evans, Harburg; W- S. Caine s.s., Williams, Penmaenmawr; Rhos, Hurst., Portmadoc; Eccleston, Wil- liams, Warrington Dora, Thomas, Silloth Catherine, Jünes, DundoJUk; Mersey, Hughes, Porldinorwie.

Atr Tudor Howell has received representa- tions from St Asaph asking him to propose an amendment to Sir John Gorst's Education Bill, the object of which is to extend the proposed English system to 'Wales. There j is, it seems, a strong feeling at St Asaph (at teast, in one corner of the city) in favour or such a course. 'Mr Tudor Howell placed these views before the Welsh Uniortst mem- bers, but. after much consideration, the ma- jority were of opinion that _it would be much better for Waf.es generally if Sir John Gorst's bill were not so amended. Mr Tudor Howell expressed his willingness to fall in line with lus colleagues. Next, Mr Giiffith-Boscawen communicated to SIT John Llewelyn his de- termination to propose this amendment if a Welsh member does not. Such an amend- ment, if earned, woutd have the effect of creating a dual control in Wales, and not of unifying educatumaf. authorities, which is the objecs of the English bill. Instead of the existing county governing bodies being made the education department after the passing of the bill, it wou.d be for each County Coun- cil to elect the education committee in ac- cordance with the provisions of the bil.1. Th-i amendment whether moved by Mr Howell, ^.r AVT- th Boscawen, wilf. be opposed br tho Ministerialists.

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