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CARMARTHEN TOWN COUNCIL. ) The Market Committee met in the Council Chamber I on Friday evening, the members present being Mr W. Monis (in the chair), Mr W. Llewellyn, and Mr John Lewis (Johnstown), together with Mr George Thomas town clerk), and Mr G. A. Hutchins (surveyor). The first business was to consider the application of (Mr J. L. Davies, ironmonger, for permission to erect a shed fur his implements in the market-place. It was anticipated that there would be some difference of opinion on the subject, but the matter was set at rest by the receipt of a letter from Mr Davies withdrawing his application. The Chairman referred to the passage between the vegetable stalls in the market being far too much crowded on market days, and said the public convenience required that some alteration in the stalls be made, and the p issau-o widened. Mr Lewis feared that the proposal to move back some of the stalls and put them in the shade would cause great dissatisfaction to the owners. The Town Clerk said they must consult the con- venience of the public at large. Mr Llewellyn said a change would be beneficial to the j; stall-holders, if the place was now too much crowded for the transaction of business. Mr Lewis said there had been many excursions this year on mar ket days, and the place would not be thronged after they were over. The Chairman said the place was too much thrsnged every market day. Eventually it was resolved that some of the stalls should be moved back. At the suggestion of the Town Clerk, it was resolved to prevent people from putting stalls or standiugs on the street in front of the principal entrance to the market on Saturdays. Later in the evening a meeting of the Public Works Committee was held. There were present: Mr W. Morris (in the chair), Capt. J. Morris, Mr T. Mostyn Davies. Mr John Lewis (Commerce House), Mr W. ) Llewellyn, Mr J. Davies, Mr H. Howell, Mr D. Parcell Rees, Mr John Lewis (Johnstown), and Mr T. Davies (Albion House). The Town Clerk and Surveyor, and also Mr J. Hughes (medical officer of health), and Mr Williams (inspector of nuisances) attended. Plans were passed for building two new houses in Tabernacle-terrace, for converting a house in Barn's- row (Victoria Cottage) into two, and for the building of a new house by Jonathan Phillips at Glannant-road. The Surveyor mentioned that the tool-shed was now in the place where they used to have a mortuary, and at a late inquest on a man who was drowned, the coroner (Mr J. Hughes) was greatly inconvenienced from there being no proper mortuary. He was afraid they would have to build him one. He then described a plan by which he thought they could provide a sufficiently good mortuary close to the disinfecting-room at the fever hospital, without spending more than jM or £ 6. The Chairman said that when the jury at the inquest went up to view the body the other day, they found the dead-house filled with all sorts of things. Mr Rees and Mr Llewellyn said that something in the way of a dead-house was very much wanted. Mr Hutchins, in reply to the Town Clerk, said that the medical officer had not seen or approved of the plans I which he bad ready, and the matter was adjourned till Mr Hughes came in. The Medical Officer, having examined the plans, suggested some trifling additions, and also advised that a good stone slab of six feet long or more be kept there for dissecting purposes. Mr Hutchins said this would cost perhaps a couple of pounds beyond what was set down in his estimate. It was resolved that the dead-house be constructed under the superintendence of the medical officer of health and the surveyor, at a cost not exceeding £10. The next business was to consider the tenders which had been left over at the last Town Council, beginning with those for coal. The tenders of Mr Joshua, Mr T. White, and Messrs Margrave (Llanelly) were again read. All tendered, among other kinds, for Llangennech coal," and Mr Margrave stated that his firm were sole agents in the district for the Llangennech Company. The Surveyor, in reply to some questions respecting the quality of the coal used at the engine-house, and whether it was from the Llangennech Company's pit, said that on the 14th of June they had an evening Finance Committee, and being then short of coal they instructed him to order two trucks direct from the company. But their contractor having got a supply next day, he wrote to the company to inform them of that fact, and to countermand the order he had previously sent. To this letter he received an answer, not from the company, but from Margrave & Co., asking who their contractor was, and whether the coal they received was called "Llangennech coal," in such a way as to lead them to believe that it came from the Llangennech Company. Afterwards, in July, Mr Margrave came hero and asked him for particulars, and at the same time told him he ought to lay the facts before the Town Council. He (Mr Hutchins) said that when he saw any necessity to lay the matter before the Town Council he would do so, and that he would send Mr Margrave's firm a form of tender when forms were being sent to others. Mr J. Lewis (Commerce House) asked if these tenders had been returned to those who sent them in order that the name of the pit, &c., might be specified. ThA Town Clftrb Allin hA fAarAn that had not been done. The Surveyor said he had never heard of it. Mr Lewis said it was deliberately resolved at the Town Council that these tenders should be sent back to see what pit the coal was to come from. As that had not been done he held they were out of order in dis- cussing the tenders at all. Mr Llewellyn said that Mr White told him he could obtain 300 tons of coal to-morrow from the Llangen- nech Company's pit if he wanted it. Mi Hutchins would be able to tell them if they were not getting the kind of coal they were paying for. Mr Hutchins-I have told you we were not getting steam coal of the quality we required. The Chairman—He has always told us so. Mr Llewellyn-Not in public. He has made some statements of the kind at the Finance Committee, where there were no reporters. The Chairman-He has told you that for steam power one ton- Mr Llewellyn (interrupting)—Oh, you cannot prove that. Mr D. P. Rees said he knew nothing about Margrave, but be had had a good deal of experience of engines and coal. He could not see why they bought coal in Carmarthen for lis a ton. He did not believe any of them who had engines would spend their own money in that way. He would like to ask how Mr Lewis (Johns- town) got his coal. Mr Lewis-By the truck. Mr D. P. Rees-I thought so, and others do the same. If it were only a matter of Is a ton I would give the preference to a local tradesman, but above all have the right coal and get it from the pit. Mr Hutchins said they must pay 14s or 159 to get coal equal to that from the Llangenneoh Company's pit. Mr T. Mostyn Davies-If I understand Mr Rees, he suggests that local contractors send a few trucks of good coal at first, and bad coal afterwards. Mr D. P. Rees-That is what was stated to me by the engine-driver. He sent back two loads this week. Mr J. Lewis (Commerce House)-Mr Hutchins should Bee that it is the right coal. Mr T. Mostyn Davies-He cannot test every truck. We ought to be able to depend to some extent on our contractor. Mr Hutchins—Suppose I did test all the coal, and found some of it bad, we should often be obliged to use any coal we had on the ground in order to keep up the ateam. Mr U. Howell asked what guarantee they had that they would not get a few trucks of good coal and bad coal afterwards if they left Carmarthen and went to Llanelly or elsewhere to look for a contractor. The Chairman said there would be no danger if they dealt with a respectable firm. Mr James Davies-Are the Carmarthen tradesmen, and they alone, rogues ? Mr J. Lewis (Commerce House)—The gist of the argument appears to be that there is honesty every- where only here, and that the Carmarthen tradesmen are all rogues and vagabonds. The Chairman—Who said that ? Mr Hutchins remarked that, supposing the contractor to supply them without making a penny of profit for himself, lis a ton would be at least a shilling less than he could deliver the coal for them on the ground that was to say, the kind of coal they required. Mr John Lewis (Commerce House) said they had no business to go into this matter at all when the tenders were not sent back. It was then resolved that the tenders should be sent back to have the name of the company and the pit filled in, and it was also suggested that those who sent tenders should be told that the council did not bind themselves down to Llangennech coal or any other, provided they got a good steam coal. Mr Hutchins said they formerly got Glyncorrwg coal, which served their purpose remarkably well. Mr D. P. Rees said it was a good steam coal, and cheap too. He thought it was delivered at the Tinworks for 12s. ^CIi^er8 for Panting and stationery were received fo Mfr Hutchins and Mr Evans, Queen-street. That Mess?? was accepted. M !!18 Jones & Son, King-street, and Mr D. TWr tendered for repairing the public UmS. a, M ^Sj* inde'ed f0r rePa i ri nS the public  r  STo? was accepted The tender of Mr Dp g618 Waa accePted for gas* fitting and plumbic ?? ? Accepted for gas- l?Ir James Davies' Lammas str t d T. Jones, Pr?ry?,?nd:?-?????????? ? Mr T Jones, or lron-fouader'a k Th former tender was accepted. wor The Mr Thomas Thomas, 68, Lammaa atr.? j „ William Evans, Fishpond Ho:se?:?'  penter's work. Mr Hutchins said both ?n  w?l bualified to do the work, and the commS Wwere not h. h t d ere not quite clear as to which tender was the beat and cheapest. Only three voted for Thomas Thomas while four voted for William Evans, and the latter was appointed car- penter. There was no other business. A special meeting of the Town Council was held on Wednesday. There were present: Alderman Thomas Thomas, in the chair Mr T. Mostyn Davies, Capt. Morris, Mr W. R. Edwards, Dr. Hopkins, Mr R. W. Richards, Mr William Morris, Mr 1). Parcell Ress, Mr W. Llewellyn, Mr John Lewis (Com- merce House), Mr John Lewis (Johnstown), and Mr T. Davies (Albion House). Also Mr Geo. Thomas. town clerk Mr J. Hughes, medical officer of health Mr Geo. James, police superintendent; and Mr J, Williams, waterman. The Town Clerk read the following letters:- Local Government Board, Whitehall, S. W., 21st August, 1884. SIR,—I am directed by the Local Government Board to transmit to you, for the consideration of the Town Council of Carmarthen, a copy of a letter which the board have received from Mr R. H. Morgan, of No. 14, Union-street, Carmarthen and referring to the remarks of the medical officer of health in his report of 1883, respecting the water supply of the borough, I am to request that the board may be furnished with the observations of the Town Council on the subject of that communication. I am, Sir, your obedient servant, C. N. DALTON, Assistant Secretary. George Thomas, Esq., Town Clerk." 14, Union-street, Carmarthen. 8th August, 1884. S i it, -I beg leave to draw the serious attention of the Local Government Board to the state of this town as regards water. In the first place, it is very impure, leaving a great deal of sediment at the bottom of any vessel holding it, and also full of insects. The supply, too, is very short, for we find it continually cut off at 8, 9, and 10 a.m. till 3, 4, and 6 p.m. I myself, and also others, have often complained for some years now, but, I am sorry to say, with hardly any result as regards quantity or quality. I hope, therefore, that the Local Government Board will at last interfere in the matter, and see to it effectually. I have the honour to remain, Sir, Your obedient servant, (Signed) R. HERBERT MORGAN." The Town Clerk added that he had written to thin gentleman and to the Local Government Board that the matter would be brought before the present meeting of the council. This gentleman was the gaol chaplain, he believed. The Chairman asked what were the remarks of the medical officer of health in 1883, which had been referred to. The Medical Officer said his remarks were with regard to the filthiness of the .streams at the top of the hill-Penlan. The Town Clerk said there always had been some difficulty about properly supplying the highest part of Union-street and Picton-place. The Chairman-I thought that was remedied by a new well made near Wellfield Road. The Medical Offioer- You allow that to be absorbed entirely by Mr Norton. The Chairman-That information is quite new to me. The Medical Officer-It is only hearsay with me, your watermen can tell you. Mr Llewellyn-The surveyor should know. Mr William Morris-Perhaps I ought to answer that. At last meeting application was made to give the survayor a holiday to-day. We knew he was vory anxious to have the day. I moved it, and it was carried. Mr Llewellyn—We cannot allow such things to be done in this irregular way. Was it done at the council meeting ? I attend as many meetings as most people, and if these things are done at the close of a meeting after we turn our backs, it is very improper. This is an important matter (about the Springfield water), and I move that it be adjourned for the attendance of the surveyor. Mr William Morris-This was carried at last meeting of the Finance Committee, the full number of members being present. Every one who attended that evening was present when it was done, and it wasinot behind anyone's back. It is not fair for Mr Llewellyn to say that such things are done behind people's backs. It was bruught before that meeting only because we all knew it would have been too late to make the applica- tion to-day. Mr John Lewis (Commerce House)—I think the best way for officials in such a case would be always to apply to the mayor and the clerk if there is no meeting of the council in time. The Town Clerk said he knew that application had been mado to the mayor as well as the committee. As for this matter (Springfield water) it was not thought of at the time, and only came betore them accidentally at present. There was no notice, and this was only a formal meeting to make rates, at which the surveyor did not think he could possibly be required. The Medical Officer said it did not matter, for Mr Williams is here, who knows more about the matter than any other oiffcer can know. The Chairman asked if he knew any sufficient reason which Mr Morgan had for complaining. Mr J. Williams—He has no reason. ThA Chairman—He says the water is continually turned off at 8, 9, and 10 a.m., till 4, 5, and 6 p.m. Mr Williams-That may have been when the Spring- field water was turned off, for the other cannot come back directly. The Chairman—What is the consumption of the Springfield well by Mr Norton ? Mr J. Williams-That was stopped last week. Mr T. Mostyn Davies-How did it occur ? The Town Clerk said there was an order on the council book that Mr Norton should be supplied with water by meter under special arrangement, and that order was still in force. Mr Mostyn Duies- What does the meter indicate now ? The Town Clerk-That I cannot tell you. Mr Mostyn Davies said he understood that there was no perfect water meter known yet. The Medical Officer said be was informed that the supply to Mr Norton emptied the Springfield well in three or four hours, and here they got half-a-crown or five shillings for leaving a part of the town almost entirely without a domestic supply. Mr Llewellyn-And we have spent L100 in order to supply one private consumer. Mr J. WillialDe-It took all the Springfield water in the night. Mr Mostyn Dayies-I suppose we know the capacity of the Wellfield reservoir. The Chairman—What is its capacity ? Mr J. Williama-About 2,500. Mr Mostyn Davies-What did the meter ahow passing through it ? Mr J. Williams-We did not examine the meter. The Chairman-How long will this Springfield well take to fill again? Mr J. Williams-In three or four hours. The Towu Clerk-However, this is stopped now. The Chairman-Will the stopping of that remove this complaint ? Mr J. Williams-Oh, dear, no. The Chairman-But will what you have done give a proper supply? Mr J. Williams-Yes. The Chairman-Well, you can reply to the Local _1- Government Board that taere is a proper suppiy uuw. The Medical Officer said be doubted if the complaint was at any time justifiable. This did not affect Mr Morgan but for one day. If the water was turbid, he supposed it was because be was near a dead bend. Mr J. Williams-No, it is not. His wife is quite satisfied, but this Morgan is always complaining. Mr J. Lewis (Commerce House)-.Nir Morgan has several times spoken to me about the water. The Town Clerk-He is at the highest level, and in summer when the water falls short he is the first to feel it. The Chairmati-I think we are satisfied with the supply, but what about the quality ? The Medical Officer-Of course, all the water is more or less turbid in very dry weather, as you have no filter. beds. The Chairman-He says it is fall of insects. The Town Clerk-If you examine it through a micro- scope yoo will find insects, too. The Medical Officer said he drank it every day and drank nothing else, but never saw insecta in it. The most serious thing in the letter was this gentleman's j reference to what he (medical officer) had reported last year, and about which they had done nothing. The Chairman thought that at a recent meeting they ordered those streams from Penlan to be protected by having them covered over. The Town Clerk explained that the work of preventing the streams from being polluted was delayed from the man appointed by the owners of the property having failed as yet to meet him and Mr Hutchins according to promise. They had agreed to do it now at once and let the arrangement be made afterwards. One of the reporters, who also lived in the upper part of Union-street, being questioned as to the supply, said it was cut off a few hours daily during the dry weather, but it was net unexpected, and as to quality he believed it was better than during former dry seasons. The Chairman said the town clerk, with the informa- tion be now possessed, could reply to the Local Govern- ment Board. A letter was read from Mr H. Pritchard, new manager of the National Provincial Bank, asking that he be appointed treasurer of the corporation in the room of his predecessor at the bank, the late Mr J. W. Thomas. The minutes of tte late Market Committee and Public Works Committee were read and confirmed. There was a further conservation about Llangesnech coal. The plans for erecting the mortuary were directed to be carried out, notwithstanding the objection of Mr T. M. Davies that all the members should have three days' specific notice of this particular matter, and not merely of the fact that the reports of the Public Works Com- mittee to be considered. The Town Clerk gave a different interpretation of the I law, and Mr T. M. Davies asked to have his protest I entered on the minutes. On the motion of Mr Edwards it was resolved that I the surveyor should order three tons of Glyncorrwg I coal as an experiment. Mr Mostyn Davies objected to some payments made by the Finance Committee, and said they were depart- ing from their proper function as an audit committee. Mr William Morris said that was quite irregular, and such a legal formalist as Mr Mostyn Davies should not bring a matter of that kind forward without giving notice. Mr Mostyn Davies, in replying, charged Mr Morris with excessive juvenility, and hoped that as he grew older he would become wiser. A borough rate of 9d, a district rate of 2s 7d, and a water rate of 5d were made. Mr W. Morris complained about the difficulty of getting the engine when the fire occurred at Danyrallt, but The Town Clerk and others said they could not dis- pense with the regulation that the mayor, superin- tendent, or some authority should be informed before the engine was allowed to be taken outside the borough. The meeting then terminated.

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