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#*r CWntnru for ditcuuing matters ol l1 general it m..t.e dutindl "n4n,tliHHl lIt de not held our- telMi responsible for the opinions expressed br our ovrretpendentt. Care should >« taken t. avoid pertenalUtes. THE EPISODE AT B NHOR C-KTEIR DRAL 8IB,-I have followed the roptnre between the Chapter of Bangor Cathedral and their organist with Buatiiued and concentrated interest. Really tbe attitude and apotheosis practised by Pr. RotierBover this episode is astoan'linv and deplorable. Certainly to reflect upon his treatment of the Dean most be exasperating repulsive to all who are accustomed to polite society. He entirely forgets, or is lament- ably ignoraut of the reverenoe due to Christ's ordained ministers. Dr. Rogers has done all in his power, through the medium of the prese,to hold up the Chapter of Bangor Cathedral to publio opprob rium. This irrrpressible organist considers he has snpplied an admirable Ccmtus Fei-cnustotheLibera- t'onists upon which they will be able to:constraot natural and effective varitttiont-, and people are led to believe that owing ti the splendid and nnp- ralleled martyrdom which he has manifested the segregation of the Church from the State will take place with accelerated rapidity. How ludiorous and esoteric. It is puzzling how people of the nine- teenth oentury can allaw such abominable nonsense to whisper to them. There are musioians who have acquired eminence in their faculties, gentlemen who would show interest in their Chnrota work, Church- men worthy the name, ready to take up work at Bangor Cathedral, aud who oould compete easily with this mighty and phenomenal musical Paten- tate of the northern part of the Principality --I am, ?eo t eaor ernp ?r LONDON ORGANIST. December 9lb, 1891. AS CLEAR AS DAYLIGHT." SIB, Having had my attention called to a letter signed "One of the 600," and published in the ?(/M/-?<ImaytrMe)oyoQrcotumDBbeic<:ttee to all and iuflueoced by none, in order O,a' I caD oSerafewpreittuiotryremarkabywayotprtfao* before I touoh the letter in question. A writer in ,be DirectQr" starts this correspondence by Rain. back into ancient history to decribe the wretcbed squabbles conuected wi h the erection of the pavi- lion (between the author and these he had to deal witb). It tnrna out that the writer is the" anther" himself, who in crooked fashion thus writes about bimstlf, under the pseudonym For a' That." He oertainly uses coarse and insulting laoguage towards the townspeople, all of whom in his eyes are always ready to perseoufe and to be abusive. Than he goes deep down onder the pavilion, and trots cut his bean-ideal of a theatre, which he would cobble up out of tbe present swimming bath aad offer obeaplv to the direotors. Will they have it? I trow not without any suoh addition "hooked on the pavilion as it now etacdB is uncompromis- ingly ngly eiougb already. It would have been saffi- eieub if Far »' That" had given his views on the present position or fatnre prospects of a properly constructed theatre without any shaking np of the o'd dry boneB and unpleasant odoor surrounding the pabt histiry of the pavilion, and making that a peg on which to hang abase of the townspeople. What on earth the writer conld be thinking of te bring forward ti,, h absurdities about the wreck of the pavilion being so long prayed for coming at last to the delight of the multitude having all inoane grin of satisfaction on its countenance," I cannot oonjactarf. A letter from Observer" also appears in the Directory, but it il a mere echo of "For a' That;" both epistles might well have been conoucted together, and each endorses the other in speaking about oowards, bullies, eto., who hit below the belt. There are truly brave words comiufi from those who write or pretend to write from a safe distance under a pseudonym, and who bad not the pluck to sign their letters with s) much as the initial of a name. I dismiss them. Now, I was very much amused at the letter in the Adertiser, signed One of the 600." This writer, at the outset, depreoates abuse and personal remarks, and theu at ouoe etfces himself by writ- ing half-a-columu ef sourrility and misrepresenta- tion, and he is, moreover, irreverent enough te gloze auew his misrepresentations by introducing tbe name of the Supreme Bain, My letter, headed Aa clear as daylight," and pub ished iu the Di,,ect.,y, a,ya I ha,,o no fi,isse,al interest whatever in the proposed theatre or pavilioa. I never had, it One of the 600" misleads your readers, when he tells them I have no further interest in those affairs. Further, I am made to say 11 W. denits that theatres don't pay." Bat what I really said was no person of full age and competent understanding would believe 11 For a' That when be aaserts there is oelv one theatre (the Lyoeum) pays. As a resident, and one who take* an interest in the place, I think there should be at least one bailding of tasteful design and proper accommoda- tion erected on some suitable lite (I do not adveoate the site at the pier entrance as oeing most suit- able), but I should strongly object to a raske-shift tbat would only be a reproach to tbe town. But the joke of it is One of the 600 is cam- I pletely at sea as to the identity of W." It is easy to conclnde trom his reference to W." making all the columns of the pavilion popular, the absence of W." for one niyht bringing Me is. Riviere and all his band to confusion. Little Samson's fusilade of printer's ink, &0., as well as the feeble attempt at wit concerning summer and winter, only means a. Eliot at a clever journalist whose name begins with same initial as my own. I have no control over tbe fosilade of printer's irk, and don't possess a fiddle to keep going all the yfar. I feel a«te)ed, however, at b?n? put down as an editorial we." His effusion, therefore, i. so much matter in the wroua placl, and I should think the esprit de rorps which is said to exist amongst journalists will prevent suah stuff frotn being again "imitte,i into the c ilumns of a read- able newspaper. I enolose my card, and I am. ka W. P.S. The only apprriaoh to an argument attempted by One of the 600" is that wo love our cbnrches and chapels. But surely we don't go to ohurchee and chapels for amusement, which every- body wants occasionally. We throng those places ou Sundays. Duriog the week we want a little amusement now and again.

PIER THE-KTRE. 81&1 did not intend to address you on tbe I above subject again, bnt the letter of Mr Elias Jones, published in your laat week's issue, cen- straius me to return to the charge once more, mainly, bowenr ,for thi purpose of disproving some of his assumed faots, Mr EI\. Jones states It ia a matter or very great surprise that the direotors, who only by a bare majority carried their purpose as to ereoting a theatre, should persist in this verv doubtful scheme in face nf snch Btroug opposition." WF,ere, or from whoin, Mr Elias Jones g,it those supposed facte I cannot tell, I can only say they aro not to be found recorded in the hook* of the Pier Company, as the following suooinct history of this matter amply confirms. The question of building a theatre 011 the Pier's approach had for years been privafwly talked of among several numbers of the board, but it was not till the 9th Deoember, 1890, that thia matter was tabled for disomtioa,on the motion of Nlr Thoma, lViiii.,ne. The subjaot was most favourably entertained by efery member present, and a oommittee was appointed to consi Ifr the advisability of bnilding a theatre on the Pier approach, and to report their decision to au early meeting of the board. The committee consisted of Messrs Thomae Williams, William Bevati, B. Woodcock kG o. Woodley being added at a later etaca) and myself. At a full board meeting hold on the 13 h D<cember, the repor, of the committee, recommending that a theatre be built as proposed, w.9 read and unanimously adopted, and the oommittee was thereafter requested to consult an architect with a view to obtain all necessary details to lay before the board. Thie enquiry, of COUIIO, occupied a considerable &monnt of iim», bat eventually the committee, havill made up tbt?ir minds b"th as to the plan of the building and the means required to carry out the scheme, a special meet: no of the board wal heM on the 19?h of May, 1891, &I which Mr Daniel Arkell, of Birmingham (the arohitect approved by the oommittee) attecdid. The plans submitted by Mr Arkell to the meeting were,after a full and oartful enquiry, unanimously accepted by the board, and a resolution was afterwards pro- posed, aud unanimously oarried, that an extraor- dinary lellrl mseting of the shareholders ha con- vened with a view to obtain their approval of the soheme, and thsir consent to raise the capital required to carry it out. This extraordinary general meeting was held on the 16th of Tnne last, and the following resolution was Carrie 1 unani- mausly, viz That the oompany take immediate eteps to build a theatre on the company's land abutting on tbe Marine Parade, Llandudno, aud tbat the directors are hereby authnrise I to ob- in tendcr for the erection of the theatre in a^o irdanoe with the plana aad designB prpared by Mr Daniel Ark 11, of Birmin?hitm, aro hitect that the question tf raising the nnea??a,y rapib¡ be brought before the members of Ibs oompany in general meeting, j after tenders had been obtained.' At a meeting of tbe board, held 30ch of June last, a resolution was unanimously passed requesting Mr Arkell to pre- pare detailed plaus au1 drawiaga, and to obtaiu tenders for the construction of the building. At j this stage of our proceedings it was deemed ups, dient to ask Mr Chamberlain to oommonicate with I the Board of Trade quoad tbe erection of the pro- posed tht atre, and the Board of Trade, in response to Mr Chsmbsrlain's enquiries, stated in a letter dated the 26 h of Jane last that they bad no object- ions to off, 00 the 31it of August last, Mr Arkell's extended plana be:Hf laid before a speoial mmeting.,&f the board, and unanimously adapted,lie was instructed to snbmit the same to the Llsndudno Board of C >m- musioners for tbeir approval. Tha-Commissioners having rejsoted Mr Arkell's plane,, a special meeting of the board was held on the 9Lh of November, and Mossrs Pugh and Boue were instructed to apply to the Court of Queen's Bincli for a mandamus. This resolution was oarried ui animously, Mr Bevau bein2 the oaly member present who did not vote. As chairman of the Board of Commissioners he occupied, of course, a somewhat dcflioate position, and I consider he exercised a wise discretion in abstaining from voting. So much for Mr Elias Jones's facts now a word or tW) as regards his arguments. Although I consider that all if any validity have already been effectively answered by myself and others of your correspondents. Mr Eliaa Jones save that Lllln- dudno would be Llandudno without a pavilion, and that some of the mo-t prosperous seasons the town ever bad were enj >yed bef ,re the pavilion was built," and he might have added before even a railway from the JuuoiÏon was constructed. Well, doea this imply thfct it would be batter for Lb. duduo to go back to those halcyoo days when w* had neither pier, pavilion, mirin* drive, nor rail- road ? If it dose not imply this the argument is simple nonsense. Let me give an illustration. A shopkeeper wishing t > increase his business enlarges and beaullfies his premises, thereby making tbem more attractive and convenient for his customers, and by so doing doubles or trebles his inoome. Well, this is precissly what Llandudno a. d all other ?eridg phce; m 't do to attract viaitou who n6rwa atour customers and on wbnm we depend for bread and cheese. We must anticipate their progressive wants and wishes as they ari-e, and minister to theiroomforr, recreation, and amusement by every legitimate means in our power if we draw them in yearly increasing numberB to our shores. The number who at present anz)ual!y pay nR a vifit is pr)bably not less than half a million, and it is more esperitdly on their behalf that a good theatre is requirel. Surely this is not tlio tim.) to litlt in tli-i path of progress, whan competition is so keen, and when othar watering-places, far and near, are bestirring tnemselves to keep abreast of the times, So far as I understand Mr Jones, he does not object to a theatre in the abstraet, but to the situation where we proper to place it, although it is facile pi i^ctps the best and most convenient iu the town for those who would chiefly patronise it. viz., our visitors. Probably Mr Jon«s would prefer to e,e it placed bnyoud Ctaigydon. or on the Conwiy Bay, which, of course, would be equivalent to offering a man a stone who asks for bread. Neither dots Mr Jones object to a theatre on moral grounds, but I should like to know on what groanda the rasjority of tbe 600 who signed the petition based their objections. Considering the persistent way in which the peti tion wae hawked aSout the town for weeks, I was rather surprised that a larger number of signatures was uot obtained. Petitions, as we all know, can easily be g t up for almost any purpose un ler the sun if tlie organisers thereof aro sufficiently importunate ai.d perseve'iug, aud tb2 valas 01 a petition is Dot to be e^tin-ated M muoh by the number who .igll as by their soeial positiou and influence. Judged by this test I feel sure that no impartial persm looking over the list would hesitate to knock off a most liberal discount. Another of Mr Elias Jones's faots is that build- ing opetations have not been carried on to any larger extent since the erection ot the pavilion.' Of this however, he ives, a,3 usual, no proof what- ever, and I boldly assert that Mr Jonss is wrong again, us is proved by the fact that according to the census returns th "popalation of Llandudno increased mote rapidly during the lait, decade that. durin the immediately preceding one. In the ten years, 1871 to 1831, the rate>f increase was 3 3 par o-nt. per annum, while in the ten years 1881 to 1891 the rate of increase was 4'2 per cent, per auuuin. The resident population now numbers 7333, aad assnm- ing that the sAfTi. rate continues, the population Will number 11,113 at the end of the enrrent deoade; and no doubt the number of oar visitors would increase p rri pisstt T'th the iioreving uumber of residents. Mr Elias Ji.nes asserts that if property has increased in value duriug recent years it is in no wise due to the pavilion. For ray own part, I believe it is due to that cause mainly, and I found this opinion on my own sctual and personal experience. The property cf Ty Owyn Kewydd, which 1 bought a dozen years sgo at its then fnll market value, I conld now sell at nearly double the price I paid for it althongh much of the sea view and the Lltdl Orma fcuva bsen shut oat by the pavilion. TheHscr, is, it is next to impossible to plant a building almost anywhere in the town without altering more or less our neighbours' views. In such oases sendment must give way to practical utility, otherwise the world would come to a etand- mtill. I well remjmber when the Mitirie Drive was on the topis we bad to faoo no small amount of oPI"J,itiou to the scheme, and I wrote several letters to your Inper on tho subjeot, in combating the views of my antagonists. Mr Elias Jo,,ø Sto\tM that in opp)io the pre- sent projtot ot the Pier Company, he i.ctoted I by a SeD"' of duty, which I do not for a moment dispute, and I f?) ure h? is tq'j?ty r?iy to admit that I am similarly actuated. Mr Jones, however, seems to me to look at the matter from one point of view ehitflv, while I look at it from several. The pier shareholders, the town, snd the visitors, are each more nr less interested parties, and believ- ing, es I conscientiously do, that the building of the proposed theatre would equally bsnefit, all, I consider it is the duti of myself and ca-diriiotors to carry out this e'1hell1" in compliance with the man- date of 'be peop'ie'ors on whose behalf a heavy expense hAs already been incurred in oouneotion tlter."ith. -I am, 4J.. Warwick House, JAM!? NICOL, M.D. 7ih December, 1891.

CHRIST OOLLEGE, BRECON. It gives us great p'eani'e to announce that the first plaoe in tho recent scholarship examination at Bill ol College, Oxford has been obtained by Mr n. T. Davis, ti member of Chris C)i log,, Br,,con. It mav not b known to all our readers that the fir3t Balliol scholarship, which is awarded for classic?, history, and literature, is the very higheit d'stinc- tion which c;in be bv be, t public school. Every year something lik a hundred eandi dates from th- great public schools go up to Oxford to compete for the Balliol scholarships, three beirg offered annually, and to obtain the fiest place in the examination as Mr Davis bal dore, is to secure it t inmph which even the greatest sohools, such a Eton, Harrow, Winchester, Rugby &c., eag-rly oovet, and whioh nooe but ft few have suc- ceeded in seouring. We heaitUy congratulate Mr Davis, snd vre also congratulate Mr Bayfield the head-master of Christ College, on this brilliant success coining his first year's labours at the sehool. Mr Bayfield came among us with exceptionally hisrh credentials, but wi were scarcely prepared for his so soon securing for the Principality a diR. tinc^ion which it has never before obtained. We observe that tbe RPMnrl place in the examination was takon by Mr Greantree, a former pupil whom Mr Bayfield left in the sixth form at Halvero College on his dewtiKo from that, school a year asp. It Tnu-t lie se'dom that it is given to a head-master to combine two such snco<ss83 in one y=ar, and tb-y are a bright susrnry for the future of B-econ When Mr Bjyfiel i first cam among us, he said he wo»ld nit he atisi-d tintil the sohool took it- phos among the fi-st of the Il1\nlic sohools in the United Kingdom, a id Chriat College may certainly now be regarded as having t iketi a Ion? step towards the of this high ambition.—South Wales Daily News.

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LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD INQUIRY AT LLANDUDNO. IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS ON FINANCIAL MATTERS. The Llandudno Improvement Commissioners haying applied to the Looal Government Board by provisional order to partially repeal, alter, or amend the Llandudno Improvement Act, 1854, and the Llandudno Improvement Act, 1876 so as :-(I) To make the provisions of the Publio Health Act, 1875, as amended by the District Auditors Act, 1879, with regard to the audit of aceou, ts of local authorities, applicable to all the accounts of the said Commis- misaiout-rs, aud of their officers and (2) To make better provision for the redemption of the mortgage debt aud annuities mentioned in flections 12 and 27 of the said Looal Act. 187(5; and whereas it is pro- posed that a provisional order should be issued in compliance with the said application, and that it should contain provisions with respect to the borrowing and repayment of moneys borrowed or to be borrowed under the Baid local act., aod that it shall also make tuch alterations in the said local aot- and in any other looal act, or act, confirming any provisional order made in pursuance of anv of tbe sanitary aots, or of the Publio Health Act. 1875, in force in the said district, as may be neoeasary or desirable in connection with the objects of the said application and proposal, Mr Edmund Pearse Burd, one of the inspectors of the Looal Government B lard, fceld an ioquiry at the Commissioners' Otfices, on Friday,to inquire into the subject matter of the application. Amongst tblH6 present Wdi Mr William Bevau (ohairmau of the Commissioners), Messrs John Jones, Central Buildintts Job. Jones, The Cedars Richard Jones, Hagh F. Kail, Thomas Owen, Wil- liam Williams, S. Bartley, R. Bellis, Edwin Turner, T. T. Mirks, e, K, J MnMaster, A. A. Sarson, F. J. Sarson, E. P. Stephenson (surveyor), A. Coaclly (olerk), &c. THE MODS OF 4!PDIT OF LOCAL ACCOUNTS. -.2 ..1. The VJI.BBK, la Opening tnis QI8öU9f110D. tJt\HM "IHH the Commissioners .re aoiior the impression that it would be much bijlr that the whole of the account* shoull! be tudited by the public *aditor, | and iu October last yikar they made itu application to the Local Government lhiHd to iaiuc a provi- sional order. It Was deferred uatil this year because the time was oausidered iuopportune, A similar application had now b^en made, the qnei- tiou had been thrashed out, aiii the ratepayers agreed that it would be a fcood thing for the aocoanta all to ba audited by the district auditor instead of looal auditors. Mr MCMASTKR aked whethor the aoooauts had been audited merely so far as the Touchers of expenditure were concerned, or whether the audi- tors also ascertained that a minute of the Board had been passed for the expenditare before the money was expended. The INSPECTOR said that did not coma within the scope of the inquiry. As a m-itter of fact lec..1 auditors had no powera such as the district auditor had to see that the thing was properly audited, and with refereuej to changing from one account Vo another. Mr HALL: Tha.t is the main reason why Ihe Board would like a GoveruuiBot auditor-because looal auditors have no pClwr to ohallen^e. Mr Marks suggested that as the District Councils Bill wae likely to be introduced shortly, was it worth while going to the expeuse of making any alteration now ? In the uexs seaBiou of Parliament, aud probibly b3fore the Provisional Order could be framed, district councils would oome in and some other form be adopted. He did not object to the proposed ebangp, at all, and his remarks were oaly a suggestion, but he understood tbat the Government was pledged to bring in the District Connoil Bill next session. Tne INSPECTOR said there WAS glorious UBOer. tainty about it (laughter). Mr JOHN JaNEi (Central Building) 8TTD he did not thick it was worth while to adjoarn the pro- posed change f"r au uncertainty. Mr BEVAN said the ratepayers were in favour of it. The INSPSCXO* Does anybody present object to it ? Mr B. TURNER I, for one, hope the obange will be made at once. Mr MCJIVSTER had not heard anybidy in the town object to it. He had attended ratepayers' meet- ings to ask questions, and the answers had been very ousatUfaotory with reference to the acoounts. He thought the change in the audit very desirable indeed. They ought not to wait for the District Councils Bill. That would not affeot Llandudno. The IKSPECTIR It is very problematical whether the District Councils Bill will pass or not. But there is something in what Mr Marks says about the advisability of waiting, although the o, der will not cost muoh. MRJ. JONKS: We may save the expenea in one yeir's audit. Mr MCMASTBB I applied hero last Friday for a oupy of the particulars of the alterations desired in the acts in order thai they mi^ht be considered bdfo'3 this inquiry was held. I was tol 1 that there were no details of those alterations in existence, and I would suggest to you whether you ought not now to adjourn this iuquiry.until the Commissioners have supplied those details and the ratepayers considered them. The ratepayers are one body in the town and the Commissioners another as far as these matters are concerned. The INSPECTOR replied that a draft of the order would be sent down. It was not a usual thing for moli matters to be considered beforehand. Mr MCMA»TER When the order is sent down will it be at the disposal of the ratepayers ? Ths INSPECTOR I csnnot say. It will be sent to the Commissi,ouers for their oonsideratian. The) can allow the ratepayers to see it. This concluded the first portian of tie inquiry. THR MORTGAGE DEBR AND ANNUITIES. Mr MARKS said tnat the bulk of the money borrowed for water and gas purposes was bsing repaid by instalments in thirty yews. There were also the "debenture bonds, upon wnich interest wa* paid at 5 per cent.,and the ptirpetual annuities at 7 per cent, Mr J. JoHice The soope of the inquiry only relates to the annuities and the debenture bouds. The INSPECTOR You osu taki in more if you think fit. Mr BEVAN said they were anxious to have a sink. ing fund applicable to the redemption of the mortgage bands. Mr J JONEI We mtde an off or to the Local Government Board and they refused it. Mr BEVAN We aikel to be allowid to insert a depreciation fund in our own securities to redeem Bome of the mortgige bonds. The INSPECTOR I do not think the board would have powar to sanction that. The clause seta forth that the depreoiadon fund is for the psrpoBe of water and gas works-for some eioeptisnal expenditure. Mr HALL And more than that, I think it ie undesirable that a depreciation fund should housed for paying the debts of the bowJ. Tue depreci- ation fund is to meet an aocident that may happen. If an accident happened and the money we spent fertile debts of the Board we should have nothing to fall back upon." The INSPECTOR said he knew the Lieal Govern- ment Board favoured the idea of a local authority setting aaide a sinking fund aud a depreciation fund, but a depreciati JU fund ouiht to be oalled a reserve fund. Mr MOHASTEB: Our depreciation fund ought to reaoh £ 5000 before it stops. He went on to onnteud that there had been a great amount of illegality in fie borrowing of money. The Act of 1878 in its preamble recited that the Commissioners hd made estimates of the amount required for tbe purposes of tho Act, and that the amount was £ o'J,0G0. Immediately after it was found from the aocounti thai they had borrowed no less than JE72 000 or £ 73,000 uuder th# clauses of that act. The liability of the old gas company bad nothing to do with it. Mr MARKi Nonsense. Mr J. JONES: The C50,000 waq required for another porpoae altogether, in the development of the gas and water worke after pnrchase. The 917,500 perpetual anuuitieB and L4250 debenture bonds was the purchase money paid by the Cora- raisiiouere to the old compuuy. The 950,000 was for the development, of the coucern. Mr MCMASTitR: The act says that the a««regate was £ 50,000. The INSPECTOR It is an absolute faot that the £50000 is different from the S4250 and the 217,500 Mr MARKS: Would any sharp London lawyer reootnmend lending more money than von have power to borrow ? (laughter). The £50,000 was beiug reoaid by annual instalments. M, MCMASTEB said that at the annnal meeting in 1890 he called att-mtion to the fact that interest was being paid on capital not shown in any of titi sooounts. n., was told it w&i interest on the £ 17,500 und £ 4250. This year that, snm, £ 22,000, appeared in the statement, of the Commissioners 228,990. Heobjeated very Btrongty to that sum being | permitted to stand as it appears now. The lNgPZCTIU That is a matfc-r entirely for the Commissioners. You must take the value of the shares in the market. Mr MCMASTER That brings me te another point. It will necessitate an inqniry as to the re-valuing them in the sooounts. The re-value of these iannuities is greatly enhanced. According tJ the I aoooanti of ,tbe board they show a profit of S500 last year on the water itni gas. I contend that they have Dot made a single penny bat rathera loss. For some years they have taken from E1000 to 91400 from the improvement rate to make good tbe deficit on the gas and water underiakiug [Mr Job. If the thing was taken at its true market valoe theIa ie a loss, therefore the value of tne&e annuities would have to be con- sidered as annuities belonging to a oonoern not '? '?he INJECTOR You are tabouriug under tdeta sion. The seven per cent. is charged on the rates a. well a on the gas undertaking, and until the rate is not suiffcient to pay the annuities it doea not matter whether the gas works are making a profit Mr J. JoNps: I think Mr MoMaster's statement is entirely misleading and is outside the scope of tho inquiry. It implies that we are really taking credit for the enhanced value of the annuities. We simply baBe the oapitalised value of the annui- ties at 7 per cent. Tbe annm'ies represent £ 17,500. The is P24 640. Mr HALL: When these annuities have to be paid, and we oanuot agrea, we have to go to the president of the Society of Actuaries iu London. We have nothing to do with it. Mr MCMASTER Have you any power to bellr any eomplainta about the approp-iation of the public rat a ? (Ikuglter). Tbe INSPECTOR Certainly not. Mr J JoNiti Might I asle you what our detaalt is in tbe past ? The act states thai we are in sixty years to prcvidfl a sinking fund sufficient, to pur- chase the annuities so a9 to extinguish them. We have failed to do so, and are defaulters for seven years. What power have tha Board above to make ,is ..k. tht default Roo'l? The INspEcroB All I have is a letter written on the 31st Oc-ober, pointing out that yon propose to set aside £ 250 a year to meet the deficiency. I tak# it that the Looal Government Board wrote that yea were not setting aside a sinking fund, that you wrote proposing to settiai; aside £ -50 a year, and they wrote you were not sstting a-ude sufficient. You have not complied with the provision* of the act. a° Mr J JoNEi The Commissioners want the water and gas to be saddled aa lightly aa possible in annnal payments, Tho INSPECTOR: You want as long a time as pos- sible to make the repayments in. Mr HALL calculated the seven years default as amounting to £2400, and the mortgage debt I that was t[lkn ovor was E4000. If they were called upon to pay R6000 in tnntp it would ba very hard on the ratepayers. The ratepayers for the last seven years had been let off from paying their share of it. It had been suggested if the Inspector thought proper to reoommead it, that instead of paying one-sixtieth as the Aot provided, they having been in default seven year8, now ba allowed to piy one-fiftieth during the remaining part of the term. That woufd ease tbe payment for the ratepayers aunually, ant at the same time be suflioient to satisfy the Local Govern- ment Board that, they were desirous to make up for the deficiencies of the past; and that annually one fiftieth should be appropriated t) takiug tip the mortgage bonfls and annuities as they could be picked up, or as the Commissioners could make arrangements to pay them. Mr J. JONES: Mr Hall's statement does not repre- sent the opinion of the C Immissioners as set forth at the meeting last night. Mr HALL: Mr BoUis's schema and mine were approved, Mr Hall's statement was only in part m agreement with the views of the committee Mr R BELLIS said that th;, suggestion adopted by the commistee was that they should ask the Looal Government Board to tjive them power to borrow a sum sufficient to redeem tbe annuities at the present time; t,) tike steps to asoertain the value of the annuities now and redeem them with the borrowei money, anel thllt; tbe sum borrowed Bhoul l be repayabl) by annual instalmsnts during the ensuing fifty years. They would thpg pnt the matter on a definite basis. Tbe INSPECTOR That is a good plan. t Me J JONES was sorrv to diff-;r from the views ot the majority of tbe committee. By their scheme it was intended to borrow money fur the purchase of the annuities for the sum probably no less than £ 35 000. That amount at 31 per oent. interest would mean the sum of E1561). or 9360 a year above tbe annual payment for the annuities now at 7 per cent. He-was also donbtful whether the annuities oould be even purchased at that amount, as the security was good and the rate of interest in the I money market low. He also objecte I to the scneme because it would weaken the borrowing powers of the Board, which were already exhausted but in one sum of L1550 On their present rateable value they Mnlrt hnrrow but very little more. As in the near future they would probably rtqmre consideranie sums of money upon loan upon neoessary future improvements, they would he placed in a most difficult position. He felt that if the Water and G, Committee was burdened with the default of the past, and thereby necessitated to raise the price of eas, it would be great mistake, A, they lowered the price of gas;the consumption increased, and tho proifts as well. The INSPECTOR The Act speoifies that yon set aside a certain sum annually. Mr J. iONFl My suggestion is that we should be allowed to pay off the deficiency in a rpa,onable term of years, and start now to make the annual rep"yments .1 9176. ??S?M? 1 Why not ask to be !eto<ft)tose:her ? ''#h Mr JONES That would be all the better (langhter). ?' ??PEOTM That is what Mr Jcnes really wants (much laughter). Mr BEVAN We were to pay it off in sixty years, Ten years have passed. Why uot pay it off now in fifty years ? Mr MCMASTER As an independent ratepayer I want to say that we are robbed every year in order to enable the (he and Water Committee to supply gas at a a eh islp rate, The IN'SPECTOR I cannot go into that question. Mr hC VIASTER It bears upon the question. The INSPECTOR You must go before the district auditor with that. I oannot allow it here. \[r MCMASTER: la making thi amendment of thi. Act, I wish to point out that the ratepayers who use gas, and those who do not are mulcted in order to make good the insufficient charge made for uas They are sellin gas for ciokiug purposes at 1, 31 per 1000. That is less than it oosts them. Thev are charging 2520 to the ra es for illumtna- ting the streets. That is largely in excess of the cot of the undertaking. In 1888 they charged E300 for watering the streets and sewars. The IMSFBCTOB I oannot go into that. Mr J. JONES Will you in your indulgence allow me to answer this gentleman ? (laughter). The INSPECTOR No, I cannot do it. Mr JoNiti: Thera are reporters present, and it is a pity for saoh a multiplicity of mis-statemeuts to go to the Press. ?" ]?r BFLtlg con??iderad that Mr J. Jones a proposal would relieve the ratepayers for the present, bnt would put off to another day an increased burden for the ratenltyers to bear. At the meeting on the previous evening a great difficulty was to ascertain the value of the annuities at, the preent time. They practically doubled it, and made it 234,000. The iNsPECToa I should like te know what they are worth in the market. The CLERK E17 in the m-ricat. Mr BRVAN I will give 919 fo- them. Mr MARKS They are wonh £20. Mr J. JONES said the greatest objection he had h. Mr B"Uia's sobeme was that it saddled the Water and Gse Committee with a sum repre-entiag i:360 more than was paid per centage for the annuities al.*o that the calculation of his tcheme was b >Red in supposition without a osrtainty as to value and, no doubt, aft'r this inqniry th- annuities would be coniidttribly boomed. He differed with Mr Beiiia as to the enhanoed value of the annuities Mr Jonea went on to oontend that by his suggestion they would be enabled to pay lesi now, and would extinguish the annuities ia the time ramtioned by the Act. Mr MARKS concurred with Mr Bellis s view, and should be prepared tn support it. Mr Bellis had pat a liberal price on the annuities, provided the mor.ey cout 1 be borrowed at 3i per cont. for flft, years. The annual repayment would be £1500. The amount they were now paying in interest was R1232. Mr JOKES (Cedars): I am in favour of Mr Bella's tchems. I should like to say two or three words as to the price of eas. The INSPECTOR I do not wxnt Ie hear that (Iau!!bt8r), ? JONES Then I hope no one *e will mention selling the eas for the raaximum p-;oe «S«n. Mr MCMASTER supported Mr Bedis but said that if the annuities were to be redeemed a suflfieient amount of money shoul 1 he oharged for the produce of tli, un(lortilki iR to redeem th-m. Gai non@tim,re ought not to be allowed to have gas below the cost of producing it. The INSPECTOR It is no use to re-assert that. Mr MARKs As one who knows as mu 'h shout the town as anybody else I can say that Mr Mckisattr is entirely wrong. Mr J. JONES (Ceptral Build 19a) pointed out that I in the near fntare they would lose a considerable revenue. They were now receiving E700 from the Celwyn Bay and Cenway authorities for watir. Those authorities had gone in for a sclums of their own, and, of courts, that revenue would be a considerable loss to the concern. They had not at any time old the gas at suoh a pries as to be a loss necessitating falling baok on the rates, and at no tims had the rates con- tributed anythiag to the water and gas concert). If the gas coaeuraers bad paid The iNspscroa: I cannot allow you to go into that (laughter). Mr hfCMAiTRIL Acooncti oanaot tell lies. The lnepzcron: I deu't know abunt that (great laughter). Mr Mo MASTER: I know they are well soaked (more laughter). Haviog been supplied with details as to the rate- able value of the district, the population, out the rates, the Inspector olosed the itiquiry, and will report to the Local Government Board. On the motion of Mr Bevan seconded by Mr Jones (Central Buildings) a vote of thanks was passed to tbe Inspector.

COLWYN BAY LOCAL BOARD. MONTHLY MEETING. Thia was held on Tuesday at the Board-room, the Rev. W. Venables Williams (chairman) pre- siding. There were also present Mestra Caarlea Frost, Jobs Porter, Tnomas Parry, B. Piwell, A. O. Walker, William Jones, Joha Roberts, Owen Williams, James Wood, George Bevan, with the clerk (ktr T. E. Parry) aud the surveyor (Mr William Jones).-The minutes of tile previous meeting were read and passed. THE VICAR'S VARIOUS ENGAGEMENTS. The CHAIRMAN said, in referenoe co tie interview the B )ard had atked for with the Railway Com- pany respecting the subway, the Surveyor hid received a letter from Mr Hull stating that him- self and Mr Chambers, oue of the directors, wo ild arrange to be at Got -ya Bay on Tharsday moruing that, week at eleven o'clock, and requesting a reply to be telegraphed. Tne CHAIRMIN It is rather awkward for me. I have a wedding at eleven o'clooll on Thursday. I must try to persuade them to get married earlier or later. Mr FROST Get tbam to put it off, sir. The CHAxRm,N: What Is that your advice? I'll tell hlrs Frost (laughter). You go apaa Mr teller's advice, Mon't." Mr PORTER: Bewar# of the widdan (laughter). TheCaAmmn: It is not a widow and it was pat oS t?o or tbre* yeara ?o. Cunouf thing your remarks should have been made. Tbe Board decided to meet the representatives of the Railway Company, and wirtld to that effect. THE CLERK OF WORKS AND THE OLD PARLIAMEN RART BAND9." The clerk of the works of the subway, Mr NVot stencrofr, having resign* I, it was reported that the chairman of the Works Committee and the chair- man of the Biard kad appointed Mr Samuel Roberts, Stockport, in his stead. Mr J. PORTER wished to allude to the talk which had taktit place resipseling the appoiutlnent. He wished to explain that the surveyor came up to him and oomplained that the clerk of the works had been absent from his work, and that he came to the offioe the worse for drink and gave notice. His notice was taken, so tiat he di-mised himself, Mr Porter addtid that insteid of being condemned by the committee and the Board tbe aotion of the chairman and himself was for the best interests of the public and ought to bti approved. Mr J. RoBZRTd The eleotiou of another man instead of notifying the Board was what we con- sidered wrong. Mr PORTER I asked onr surveyor who was the best man to appoint, and I heard from others that Mr Roberts was the bast. I have no personal interests to serve, The CHAIRMAN I am bound to explain my position in the matter. The surveyor reported to .ne in the presence ot Mr Freat the way in which Ilr Wolstan- croft was going on, and tbat he was very much nealeatiug his work. I said the proper way w..s to g) to the chairman of the committee. I went; with him to the surveyor at onee. tie agreed that the man onght to be removed. It was a very important matter as regards this Board—tbat we should have a reliable person seeing after the cementing work going on at the foundation of the bridges to the subway. It was not advisable to have a person absent wham we should rely upon as our sya, ovar- leoking in the matter. If you, gentlemen, think prtpertopttaa. voti of censute either on Mr Porter or myaelf in committee, or if you think proper to pass a vote and then withdraw it, I think it is an extremely ungenerous act, beoause if a chairman of a board or oommittee has not a ce, t *in amount of discretion left to them, are you going to call a Board together for the dismissal and engagement of every scavenger working for your Board ? I have been a chairman many years and know what responsibiiity is attached to it, and I think it is au ungracious act for two young members of this BOllord to think proper in oommictee to pAss a vote of oensure. They have to learn taeir apprenticeship before they venture to piss a vote of oensure upon very old parliamentary hands like Mr Porter and myself. The report wF reo-i ved regarding this man was an utter neglect of his work. Here was a man whom Mr Booth bad employed and reported that he was an excellent man and desirable in every respect, and the new clerk is doing his work admirably, and will be found to do his work to the sauafaoiiou of the Beard. It i. a pieoe of good fortuue that we have such a man to look after our interests, as now is the most important time to look after the founda- tion of the Bubway. Mr WILLUM JONES said that nobody ever thought of moving a vote of ceusure on the chairman. The only question that came op was-how is it that this man weut away ? But nobody ever dreamt of moving a vote of censure. Mr OnoRaz BRVAN, in reply to the chairman, said he did not look upon a clerk of the work-i si a scavenger, but as an officer of the Board. If two members or the ohairman had powar to dismiss a clerk of works and elect auother, they had pever to dismiss all the other officers wil hoot oonsnlting any of the members of the Board. It is that point of view that has been taken by the young members. Mr WonD: It was not that point of view at all. The resignation bad been sent in, and we have nothing to do with it. Mr PORTEB He was not dismissed. Mr BEVAN I aeknowl-dge that. Bat the new clerk of work, was appointed in his stead. If the clerk of work- had run away and left his work, the proper thing f)r the surveyor to do was to oall a speoial meeting to consider the situation, and not 10 go to two members. I look npon onr chairman as the managing director of this concern. I should be glad if he would take greater interest and see that the resolutions, &o., passed by the Board are properly oarried out by the officers. The whole Board should have been consulted in this case. We are expeoted to be responsible for these eleotions, and I do not believe in being tbe fifth wheel of the ooach. I fail to find any mot've for this except the tadeavt ur of the two gentlemen in question to serve the tJ..e\ interests of the ratepayers. I do not quarrel with what they have done, but with the mo le of doing it. Mr ROBERTS: What is the trade of the new clerk of works ? The SCELVRTOR He is a j liner, bnt has been engaged for thirty years as a clerk of works at Mane iester. Mr ROBERTS Does he know anything about rubble work ? The Survetoh His acts th^w that he does. Mr ROBERTS I should like to see his testi- monia1e. The CHAIRIHN The best way is to give him notice to 111 the conversation which followed it traaspired that the new clerk of works had done his work exceptionally well. Mr ROBERTS said that two or three years ago the chairman would not allow them to eleot a scavenger wiihout the knowledge of the B ard. Mr WAIJEEB I propose that w* proceed to the next btisimess. This was agreed to. THE RATE". Borne conversation snsued as to the liahility of ratepayers who oconpy houses part, of year. It was agreed that ratepayers in future he liable from the date of occupation to the following -25tia March. The COLLECTOR told some snee,to,e. of the dlli- culty he had to get rates in sometimes, and now slur h* had to be occasionally to get tb# money at 101: jt was remarked that people had got the idea they could not be compelled to pay th) rates until the 25th March, which was entirely wrong. The CHAIRMAN thought their collector ought to be commended upon his 1, diamond cut diamond qual fi ations. Mr BBVAN moved and Mr OWBN WILLIAMS seconded, that three days' notice be giveii to allY ratepayer before summoning before the magistrates Mr WALKER: And then what will become of the statement at present on the detrand note ? The resolution was negatived by a large Bsajoritv. Oil,, r business not of general interest was tran- sacted. I

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