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ALIEN PILOTS. I i t ————— K Swansea M.P. in I t Important Debate. I » I > Government Defeat. I i The question of the licensing of a-lien djjfciots was responsible for the defeat oi fiite Government in the House of Com- inons yesterday, and a prominent part was played by Mr, James Wignall, M.P., a Swansea Labour official. On Clause 4, which provides that no alien shall hold a pilotage certificate for any pilotage district in the United King- I dom, Mr. Shortt moved to amend the clause j "fry adding at the end exeept in the cases for which special provision is made by the Pilotage Act, 1913." He said the question was thoroughly threshed out at a Convention held between our- selves and France, and the agreement came to was embodied in the Act of,1913, and was mutually satisfactory parties. Mr. Wignall (Lab, Forest of Dean) op- pos J the amendment. It was his firm conviction, he said, that British ships had been sent to the bottom by aliens I who held pilotage certificates in the I British Isles. Captain Stanley "Wilson (Co. U, Hol- derness) joined in the appeal to his right I "hon. friend to withdraw the amendment. If it was pressed to a division he would feel compelled to vote with the Labour Party. Sir A. Geddes (President of the Board of Trade) said there sesiued to be some mis- conception on this matter. The position was that there were now 24 masters of vessels engaged in what might be called a lerry service, who were not British and I who had a right to pilot their ships into two ports only, Grimsby and Newhaven. That number could not possibly be in- creased. None of these individuals were Germans, or Ausfcrians, or subjects of any I of the nations with whom we had boen at war. Certain of them held certificates t granted before Jjine ]st, 1908. Those eer- tiScates might be kept alive for the use of those now holding them, but they could not be renewed. MR. BRACE AMAZED. I Mr. Braoe (Labour, Abertillery, said he I was amazed both at the proposal of the Government and at the speech of the right hon. gentleman. It would be difficult to realise from his remarks that we had just been engaged in a great war. This was not a question for the Government, but for the House of Commons and the nation. We were an island people, and our great bulwark was the water surrounding us. Sir F. Banbury (Co. TJ. City of London) suggested that the amendment should Had "except in the case of France, to which country the special provision made by the Pilotage Act of 1913 shall apply." Mr. Shortt the Government were prepared to accept the words suggested by Bir F. Banbury. Sir W. Rutherford (Co. XT., Liverpool, Edgehill) said at the outbreak of war there were no fewer than nine Germans holding pilotage certificates in this coun- try, and he had not the least doubt that tr.v, and h(3 had n<)t I. some of them guided the enemy's sub- marines which destroyed many of our hips. A pilot's certificate should only be granted to a British-born subject. (Rear, hear.) THE AGREEMENT WITH FRANCE. I Sir A. UE'dd. replying to Sir W. Joyn- Inn-Hicks (Co. U., Twickenham), said the Government could not depart from their agreement with France, under which tl)'* trade of this country received something of great importance. He was advised that no complications would arise with record to other countries. THE HOSTILE VOTE. i Sir F. Banbury's amendment to the amendment was agreed to. The House divided on the amendment as amended, and there voted: For the amendment .I. 113 Against 185 Majority against. 72 The announcement of the figures, show- ing a defeat of the Government, was re- ceived with loud cheers Mr. Parker (Lord of the Treasury) and ,Liput.-Col. G. F. Stanley (Co.-U., Pres- ton) were the tellers for the amendment, ,1- and Mr. Wignall (Lab., Forest of-Dean) and Mr. Inskip (Co.-U., Bristol Central) against. Mr. Bonar Law rose at once, and said: In view of the decision just announced, i I beg to move that the further considera- tion of the Bill be postponed. The motion was agreed to and the house adjourned until Monday. In connection with the question at issue, the" Times" of to-day contains an interesting letter from Capt. W. J. Davies, of Swansea, in which he says:- "Nature has been good enough to pro- vide us with an island home, which ii j sensibly used is protection itself. I re- t'er to the shallows, the sandbanks, and other impediments of navigation in our estuaries and leading to our seaports. The navigation of such should be in the hnnds of Britigh-born pilob. and it is up to the aiirl it is 111) i-, file public to see that our politicians no longer side-slip this all-important matter."

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