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CARMARTHENSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL. Statutory Meeting. This Council, as new ly c liiititu,ed, met at the Shire- hall, Carmarthen, on Saturday afternoon, Mr John Lloyd, Penybanlr, its the ebair. There were also present Mr Gwilym Evani, Llanelly; Rev. W Thomas, Whitlaiici, Mr Josejin Joseph, Llangennech: Mr David Evans, Llan. enun;h Pt k Sir Lewis Morris, Penbryn; Mr U K Morris; Mr .hWOIj John; Mr T. E. Brigatocke; C'lootl Lwt!lj, LHnuewydd; Mr W. N. Jones, Tiryda-1: Mr H Jones Davi-s, Glyneiddan; Mr John Jotlnki, Parceithin Mr D'wid Davies, Cenarth; Mr David Davie*. Linnd -bie; Mr John Lewis, Meiros Hall; Mr Daniel Wa>kins Liand -ery; Dr R. Thomas, St. Clear-i Mr D. 0 Parry Llanelly; Mr John Williams, Lianitinnint; Mr Daniel Stephens, Kid- welly 001 G «\ tm • Hughew, Glancothi; Mr J. Scoarfield, Bl«^nw< rnddu Mr William Davies, Llan- gadock; Mr R W. Stephen, Coedybrain; Rev T Johns, Capel Alm, Rev William Da-i^s, Llandilo Mr Mayberry, Llaneilv Mr J. i-k Wii ihtn«, Llanelly; Mr Alfred Stephens, Ki i volly Mr Tbornas Jones, Llan elly; Mr P *< U .J" {'yngbc.rdy¡ Sir James Drnmmond. Bart. Li> ur. (iron S r James Hills-Johnes, V.O., G C B. Mr J'tme. Reee, Talgarth Mr Jenkins, ..Alltycadon; Mr H J. Tho:aa». Uwfynyfld Mr T. F. Jones, C nwl Caio. Dr tiowt-11 R,s, Glangarnant; Mr John RH8 D:)Igwm; Mr M.,rgatt Jones, Llanon; Earl Cawd r; R.tv. A, F. Mi ls. Carmarthen; Mr Ben ISvans, Rhydycymmfn Mr John Thomas, Tanlan Mr David C,,tRtetldrgifing; Mr W. Jones, Llandilo; Rev J tT. Re s, Burry Port; Mr Divid, Llanelh Mr David Davies, Rhyblid; Mr T. Jones, Penronw; Mr J. L! Thomas, P'ntardnlais; Mr Bonvill. Ijlnn'-l'y Professor .1cn,-ii; Mr Joseph Williams, Llanbli Mr T Barrett, Cro-s Va1" Mr J. D. Mors Llaudawke; Mr Wiikins, Purry Port Mr Bowen, Trelech Mr T Pbiiiip-, 1,11117 Hv: Mr John Bevan, l,lanstidwrn Mr Re s, L'iiDgenneoh also the clerk (Mr T. Jcu-s) and deputy-ilerk (Mr Douglas Jones). Election of Chairman and Vice-Chairman. The Coun«"t h..1i n the firt.t instance to elect a chair- man for the ensu-ntr vf ar The r,iirir,g chairman, Mr John Lloyd, said he had -very much pleaqu,o ip proposing tbat Mr Joseph Joseph, Llangenne h be their airman ior the ensuing year (hear hear). He 1-n-w that in propoeing bim he was proposing a name that was acceptable to them all. He had made an ex"nllent vice chairman, and he was -sure he wouid cooduot the business exceedingly well (hear, hear). H", hud srreat pleasure in proposing that Mr Joseph be their chairman. Dr H well Reeit seconded, and the motion was carried -unanimously. Mr Joseph Joseph, having takf n the chair, said-I 'think my first dutt is to move a vote of thanks to the retiring chairman for the able manner in which he has presided over the deliberations of this Council during the past year, and the faithful manner in which he has attended the meetings. In looking over the list I find that be has not lost a single meeting (hear, hear). I beg to move that, a vote of thanks bi given Mr Lloyd. Mr James Rf-es seconded, and the motion was un. animously oarrid. Sir Lloyd said-I beg to thank you very much tor -your courtesy and great kindness to me during the last twelve months, when I had the honour of acting as chairman of this Council. At first I thought I bad a very difficult task befqre me. With your co-operation. however, and grsat kindness, it became a very easy "matter indeed. I shall always look back upon and ,cherish very pleasant recollections of the time that I occupied the chair of this Council. I again thank you -very sincerely for the great assistance you have rendered me in carrying out the duties of the chair during the past 12 m nthe. The Chairman then said—I beg now to thank you 'Very much for the great honour you have bestowed on me in electing me your chairman for the ensuing year. I promise I will do my very best, and I hope, with your assistance, to carry on the work of the Council economically and efficiently. I say economically because I hope there will not be introduced any great new works. Really we have a lot in hand, and I hope during my year of office that we will be able to carry some of them out atid complete them. I am afraid that next time the rates will go up. At our meeting yester- day of the East Carmarthenshire Committee our Sur. veyor asked for 50 per cent. from the Finance Committee more than last year. If it continues like that the next rise will be the rates. I hope to carry on the work this year efficiently and economically. I now call upon you ito elect a vice-chairman. Mr John Lewis, Meiros Hall, said he had great Treasure in proposing for the vice-chair a young gentleman whom he knew would be acceptable to them all, and that was Mr Henry Jones-Davies, of Glyn- eiddan (hear, hear). He was one of the hardest work- ing members of the Council. They knew that on the Finance ho had been very active. In fact he had attended more committees than anyone excepting the chairman. He had great pleasure in proposing him to ;fill the Doet. Mr John Rees, Dolgwm, seconded, and The motion was carried. Mr Davies begged to thank the Council for the honour they had conferred upon him. He could assure them that he appreciated the honour, and he felt that no persons would appreciate his election to the vice-obair more than the electors of the division whom he had the honour to represent there. He also begged to thank the mover of tha motion for the kind words he had said in regard to him. He thought that he would be inter- preting their falling as they bad already heard from the mover, that they had elected him to that position on account of the services he had rendered in the past. The services he had rendered had always been to him a labour of love (hear, hear). He would do his best to consult tfceir wishes, and would endeavour to be sub- missive and subservient. He only hoped when the time did arrive that he would merit the confidence which they had placed in him (hear, hear). Election of Aldermen. I The next business was to elect eight aldermen to serve on the Council for the ensuing six years. The voting resulted as follows: Mr Bevan, 48 Mr H. J. Thomas, 48 Mr Joseph Joseph, 45; Mr Daniel Stephens, 45; Sir Lewis Morris, 44; Mr Thomas Watkins, 44 Mr Maybery, 34; Mr Augustus Brig- stocke, 29; Mr W N. Jones, 26; Mr John Rees, 11 Mr John Phillips, 5; Mr Wilkins, 2; Mr D. Davies, 1; Mr John Lewis, 1; Mr W. Davies, 1. The first eight were declared elected. The Council then adjourned. The Rowdy Meeting at Llandilo. Motion by Mr. C. E. Morris Rejected. Upon re assembling, Mr C. E Morris said he took the first possible opportunity of moving in a matter that was eBeentjaJlv of great importance to the Council as a body. The Council was a respontiible body, and it had-it certainly ought to have—the entire trust of the electors, the ratepayers of the county. He was desirous of moving the suspension of Standing Order No. 4, for the purpose of bringing in a motion which I he was going to move. He observed that he felt some anxiety for the Council's good name. When they considered that they were sunt there by over 26,000 electors, and were entrusted with the care of property of considerable value, he thought they should feel a certain pride in being members who had been sent I there by the ratepayers Personally, he felt regret and I' remorse at anything that tended to depreciate or degrade the character of the Council as the leading administrative body in the county. It must be within the recollection of all of them thit the proceedings at a recent meeting at Llandilo were characterised with much noise and disturbances, and if they bad not been guided by a strong chairman, the whole business of the county must have been brought to stand-still. The unfortunate conduct of some of the members tended to paralyse the whole business of the county, and they would have been compelled to have abandoned the meeting, and bring the whole proceedings to a total collapse, if their chairman had n t been so sir ng as he was. He did not wish to say a wqrd that would do harm, but it bad appeared to him for some time past that there bad been a distinct desire on the part of some of tbem-but he was ghd to say they were very few-to d^r oiate and degrade the proceedings of the Council into something between the vulgar chatter of a bar p rlour and the noises produced by rival oheap jacks (laughter). It really came to that. He thought it was the feeling of the large majority that all these proceedings must come to an end For that purpose, he begged to move the suspension of Standing Order No 4, and he would then move an additional order, of which he had already given them some private notice. This order Mr Morris proceeded to read, and it was to the effeot that if any member or members of the Counoil should, at any of its meetings, conduct himself or themselves in a manner apparently intended to obstruct the busies, the chair- man for the time being should be requested to decide whether such conduct was so intended, and if he ruled that it was, the offending member or members should be formally warned by him, and if such conduct was repeated, the chairman should debar such member or members from recording his or their votes, and if such conduct was continued, he or they should be suspended until further notioe; that this should be recorded in the minutes of the Council, and that a copy of the Order should be sent to the chairman of the Parish Council in the division which the offending member or members represented on the Council. Mr Morris did not think there was anything in that that could be objected to, and be trusted that in the proceedings of the Council in the future, order and obedience to the chair would be the rule. Mr John Lloyd seconded. Mr Gwilym Evans said he had had a long experience on the Council, and he did not think their proceedings had been characterised by very much noise. A resolution of the k'nd named would be an insult to the Council and to the county (hear, hear). It was a matter of great surprise to him that it was brought forward. What they wanted was a strong ebair(nan a man who understood his work. He had bad the honour of occupying the chair and the vi^e-chair, and be never knew a single member at any time disobey the chair. A resolution of that kind would be a reflection on the Council and the county, and it would be a pity if this question of suspension should be considered for one moment by the Council. He begged to move that I they should not consider the question. Mr Alfred Stephens seconded. He held, with Mr Gwilym Evans, that what was necessary was a strong chairman. It all depended upon him, and no one else If the chairman ruled firmly, everything would be all right. Mr David said they were discussing the additional older," when the Standing Order had not been sus- pended. Such a motion they were not competent to adopt till the existing order had been suspended. The Chairman proceeded to take the vote. Twelve held up their hands for the suspension of Order No. 4. • • Those against" were far more numerous, and it was deemed unnecessary to count. The discussion then closed. Appointment of Committees, &o. I The following were appointed to act on the Standing I Joint Committee of the Council and Quarter Sessions: — Mr Gwilym Evans, Mr John Johns, Mr Thomas Jones; Mr W. N. Jones, Mr Joseph Joseph, Mr Maybery, Mr Scourfield, Mr John Rees, Mr H. J. Thomas, Mr J. Ll. Thomas, Mr J. Thomas. Tanlan Rev. William Thomas, Mr Thomas Watkins, Sir Lewis Morris, Rev. William Davies. The Council's representation on the Committee remains practically the same. Mr Scourfield is the only new member. He takes the place of Mr John Phillips, who has ceased to be a county councillor. Mr Scourfield was opposed by Mr J. Williams, Llanginning, and Mr Daniel Stephens. He secured, however, large majorities over both these gentlemen. It was decided that, as hitherto, the whole Council should constitute the Main Roads and Bridges Com- mittee. A Finance Committee was appointed consisting of 17 members. Mr W. N. Jones proposed the re-election of Mr Gwilym Evans, Professor Jones, and Rev. William Thomas on the Joint Education Committee. This was carried. With regard to the Technical Instruction Committee, a motion was made by Mr J. Williams, Llanginning, that it should consist of the whole Council. Mr Soourfield proposed that it should consist of 17 members. Mr John Lloyd said it was an important Committee. Everyone was anxious to get on it and he thought a chance should be given to all. Mr Gwilym Evans said at certain times the Committee awarded scholarships for Aberystwith, and he fancied there was a feeling among members to be on the Committee so as to record their votes in favour of their own candidates. He did not agree that the Committee should consist of the whole Council. A Committee of 9, 12, or 15 would be quite ample. Dr. Hees supported.. Sir Lewis Morris said he was not on the Committee. He bad looked upon it with longing eyes. He would be glad if it was possible for him to be appointed. Colonel Hughes and Mr John Johns strongly sup- ported Mr Evans. A small Committee, they contended, would work better. Eventually, it was unanimously decided that the Committee should consist of 18 members to be apportioned as follows Llanelly division, 5 Carmar- then, 5 Llandilo, 3; Llandovery, 2 Lampeter, 1 Narberth, 1; Newoastle-Emlyn, 1. Selections were made as follows:—Carmarthen—Sir Lewis Morris, Mr John Lloyd, Professor Jones, Mr Jenkins, Alltyoodno; Mr H. Jones Davies. Llanelly. -Mr Gwilym Evans, Rev. T. Johns, Rev. J. H. Beeal Mr Joseph Joseph, Mr William David. Mr J. Allen Williams expressed a desire to be a member of the Committee, and be was nominated, but faoed by two opponents—Mr William David and Mr J. Llewellyn Thomas. On the first vote, Mr David and Mr Williams both secured 19 and Mr Thomas 9. The eeoond count resulted in a victory for Mr David of 27 to 18. For Llandilo Mr W. N. Jones, Mr H. J. Thomas, Colonel Hughca Rev. William Davies, and Dr. Rees were ( proposed. Rev. William Davies withdrew, but headway was still unable to be made. Mr Gwilym Evans eventually decided to withdraw, and the Llanelly division and the Llandilo division were thus left with four members each; for Llandovery Mr T. F. Jones, Mr Bevan, Sir James Hills-Johnes, and Mr Davies, Rhyblid, were nominated.—Mr Davies withdrew. A vote was then taken It was plainly discernible that the tide flowed with Mr Bevan and Sir James, and Mr Jones, speaking somewhat excitedly, said he would like the Council to know that he was not on one Committee. He would withdraw from the cutest. He wished the electors to know this. There were some gentlemen who were on three or four Committees. Mr W N Jones and he considered the Council were not acting fairly. F¡r the Lampeter Division Mr Ben Evans had a majority of seven over Mr John Rees. Mr Scourfield pefurt-d t.hp Narberth Division, and Mr Barret the New- eaKtlo-Emlyn Division. The Local Government Act Committee and the Public RaIth and General Purposes Committee were re-appointed, »uh but few changes. The following were flppoioted to act on the Joint Counties' Lun-itic Aeylum Committee: Dr Rees, Mr John Lewis, Mr John Lloyd, Prof. Jones, Mr H. Jones-Davies, Mr Joseph Williams, and Mr W. Jones. Mr J.)hn Williams, Penlao, was nominated to act on the County Rate Basis Committee. Mr Williams declined the honour. He said, I am not on any other committee, and I am not going to strve on that" (laughter). With reference to the appointment of a Parliamentary Committee, Mr Gwilym Evans said they did not require a large committee. He proposed that the committee consist of seven, one from each union.—This was seconded.—An amendment that the committee remain as it is was carried. Five members were appointed to act as governors of the University College of Wales and Monmouthshire, Cardiff, and two members to act on the University Court of the University of Wales. Llanelly Members at Variance. I The next business was to appoint eleven representa. I tivea to act On the County Governing Bjdy for three years. The Clerk said that in connection with this Lady Hills-Johnes resigned. At the resquest of the Council, the Clerk read the letter from Lady Hills-Johnes oontaining her intention to resign. She aid that she desired the Clerk to inform the Council that she did not desira to be re-elected. Mr W. N. Jones asked if any resolution had been re- ceived from the elemartary teachers of the county with regard to the representation on the County Governing Body. Tbe Cletk replied in the negative. Mr Jones said that a resolution had been passed, at all events. The teachers considered that they should have representation on the Body. Mr Gwilym Evans said that if any resolution of that sort did come, he sincerely trusted that the Council would not listen to it. The headmasters of intermediate schools oi < not have representation on the Body, and be did not think it fair that the elementary teachers should be represented. Conoluded Mr Evans, I trust it will tot be done it will give great dissatisfaction." Mr J. Llo; d-Can't we get Lady Hills-Jones to re- consider her decision P It will be a great pity if she does not act It will be a loss to the county to lose her services. Mr W. N. Jones proposed that she be re-elected. This was carried unanimously, and the Clerk was directed to communicate with Lady Hills-Johnes in the matter. Mr D. C. Parry, Llanelly, made referenoe to the formation of a cadet corp s at Llanelly. and said that there was a strong feeling against it at that town. The desire was not to turn their schools into military schools but commercial schools. He strongly objected to the military spirit being imparted. He could assure them that the feeling in Llanelly was very strong against it, He begged to recommend that instead of Miss Bessie Thomas they appoint Mrs Captain Thomas. Mr J. LI Thomas seoonded. Mr Gwilym Evans strongly objeoted to the proposed change. In Miss Bessie Thomas they had an excellent representative. She was one of the finest edueotionalisto of the county. Mr Parry did not hesitate to agree that Lady Hills Johnes should be re-elected, and yet she was as much in favour of the cadet corps as Miss Bessie Thomas. Mr Parry made a personal attack upon Miss Bessie Thomas, which was very unfair. If you wish to attack us as a body who believe in the cadet corps, do so," concluded Mr Evans. Mr W. N. Jones proposed that the representation be not altered. This was seconded. Mr Parry wished to explain matters. He had a right to express the opinion of Llanelly there. He spoke more particularly of the Llanelly district. Lady Hills-Johnes oame from another district. Mr Gwilym Evans did not represent the feeling of Llanelly, nor did Miss Thomas. He begged to move that Mr W. B. I Jones, editor of the i lanelly Mercury, should take the place of Mr Gwilym Evans (laughter). Sir James Hills-Johnes hoped the objection to Miss Bessie Thomas would not weigh on that Council. It was not proposed to turn boys into the Army, but to make them capable when old enough to take up arms and defend their country, if it was required to be defended (hear, bear). It was not proposed to make them soldiers, but to give them a good healthy exercise, and a most useful one for the boys to lea-n, and he trusted the Council would look upon it in that way, and that thev would all vote for Miss Thomas, who had taken up the question so heartily (hear, hear). I Mr JLbomas Jones, Llanelly, said Mr Parry had told I them clearly that there i was a very strong feeling I against the- cadet corps in Llanelly. He himself did I not know that strong feeling There might be some sections opposed to it. He was serious about it. He did not know of this extraordinary feeling that Mr Parry had alluded to. He hoped Miss Thomas would be returned to represent them in Llanelly (hear, hear). Mr Rees, Llangennech, in a Welsh address, said that if the town of Llanelly could be oanvassed it would be found that the people were 10 to 1 against the cadet corps. Mr Thomas Phillips, another Llanelly representative, said there was no such feeling at all—(laughter)—and he did not know where those members who said there was got their information from. He did not know how Mr Rees, who lived some miles away, knew about the matter, as be only came to Llanelly occasionally. It would be a great disappointment to Llanelly if Miss Thomas was thrown out. Mr David Evans, Llangennech Park, said he could assure the Council the feeling in Llanelly was quite in favour of a cadet corps. He believed he knew the feeling there as well as any who had spoken. He was surprised at some of the observations made. Rev. A. F. Mills, Carmarthen, spoke against the cadet corps, and said that they did not want to develop the military spirit in this country. It was the very thing that they had been fighting against, as Christian Churches, daring the last oentury, and they had been end avouring over the whole world to do away with tbtt spirit (hear, hear). The establishment of this cadet corps would tend to develop the military spirit. The matter was now put to the meeting, and for Mrs Cap-tin Thomas only 13 members voted. The sup- porters of Miss Bessie Thomas were so numerous that it was deemed unnecessary to count them. For Mr W. B. Jones 5 members voted, while Mr Gwilym Evans received an overwhelming majority. The results were l received ",ith laughter and applause. The Council's representation on the County Govern- I ing Body thus remains the same. The representatives are: Lady Hills Johnes, Mrs Lloyd (Preswylfa), Mrs Phillips Miss Schaw Protheroe, Miss Bessie Thomas, Mr H. Jones-Davies, Mr W. N. Jones, Mr Gwilym Evans, Professor Jones, Rev W. Thomas, and Mr Thomas Watkins. Three members were appointed to represent the Council on the Milford H iven Sea Fishery Committee for the ensuing year. I Drysllwyn Bridge. I The last item on the agenda was to "consider what steps shall be taken for completing Dryslwyn Bridge, AS the contractor declines to do so." This matter was discussed in camera. We understand that the decision arrived at by the Council was that a committee, consisting of the Chairman, Earl Cawdor, and Sir James Drummond, should meet the contractor, and endeavour to come to a settlement. The committee was given plenary powers.