The Welshman

TO THE GENTRY,CLERGY, AND OTHER ELEOTORS OF THE COUNTY OF CARMARTHEN. GENTLEMEN,— Having received a requisition most influen- tially and numerously signed by the leading interests in the County to offer myself as a Candidate to represent you in the ensuing Parliament, I have much pleasure in complying \?ith so flattering an invitation, at the same time I wish it to be clearly understood that in the absence of such a request I should not have considered myself in a position to justify me in presenting myself to your notice. With regard to the political questions of the day, I have to declare that my principles are almost identical with those of my brother, your present Member, being trictly Conservative. As to the Irish Church question (in my opinion the vital and leading question of the day, and the test for all Candidates of Constitutional opinions), I am equally opposed as well to its Disendowment as to its Disesta- blishment and, although I am not prepared to deny there may be found in it abuses which the lapse of time would render necessary to redress, still I should regard it as a fatal mistake that its revenues should be alienated from any Institution so closely interwoven with the Constitution and the Esta- blished Church of this Kingdom. I will, if elected, give the present Government a cordial and disinterested support in opposition to the policy advocated by* Mr Gladstone and his followers, for I think tho present Ministry have shewn them- selves possessed of high administrative powers, and deserve well of their country in having settled the much-vexed question of Reform in such a manner as to command, if not universal, at least general, satisfaction. To all local questions, I can, without any hesitation promise my close and unvarying attention. Should you then do me the very high honour of electing me as one of your Representatives, it shall be my earnest endeavour to promote your interests as well political as social to the utmost of my power. I have the honour to be, Your most obedient Servant, JOHN JONES. Blaenos, August 6th, 1868. M 19

TO THE ELECTORS OF CARMARTHENSHIRE. GENTLEMEN,— I should not have troubled you with a second Address, if I had not seen it stated publicly that it is not my intention, if I am opposed, to go to the Poll for the Representation of this County and that I have other objects in view. Gentlemen, I have no other objects in view and it is my unalterable determination to go to the Poll. Nearly three Parliaments have now elapsed since, elected by the almost unanimous voice of the County, I stated that I would pursue an independent line of conduct irrespectively of all parties and during that time I have endeavoured to uphold those principles and doctrines which I believed to be in accordance with the views of the people of this County, and consonant with justice. If then the statements to which 1 have referred were true, my supporters might justly say to me, that, after they bad returned me unopposed at each succeeding election, I had, when the first note of opposi- tion was sounded, shrunk from the encounter, and abandoned them. No such reproach shal be addressed, to me: and I shall be prepared, on the Dissolution of this Parliament in November, if I am opposed, to ap- peal to you. No arrangement, however carefully devised, can deprive you of that your inalienable right. I have confidence in the justice of. your decision and if again returned to the House of Commons, I shall go there unpledged as heretofore, and free to follow on all questions the dictates of my judgment. In the mean- time 1 shall endeavour to communicate with you, as far as I am able, personally and in writing. I have the honour to be, Gentlemen, Your very obedient servant, D. PUGH. Manoravon, 2nd September, 1868. N 6

DENTISTRY. MR. E. L. JONES (of the Firm, H. M. JOKES & ?.i- SON, Surgeon Dentists, M.C.D.E., 19, North- ampton-Placp, SwaIlSf;¡ Esab!;shed 1309.) attends CAR- MARTHEN the la,t MONDAY in ea,h Calendar Month, at Mcsars. THOMPSON & SHACKELL'S, Guildhall-square, from Ten to Five o'clock. Next visit, October 26. ARl IFICIAL TEETH upon the newest and moat ap- proved principles. CHILDREN'S TEETH simply, but successfully regu- lated. Periodical Attendance at the following Places :— CARMARTHEN—The Inst Monday, at Messrs. Thompson & Shackella', Guildhall Square. Next ,i,itg- On Monday, October 26 and November 30. TE.NBY-The last consecutive Tuesday and Wednesday in each month, at Mr John M. Heuton's, 5 and 6, High street. Next visits—November 24 and :!5:h, &c. IIAVEIiFOltl)Ni-F,T -The last Thursday, at Mr W. Griffiths', Boot Maker, High-street. Next visits- November 26, &c. rEMH'-ioKE-lJocK—Tbo last Friday, at Mr Wm Cook's, Bush-i-treet. Next visits-Novomber 27, &t. A New System of Operating on a perfectly painless plan. One of the Firm daily in attendance. 19, Norihanopton- Place, Swansea. A Vacancy for a Pupil. CARMARTHENSHIRE. THE Central Committee for promoting MR. PUGH'S Return meet daily at Llandilo at 11 o'clock. All Communications are requested to be addressed to them. Llandilo, September 15th, 1868. N 60 CARMARTHEN COUNTY ELECTION. ALL SUPPORTERS of MR. SARTORIS are re- quested to address their communications to his entral Committee at Llanelly. 1\1 21 TO THE INDEPENDENT ELECTORS OF THE COUNTY OF CARDIGAN. GENTLEMEN,— The time has arrived when it has become my duty, as it is your right, to demand of me, to expound to you, more fully and explicitly than I did in my preliminary address, announcing my intention of offering myself as an Aspirant for the high honour of representing you in Parliament, what my political principles and views are. I am a Conservative," by which as I understand the TRUE meaning of the word, not the old fashioned Tory of bye-gone times, who was honestly, but as was some- times the case, doggedly opposed to Change or progress of every kind, but the LIBERAL CONSERVATIVE AND TRUE FRIEND OF CIVIL AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY OF OUR DAY, who while he honours and respects that grand old British Constitution under which our Country has attained to such an unparalleled position in the Rank of Nations, does not deny that it contains, like all other human Institutions, some defects and elements of decay which it is the duty of an enlightened legislature to enquire into, and, where practicable, reform. I am a member of the Church of England, and as such am opposed to the separation of Church and State, but, notwithstanding, I am NO BIGOT in religious matters; on the contrary, I regard with respect the conscientious opinions and feelings of those who enter- tain different views on the subject to what I do. On the great Irish Church Question, I am opposed to Mr Gladstone's views, and looking, as I do, upon his proposals for its Disestablishment, as an attempt at Spoliation of the Rights of the Church, and if carried out, as fraught with danger to the Constitution, I should, if returned, deem it my duty to oppose the same. I cannot, however, close my eyes to the fact that the question is one of vast importance and pressing difficulty, but I have confidence in the wisdom and integrity of Parliament to promptly dispose thereof in such a way as to satisfy the reasonable hopes and wishes of the enlightened and intelligent of every Christian Denomination. The next important question that occurs to me, is that of National Education, but as to which I have, happily, no difficulty, as I cordially agree with those who con- sider it to be the duty of the State to promote the Education of all classes by every possible means; therefore any well considered measure, having that much to be desired object in view, that might be pro- posed, would have my ardent and active support. I agree with those who consider that it is not the interest or duty of this Nation to interfere, but as little as possible, with the internal affairs of other Countries at the same time I consider, and every true-hearted Englishman will agree with me, that it is our duty to our Country not to tamely submit to any insult to the national honour, nor to any infringement on the national rights. In matters of Public Finance and Expenditure, I maintain that it is the duty of every Member of the Legislature, but more especially those of the House of Commons, to watch the same closely, and to promote Retrenchment and Economy by every possible means, and in every Department of the State. The marked improvement in the material and moral prosperity of all Classes of Society in this Country, more especially in that denominated the lower class, which has been so rapidly developed within the last few years and which is still in progress, happily, induces the belief that the day is not far distant, if indeed it is not immediately at hand, when England will be, not only as it now is, foremost among the Nations of the World, but the Country above all others the most blessed and happy in its public and domestic Institutions. On the subject of your local interests it is only neces- sary for me to say that they would have my especial care and support. After this truthful explanation of my political prin- ciples and views, I entrust my cause to you in the confident hope, warranted as it is by the great success of the very partial canvass which I have up to this time only been able to make, that the result of tho Election will be my being placed, by your kindness, in the high position of your Representative in the Com- mons House of Parliament. I have the honour to be, Gentlemen, Your very faithful and obedient servant, EDMUND MALET VAUGHAN Crosswood, August 21st, 1868. N ] DENTAL SURGERY. MR BAYNTUN will, for the greater convenience of .l his Patients, attend at 53, KING-STREET, Car- marthen, fortnightly (instead of monthly). Date of Visit- October, Friday 9th, and Saturday 10th. Mr Baynton intends devoting the 6rst day of his Visits entirely to Patients, with whom appointments have been made. He would therefore feel obliged to those who wish to consult him without appointment, to kindly call on the Saturday, as he finds from the greRt number calling it is impossible to give the care and attention he wishes to, unless some such arrangement is made. All lettsrs to be addressed to 3, Dynevor Place, Mount pleasant, Swansea. THE ONLY PRIZE MEDAL FOR CUT NAILS JOHN REYNOLDS & SONS, Manufacturers of every description of Patent Cut Copper and Iron Tacks, Nails, Joiners'and Flooring Urads, Clog and Coffin Pin, Gimp Pins, Builders', Slaters', Coopers', and Box N.iils, Ac. Chunk, Crown, and Phoenix Works, Newtown Row, Birmingham. CHUNK, Established 1811. CROWN, Established 1847. PHCENIX, Established 1825. Wholesale only. Can be obtained through all respectable Ironmongers, Merchants, and Factors. ?HE best CUT NAILS made are supplied from the X Chunk Patent Cut Nail Works, 209, Newtown Row, Birmingham. 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ELECTION INTELLIGENCE. I PEMBROKE.—From time to time we receive infor- mation respecting the progress of the election when there is a contest in this district. A fortnight since our reports from Pembroke represented Mr Mey- rick's chances of success to be so good that it was thought unlikely Sir Hugh Owen would go to the poll. We gave the statement almost in the words we have now used. Sir Hugh Owen wrote last week to the effect that it was his intention to go to the poll, and further that he had every confidence of being returned." We published the letter, and called attention to it in a paragraph on the Pem- broke election. We give prominence to the honourable baronet's communication," quoting from the paragraph, which his friends will, no doubt, read with satisfaction, and as we have re- peatedly stated, he has many warm friends who are doing all in their power to return him. But, our reports, some of them from persons wholly dislit4 terested, give him no possible chance of success. They state that Mr Meyrick is sure of being elected by a large majority. We have nothing to do with these reports, further than that they are sent to us as news." This. statement is necessary to a clear understanding of the following letter :— 8, Lewis Street, Pembroke-Dock, 28th September, 1868. 81R,- W e cannot refrain from expressing our surprise that whilst inserting Sir Hugh Owen's letter, in your paper of last week, you virtually by your remarks on his communication accuse him of falsehood. Allow us to state from our knowledge of the canvass that there is every prospect of Sir Hugh Owen being at the head of the poll. We will not say by a large ma- jority, for whichever side wins we know the majority will not be large. We are however confident that what- ever majority there is it will be in Sir Hugh's favour- and this confidence is strengthened by the result of the recent registration. We must also express our surprise at the persistent efforts made by Mr Meyrick's supporters to take an un- fair advantage over their political opponent by circulat- ing statements respecting majorities which exist only in their own imagination. Begging you to insert this in your next issue, We are, Sir, Your obedient Servants, JOHN T. COCK, B.A., G. M. SINNETTE, Secretaries to Sir Hugh Owen's Committee. Our readers are now in a position to judge for themselves whether we have virtually accused Sir Hugh Owen of falsehood, as we are deliberately charged with doing by the Secretaries of his Com- mittee at Pembroke Dock. Sir Hugh believes that he will be returned, or in other words, he has every confidence in being returned." We have not questioned his belief, nor have our correspondents. But they think he is mistaken. This is very dif- ferent to accusing the honourable Member of false- hood. Messrs Cock & Sinnette have therefore unjustly charged us with dishonourable and ungentlemanly conduct. The sin and shame are theirs not ours. No doubt the supporters of Sir Hugh Owen are as confident of success as the supporters of Mr Meyrick. Both sides hope to win, and it may be go further and believe in success. At any rate, with- out hope what heart would they have to struggle on to the end ? It is not for us to decide who is right. The truth is that in such a contest the result cannot be known with certainty until the close of the poll. There are voters who refuse to promise and others who do not keep their promises, so that it is utterly impossible in going through the register to rest satisfied with the result. Our own duty is plain. We shall, without reference to either party, continue to give from week to week the progress of the elections in this district as supplied us by our correspondents, who are quite disinterested, and have opportunities of knowing the truth on both sides. HAVERFORDWEST.—The contest here is carried on with warmth and dogged resolution. Our reports differ in their conclusions, but they all agree that it will be a close run." At times it seems as if Mr Pitman would get in and at others as if Colonel Edwardes was the favourite. We hesitate to express any opinion from our reports. CARMARTHENSHIRE.—We are informed that the prospects of Mr Puxley and Mr Jones improve steadily as the day of election approaches. The result of canvassing nearly every parish in the county places them, it is said, high up in the poll. In many parishes three-fourths of the electors go for them, and in others more than half. Will these promises, it is asked, hold good to the end? We have ourselves put the question, and the reply is that the larger proportion of them will, because the per- sonal interests of the voters lie in that direction. In plain truth, the tenants will go with their landlords, not only for the two Conservative candidates, but for Mr Pugh and Mr Sartoris as well. The question then is how will the landowners vote, and so far as we can ascertain more than seventy per cent. are for Mr Puxley and Mr Jones. If, then, we accept these statenents it does not require much prescience to anticipate with reasonable certainty the close of the contest. Mr Pugh is not doing so well as his committees calculated. He has broken with the Conversatives and the Liberals, except in a few parishes, stand aloof hardly knowing what to do. His friends are, however, working with determina- tion, and leave no stone unturned, but so far with apparently small effect. Mr Sartoris is fast losing ground, and from all we can hear his intercourse with the people does him no good. The only claim he has upon the county is the fact that he professes Liberalism, and the electors are beginning to feel that a Member of Parliament should have other qualities than a willingness to vote for Mr Gladstone or Mr Disraeli. Besides, the crooked policy he has adopted, estranges moderate Liberals. It is well known that he has given an assurance to his friends that he is an anti-state churchman, and will, when the time comes, vote in accordance with his views. But it has suited his purpose of late to evade the question, and those who once supported him are dropping off. At this moment it is difficult to say how he stands, but that he is losing favour in the eyes of the electors there can be no doubt w hat- ever. CARDIGAN.—Sir T. D. Lloyd will evidently have it all his own way here. There is no longer any talk of opposition. Sir Thomas has satisfied a majority of the electors by the moderate opinions he avows, and at the same time has disarmed oppo- sition. CARDIGANSHIRE.—The Liberals complain of the screw" which they say imperils the candidature of Mr Richards to an extent little anticipated. The Conservatives deny that pressure has been brought to bear on the electors, who have been canvassed and nothing more. It seems that in this as in many other counties the tenants are prepared to vote with their landlords. They have hitherto done so, and they are slow to see why they should not continue the practice. It is a common thing to hear an elector say, when asked for his vote, that he intends going with his master or landlord." If the ques- tion is pressed, the justification is in effect, that he does not want to displease his landlord, to whom he looks for many favours and some consideration in bad seasons. This is at once put down as the screw," while to our knowledge, in many cases, the landlords would not on any account interfere with the voting of their tenants. The Conservatives demur to the charge of putting on the screw," and assert that they exercise no other influence than is used by the Liberals. The tenants in most cases vote with their landlords, whether Liberals or Conserva- ti ves. However, the Liberals fear this influence will carry Mr Vaughan into Parliament in tho face of the strongest opposition they are able to muster, and Mr Vaughan's supporters have no doubt that he will beat Mr Richards. The contest is carried on with much spirit. CARMARTHEN.—The gods fight for Col. Stepney with so much valour that opposition to him is no sooner named than it is paralysed. Major Arburth- not came to Carmarthen and Llanelly unsolicited, to oppose the return of the Colonel, whose unpopu- larity and unfitness to go to Parliament is in every- body's mouth. He had ascertained that the borough was dissatisfied with the Liberal candidate, and that he had promised to retire in favour of a younger man, if a decided Liberal. But he did not know that the gallant Colonel had altered his mind and nailed his colours to the mast. On no account .Jt t will he now surrender the long-coveted honour of a seat in the House of Commons. Major Arbuthnot, however, called upon several electors of influence and was received courteously. He found that many of them were pledged to support Col. Stepney, and that without dividing the Liberal party he could not enter upon the contest. This, he had made up his mind from the first not to do on any account. And, further, he found that the Liberals considered them- selves indebted to the Colonel for bringing forward Mr Sartoris for the county. If it had not been for him they would not have had a candidate to test, at an enormous expense, the political opinions of the county. Under these circumstances he has retired, as will appear from the following letter addressed to us:— SIR,-A paragraph having appeared in the WELSH- MAN containing certain statements respecting me, I think it right to correct a possible inference from the mention of some of my relations, that I appear under their auspices. Such s'teps as I have taken with reference to canvas- sing the united boroughs have been taken on my sole responsibility, as it was my wish to ascertain the gene- ral feeling of the Liberal electors before taking any decided action. The statements of the paragraph respecting my wish to represent the United Boroughs are quite correct but finding that a gentleman of great local influence and of the same political principles as myself has anticipated me in the field, I will not risk a division in the Liberal interest, by any further movement in the matter referred to in the WELSHMAN. I am, Sir, Your obedient servant, W. ARBUTHNOT. Very many Liberals are disappointed at the retire- ,ment of a candidate they were prepared to vote for. • But there is no help for it, and the only consolation left is that which drops from the lips of his warmest adherents, In the course of nature he cannot trouble us long." On such conditions who would accept a seat in Parliament P The Conservatives had hoped, as we stated last week, to induce Mr Oliver Powell to come forward but it will be seen from the subjoined letter to us, that he will not do so .— SIR,-I observe in your paper of last week that it is likely I may shortly be induced to come forward as a candidate for your Borough, on Conservate principles. Perhaps I ought to be silent on this matter until the invitation reaches me; for fear, however, that "silence" might be construed by some of my friends as a hint from me, that I am willing to accept such an invitation, I trust you will allow me to say (through the columns of your next paper) that at present I am not anxious for Parliamentary honours, and even were I so inclined, my income is not nearly sufficient to justify me in soliciting such an honour at the forthcoming election. I am, sir, Yours faithfully, T. R. OLIVER POWELL. Wyngron, Narberth, Sept. 30, 1868. We do not know whether the Conservatives intend taking any further steps in opposing the Colonel, but it is now evident that no Liberal will offer himself.

CARMARTHENSHIRE INFIRMARY.—The Secretary begs thankfully to acknowledge the receipt of £ 5 from the committee of management of the Carmarthen Penny Readings Abergwilli and Llanfihangel-uch-y-Grwille, 114 12s 6d. COUNTY PETTY SESSIONS.—These sessions were held at the Shire Hall, Carmarthen, on Saturday last, before Col. Sir J J. Hamilton, Bart, Capt Davies, and Gris- mond Philipps. Esq.-Tho complaint of Sarah Phillips, of Gennyhill, Conwil, against Samuel Davies, Sarnddu, Conwil, for an assault, was compromised. Jurors' lists were verified and allowed. BREACH OF THE PEACE.—On Monday last William Jones, of Abercyfor, Llandefeilog, was brought up in custody by P.S., Scurry, before Capt. Davies, and bound over, himself in X40, and two securities in L20 each, to keep the peace for 6 months, especially towards his father David Jones, of Abercyfor. JOINT LUNATIC ASYLUM.—A special meeting of the Committee of Visitors was held at the Asylum on the 22nd ult., for the purpose of taking into consideration some repairs required to be done to the building im- mediately. There were present-J. L. G. P. Lewis, Esq. (chairman), Lord Cawdor, R. P. Davies, Esq., Ridgway, D. Pugh, Esq., M.P., J. Jones, Esq., Blaenos, and Col. J. Lewes, Llanlear. Certain repairs to the building were ordered to be effected immediately, and a sum of 4400 to be called up for that purpose. It was also ordered that some additional furniture be obtained. The proposal of the Carmarthen Town Council to enter into an agreement for the reception of their pauper .lunatics into the Asylum for the same annual payment -and subject to the like stipulations as are contained in the agreement with the Town of Haverfordwest, was accepted. It was stated to the meeting that a contract had been entered into with Messrs. Porter & Co., for the erection of the intended gas works for supplying gas to the Asylum, and that the works had already been commenced. The following tenders for the supply of provisions, &c., were accepted :—Mr Isaac Jones, but- cher, for beef, best sides, at 5d per lb.; mutton, do., at o^d pork, at 6d and suet, at 4d per lb. Mr David Rees for fresh butter, at Is lid per lb. Welsh cheese, at 27s per cwt.; and new milk at lid per gallon. Mr Thomas Davies, Albion House, for groceries. Messrs. T. & W. Davies, Lower Market-street, for flour, best seconds, at 43s per sack, and malt, at 9s 6d per bushel. Messrs. Vivian, Brothers, Swansea, for soft coal, through and through, at 12s 3d per ton; stone coal, large, at lls 9cl per ton; and coke, best, at 14s lid per ton. Messrs. Norton, Brothers, for ale, at Is per gallon beer, at 8d per gallon and porter, in casks not less than a firkin, at 11 d per gallon. Mr James Morgan, Priory- street, for hops, at Is 4d per lb. There was no other business of public interest before the meeting. MR BRINLEY RICHARDS, AT CHELTENHAM.—The second Pianoforte Recital by Mr Brinley Richards, last Saturday afternoon, in the Montpellier Rotunda, at- tracted a numerous and fashionable company of atten- tive listeners, who were evidently delighted with the performances, as, in truth, they well might be, the com- positions selected for their entertainment comprising for the first part of the programme, a sonata of Beethoven's and several other gems from the works of the most emi- nent masters and for the second, eight or ten of Mr Richards' own compositions, including, of course, one of his popular Fantasias on Welsh Airs, as well as his beautiful variations on the Last Rose of Summer," the Warblings at Eve," and half-a-dozen other equally charming compositions-all of which were executed in the most brilliant and accomplished style imaginable. Nothing, indeed, could well surpass Mr Richards' exe- cution of the high-class music forming the first act of the Recital, in which-" inter alia"—the Cat s fuge" a singular and difficult composition of Scarlatt's, so pleased his audience that they insisted upon its repeti- tion. The hearty applause which followed the perfor- mance of the concluding piece in the programme was acknowledged by Mr Richards, who being recalled fa- voured his audience with Weber's Last Waltz," in graceful recognition of the compliment.- Clieltenliam Looker- On.

"NO PARTY." No Party! be the echoing cry, Of all who strive for Liberty, A man's a man whate'er his creed, If conscience govern word and deed A man's a man, whate'er his state, If conscience upon Party wait, For Britons ever must be free, Their land the home of Liberty. No Party be the answering note From men that rule to men that vote, No pledge for greed, no bribe for place, But hand in hand, and face to face, Let man by man on honour stand, Till Truth and Justice rule the land, So Britons ever shall be free, Their land the home of Liberty.

I CARMARTHEN BOARD OF GUARDIANS. The fortnightly meeting of the Board was held on Saturday, J. Lewis Philipps, Esq., presiding. Mr Adams and Mr Williams, the vice-chairmen, Mr J. Hughes, and a large number of guardians were pre- sent. The following tenders for supplying provisions, &c., to the Workhouse, were accepted :—Mr Buckley, for flour Mr T. Morgan, for butcher's meat; Messrs Edwards and Jones, for groceries; Mrs Evans, for milk Mr W. Davies, for oatmeal; Mr T. H. Lewis, for wine, &c Mr Griffith Rowlands, for coal; and Mr J. Johns, for candles. The Chairman—If you remember, we asked the Poor Law Board if we could send a pauper to London to a hospital, and pay her travelling expenses up. We grounded our application upon the case of a person being sent here from the Pontypool union. The Com- missioners will not give their consent, and inclose a copy of a letter they have sent to the guardians of the Pontypool union, disapproving of what they did. The Poor Law Board have sent another letter calling our at- ttention again to the extracts from Mr Graves's report after his late visit to this workhouse, and asking the guardians what they intend to d). Mr Hughes—What does Mr Lloyd say ? Has he con- sidered tho matter ? Mr Lloyd, surgeon—I have not prepared the dietary table that is the only subject with which I have to do. The Chairman—Something must be done. If we do not set about it, they will do it for us. Mr Hughes-They will appoint an officer to see the work done, and will make you pay for it. THE LIST OF PAUPERS. I Mr Mostyn Davies—I promised Mr Edwards, in his absence, to take up his motion, with reference to the printing of the list of paupers for the half-year ending the 29th of this month. Mr Hughes—Propose that the whole year's list be printed, and I will second you. Mr Davies-l only feel authorised to move, on M-t Edwards's part, that the list be printed for a half-year. I have no objection to the printing of the whole year's list. Mr Hughes—You are quite right. You had better take up Mr Edwards's motion, and I will move an amendment. Mr Davies—I will simply move that the list of paupers, for the half-year ending September 29th, be printed. The motion was seconded by Mr Davies, Abergwilly. Mr Hughes—My amendment is this, that you print the list for the whole year. I was very sorry to find that you did not do so at the end of the last half-year; because I have no doubt it would have been more useful then, but it would be very useful now, I think (hear, hear.) We should go on every half-year to publish the list of pauperism in the union, for it is the best possible check we can have upon the officers. It was said that the expense of printing the list would be considerable, and that the money would be thrown away. It would not do to say that now, for I can give you one illustra- tion to show that since the list was last printed, you have saved money by its publication. Without taking anything else into the question, look what you have saved through getting that man at Derllys off your books (hear, hear.) He was taking five shillings a week from this Board, at the same time that he was receiving his whole week's wages at Derllys, and very likely he would have continued to receive relief to this day, had you not printed the list (hear, hear). So that you have saved in that one in- stance alone, all that you expended in printing the list (hear, hear). I hope it will not be necessary to say much, but at the same time I hope to satisfy you that the list serves the purpose for which you published it. At the end of 1866—this is taken from one of the official papers got up I believe by desire of Capt. Davies, to show the increase of pauperism from 1847 to 1866 -the in- crease in the number of paupers, and in the amount of money expended, is very great compared with 1847. I do not wish to argue why this increase ought not to have taken place. In fact I am quite willing to allow that the increase was justified to the fullest extent. However, I will take the numbers at the end of 1866. I then find that you have 1,283 paupers in the Carmar- then district, which comprises the parishes of St. Peter, Llangain, and Abergwilly. That was the num- ber of paupers on your books at the end of 1866. Last year, you remember, you published the list.of paupers up to Lady-day, ls67, and I find that the number of paupers on your books had at that time been reduced to 846. Then you next published the list of paupers for the half-year ending Michaelmas, 1867, and I find that in Carmarthen district the number of paupers was still lower, there being at that time 706 paupers on the books, being a decrease of 577 since the previous Michaelmas. It seems almost incredible, but there is the fact, that there is a difference of 577 paupers be- tween the 29th September, 1866, and the 29th Septem- ber 1867 (hear, hear). I could not make out the whole cost, but I presume that the figures I have taken repre- sent the amount spent every half-year. If that be so there is also a great difference in the expenditure, for I find that you have saved in the year £7i4 19s. Now, I should be very sorry if this saving of £700 were effec- ted through starving the paupers, or by giving them less money; but I find that for the half-year ending Michaelmas, 1866, they received an average of JE1 18s lOd each, whilst at the end of 1867, though you saved £700, you had been giving them £2 19s 7d each (hear, hear). I am glad of it, because while you have been saving money, you have been giving the paupers a larger amount of relief. This is most satisfactory, and almost incredible. Mr J. Williams, Llanginning-Can you give the weekly relief. Mr Hughes-No, I cannot, because you give no ac- count of it. I cannot only divide the total money by the total number of paupers. Under any circumstances you have been giving them a larger sum, and I there- fore say it is almost incredible that there should have this great saving. I try to find out the reason of this great decrease in pauperism. At Michaelmas, 1866, you will remember wo had cholera in the union, and that considerably increased the number of paupers but that is not sufficient to account for the difference, because the cholera was amongst us until the end of October. So the increase is not to be accounted for in that way. Besides, if we were not exactly right as to the number of paupers, the money spent would correct us. The great amount of money—the extra cost—was not paid until after Michaelmas, because the bills were not sent in until the cholera was over so that the extra money would fall upon the following half-year, when we find there was a diminished amount expended (hear, hear). The number of paupers have decreased in this parish from 1,022 to 597 in the same time (hear, hear). I think the figures show that there has been a very great decrease of pauperism, and if it is not to be ascribed to the publication of the list, I do not know to what to ascribe it. I should be very glad if any- body can show that it is due to something else. I say that in a place like Carmarthen it is perfectly impossible for the guardians to know everybody. I think also it is quite impossible for the relieving officers to make inquiries into every case. Of course in country parishes things are very different. I think the officers in the Carmarthen district should be as- sisted by the list, not because they are not so honest as the others, but because we have not the same check upon them. I have no reason to suspect that they do not do their duty; but if I were an officer I should like to have a check upon me in order that I might show that I did my duty (hear, bear). I do not wish to make a speech, all I want is to show you that the list is use- ful. The only question about it is, whether you will all agree to print it for the two half-years, and if you think that would be best, whether you would like them printed in one book or separately. I do not wish to dictate to you, but I think two books would be more useful than one, because they would be more convenient for reference. It is rather late now to print the list up to Lady.day last in order that it might act as a check upon the officers; but I think, having begun to print them you should continue to do so, in order that you might have a complete history of pauperism by you. By examining the books for the two half-years you can see why the number was greater here or why there. That is the strongest reason why the book should be printed for the six months you did not publish it before. As the name of each pauper is not repeated in the half- yearly list, but the total amount of relief added up every half-year, the list for the half-year is complete. The only reason why you should desire to have the list for two half-years in one book, is because the printing would be something cheaper perhaps but I think as you have begun to have them half-yearly you should continue to have them half-yearly. However, I leave that to you. I move that the list of paupers for the whole year ending Michaelmas, 1868, be printed, and I suggest that the name and plac6 of abode be given. We should have the number of the house and the name of the street. It is very well to give a shorter descrip- tion in the country, but in a town like this we require something more. The Chairman—It was proposed that the names of the parties in the same street should be together in alphabetical order, but that has not been done. Mr Hughes-They are not in alphabetical order here, and I think there would an advantage in that; but I would leave that to the officers I think the list will do great good, and prevent any one coming on the book who does not need relief. Mr Davies does not feel authorised to move more than the person he represents was to have moved, and therefore I move my amend- ment. Mr J. Evans, Relieving Officer-I don't know that Mr Hughes is correct as to the number of paupers. Mr Hughes—That does not matter much if the amount expended is correct Mr Evans—The number of paupers in the Carmarthen district at Michaelmas, 1867, was 1,161. The Chairman (to Mr Hughes)—In reckoning the number of paupers, perhaps you did not include the children. Mr Hughes-No, perhaps not. Mr Evans—No, he has taken the heads of families only. Mr Hughes—Then you agree as to the money ? You agree that j6570 odd has been saved in one year 1 Mr Evans—Yes, that's right. Mr Hughes—Then I don't care about the number of paupers. The Chairman—We have not altered our method of giving relief in consequence of the publication of the list. Wo do our work at this Board precisely as before. Mr Hughes—I do not mention these figures in order to find fault with you. I am willing to believe that the Hoard did its duty in 1866 and 1867 and I dare say Mr Evans is right in his figures. The Chairman—Mr Hughes's remarks will go forth to the public. Mr Hughes—No, I don't know that they will. The Chairman—There are some reporters present, so you may depend upon that (a laugh). I say that inasmuch as Mr Hughes's remarks will go forth to the public great care should be taken in analysing the list. I never troubled myself in regard to these figures, and do not intend to trouble myself about them but I say since this list has been published, and before, we have gone on administering relief as usual. We have not altered one way or the other. I have per- haps a little oftener called the attention of the guar- dians to the relief lists as they were being examined. Not one-half of you to-day have been listening to the lists. I frequently find fault with Mr Thomas, the St. Clear's officer, for administering too high relief. lie gives more than Mr Jones does, and perhaps in some cases Mr Evans does the same. It is useless to expect that Mr Evans can visit all those paupers on bis book. He cannot do so. If you were to employ some one to look after his books and allow him to visit the paupers, you would save money by the arrangement. The relief would be stopped in many instances sooner than it ia now if Mr Evans had time to visit the paupers (hear, hear). Mr J. Davies, Quay-street—I have been a member of this Board for seven years, and have been as regular in my attendance as any one. I have been coming here at the commencement of the proceedings, at half-past ten, and staying until the last, and I am quite prepared to endorse what the Chairman has told you. We have made no difference in the mode of proceeding since the list has been published from what it was before but we have always done our duty most conscientiously. (Hear, hear.) I cannot understand why the difference in the number of paupers should be so great. Mr Hughes—Difference in money, not paupers. Mr J. Evans (to Mr Hughes)—Will you allow me to test your figures by my book ? Mr Hughes-I must find my vouchers before I can do that. If I were prepared I would do so with the greatest pleasure. I am rather disappointing you if you think that I propose to print this book because I imagine it will be of service to you in checking the pau- pers. It is intended for the public and not for you. I do not blame you. I have no doubt you are as correct now as before. The book will not help you at all. You are supposed to know the paupers, but the book would assist those guardians who do not come here regularly or do not attend to their duties. Look at the case of that man at Derllys. You did not know his circumstances until the list was printed. It is intended to teach the public. It oifght not to teach us here; we should know, and do perhaps know all the paupers. I wish the list printed for the information of the public and that it might be a check upon the officers. A Guardian-The man at Derllys did not get his full wages at the time he received relief. Mr Hughes-He did not require relief, that is all I got to show. I go by what I saw in the newspapers. Mr J. Williams, Llanginning-I have been against printing the list, because I thought it would be adding to the rate without conferring any corresponding bene- fit. But now I am quite willing to print it, and think we ought to do so. (Hear, hear.) There was a case here to-day.. I will not mention names, because of those repopters. (Laughter.) 1 do not wish the offi- cer's name to go forth to the public. I may, however. mention that the children were having relief and the father living in a freehold house. Now, had there been a list of paupers in that parish the case would have been known long ago. (Hear, hear). Mr J. Davies-Is this intended for us, or for the re- porters ? because we all know the case. (Laughter). Mr Williams-I am for an annual list, and have always thought that we should have a list in our hands at the end of each year, and call a vestry in order that we might go over all the paupers, and see who are entitled to relief and who are not. We might get in- formation from the guardians of each parish and the relieving officer. It was proposed at this Board that each parish should call a meeting and investigate the list, but it was not done. I think if the guardians were to sit half a day and examine the list of paupers, great good might result. The Chairman-That is done now. The list is regu- larly examined in several parishes. Mr Hughes-Not in this parish. Mr J. WilIiams-I think if examined, that the list would give an account of all the paupers in my parish. The votes were then taken, when ten voted for the amendment, no hand being held up in favour of a half- year's list. Mr Thomas, Hurst House, moved that the list be not printed. The motion was seconded by Mr Harries, Mydrim. Hr Hughes, said, strictly speaking, it was too late to move that motion, because it was a direct negative and not an amendment, and they had already agreed that the list should be printed. However, he should not object to the question being re-opened, in order that the guardians might have the fullest opportunity of expressing their opinions. The motion was then put, when seven voted in its favour and thirteen against it. Mr Hughes's amend- ment was therefore carried. THE STATE OF THE WORKHOUSE. The Chairman-Now, I must bring the question of the state of the House before you again. It has been under your notice before, but as the Poor Law Board are constantly writing on the subject it is necessary that we should do something without any further delay. You have all heard these extracts from Mr Graves's re- port read, but I will read them through again. [These extracts appeared in the WELSHMAN a month or six weeks ago,] First of all Mr Graves says there is no paid nurse in the Workhouse. We have already de- cided that there is no paid nurse required. Mr Hughes-But you should give an answer to all these recommendations. The Chairman-They have been before the Board at a former meeting, and Mr Lloyd has promised to pre- pare a new dietary table for the infirm and aged inmates. Mr Hughes-And has he done so ? Mr Lloyd-It is not ready yet. Mr Hughes-But you can get it ready by the next meeting. Mr Lloyd-Yes, I will do that. Mr Hughes-Then we had better take all the other questions separately, and discuss each in the order in which it is given. The Chairman—Well, first as to a paid nurse, I will put the question to the Master. Do you think, Mr Jones, that we require a paid nurse ? Mr Hughes-I object to the question being put to him; he is not our.medical officer. The Chairman-But surely he can answer such a question as that. Why not ? Mr Hughes-I don't think he is competent to answer the question. The Chairman-I don't see why he cannot answer it. Mr Hughes-Well, I don't think Mr Jonea knows what a paid nurse is. Mr Lloyd-Ask him if he does. Mr Adams-Do you know what a paid nurse Í8, Jones ? The Master-Yes, I do, of course. Mr Hughes-Now, I think you can ask him the question. (Laughter). The Chairman-Do you think a paid nurse neces- sary ? The Master-No. Mr Hughes—Did Mr Graves ask for a paid nurse be- cause Dr Lloyd asked for one ? Mr Evans, Llanllawddog- Very likely (laughter). Mr Williams, Llanginning-Unless we have a greater number of sick than at present, I move that no paid nurse be engaged. Mr Hughes—How many sick inmates are there on an average ? Mr Lloyd-About 34 or 35. Mr Hughes-What age is the nurse ? Mr Lloyd—Middle aged. Mr Hughes-Can she read writing? Mr Lloyd-No. Mr Hughes-Now do you give the medicine ? Mr Lloyd-I send it up and the nurse gives it, I sup- pose. Mr Hughes-Well, that is most extraordinary, and she cannot read. The Master—The Matron is always here, and she can read. Mr Hughes-But does she attend to see the medicine given to all these people ? The Master-Yes, always. Mr Hughes-Then she does what I should not like to do. Mr Lloyd-They do not all get medicine. Mr Hughes-How many of them get medicine ? Mr Lloyd-Four or six. Mr Williams, Llanginning—Then we do not want a paid nurse. Mr Hughes-Then saddle the medical officer with the responsibility. Say that he does not think a paid nurse necessary. That is the proper answer to send to the Poor Law Board. The Chairman—Well, that's settled. Next of all Mr Graves says there are no fever wards in the House. Mr Hughes-That means that you must build some. What does your medical officer say to that ? Mr Lloyd-There need not be any building, for there is a great deal of spare room in this Workhouss if it were better arranged. Unless the number of inmates become much greater than now there is an immense space that might be made available if a better arrange- ment were made. Mr Williams, Llanginning-Let us choose a com- mittee of five guardians, and they can select a com- petent man to go over the house with them and see what can be done. Mr Hughes—If Mr Lloyd says there are rooms suit- able for fever wards, then let us throw that responsibility upon him also. The Chairman- We have hitherto objected to have these things done. Mr Lloyd has proposed them before. Mr Mostyn Davies-If the guardians had consented to spend the money the work might have been done. The Chairman—If the guardians will only spend the money we can get sufficient room without any ad- ditional building. Mr Hughes-If you do not spend the money in making room you will have to build you may depend upon that. Mr Williams—If we had a committee, they could go round the House with a competent gentleman and Mr Lloyd, and the work might soon be done. Mr Adams moved that the following be appointed a committee to go over the Workhouse and report upon the best method of re-arranging the building to meet the requirements of the Poor Law Board :-The Chair- man, Mr Hughes, Mr J. Davies, Quay-street, Mr J. Williams, Llanginning, Mr D. Davies, Lord's Parks, and Mr Mostyn Davies. Mr Davies, Lord's Park-I live at too great a dis- tance. It is much better to leave the work to the town guardians. Mr Hughes—That's it. The town guardians come and propose things and the country guardians come and oppose and upset them. You ought not to have a committee appointed unless you have confidence in them. Mr Davies-I have confidence in them. Tho Chairman-It is necessary to come here and go