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-1-1 I THE DEFEAT OF MINISTERS. I [From the Post.] I The people of England will be surprised to learn the fact which we publish this morning, of a majority of sixteen against the Government on the Chinese question. They may not have the patience to sift with extreme minuteness the nice legal questions as to the character of the lorcha which was seized, but they will read and will understand the strong broad statement which Lord Palmerston gave iaat night of the policy of the British Government. They will know what this country owes to the great War Minister, and they will act accordingly when they are called on. On such a question, on a vote of censure, carried by such a combination, the course to be taken, we presume, cannot for a moment be doubted. The present Parliament has nearly run its legal term, and it has brought on itself its dissolu- tion. That, we have no doubt, will take place in as short a time as is consistent with the discharge of the necessary preliminaries-those that are absolutely needed for the current business of the country. That done, England will be called on to declare itself. The whole world-that is to say every quarter of the world where an English newspaper penetrates; where ex- tracts from it appear in a translated form where English doings are reported as objects of wonder, and talked of with with utter amazement—must look with more snrprise than ever at the heat and strength of discussion that has occupied four nights of the House of Commons on the Chinese question. They may understand that parties entirely op- posite in the profession of general principles may combine for one purpose that leaders, whose speeches Lave been for years a series of savage retorts and stinging reflections one against the other, may join in the warmest apparent friend- ship for the sake of what they deem a common interest. Such things have happened, and do happen, in the politest and even in the most savage countries; but what does not often happen except in England is the public manifestation and avowal of the compact, and the deliberate seizure of the question on which it shall be made. We have here a Minister who has successfully carried out the policy of this country in a war, under the suddenness and difficulty of which his predecessor had sunk. He has not only gained a peace full of honour, credit, and strength to the country, but he has met our enemy Russia-the great professor of dishonest diplomacy, in the field of treaties-and has fairly beaten her, winning for England the greatest place which under any other Minister she would have lost in the rank of European nations. He has shown himself strong, vigorous, and able in peace, as he did in war. He has proved that a Ministry which succeeded in times of trouble, when no other man dared undertake the heavy task, was not less able nor less disciplined in those comparatively easy days when the wars of this country were confined to the chastisement of the ruffians at Canton. He has entered the present Session as truly great a Minister as England ever possessed. He has borne with him the proofs of his greatness in the success which he has achieved under circumstances which, except himself no man dared face. The peace which was won by him has been at once attacked by a combination than which nothing more disgraceful appears in the history of any country. A miserable pretext is seized on in our relations with China the true facts of the case- are distorted to the utmost. The Legislators of England gravely attempt, not to protect the rights, but to enforce the abandonment of those great interests which are involved in the trade of this country with the East. Three opposite parties, three parties who have been for jvars directly and strongly op- posed in politics, in character, in personal speech, have joined against the Minister who saved the country when the directions of affairs was abandoned by Lord Aberdeen in dismay, when it was shrunk from with terror by the very members who at the first moment of peace join to beat the man whom they could tolerate so long as they needed him in war. The country will judge the combination. (From the Globe.) I The division of this morning will surprise the country, as, if we may judge from the anticipations in Mr. Cobden's reply, it surprised the mover of the Resolution which was carried, That Resolution was indeed 80 framed as to catch as many loose votes as possible, and really affirms little more than the incompetence of the House, as at present advised, to express a decided opinion on the subject. Mr. Cobden's Resolution runs as follows That this House has heard with concern of the conflicts which have occurred between the British and Chinese authorities in the Canton river; and, without expressing an opinion as to the extent to which the Government of China may have afforded this country cause of complaint respecting the non-futfilmcnt of the treaty of 1842, this House con- siders that the papers which have been laid upon the table fail to establish satisfactory grounds for the violent measures resorted to at Canton in the late affair of the Arrow." If we suppose, for the sake of argument, the documentary grounds for the recent proceedings at Canton to be incom- plete, surely it will not follow that the House of Commons, in the present state of things, need have been in such hot haste to give an opinion on the subject. Government had been indeed compelled to support or disavow their officers in China and in concurrence with the judgment of all best fitted to pronounce with connaissance de cause, they had thought it their duty to strengthen the hands of those officers with all the moral and material support which could be given them. The House of Lords, in like manner, had refused to look at the question like mere lawyers, or mere rhetoricians, or to go out of their way to pass a censure on distant proceedings, which those best qualified to judge, whether on the spot, or in this country, concurred in deeming to have been dictated by the necessity of the case, and the abnormal nature of our position towards the Chinese people and government. As the terms of Mr. Cobden's motion seem to have been studiously framed to enable men to give a vote on the ques- tion who could not come to any decided conclusion on it, so he laboured in his reply to set his supporters quite at ease with regard to the consequences of the vote they might give. It seems to me that all the mischief that could be done has been already done, and a vote of this House cannot make the matter worse. The noble lord predicts that terrible dangers would result from a change of Ministry; but we all remember that in the midst of the last Chinese war, in 1840, Sir Robert Peel was carried into power,—and yet we do not find that British interests in China suffered by that change of Ministry, for the war was, in fact, carried on more fiercely than before." If a vote of the House could not make the matter worse, it was equally clear that a vote of the House could not make the matter better. It would have seemed then that the part of good sense and patriotism was to abstain from a vote given without adequate information, or (avowed) practical object. Making however all due allowance for the operation, how- ever mistaken, motives in some quarters, we must seek, we fear, for the practical objects of this morning's vote in a direction very different from that of the public interest. The Coalition which has for the moment triumphed in the Lower House of Parliament presents no slight resemblance to the present object of its ostensible sympathies-which Sir John Davis describes [in 1852] as the vicious and incur- able rabble of Canton." Since the conclusion of the war with England, it has been the fixed idea of the Canton populace that they are fully capable of administering them- selves, and of dealing with "outside barbarians," on their own account. During the war, their jarring factions had waged internecine conflict in the heart of the city—" a war of extermination," says Sir John Davis, raged within the crowded space of the walls, aud the Chinese leaders, unable to quell the general rage, or to control their own people, resolved to conclude a convention with the enemy (the English) at any risk and expense." But however little the Canton rabble found it possible to unite during war, for defence of their city, they have contrived repeatedly to coalesce since the peace, in asserting the privilege of internal anarchy, and planning the plunder of the outside barbari- ans." In the very year following (we attain quote Davis)— "in December, 1812, soon after the Treaty of Nanking had ?een formally concluded, the Canton mob burned down the British factories and flagstaff, and their excesses were perpetually and annually renewed up to the public decapitation of the four murders of the Englishmen in 1847, with the subsequent punishment of eleven more,— since which a diminution has taken place in their taste for mischief." The taste for mischief" in the Canton coalition of the local rulers and the local populace will doubtless receive some degree of encouragement from the similar taste in the new-born Coalition here. A parliamentary Coalition did its best, in the last century, to overthrow British power in India and to ruin the man by whom that power was chiefly con. solidated. A parliamentary Coalition is doing its best now farther to embroil our relations with China. Considerations of commerce and empire kick the beam in the scale of fac- tion it is for the sense of the nation to redress the balanoe, and vindicate its own cause in the scramble of selfish ambitions. [From the Times of Thursday.] I Had it been possible to make an immediate appeal to the country on the result of the Division yesterday morning Her Majesty's Ministers would only have met in Cabinet to resolve on a course so evidently to their advantage. They would not have given an hour's opportunity to the political sections who have just made the discovery that union is force, As we have it on the authority of one of their chiefs thftt" England does not love Coalitions," the sooner Eng- land ill invited to express her feelings on the character of the present extraordinary specimen the better. A dissolution, is not, however, possible at this moment. Parliament could not reassemble before the expiry of the Mutiny Act in April, and her Majesty would then be left without money and men for the service and defence of the State. To-day, therefore, the Premier will propose tucli temporary arrangements as wi 1 allow time for an appeal to the constituencies. A Three Montl»' Mutiny Act, instead of the usual one for a year, and the necessary votes for the same period, would answer this purpose, and unless the three branches of the Coalition wish to add to the existing difficulties they will throw no obstacle in the way. No doubt there are people to look on such ah iaterval as a sort of Saturnalia, when, like ship- wrecked sailors rushing to the liquor, they may indulge in any proceedings, however factious and futile. It is not on behalf of the Government that we deprecate any course of simple annoyance. The new Coalition has a character to make, and it will not do that by throwing everything into confusion, as well at home as abroad. We believe that Go- vernment has no other wish than to take the opinion of the country on the question raised by its opponents, and so far carry out their wishes. It will, on its side, abstain from all new measures, only going on with those on which Parlia- ment has fully declared itself. The remission of the War Ninepence," and, we presume, too, the other parts of the new Budget, will be proceeded with; and if the House of Commons, under its new inspiration, should think fit to recede from its present decision on these points, it will have the opportunity of doing so. Under these arrangements it is evident that a dissolution may be expected in the course of the present month, and a new Parliament in May. The constitutional ceremony we are about to go through is, in fact. a trial of Her Majesty's advisers at the bar of the people. The House of Commons does but perform the part of a Grand Jury, and, as it has not thrown out the bill of indictment preferred by the triple accuser, that bill goes at once to the jury of the nation. When that nation, how- ever, hears of the task which devolves upon it, we are in- clined to think it will be rather at a loss to know the precise question to be answered. What is the offence ? What is the substance of the solemn interrogatory, Guilty or not guilty?-' put to the Government now at the bar of public opinion ? The question is an extraordinary one, and we doubt if the like was ever put to the British people before. It is simply this,—Has Lord Palmerston's Cabinet forfeited the confidence of the people, on account of a series of acts committed on the other side of the world six weeks before they were here even heard of, and by public servants ap- pointed under a former Administration? The present Cabinet neither appointed the men nor advised the measures, nor bad anything whatever to do with them. At Christmas,lwhen all the world was in the country, Ministers went down among the rest, and there read in the papers, some hours later than the London, and Birmingham, and Manchester world, that an unfortunate dispute had broken out at Canton. The greater part of the proceedings that have occupied the attention of Parliament during the last ten days had oc- curred several weeks before the least inkling of them could come to this country and, from first to last, including the firing of a river-side suburb of Canton to prevent its being a perpetual ambuscade, everything took place long before the arrival in China of a despatch from the Government at home. In fact, had the scene of the narrative been the Moon, or had it been a chapter from the Arabian Nights, the present Cabinet could not have had less to do with it. It did not even appoint the men, for they were bequests from a former Cabinet, and stand upon their own merits, in which they can well bear all the scrutiny the public choose to require. Here, then, is the question which the people of England are called to answer.—Is Lord Palmerston's Ad- ministration to be condemned end displaced for what it never did and could not do;—for what it only heard of when everybody else heard of it;—for what was done by men whom it did not appoint, and with whom it had not yet been able to hold any communication ? We have only heard of one question at all like it, though hardly so foolish a one, and it was put by certain persons who made a great pretence of religion and justice,—"Did this man sin, or his father, that he was born blind ?" Of course, it will be said that as Government accepts the issue, declining to agree in the condemnation of these proceedings and the consequent surrender of their authors, it is responsible for them. Strictly and constitutionally Government is responsible for everything that is done by its servants, even if it be in fact wholly beyond its control, or even its knowledge. They, however, who have carried this doctrine to the theoretical perfection exhibited by yester- day's vote must have borrowed a hint from the system of > that Celestial Empire which they have taken under their patronage. We read in Mr. Meadows's work One of the principal defects of the polity of the Chinese Empire is the existence and operation of numerous provisions in the code entitled 'Code of the Board of Civil Office for the l'unishment of the Mandarins,' whereby the mandarins are made responsible for a vast number of things over which they cannot possibly exercise any control, and in which punishments, more or less severe, are laid down for them in the case of failure." But we need not travel out of the very case before us for a parallel, only not quite so unreasonaole as the new English practice. One of Yeh's pretences for seizing the crew of the Arrow was that there was an old man on board whose son was a pirate, and, as the son could not be caught, the old man's head was wanted instead of his son's. Certainly a father may in some sense be held accountable for a son. But according to the Code of our threatened rulers at home a Cabinet is to be held responsible for the appointment of its predecessors, and for the acts of the officers so appointed. This is to hold the son account- able for the father, over whom he can have no control. It is true that Government does refuse to remove or censure the alleged offenders, and does accept their acts. We too, we believe, should have done the same in their case. We are persuaded there was no other alternative, and when the whole story is before the world England will think so too. We shall not at present drag our readers over the ground they have so often traversed during the last week. We may say that, assailed with deliberate outrage by one of the greatest miscreants ever heard of, threatened with more, denied reparation or, what was more important, any guaran- tee for the future, in the ;very presence of daily atrocities, and with a fanatic population ever ready to rise up against them, Her Majesty s servants in this trying situation acted according to their discretion for the honour of the British flag, the observance of treaties, the interests of their country, and the cause of civilization. No doubt, beset with horrors, and latterly assailed with poison, assassination, and every form of villany, they had a trying time of it. Yet they did their duty to the best of their knowledge, and we shall require better and less factious arguments to convince us that they were wrong. It is, theu, for not joining in the censure and abandonment of these men that the British people are invited to expel the Government which, among other services, has brought the war with Russia and now that with Pe.sia to an honourable termination, and, with the exception of China,—and must we add Naples ?-has not a single quarrel with any other Government in the world.
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THE DEFEAT OF MINISTERS. -1 LIVERPOOL, Wednesday. The defeat of Lord Palmerston has created general regret here, even amobg the non-mercantile class. MANCHESTER, Wednesday. The intelligence that Ministers had suffered a defeat on the China question, though not unexpected, has caused a great sensation here, because it is generally expected that it must lead to a dissolution of Parliament and an appeal to the country. The Conservatives, tho Freetraders, and the Ministerialists have all large parties in a community like this, and the event of last night has necessarily led to much discussion in all circles; but the only movement that has yet been made, so far as we can learn, has been by the Commercial Association. At a meeting of the Council of that body, held this morning, it was determined to convene a special general meeting of the Association for Friday, to consider how far the interest of commerce with China and elsewhere are compromised under the existing state of affairs in that country."
THE CORN TRADE. I
THE CORN TRADE. I CORN-EXCHANGE, March 4. The supplies of grain have not been extensive, and there is little alteration in the trade. Prices arc steady, with a moderate amount of business; and scarcely any change is anticipated to-day. DUBLIN, March 3. There was a steady market for every description of grain to-day. Our quotations of Friday were fully supported, and oats must be noted 6d dearer. Indian Corn dull as possible. HULL, 14arch 3. The weather during the week has been all that could be desired for spring sowing, which is now proceeding rapidly under the most favourable circumstances. The imports of grain have again been on a very moderate scale. At to-day's market there was a moderate supply of English wheat, which sold readily at fully last week's rates. Foreign held firmly, but the demand limited. Barley sold freely, and the best malting qualities were somewhat dearer. Beans and peas unaltered iu value. Oats dull, but not pressed at any reduction. NEWCASTLE, March 3. There was a good supply of wheat at to-day's market, and a large attendance of buyers. The trade was decidedly more animated, and a fair amount of business was transacted, at an advance of Is to 2s per qr. on the rates of last week. Malting barley in demand, and Is per qr. higher. No alteration in other kinds. At the cattle market to-day the boast trade was active, at full rates. Sheep were in good demand, at 4d per pound advance; beef, 6s to 8s per stone; pork, 7s to 7s 6d mutton, 86d to 9d. At Rotherham, yesterday, there was a fair show of both beasts and sheep, and all were sold at the following quo- tations :-Beef, 7s 9d to 8s 3d per stone mutton, 8id to 9d clipped, 7d to 74d per lb. _'1_ _HH' 'Y'
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I TRADE REPORT. I Wednesday Evening. SUGAR.—There is scarcely anything doing to-day. 1,183 bags of Penang at auction sold as follows :-Low to good yellow, 50s 6d to 55s middling to good brown, 48s to 50s; and low brown, washed, 43s to 46s 6d. 114 hhds. Bernice were taken in at 51s 6d to 53s 6d for brown and middling yellow. There have again bten no transactions to report in the West India market. COFFEE, RICH, SALTPETRE -No public sales, and the business effected privately is only to a moderate extent. JUTE.-700 bales at auction were held for jE22 per ton. T.tLLOW.- The market is dull to-day, at 613 6d for March 53s April to June and 52s to 52a 3d for last three months. COCHINEAL. 212 bags in public sale went at the pre- vious rates for ordinary, the better qualities rather dearer. Ill bags Honduras silver, low ordinary to good grain, 3s 3d to 4s 3d; 20 bags ditto black, small to middling, 4s to 4s lOd; 58 bags Teneritfe silver, low to good, 3s 10(1 l to 4s; and 23 bags ditto black, ordinary to good, 4s 3d to 4A 8d per lb.
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FLUKE POTATOES, NOW SO HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. F_rO BE SOLD, a large quantity of (, genuine Fluke i- Potatoes, at Woodlands, near Newcastle-Emlyn, at Six Shillings and Six Pence per Winchester. TIMBER FOR SALE. MESSRS. J, JONES AND G. DAVIES, BEG to inform the Public that they have about 900 Lots j) of Fir Trees, situate at Highmead, Llanwenog, County of Cardigan. The above Timber are of various dimensions, from a Pole up to 15 inches Girt, and are well adupted for Builders, Farmers, Contractors, &o. A Sale will be held every Tuesday until the whole will be disposed of. COUNTY OF THE BOROUGH OF CARMARTHEN. MR. DAVID REES, GUILDHALL-SQUARE, Is honoured with instructions to SELL BY AUCTION, on TUESDAY, MARCH 10th, 1857, on the premises, in UNION STREET, PICTON TERRACE, ALL the HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE, CHINA, GLASS, -I- and other effects, The property of Mr. SANSOM HEWSON Consisting of French and other Bedsteads, prime Goose Featherbeds, Bedsteps, Mahogany Dining and other Tables, Mahogany and other Chairs, grand Pianoforte, 6 octaves, by Broadwood, Mahogany, Oak, and other Chests of Drawers, Couch, Looking Glasses, Clock, Wardrobe, China, Glass, Earthenware, &c., with all the Kitchen and Culinary Articles, &c &c. Also, a quantity of superior ELECTRO PLATE. Catalogues arc now preparing, and may be had at the Auctioneer's Office. The Sale to commence at 12 o'clock at noon. CARMARTHENSHIRE. Unreserved Sale of Live Slock, well-harvested Crop of Corn and Hay, Implements of Husbandry, &c., &c. TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION, BY MR. MORRIS EVANS. AT VRONSCAWEN, In the Parish of Ilanboidy, On MONDAY, the 9th Day of MARCH, 1857, L "e STOCK, CROP, and other Effects, on the Ac? i d' F'S consisting of 8 D.ury Cows, 5 Two-year- old Ieifers, 6 Yearlins 6 capital Farm Horses, 3 Colts; 33 Eves and Lambs 1 Brood Sow with a litter of G Pigs 3 Stacks of Oats, 2 do. of Barley, 1 do. Mixed Corn, 2 Butts of Hay I Thrashing Machine, Carts, Ploughs, Harrows, Harness, Implements of Husbandry, Dairy Utensils, and other effects. The Sale to commence at 11 o'clock in the Forenoon. Terms-Ready Money. Carmarthen, March 3, 1857. }1L :<: '1f "ill, ,or LLANDILO STEEPLE CHASES WILL TAKE PLACE (WEATHER PERMITTING) On Thursday, the 26th of March instant, AT LLANDILO. J. W. M. Gwynne Hughes, Esq., Tregib, ) Capt. M. P. Lloyd, Glanscvin, ( Stewards. Capt. D. E. Jones, Velindre, ) THE OPEN STEEPLE CHASE, Of 5 sovs. each, two forfeit with not less than X- 40 added over about Four Miles of fair hunting country, Second Horse to save his Stake To close and name to the Stewards at the Cawdor Arms Hotel, Llandilo, on Tuesday, the 17th March, by 9 p.m. To be handicapped by tho Stewards or whom they may appoint. Weights to appear in this paper of the 20th instant, and acceptances to be declared on or before the 25th instant, at 12 at Noon. THE LLANDILO HANDICAP, Of 3 sovs. each, 1 forfeit, with not less than X20 added, over about Three Miles of fair hunting country. Second Horse to save his Stake. Open to all Horses not winners of any Race with £ 2-5 added. To be handicapped by the Stewards or whom they may appoint. To close and name to the Stewards, at the Cawdor Arms Hotel, Llandilo, on Wednes- day, the 25th March instant, by 9 p.m. All questions as to the entry and qualifications of Horses and all other disputes to be settled by the Stewards or whom they may appoint, and their deci'-ion to be final. The ffirfeits to be paid at the time of Entry, and all Stakes to be paid before Starting, or not entitled though a winner, Colours to be named at the time of Entry, and any Jockey appearing in different colours to those named to forfeit 10s. to the Fund. Scales and Weights, 5s. Three Horses, bona fide the property of different owners, to start for each race, or the public money will not be added. The Stewards Ordinary at the Cawdor Arms Hotel, at five p.m., and a Ball in the evening. By Order, GEORGE HUGHES, HOD. Sec. Llandilo, March 4th, 1857. 18.57. CAYO,RACKS, 1857\ THESE Races will take place the latter end of March. t Further particulars will be advertised. ( ARTHUR P. JONES, ESQ. STEWARDS, J j j THOMAS, ESQ. "LLANDEILO & ITS NEIGHBOURHOOD." BY WILLIAM DAVIES, (GIFILYJF TEILO.) T>Y the above Title a Work is about to be published, JC> which shall embrace the History and Antiquities, the Topography and Scenery, the Botany, Geology, and Natural History, the Commerce and Capabilities of LIandcilo and its Neighbourhood." For further particulars, see Prospectus, which may be had on application to Mr. W. DAVIES, Medical Hall, Llandilo. NOTICE TO THE DRS. & CRS. OF THE LATE JOHN THOMAS, LLANELLY. ALL Persons who stand indebted to the Estate of the J*Y? late JOHN THOMAS, Master of the Leonora Devas," who was lost at sea on or about the 3rd of January last, are requested to pay the amount forthwith to the undersigned and all persons having claims against the same are desired to send in particulars, in order that they may be discharged. MARY THOMAS. Union Inn, Sea Side, Llanelly. EAST INDIA HOUSE, the 4th March, 1857. The Court of Directors of the East India Com- pany DO HEREBY GIVE NOTICE, fflHAT the Finance and Home Committee will be ready, I on or before WEDNESDAY, the 11th MARCH. 1857, at Eleven o'clock in the Forenoon, to receive TENDERS, sealed up, from such persons as may be willing to supply the Company with 3,000 Tons of COAL for Steam Navigation, to be delivered at BOMBAY. The Tenders, specifying the several kinds of Coal, are to be made according to a Form which may be had upon appli- cation at the Marine Branch of the Secretary's Office in the East IndiaHouse, with conditions annexed and the Tenders are to be left at the Secretary's Office at any time before Eleven o'clock in the Forenoon of the 11th March aforesaid, after which hour no Tender will be received. JAMES C. MELVILL, Secretary. EAST INDIA HOUSE, March 4th, 1857. The Court of Directors of the East India Com- pany DO HEREBY GIVE NOTICE, THAT the Finance and Home Committee will be ready, J? on or before WEDNESDAY, the 18th MAKCH, 1857, at Eleven o'clock in the Forenoon, to receive TENDERS, sealed up, from such persons as may be willing to supply the Company with 3,000 Tons of WARLICH'S PATENT C.O?l ?SR STEAM FUEL, to be delivered at BOMBAY. The Tenders are to be made according to a Form which may be had upon application at the Marine Branch of the Secretary's Office at the East India House, with conditions annexed, and the Tenders are to be left at the Secretary's Office fit any time before Eleven o'clock in the Forenoon of the 18th March aforesaid, after which hour no Tender will be received. JAMES C. MELVILL, Secretary. In the COW¡ty C<w< of Carmarthenshire, holden at 19; the CO?61'ty Copire of Carmartheizslt i re, holde?t at Newcastle-in-Emlyn WHEREAS a Petition of Abel Davies, of Bridge- TY E feet, in the Town of Newcastle-Emlyn, in the County or Carmarthen, Saddler and Harness Maker, and also of Adpar Hill, in the Parish of Llandyfnog, in the County of Cardigan, Saddler and Harness Maker, an Insol- vent Debtor, having been filed in the County Court of Carmarthenshire, holden at Newcastle-in-Emlyn, in the said Connty, and an interim order for Protection from process having been given to the said Abel Davies under the Provisions of the Statutes in that Case made and provided. The said Abel Davies is hereby required to appear in the said Court, to be holden at Newcastle-Emlyn aforesaid, before the Judge of the said Court on the Twenty-Sixth day March, 1857, at Ten o'clock in the Forenoon precisely, for his first Examination, touching his Debts, Estate, and Effects, and to be further dealt with according to the Pro- visions of the said Statutes, and Notice is Hereby Given that the choice of Assignees is to take place at the time so appointed. All persons indebted to the said Abel Davies, or who may have any of his Effects are not to pay or deliver the same, but to Benjamin Evans, the Registrar of the said Court, who is the official Assignee of the Estate and Effects of the said Insolvent, at his Office, at Newcastle-Emlyn, in the said County. B. EYANS, Registrar, | DR. WASTFIELD, (ORGANIST OF LLANELLY CHURCH,) RESPECTFULLY informs the MUSICAL PUBLIC OF CARMARTHEN, that, in accordance with the wishes of his Friends, he has determined to visit Carmarthen every TUESDAY, for the purpose of giving instructions in MUSIC and SINGING. Terms and other particulars may be known on application to Du. WASTFIELD, LLANELLY. WANTED A FEW Hundred Tons of PIT POLES, to be delivered J"TL at the Railway Station, Llandilo. Apply to Mr. IIEES JONES, Agent for the Level Fawr Colliery, Cwmaman. Llandilo Station, 7th March, 1857. TO CHEMISTS. WANTED as Assistant, a Young Man, who with a fair r" address and a knowledge of the business, is acquainted with both languages. Apply with good references to lr. G. BROOM, Chemist and Stationer, Llanelly. WANTED immediately, a Junior Assistant in a re- ?Y spectable BOAIWrXG SCHOOL. He would be chiefly occupied in giving instruction in Reading, Writing, Arith- metic, and Geography. A Steady Noting Man who has received good training in a National or British School might be accepted. Applications addressed to A. B., care of Mr. PEARSE, Stationer, Wind-street, SWANSEA, shall receive immediate attention. LLANDOVERY-SOUTH WALES. TO BE LET, A BEAUTIFULLY situated COTTAGE RESIDENCE, 3 Sitting Rooms, 6 Bed Rooms, Good Offices, Gardens, Stabling, Greenhouse, &c. Hunting, Shooting and Fishing. The Vale of Towy Railway to Llandovery will be opened this summer. Apply to Mr. William Morgan, Railway Office, Llandovery ABERGWILLY. TO BE LET And entered upon on the 25th of March instant, f 11IIAT neat Residence called BWLCH COTTAGE, A situate in the Village of ABERGWILLY, about a Mile from the Post and Market Town of Carmarthen. The House contains Four Bed Rooms, Sitting Rooms and Kitchen, with Stable, Out-houses, and Brew-house, together with a good Garden. Capital Fishing in the immediate neighbourhood. For Rent and further particulars, apply to Mr. D. E. Lewis, John-Street, Carmarthen. Carmarthen, March 5th, 1857. Important to Spirit Merchants, Innkeepers, &c. TO BE LET, WITH IMMEDIATE POSSESSION, The IVORITES HALL, Aberavon, Glamorganshire. THE House is situated in a central part of the Town, Taiid consists of a large and well-fitted up Corner Spirit Shop, Bagatelle Room, Pariour, Sitting Room, Kitchen, Brewing Room, and extensive Cellars, Six airy Bed-Rooms, a large and commodious Club Room, not to be equalled in the Town. Three flourishing Societies have already been established there, the aggregate number of members being between 400 and 500. The House is adapted for an exten- sive trade, and the Tenant will be under no restrictions in buying. Rent moderate. Lease given if required. Fix- tures and Furniture (which will amount to £100 or £ 150) to be taken at a valuation, or in any other way to suit the Tenant. For further particulars apply to the Editor of this Paper, or to Mr. B. M. Davies, Aberavon. P.S This offers an excellent opening for a person who could combine the business of an auctioneer and accountant with that of the house. This advertisement will not be repeated. BARON COUlT, LLANGADOCK. In the case against David II ughes which appeared last week, the damages should have been stated 30s. instead of 10s. ERRATUM.—Llandilo National School.—In our last week's impression, under this heading, for Mr. E. Davies" read Mr. E. D. Evans." B.—No, uor on any other occasion. We cannot insert, or notice in any way, any communica- tion that is sent to us anonymously but those who choos- to address us in confidence will find their confidence re- spected. Neither can we undertake to return any manu- scripts whatever. It is requested that any complaints respecting the delay in the delivery of this Paper, be immediately addressed to he Editor, so that the proper representation may be made to he Postmaster-General. e- THE WELSllMANl S Published every Friday morning at Six o'clock.
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The defeat of Ministers on Mr. Cobden's motion, although not wholly unexpected has been received with surprise and dissatisfaction, and Lord Palmerston may safely appeal to the country for the support which a factious combina- tion in the House of Commons has refused. Arrangements are being made for a dissolution which cannot be com- pleted until the end of this month, and the Premier was last night to propose that certain indispensable votes should speedily be taken for that purpose, and it was expected that there would te no objection to this proposal. A more advantageous course could not be adopted than the one which Ministers have selected, as the constituents will now have an opportunity of expressing their opinion on the question raised by the Coalition and if we may judge from the feeling-the very strong feeling which prevails, the conduct of the Opposition will meet with emphatic condemnation, while the Palmerston Ad- ministration will be sustained by an accession of strength which cannot fail to paralyse every effort to destroy it for mere party purposes. This is almost certain to be the result, for "England does not love Coalitions," and parti- cularly such an extraordinary one that which for the moment has succeeded in embari .ssing a Ministry com- posed of statesmen free from the trammels of party, depending for support upon the character of the measures introduced by them, and the vigorous and discreet manner in which they exercise administrative power. Public opinion is decidedly in favoui of Ministers, and at the approaching elections it will fitly express itself. The intelligence of the defeat was received in Liverpool, Manchester and other important places with general re- gret, and on 'Change the announcement was heard with universal surprise and with almost universal regret and dissatisfaction," and according to the Times' city article of Wednesday, Scarcely on any political point within modern experience has the feeling of the commercial community been expressed with such general unanimity." And in our rural districts, we are assured, similar opinions are dominant, and the Coalition, so far as we know, meets with no sympathy, except from a few who entertain ex- treme views on every question As to the point at issue the people consider the plain facts apart from those nice legal quibbles which run through the debates in both Houses. The national mind has no aptitude for abstruse law points," while it readily analyses facts and generally arrives at a correct, and always at an honest conclusion respecting them, so that the Chinese question, as it is termed, did not present so many difficulties to its com- prehension by the public as astute and learned politicians had to contend with. We are not going to recapitulate the facts and the distorted forms in which they were sometimes presented, as in another part of this impression we have given the fullest details eonsistent with the space at our command but it does appear that the country has sifted them and instinctively reject those which are inconsistent with truth. We will not, however, enter into the discussion, as at present we are more concerned with the result of the division in the House of Commons on Tuesday, which is regarded with "exultation in every despotic Court, every meddling Legation, every intriguing salon, where the greatness aud good fame of this country is envied." A general election must necessarily create considerable excitement, but of a very different character to that on most former occasions, owing to the growing intelligence of voters and the prohibition of scenes which used to sully these national movements. It is confidently asserted that many who recently enjoyed the favour of the electors will find themselves in a minority, which is the most effectual method of expressing displeasure produced by oonduct that nothing but blindness to party can excusc. Some of the priacipal antagonists to Ministers will probably lose their seats unless fortune put in their way pocket boroughs." Mr. Cobden will have no chance in the West Riding, if the reports which are current be true, and Lord John Russell must go elsewhere than the city of London. Approaching nearer home we may state that the division list will possibly affect the representation of South Wales, although not to any great extent. The constituents notice with approval the votes in favour of Ministers by Viscount Emlyn, Mr. Morris, Mr. Philipps, Colonel Watkins, Sir John Owen, and Mr. Dillwyn. These votes are appreciated by electors differ- ing in political sentiments, but who know how to value independent, and at the same time, consistent conduct in political as in all other matters. The members for this county and borough will no doubt be returned with- out opposition, and Viscount Emlyn is sure of his seat for the county of Pembroke. It was stated that the independent course pursued by Mr. Philipps had given general satisfaction to the electors, and in consequence his return for Haverfordwest would not be contested but we find that Mr. William Rees, solicitor, has been put forward by the Liberals, who are already actively canvassing on his behalf. We have not heard of any opposition for Cardiganshire, so that Lord Lisburne will probably be re-elected. There is some talk of opposition to Mr. Lloyd Davies for the Cardiganshire Boroughs, and Mr. Lloyd, of Bronwvdd, has been named by the Li- berals. However, no official intimation has- reached us concerning it. No alteration is anticipated in Brecon- shire.
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CARMARTHENSHIRE. To SunvEYOits.—The instructions to make an alteration in the advertisement from the Local Board of Health, Llanelly, did not come to hand until the page in which it appears was printed. It should read, A knowledge of the Welsh language by the applicants desirable, but not indis- pensable. THE HOSTILITIES IN CHINA.—The following were in the list of the majority against Lord Derby's motion respecting the War in China:—The Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Mostyn, and the Bishop of St. Asaph (by proxy). In the minority in favour of the motion were—The Earl of Aber- deen, Earl Grey, the Bishop of Oxford, and Lord Dynevor (by proxy). Earl Cawdor paired against the motion with the Earl of Harrington for; as did also Lord Campbell against with Lord Delamere for.—In the House of Commons on Tuesday night, for Mr. Cobden's motion (majority 263), William Williams, Sir. Joseph Bailey, Crawshay Bailey, Sir George Tyler, Howel Gwyn, Sir John Pakington, D. A. S. Davies, O. Morgaft, Lord John Russell, Lord Stanley, Lord Goderich, Benjamin Disraeli, William Gladstone, William Fox, Austen Layard, J. A. lloebuok, and E. Card well. Against the motion (minority 247), Viscount Emlyn, Lord Palmerston, David Morris, John Henry Philipps, Sir John Owen, Colonel Watkins, Lewis Dillwyn, Sir Benjamin llall, Hussey Vivian, Edward Mostyn, and Walter Coffin. Mr. John Lloyd Davies paired for the motion, with Mr. Atherton against; and Lord Grosvenor paired against the motion, with Sir P. Egerton for. HER MAJESTY'S LEVEE.—His Royal Highness Prince Albert, on behalf of Her Majesty, held a levee (the first this season) on Thursday afternoon in St. James's Palace. Among the presentations were Mr: Propert, by Viscount Bovne. Sir J. J. Hamilton, Bart. and Mr. J. II. Philipps, fll.P attended the Levee. CARMARTHEN MONTHLY MARKET was held on Wednes- day last. There was a large number of fat cattle on offer, with a fair demand at from 4 id. to 6id. per lb. according to quality, sinking the offal. The number of sheep was very small and sold at very high prices. Cows with calves were on an average and fetched very high rates. A large number of fat and store pigs wore penned and sold at fully late prices. CARMARTHEN TRAINING COLLEGE.—At the recent an- nual examination at this institution, prizes in the drawing class have been awarded to the undermentioned studetits Second year, W. P. llartnell. First year, John Powell, John Smith, G. A. Page, E. Wiliiams, David Francis, tho la't named student having also, in addition, obtained a certificate of competency in the class. CHARGE OF STEALING A PAIR OF StroBs. -Oil Tuesday, before E. H. Stacey, Esq and Dr. Lawrence. Mary Ann Williams, a diminutive girl, apparently about twelve years of age, but who represented herself as eighteen, was charged with stealing a pair of shoes, the property of David Mitchell, Waundew. Eliza Mitchell, daughter of the prosecutor, de- posed to putting a pair of shoes outside her father's door on Saturday, and on Monday she missed them. The prisoner put several pertinent questions to the witness, with a view of eliciting corroborative evidence to her statement that she had given her threepence for them on Saturday. The wit- ness admitted talking to the prisoner on that day and receiving threepence from her for milk. Rachael Jones, wife of Thomas Jones, a labourer, living next door to the prosecutor, proved that the prisoner carried away a pair of s hoes from prosecutor's door oil Sunday afternoon. Her brother stood some distance from the house when the pri- soner took them away. They talked to each other, but not being acquainted with English, she could not tell what it was about. P.C. David Williams apprehended the prisoner at her father's house on the Parade. Her father refused to give up the shoes, and when he obtained them the prisoner informed him that she paid threepence for them to young Mitchell. The shoes were identified, and the prisoner was committed to gaol for fourteen days. CARMARTHEN FARMER'S CLUB.A meeting of the com- mittee was held on Wednesday, at the Golden Lion, for the purpose of selecting implements to be raffled for at the next quarterly meeting, when there were present—Mr. Butland, Clynmawr, Mr. Marsh, Treventy, Mr. Williams, Godor, and Mr. Olive. It was resolved that a curd mill, a turnip drill, an iron double or drill plough, and a horse hoe should be procured. THE APPOINTMENT OF ASSESSORS AND AUDITORS. On Monday last the following appointments in connection with the corporation of this town were made in the Town Hall For the Eastern Ward, Mr. T. H. Jenkins, and Mr. H. Harries, Election Assessors; Mr. Thomas Jones, Revision Assessor; and Mr. J. W. White, Auditor, For the Western Ward, Mr. J. N. Buckley, and Mr. D. W. Harries, Election Assessors; Mr. W. Rees, Revision Assessor; and Mr. R. Shankland, Auditor. CARMARTHEN PETTY SESSIONS. These sessions were held on Saturday last, in the Town Hall, before Capt. David Davies, Dr. Lawrence and Grismond Philipps, Esq. Daniel Davies and David Davies, Blaenycwm, were charged with neglecting to maintain their parents. Mr. Jones, relieving officer, proved that the defendants parents were in receipt of relief from the parish, and the defendant's who lived with them were able to contribute to their relief. Ordered that defendants pay Is. 6d. each per week. On Monday, before Captain Philipps, Joseph Bagot charged with' stealing shawls, &c., from the Blue Boar Inn, St. Clears, was re- manded until Saturday. William Charles Griffiths was brought up before Dr. Lawrence, charged with assault- ing P.C. William Meyler in the execution of his duty, at l'ontnntwn. The hearing of this case was also adjourned until Saturday. Mr. Francis Davies, fourth son of the late Mr. John Da- vies, ropemaker, of this town, has obtained an appointment as one of the principal ropemakers in Her Majesty's Dock Yard at Portsmouth. CARMARTHEN POLICE COURT.-At the Town Hall, before J. L Philipps, Esq., (mayor,) and E. H. Stacey, Esq. Thomas Lewis, shoemaker, Nantycaws, was brought up under remand on a charge of stealing from the person of John Llewellin. The particulars of this case appeared in our last impression, which we may recapitulate. The prisoner and prosecutor, with several others were in a public house drinking together late on Wednesday night. Llewel- lin was insensibly drunk," while his companions knew very well what they were about." Lewis who sat next to Llewellin put his arms round his friend, and stealthily slipping his hand into Llewelliu's pocket abstracted all the money that was there. He was detected by two men, who said nothing about it until Llewellin so far recovered his stupor as to miss his cash and accuse one of the others of stealing from bis person. A policeman was sent for, and on the representation of two witnesses Lewis was taken into custody. Llewellin appeared to day, & having stated on oath that he had not lost any money, the prisoner was discharged. The prosecutor subsequently admitted to the magistrates that he was too drunk to know what actually took place on the Wednesday. William Lloyd was charged with riding on his cart on the highway. This was an adjourned case in which there was conflicting evidence. Fro:n the statement of P.S. Lewis it appeared that defendant and a man named Lewis rode down the Monument Hill on a cart, which they were too drunk to manage and that when at the Royal Oak Gate the horses started off and an imminent accident was averted through the interference of a woman and Lewis. This statement was contradicted by defendant and Lewis, who admitted that they had been drinking, but denied tho facts as detailed by complainant. The bench repudiated the evidence of Lewis, which was contradictory in itself and opposed to probability. On this occasion David Morgan, toll collector at the Royal Oak Gate, confirmed the testimony of P.S. Lewit3, stating that on the day in question he saw defen- dant's cart driven by Lewis, descending the Monument Hill. Defendant was also in the cart, and Lewis drove the horses by the rein attached to the leader. The horses were trotting at the time, and the spreader" got loose. Tho other part of his evidence was merely corroborative. In defence Margaret Marks stated that she went down the Monument Ifill the same time as defendant's cart on tho day in question. Lewis walued alongside the cart until within a short distance of the toll bar when the spreader" broke. Lewis, who was clumsey in fastening it stiuck the horses, and they started off on a trot, and went the wrong load. She followed them and held the leader by the head. Josiah Davies said that he saw the horses taking the wrong road, and at that time defendant and Lewis were in the cart. Mr. Parry appeared for defendant and spoke in his favour, but the bench convicted him in the penalty of 10s. and costs. The complaint against John Evans for selling goods elsewhere than in the market was dismissed. Eleanor Morgan was charged with an assault. This was a trumpery case, which the court dismissed arising from the complaint of David Jones, a lad, whose ears were boxed by defendant for quarrelling with another boy. The complaint of assault by Eliza Morgan against Phcebe Jones, arising out of the ) Uceding case was also dismissed. Several poor rate ku-nmonses were disposed of to-day and at a special court on Monday, before the Mayor and Capt. Davies.
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was perfectly plain that Commissioner Yeh did not know that the vessel was not under British protection. Here wa* a public offence ostentatiously given in the face of a people who would be influenced by the act, and we asked not merely a reparation to the extent of the exact thing done, but which touched the moral and political wrong; and this was refused. The resolution was guardedly worded, but the people of England judged this question upon broader grounds. Mr. Roebuck recognised this as a vote of censure, not simply upon the officials at Canton, but upon Lord Palmer- ston and his colleagues. Why ? Because they had ap- proved all the acts of those officials they had assumed the responsibility, and the House ought to fix that responsibility upon them. The Attorney-General, he said, had argued, as if he had a retaining fee, a question which ought to be argued upon the principles of morality and humanity; and, supposing the law to be as he had put it, were the people of England, he asked, prepared to take upon themselves the responsibility of the proceedings at Canton ? If the Chi- nese were wrong, they erred in common with great lumina- ries of the law in this country, and why should they be p unished, their houses shattered and their relatives butch- ered ? But we had another plea, the Chinese, it was said, had broken the treaty. He wanted'to know if there had been no breach of the treaty on our part. Their refusal to let us enter the city should be dealt with ten- derly. Mr. Gladstone vindicated himself and Sir J. Graham from being supposed to be parties to the appointment of Sir John Bowring; but he protested against the making Sir John a stalking-horse to divert the attention of the House from the real matter at issue, which involved tbe interests of huma- nity and the honour of England. He adverted with warmth and severity to the remarks made by Sir George Grey upon Sir James Graham in relation to that appointment, and to some imputations cast upon him by Mr. Bentinck and Mr. Kendall, and. approaching the subject under discussion, he cleared it of matters which, he considered, bad been sub- stantially abandoned or disproved. One of these matters was that expressed in the cabalistic phrase "Insults by China," the volume recording which did not support, he asserted, the proposition that we had festering wrong against the Chinese. He reminded the House that no answer had been given to the objection that, if a wrong had been com- mitted by the Chinese in the case of the Arrow, the proper remedy was by reprisals. The Attorney-General had de- clined to deal with the question of title founded upon our municipal law the only document, he had alleged, was the treaty, and under that, if at all, the case against the lorcha must be made out. But he (Mr. Gladstone) denied that there was any authority for that position, which rested upon the doctrine of the Attorney-General, that the term Bri- tish subjects," in the treaty, meant any Chinese resident at Hongkong. When we talked of treaty obligations by the Chinese, what were our treaty obligations towards them ? The purpose for which Hongkong was given to us was that it should be a port in which British ships might careen and refit. Was not our contraband trade in opium a breach of treaty obligations ? Had our Government struggled to put it down, as bound by treaty ? Had they not encouraged it by establishing a fleet of lorchas under the British flag? They, he said, who put the British flag to the uses to which it was put in China stained that flag. Mr. Gladstone dwelt with much energy upon the calamities which the war had inflicted upon the Cantonese, a state of things, he observed, which the resolution invited the wisdom of Parliament to put an effectual check upon, tor what, lie asked, were we at war with the Chinese ? The Government had not stated what we were asking from them. Were we afraid of the moral effect upon the Chinese if the acts of the Government were disavowed? But consider, he said, the moral impres- sion which must now be produced, and never could be avoided. If the House had the courage to assert its prero- gative, and adopted this resolution, it would pursue a course consistent at once with sound policy and the principles of eternal justice. Lord Palmerston said, he should not have expected from Mr. Cobden such a motion, or such a speech in its support; nor should he have anticipated the bitterness of his attack upon Sir John Bowring, an ancient friend, a man who had raised himself by his talents, attainments, and public servi- ces, and whom he (Lord Palmerston) thought a fit person for the situation he held. If there was any man less likely than another to get the country into hostilities, it was Sir John Bowring, who had been a member of the Peace So- ciety. But what most surprised him in Mr. Cobden's speech was the anti-English spirit that pervaded it, and an abne- gation of the ties which bound men to their country and countrymen, which he hardly expected. With regard to the event which had given rise to this discussion, he should not go into the legal argument as to whether the vessel was English or not; this fact did not lie at the bottom of the question. We bad a treaty with the Chinese stipulating that British vessels should not be boarded without a previous application to the British Consul, and the question was, what did the Chinese know or believe as to the nationality of the Arrow ? Did thev consider her a British vessel ? He said they did, and if they knowingly violated the treaty, it was immaterial whether, according to the technicalities of the law, the register had expired. It was the animus of the insult,—the wilful violation of the treaty,—that entititled us to demand reparation for the wrong and an assurance of future security. He, however, thought, for reasons which he stated at some length, that the vessel was entitled to the protection of the British flag, and that the objections to the register were mere quibbles He insisted that, after the refusal of reparation,—only one of many violations of treaty rights by the Chinese,-hostilities were amply justified, and that our proceedings were marked by extreme forbearance compared with the proceedings of the Americans when their flag was insulted. The outrage committed on the lorcha was, therefore, only part of a deliberate system on the part of the Chinese officials to wrest from us a right essential to our commerce in those waters. The barbarity of the local authorities at Canton, the beheading of 70,000 in less than a year by the Commissioner, and the deformities of Chinese society, were strongly urged by Lord Palmerston, who com- plained that there had been in the debate a disposition to excuse or palliate these enormities. It had been said that reprisals should have been first resorted to, and so they were, he said, but without effect. The execution of the ulterior operations rested with Admiral Seymour, who, if of opinion that they were excessive, would not have permitted them. We were not at war with China by the last accounts the quarrel was still only local. To the ques- tion what the future policy of the Government would be, he replied that this must depend in a great measure upon the course of events; their first duty would be to protect British subjects in China. But for these events diplomatic intercourse might have been opened with Pekin, and an ex- tension of commerce been the result, advantageous equally to China and to Europe. What, he asked, was the Govern- ment expected to do ? To send out a message to Commis- sioner Yeh that he was right, and that he might repeat his outrage upon other British vessels? This would be with- drawing from the British community protection against a merciless barbarian it would disgrace this country in the eyes ot the civilized world, and especially in the estimation of Eastern nations. He concluded, after some pointed strictures upon the combination of parties confederated together upon this question against the Government by re- minding the House that it had in its keeping, not only the interests, the property, and the lives of many of our fellow countrymen, but the honour, the reputation, and the charac- ter of the country. Mr. Disraeli accepted the construction put upon the motion, that it was a vote of censure upon the Government, not upon the officials in China, and be thought Sir John Bowring had been unfairly treated in the debate if his conduct had been ratified by the Government it should not be impugned by he House. The question, he said, was not one of law, but of policy, the policy of the Government, which was by force, not by diplomatic action, to increase our commercial relations with the East; and the House was called upon to express its opinion upon this dangerous policy. He commented, in a straid of sarcasm upon the alarm at a supposed combination manifested by Lord Pal- merston, who, he said, was the very archetype of political combination without principle. Let the noble Lord, he continued, who complained that he was the victim of a conspiracy, not only complain to the country, but let him appeal to it. Mr. Cobden having made a lively reply the House divided when the numbers Werc- For the motion 263 Against it 247 Majority against the Government 16 1 After some further business the House adjourned at 25I minutes past 2 o'clock. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3. On the order for the second reading of the Industrial Schools bill, Mr. Aleock moved to defer the second reading for six months, the Bill being, in his opinion, superfluous. District schools had been established of late years for maintaining, clothing, and teaching children trades, which were well looked after by Government Inspectors, and with which this Bill would interfere. Reformatory prisons and schools also existed for vagrant children. He objected to the measure likewise because it raised ragged schools into undue import- ance, and because it was compulsory. The amendment was seconded by Mr. Hadfield. Mr. Baines, on the part of the Government, supported the principle of the Bill, the details of which he admitted were open to criticism. In large towns many children wandered stout destitute, and Parliament bad more than once sanc- tioned the principle of such a measure. Mr. Baxter supported the second reading, observing that the Industrial schools in Scotland had succeeded in dimin- ishing the amount of juvenile vagrancy and delinquency. Lord Stanley considered the principle of the Bill a sound one, and, as to the objection that the measure would compli- cate the law with respect to Reformatory schools, it was because Parliament had legislated on the .subject of those schools that this kind of legislation was required. This Bill gave to children who had not been convicted, but who were liable to fall into criminal habits, the same advantages as juvenile delinquebts. Mr. Gordon confirmed the statement of Mr. Baxter as to the salutary effects of Industrial schools in Scotland. Mr. Newdegate objected to some of the details of the Bill. Mr. Bowyer had so many objections to the principle as well as the details of the bill that he could not consent to the second reading. Its practical effect would be, he said, to send Irish Roman Catholics to schools where they would be unfairly proselytized. Mr. Adderlev defended the Bill, the effect of which would be, he said, to encourage district schools. The greatest care had been taken to prevent unfair proselytizing of Roman Catholic children. j Mr. Black added his testimony to the success of the Indus- trial schools in Edinburgh. rr, Spooner supported the Bill, which, however, in his opinion; required alterations, Mr. Palk objected to the application of the Bill to agricul- tunil districts-with limited resources. Sir G. Strickland was friendly to Industrial schools supported by voluntary contributiona, but objected to the principle of a rate, and he opposed the second reading. Sir J, Pakington.said, the Bi'l was directed to a portion of the greatest social question of the day, and, although it was not entirely free from objection, that was no reason why its principle should rot be assented to. He agreed that the mixing of poverty and crime must be guarded against; but this Bill dealt avowedly with a class of offenders against the law-uamøly, M children found begging." Mr. E. Ball supported the second reading as did Mr. Henley, who regarded the measure as a necessary supple- ment to the Reformatory system. It was a mistake to say that the Bill sanctioned the principle of a compulsory educational rate, He did not participate in the alarm felt by Mr. Palk AS to its effect in the agricultural districts. Mr. Barrow, feeling strongly the moral duty of clearing the streets of juvenile vagabonds, objected to a measure which, he said, was compulsory both as to the manner in which the funds were raised, and as to the withdrawing of children from parental control. He objected to the Bill likewise because it was superfluous legislation. Sir S. Northcote replied to the objections offered to the Bill, and after some further discussion, Mr. Alcock withdrew Ira amendment, and the Bill was read a second time. Mr. Whiteside moved the second reading of the Court of Chancery, Ireland (Titles of Purchasers), Bill, explaining its object. Mr. J. D. Fitzgerald opposed the Bill so far as it inter- fered with the working of the Encumbered Estates Court but he did not oppose the second reading. After a short debate, carried on by Mr. G. Butt, Mr. Macartney, and Sir E. Perry, the Bill was read a second time. The House adjourned at half-past 5 o'clock.