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Abergavenny Town Council.


Abergavenny Town Council. HOUSING RESPONSIBILITY. •COUNCILLOR TGMG,?A, MOTION. I A meeting of the Abergavenny Town Counc.il tfr wind aip the business prior to the Statutory elections was held on Monday rtigfrt. "The Mayor (Aid. Z,Vjieatley)..prtsiaed, and there were present Aid. Col. J. G. Bishop, Ald. T. A. Delafield, Councillors Major J. R. Jacob, P. Telford, W. Rosser, W. J. Tong, F. Mansfield, r A. C. Graham; J. R. Beckwith, R'. Iball and W. J. Meale. Municipal Enterprise. Councillor Rosser referred to the fact that the Streets Committee had grown a crop 'of 163 bushels of wheat on three acres, which was really an extraordinary yield, and he'thought about roo-per cent. in excess of the average yield this season. If municipal enterprise was as success- ful in other directions we should soon be free of rates. Councillor Tong A happy solution to our troubles. I Councillor Graham thanked Councilor Rosser for his congratulations. The Water Supply. j Alderman Bishop asked if there was any reason that the water supply should be worse than a fortnight ago. The supply to his house was practically nil. Sine something peculiar happened a fortnight ago they had had very little water. Councillor IamfieJd said that in that week's rc Chronicle there were certain times shown for pertain districts in the town during which the water would be available, but the Cantref was not shown, with the exception of Stanhope-street. Councillor Tong We are outside the pale. I am glad this complaint has been made, because I came here with the intention of making it myself. I have been without .water for four days. Councillor Beckwith Perhaps the elections have hadlsomething to do with it. Councillor Telford said he thought the Sur- veyor was doing everything he could to give everyone a supply, and he trusted that in the course of time everyone would have a supply at some time during the day. He had been round a part of the town that week, as they knew. (Laughter). There were a fair number of com- plaints, but people took it philosophically. He had really had more complaints round that table than from the burgesses. (" Question."} Alderman Bishop I shall be satisfied when I move into the same ward as Councillor Telford. (Laughter). Councillor Rosser We have not had water for a week. Increase in Town Hall Receipts. The Markets Committee's report stated that the comparative receipts from the General Market, Cattle Market and Castle, Town Hall and Pleasure Fair for September of this and last year were as follows :-General Market, £ 47 14s. 2td., compared with £ 30 15s. 7,1,d., gain £ 16 18s. 6d. Cattle Market, £ 79 14s. id., compared with £ 52 125. yd., gain of £ 27 is. 6d. Castle, £ 8 3s., compared with fO 5s. 2d., gain of il 2s. 2d. Town Hall, £.39 us. 4d., compared" with £ 6 7s. 6d., gain of £33 3s. iod. Pleasure Fair. t38 5s. 6d., compared with £ 29 6s. 3d., gain of £ 8 195. 3d. Councillor Jacob said that he was glad to see the comparative receipts increasing, especially on the Town Hall, which was a fine increase. The Hardy Monthly." Councillor Rosser said that he had promised a monthlyjdissertation on the weighing machine. A communication had been received from the Farmers' Union, of which he was a member- (laughter)—repudiating a statement made last month that they had been consulted, fnd he wished to ask the committee, when the time came that the weighing machine made its appearance in the Market—if the present members were still in existence-that an oppor- tunity should be given to the Farmers' Union to go into the question of the site again. The Town Clerk said that he had had a letter from the Secretary to the Farmers' Union to that effect, and he had replied that he would lay it before the commitie-e. Councillor Jacob supported Councillor Rosser. He knew that the farmers were discussing the question of the weighing machine very freely, and they said that it was not in the proper place I at the present moment. Councillor Telford said that he understood that the machine was already ordered. Could E the Town Clerk recollect the size ? I The Surveyor said that it was 8ft. by 4ft. 6ins. í Alderman Bishop suggested that the farmers should be consulted at once, so that if the machine ordered was not suitable it could be stopped at once. Councillor Rosser said that if the suggestion he had made with regard to the site was adopted the machine would have to be of a size to suit it. He did not want the machine to serve onlv present purposes and then become a white elephant. He wanted it to be of use after grading ceased. Councillor Jacob proposed that they ask the Farmers' Union to send a deputation of three to meet the committee, together with the auc- tioneers. It was absurd for those who knew nothing about it to decide where it should be fixed. They should consult those who did know. Councillor Rosser seconded. j. Councillor Telford Isn't it a fact that the | Farmers' Union have met the committee to ? discuss the site ? The Town Clerk read the letter from Mr. t Philip Williams, secretary of the Farmers' Union, who said that they should be consulted not only in regard to the site but also in regard to the choice of the machine, as it would be used more by farmers than anyone else.  Councillor Telford Am I right in assuming | I that they have already been met ? ? The Mayor I am under the impression that ?. they have. :• The Surveyor said that he met them on the t site with the chairman of the Markets Committee. Freo Advice. I i Councillor Graham said that it was strictly a b matter of administration, and he did not know | t. whether they were establishing any kind of precedent in asking the advice of people who did not run the show or find the money. He hoped ? in the future that when any other matter re- r quired the best expert opinion they would take as brave an action and be just as prepared to ? receive advice from other people concerning L other matters which came before the Council, ao that when the question of housing came along I they would possibly ask them to give the Council ( a lead, and the Council might also give them a í lead, and when it came to a question of expense 1 they would be prepared to take a tip from the k Council, as they were from them. Councillor Beckwith asked if the machine was f not already ordered ? The Mayor Yes. r Councillor Beckwith You can't make any I other arrangement without extra expense, and who is going to pay the piper ? Councillor Mansfield said it was unfortunate that the chairman was unable to be present. < Very great care was taken in order to ascertain i? the requirements in connection with the machine before it was ordered. He thought the auc- I tioneers and the representatives of the Farmers I Union were consulted, and the question of the ? site was the subject of considerable considera- ? tion. Most of the membm of the committee r paid more than one visit to the market, and went f into the question of the site very carefully. The weighing machine would have been fixed ere this if it had not been damaged in transit. Councillor Rosser said that he had a conversa- tion with Mr. Philip Williams, and he made a certain suggestion with a view to ascertaining t what their views were. He maintained that the ? best site would be by the pen going into the two f rings. It would be practically impossible for =. two auctioneers to be selling cattle in com- | petition at the same time. When grading ceased, a man would not be required to take f charge of the scale, because of the dial on the r machine. The cattle would weigh themselves r. automatically as they went into the ring. Councillor Telford said that he should like the L whole question to be discussed. It was not only I a question of weighing cattle, but of weighing p sheep or pigs. There was provision in their market for three auctioneers, and if they put the t, machine between the two they gave them a > monopoly. L Councillor Jacob's proposition was carried. The War MimoriaL I Reports of the War Memorial Cammittee were I submitted. At the first meeting it was resolved, after receiving a letter from the Cottage Hospital, that a wing to the Cottage Hospital be erected I H ■ ;.41,CW. JHiA for two beds, and a suitable tablet referring to the same be fixed in such a place as might after- wards be decided upon, this to contain the names of all Abergavenny men who had fallen in the war. It was also resolved that a joint meeting of this committee and the committee of the Cottage Hospital Committee be convened to discuss the scheme witi) tbqi^ecd th«».Coinrade$ of the to su,kmk £ lve names as their representatives on. the committee', At-the; joint .meeting -tlie Hospital Committee suggested, the conversion, of.the out-patients' .room into a ward to hold three .or four beds,-it was decided that an appeal, for subscriptions for a war memorial on these lipes be issued." The Comrades of the Great War nominated the following as their representatives ;—Major s.; W, Powlett, Major J. R. Jacob, Messrs. J.. Sha\y (59 North-streer), F. Walder (54 St. Helen's-rd.), an.d W. Loxley (39 St. Helen'.s-rd.) Councillor Rosser. asked whether, if they adopted, this report, it was not taking from the War Memorial Committee, which had not met since the joint conference, the.right of deciding what form the memorial, should take..It was for the War Memorial Committee to pass a resolution. The Mayor That is so. It is for the War Memorial Committee. You are not bound to adopt this report. The Town Clerk said that the report was only submitted for information. Councillor Rosser It was proposed by Coun- cillor Jacob and voted on in the conference. That is the function of the War Memorial Com- mittee. Councillor Graham said that there was a precedent for the submission of this report. It had been resolved that all meetings with which members were connected should have a report attached to their monthly .reports so that they would be aware of what was taking place. The Council had no right to adopt such reports. Councillor Telford said that if the report was there for their information and guidance he was very much surprised that he War Memorial Committee had not met for six weeks. He thought they ought to be ashamed of themselves. They talked about lukewarmness in the town, but thev were just as bad. The Responsibility of Housing. I Councillor Tong moved that the suspension of the standing orders relating to committees now cease. Councillor Graham asked whether this was meant to be temporary. Councillor Tong said that it would be within the knowledge of the Council that he moved that the standing orders relating to committees be suspended until November ist. Councillor Mansfield seconded the proposition. Councillor Tong then moved that the standing orders relating to committees be resumed, and this was carried. Councillor Tong said that the object of it all was in order that they could comply with red tape. He was anxious that the Housing and Town Planning Committee should not only have credit for the work they had done, but blame as well, if necessary, and it was only right that every member of the Council should take his share of the credit, should there be any, or of the blame, should there be any. He therefore moved that the Housing and Town Planning Committee consist of the whole Council. Councillor Rosser seconded. Councillor Telford: Can any committee con- sist of the whole Council ? Councillor Graham said that while he agreed with Councillor Tong, he thought they should make it clear before they passed the resolution that there was going to be a small sub-committee, as they had in all other committees, to take action in case of necessity. Councillor Tong said that his resolution was that the committee should consist of the whole Council. He wanted to make every member responsible for the handling of the question of housing and town planning at Abergavenny. Alderman Bishop said that he supported the resolution because he had no opportunity of learning about the housing question, and he should like to obtain some information as to what it meant and as to the ways and means of carrying it out. Councillor Beckwith said that he was in favour of it, if it meant that they were going to get a move on. He was in favour of a com- mittee as suggested by Councillor Graham. Councillor Graham said that in his opinion this was simply going to talk the matter out. He made no reflection against Councillor Tong. Councillor Tong Is there any need for me to answer that, because it is furthest from my thoughts to do anything to obstruct business. I believe we should do our business in a proper way, and I don't believe in small committees, but large committees, and it will be the fault of the members themselves if they don't attend. If we have a fixed committee we shall have fixed nights for meeting and proper time for discussion and not a quarter of an hour, as we had to-night. They might have a sub-committee for a special purpose, as they had at present. The resolution was carried. Councillor Tong said that his next proposition showed that he was trying to add to the effec- tiveness of this committee. They had a stand- ing order that the chairman of certain standing committees should be ex-officio members of the Finance Committee. He wanted this com- mittee to be what it ought to be, a fixed com- mittee, and he moved that te chairman of the committee be an ex-officio member of the Finance Committee. Alderman Bishop seconded, and it was carried.