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L ) 1" r; r' 1'S' <oj I Ai I l'i!! 'iô. I D. MORRIS, M.P.S. | i!F11d{ I i'I .¡; Å'.&i .Kh"I.f'1 .o;1 a- Disposing and Family Chemist, MARKET STREET. Near Vint's), LLANELLY. jcndon and C-slcrlial :f-irlee in iirct- hiss Pharmacies, and for foiir year* senior Pharmacist to a large hrzi a hemiets hi South Africa. All goods of the tightest quality &ad lowest possible PRESCRIPTIONS CAREFULLY DI& PENSED BY D.M. PERSONALLY. etephona 116.

 1, 4 y Bi?ry Por!' Tf?.?edy I ø j ;? II J +— 1 CORONER'S INQUIRY LAST NIGHT. I La*t evening Mr. Brodie held a coroner's inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the death of the two-year- old on of Elizabeth Mundy, who, it will lie remembered, was drowned on the beach. The circumstances surrounding the tragedy were most pathetic. The tile, t,- ,i g d y i-i- woman, who lives at Morlan terrace, Burry Port, is the wife of a soldier, Sergt Frank Mundy.. Mrs. Mundy was found on the beach at Burry Port in a state of collapse. The child was in her arms, and both the mother's and the child's clothes wore wet, indicating that they had been in the water. The woman made the following statement to a wit- ness :— "I have brJken rny ¡warl." bach, I have broken my heart, j f have been in the water, and Frank is di owned. I don't know what made me do it. I feel had." .-he was later con- fined to bed, and, when Dr. Owen il- Han? visited her she made this state- ment in the presence of her father :—- "[ \\?nt out and on to the bcach. and whilst there saw a piece of timber in the sea. I left the two children (FLink and sea. I'left the tv. 'o children (Fran? an d another ) on the beac-li and went into the I water to fetch it out. hiist there a strong wave threw me down. When I got up I saw Frank in the water, and I pulled him out, hut heappeared to he dead." Evidence confirming the above was given, and the mother herself was sworn, I and gave evidence. The jury returned a verdict of "Drowning by accidentally falling into the sea."

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I Roll of Honour I I TWO BROTHERS. I Pte. J. E. Williams, son of Mr. and Mrs. John Williams, 4, Mill-lane, was admitted to hospital on September 14tli suffering from fever. On the previous day, his brother, Pte. W. G. Williams, S.W. Borderers, was also removed to hospital, dangerously wounded, and died a few hours later. The parents have re- ceived a letter of sympathy from the chaplain, and the following communica- tion is from his matron:—"I am sorry to have to tell you th,lt your son, Pte. W. G. Williams died in this hospital to- l day. He had lie en badly wounded in the i chest and abdomen, and was beyond all earthly 'help at the time of* admission, and died a few hours later. Everything possible was done for him, and he had no pain. I do not think ho realized how badly he was wounded, and passed away quietly without leaving auy message." Prior to enlisting, deceased was em- j f-lev ed at the Pembrey Munition Works. Pte. John James, 11th Welsh Regt., son of Mr. Joseph J ames, rOllnt Pleasant, has died of wounds in France, where he had been only five weeks. Prior; to the war Pte. James, who was 29 -,vears of age, was employed as an assistant at the Home and Colonial shop. The young- soldier was married only two months; ago. He had a brother, Pte. D. James, i'l the same regiment as himself.

 hrO' Col!t'1¡.on 1 ,? '? ion. I Dh.?rous Co lA? LOCAL ENGINEER DROWNED. j A disastrous collision took place in the Irish Sea on Saturday night between the s.s. Ravensworth and a Belfast steamer, which resulted in the sinking of the Ravensworth, five of the crew being missing. \e regret to say that among them is a well-known Llanellyito, Mr. W. Charles Hinkin, of Walters road, who was second engineer. The deceased ivalt the son of Mrs. Hinkin-Williams and grandson of the late Mr. Simon James (Gwalwyr Gwillt). He had many friends in the town and had been on sea for eleven years. He will be greatly missed by those who knew him, and his bright, expressed with the bereaved family. cheerful disposition. Much sympathy is It is a pathetic fact that within a week of the tragic occurrence, Engineer Hinkin had the pleasure of meeting his brother, Driver Eddie Hinkin, A.S.C., in France. The ship on which he was then engaged happened to call at a French port just at the time when his soldier brother was returning to the front after ton days leave. They had not seen each other previously for over four years. This lends an added pathos to the tragic end of our young, townsman. Another brother Pte. Emrys Hinkin is on active service in Egypt.

Collier Run Over -— SAD FATALITY AT TRIMSARAN. I Thomas Rees (li), Old Sands, Trini- r-aran, was admitted to the Hospital en 'fedncsday. It appears that while on a mineral line connected with the Trim- saran Colliery he was knocked down by an engine which passed over his legs. He removed to the Hospital where both his legs were amputated, and he died at midnight.

I Waiting for his Appeal I I ?-I Lieut. Ingrams at the Police Court on Thursday summoned a local plumber for being an absentee under the Military Service Act. l(, Cnrpl. J. Smart having proved the serYin?oft?.e e,'?in?u??';tice. D.'t.- Ser?t. T. D.n'iess.ud th?t defendant when t-Id he had a warrant for his ar- rest, replied "I have an appeal coming off before the County Tribunal on Friday next. Defendant agreed to .surrender himself that day. Defendant.said lie took the notice he received together y; i tll the letter from the clerk to the County Tribunal to the Recruiting Office, and Lieut. Martin can- celled the calling up paper. This was about three weeks ago. When he called there on Monday with the letter he was told that if he went to the Army and the County Tribunal granted him two months further exemption he would be recalled from the Army. Letters were also put in as to what transpired at the Borough Tribunal, and  j the e:is? tv?\ deferred.

f Lspt. Lrem!yn and Lu. I      I A DISCUSSION ON THEOLOGY. A conscientious objector named D. J. Griffiths, 01 Heolhen farm, Llwynhendy, appealed at the meeting of the Carmar- thenshire County Tribunal held at Llan- elly yesterday, and said he was employed as an engineman at the Glyneoed Col- hery, devo 'ng his spare time to farm work. fit his..rf'peal Griffiths said he could not undertake military service directly or indirectly. All wars were positively an- tagonistic to the spirit and teachings of Christ whose person had dominated his life for years, and his nature was con- strained not only not to slay his fellow men but ewn not to he angry with his brothers. He was compelled to obey God rather than man. Testimonials were read from the. Rev. J. Evans, Bryn, and another. Capt. Cremlyn: In both letters read. the purport was that you lead a definite Christian life and that you are sincere and honest. Can you bring any evidence before this Tribunal that you ever pub- licly declared before the war that you were opposed to any kind of war for any purpose ?—No. Hey. J. Evans: You told me in Aug. 1914. Appellant: At. the beginning of the war I did. The Chairman (Mr. Wm. Griffiths) It does not follow that a man is a con- scientious objector merely because he is :1 thorough Christian. i Capt. Cremlyn: That is my point. I j may say that I accept every word of what the letter writers have said, but the man himself says he never uttered a word against war before August 1914. (To the appellant) Have you ever studied the history of Christ- carefully —Yes. Capt. Cremlyn Then what is your ex- planation of Christ's word to "sell your raiment and all you have got to buy a sword "-T, it wa-s on the eve of His betrayal and He tokl them to sell their garments to prove to the world that He gave His life for the world. Cremlyn: I am afraid your the- ology is a bit mixed. What is a sword for ? It is rot to plough land with, is it ? Appellant He said that to prove that He gave his life for the world. Capt. Cremlyn: I cannot follow your reasoning. Cant. Cremlyn: You state tlfat you arc constrained not to slay your fellowmen, but also not to be angry with them. Was Christ never angry with His fellow men ? —No. Capt. Cremlyn: Didn't he drive them out from the Temple ? Rev. J. Evans: No. Cremlyn: I am not asking you any questions. Appellant: He drove the atrnnal-s out of the Temple. Capt. Cremlyn: Do you mean to say He never drove the merchants out of the Temple ? Appellant: Animals in the Temple You are thinking of Daniel in the Hon's Yo,,i qre ihiiii?,]ng ol Dii,.iel iii The lion's The appeal was dismissed.

Sentenced to three years' penal servi- tude at the Central Criminal Court yes- ) terday for a purse robbery, a man asked to be allowed to join the Army. He pleaded that he had never had a chance. Twenty-two years of his life had been sepnt in prison, and his age was only 43. "f want to die a clean death," he said.

TOO LATE FOR CLASSIFICATION I WANTED, a rcsp('ctalkWo.1L:t-;o I "V \<1:h; wages s. ?d. per day and Ni-a.?ii iN-ag(,s Thomas, 51, Station Ai)l)lv, -11. T I-?oiiias, Stitioll LOST, on Wednesday, between Mar- ket street and Penalit, a Lady's Lace BOOT. Finder rewarded. Apply, Star Office. GOOD General SERVANT Wanted. Apply, Mrs. Randell, Hall street, Llanelly. GENT'S BICYCLE, B.S.A., for Sale; three speed, new tyres, new lamps, carrier, pump, and bag of tools; all com- plete in good condition. Apply Star Office. I k.N,TED GIRL to deliver Papers, mornings nly. Apply, 17, Market street. -J- — Pss'r C ir.dvv'ch Servers for serving four different kinds of Sandwiches 5 jjti, 1 ox.-stat' Stationery Stores.

I State Purchase 1. h.. t.l l !:t' LADY HOWARD AND THE PRIME MINISTER. The policy of State Purchase uf the liquor trade with local option was. en- dorsed by a representative convention at Llandrindod on Thursday. In moving the resolution, Lady Howard said she was asked that day if it were true.that the Prime Minister's contention was that there should be local option without State purchase. Iler ladyship could only answer that query by saying that she at Downing street on May 11th when the Prime Minister, replying to the deputation from Wales, said that one of the great features of this State %purchase was to be local op- tion (cheers). It had been a great day for Temperance workers; they could see the prospect of some progress. Her hus- band was for 36 years engaged actively in the Temperance cause (cheers), and she was glad to say that before lie died he saw the dawn of State purchase and rejoiced (cheers). Councillor Peter Wright (Newport) seconded the resolution, which was sup- ported by Mr. Lewis Haslem, M.P., and Hev. Thomas Hughes, and carried with cheers.

MILITARY MEDAL FOR DAFEN BOY The official announcement is made cf the award of a Military Medal to Sergt. J. G. Morris, R.F.C., son of Mr. and Mrs. J. S. Morris, Macseaniier place, Dafcn.

TRAINING TOO SHORT? I It was reported at. Carmaitnenshire War Pensions Committee at Carmarthen on Thursday (Aid. W. N. Jones in the chair) that five discharged soldiers who had been sent hy the committee for a course of training at Bath had failed to secure employment on completing that course. The training institution de- clared that the men had had an ail- round training in general engineering, and also in the special subjects of tool- making and tool-setting, and were now ready to take up practical work. Mr Ov?n. manager of the Employment Exchange at Llanelly, said the manager of a shell factory had tolcl him he con- sidered that the period of training the men had undergone was ridiculously short. Mr. S. 0. Da»vies said the men were now more handicapped than when they started. It was resolved to ask the advice of the Ministry of Pensions in the matter. The Chairman said the new scheme evolved by the Joint Pensions Committee would deal satisfactorily with ahe whole question of training. «

ST JOHN TISKG BRIGADE. The first meeting of the St. John Nursing Brigade will be held at Market street School on Wednesday next, Sept. quested to attend. There are now lo3 wounded soldiers at Stebonhcath Hos- pital and a staff of 20 V.A.D.'s is neces- sary. Those willing to help in this work (with or without certificates) are requested to send in their names without delav to Miss Brodie, commandant.

BURRY PORT URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL. WANTED immediately, a HAULIER, for Council work, wages £2 a week. Apply, H. Bowen Jone?, Surveyor. Somerset House, Burry Port.

MATCHES IN GUNPOWDER II FACTORY. For having matches into the Royal Gunpowder Factory, John V. h\- man, a munition worker, of Hertford, was fined £ 10 at Y\ altham Abbey jester- day. The chairman of the bench oi magistrates stated that if there were any- more such cases they would have to adopt sterner measures in the interest of all employed at the factory. The danger which became imminent "when matches were taken into the factory was I appalling.

THE HRiCE OF ViOYORY. The death Inaction on September 11 hsi?pnr?d of Guy Makland-Addkon, L??d33. Hcl-.thef?-?rth ..cucf thc h. e Major Alfr." :i ::e-; v fall in the service of the country.

 i 1 1 COH;;li;V A "n:: Is I I Coll iery Appeals. | "THE WONDERFUL WOMAN." Five colliery cases were dealt with at the County Tribunal yesterday, the re- spondents to the appeals made by Lieut. Ingram,s being James Morris, Director's Cottage, Trimsaran; T. M. Jones, En- gine bn, Llangenneeh: (. Williams, 45 New street, Burry Pert John Thomas, Derlwyn, Fron terrace, Llanelly, and H. i.dwarcts, Sapply Stores, Bynea. Ah\ J. Lewis Phillips, en behalf of Morris, asked that the case should lie dealt with by the Colliery Tribunal. In appealing for Morris, the Trimsaran Colliery Coy. said the man who was a clerk had control over the traffic g> over the Company's private -a- ay d all stores for the colliery and brnkwor. s were under his charge. The Tribunal directed that the case should be proceeded with and Morris said he was Classed Bl. In adiition to the colliery, he had to do the clerical work for the brickworks and an estate of 800 acres on which there were 100 workmen's houses and eight farms. There were .500 men employed and the daily output of coal was 300 toss and oO.OOO bricks per week. Mr. Phillips: W o have heard of the wonderful woman; you have to jump on waggons I believe ? Morris: Yes. Mr. Phillips Could a woman do thatr -No. Capt. C renilyn: Why net? Mr. Phillips: We hear cf the wonder- till woman at the every Tribunal but we have not seen her yet. Mr. Evan Jones, dire- tor, said a sub- stitute could not be found. If such a person was available Morris would be relea vd immediately. said that even if Morris went to the Army the a day. Mr. Phillips: But you don't know as you are not a prophet or the son of a prophet. Col .Pearson I have hod 20 years ex- perience and I have net known any col- liery to stop when a man has died or gone awav. I have not understood that this man is a pay clerk, and if so he is Oil the technical staff. The Tribunal allowed the appeal, the mail not to bo called up for three months The case of Edwa: (h, who was repre- sented by Mr. Lee lie Williams, was taken in private. C.Williams did not put- in an appear- ance and the military appeal was al- lowed

In a Filthy Condition. -0 A PWLL FATHER AND HIS CHILDREN. Wm. Brazell, Chapel row, Pwll, was I prosecuted at the Police Court on Wed- nesday for cruelty to his children aged 11, 8 and 3 years respectively. Mr. Martin R. Richards, on behalf of the N.S.P.C .C., said the particular charge against the defendant was that the house and the bedrecm in which the children were kept and the children them selves were in such a filthy condition as to be bound ultimately to endanger their health. When Inspector T. Idris JOIiCS called at the house on June 17th lit found that the defendant's wife, who unfortuna lely had cued since, was suffer- ing from cancer. The whole surroundings were extremely filthy, and all the chil- dren sh'pt in the same bedroom a? the wife who was su?-!)ng from this very 1:) rT"'r :í"' ''1'1,1 serious clhea.-e. The wife was removed l:) the workhoa-e infirmary that day and tiie officer told the defendant that the bedding would have to he barnt and the who le i)l aee cleaned up. hut this was not done until S«.-pt. 0h. 'lr.l2 neighbours had been extremely good, to the children, and Lady Howard, who lived close had provided them with clothing. Since *~ept. oth t here had been an improve- ment. Evidence rawing been given, defendant pleaded guilty, and the Bench on the ::1}g-(-t::1 of the Society, bound the de- i end ant over for 12 months on payment of the costs.

i NEXT MONDAY'S D F MCNSTRAT! ON. j Under the auspices of the National T-ii(l(,i- tho of ti-ie -Not-?ur?,,tl 'i'.)nv.;n h? Ldd at ?!.o?L.?kct Hall c3 I Monday next. The r enters will include the Right Hon. Win P..too. M.P.. Mr. j Llewelyn 1,Yilki, M ;md Mr. H. i Pond. T'a a* .45 p.lll. j

rr¡-ç;c ASTERISKS. Nearly an inch of rain tell at C'wm- ihedi on Thu; J.y. Jlii, 1, a tecord for September. Bishop, regional of the e UllTy Court, is now lecuneu.Jng in tne ;cll-rh ot France. < There was another scene at the Dancing Ciass tnis weei- Another fine ad vertise- ment for the Parish Hall I he Conciliation Board will meet un Friday. Octoner 5th, to deal with the claim ior a 100 per cent, war bonus for tinplaters. • • m m Monday's meeting ci the- Tradesmen's Association has been postponed on ac- count of the Vi ar Aims demonstration at the Market Hall. < • • The Intermediate Schools which, re- opened this week, are fuller than ever this term. Extensions of the premises are badly needed. < < A London newspaper referring to Sergt Ivor Rees, gives the Y .C.' s address as "Llanelly, ncar Pvdl." We must really protest against this. 0 0 0 Licensed hcuses arc still valuable, in spite of Control Board restrictions. The York Hotel was withdrawn from auction this week at £7.00. Among those who have sent messages ot congratulation to the Pwll V.C. is General Sir James Hills-Johnes, Y.c.- one of the oldest wearers of the coveted distinction. < < < Mv. -Binco. win trill speak at the meet- ing on Tuesday, has not been heard in Llanelly he became a member of the Govo'.ninent. Have his m.Pistachios grown since thpn, we wonder ? No more popu lar promotion has been | gazetted than that of Major Nevill to be Lieut .-Colonel. The letters from local s stx-ak eloquently of whu the rank and file think of their gallant clm-t. "What was the most terrible sight you saw in the trenches F' asked the inter- ested friend. "Well." replied the soldier, just heme from France, "the svai ter- j rible sight I saw was the sergeant's face when I broke the rnm jar." Military distinction^ are heir.g showered upon the Pwll. Following upon the V.C. I to Sergt. Ivor Rees comes tne news that Lieut. Stephen Phillips, a former teacher at the Pwll School, has been awarded the M.C. All Sarnt's Church is built on land pre- sented a-s a gift by the late Mr. Goring Thomas. "It was erected," we are told, "entirely by voluntary contributions through the efforts ot the present Vicar (Canon Williams) assisted by the zealous laity of the parish." In forme days there was a St. David's Church at Llwynhendy, but to-day it i-s a hopeless ruin. The Old Coach road ran considerably above the present main road to Uhtnelly, and whori tbp founda- tions of the present church were ex- cavated quantities of hum re' 1 ':T? wore discoveied, with teeth in a perfect stnte. disc'ovpied. with teeth in a p?. f ee'L  t e. -X- -r Music occupies all illl1}ctLDt 11ir.ee Îl1 the curriculum of Llanelly schools. Kand- staff exe'-cises arc taken and their im- portance in ain- ing and ne morizing of tunes is fully re- cognized. In the singing of the selections usually given include folk songs sung in V\\?-? ::d etk. "s t-.y lnuiieians of repute.

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NOTES ( THE DAY. I rea ''v'JI.11.u .b..b From our London Correspondent. "A CLF.Aft JOB OF IT." Germany's reply to the POpl." s peace Note will be published in a, few days. To judge by the German Press it will con- tain a new peace offer by the Central Empires. If these newspapers are well- informed one of the proposals in the ,*>eace offer will be a promise by Germany to evacuate the French provinces now in German occupation and to restore the independence of Belgium. If that is all there is not much prospect of a settle- ment being reached. While it is true that the preservation of Belgium sovereignty is one of our main objects in the war, there are others almost of equal importance that must be achieved. What about Serbia, Armenia, Palestine and unredeemed Italy? A peace which left these problems unsolved would sow the seeds of future wars. No; we must make a clean job of it this time. After the awful sacrifices and long agony of this war we must have a stable, not a precarious peace; and there can be no, stability unless not merely the Belgian question, but the Turkish, Italian and Serbian problems arc satisfactorily solved, not to speak of those large ideal aims represented by disarmament and I the League of Nations. PEACE WHICH IS NO PEACE. It would therefore be an illusion to build high hopes on any peace offer that may be made by Germany in the next few days. Everyone wants peace. The world is weary of the unceasing bloodshed and suffering that the war has brought in its train. But a peace which is no would mean another war in the itext decade, and from a repetition of the horrors which the world is now enduring we are in duty bound to protect the fu- ture. Germany wants peace now as sincerely as s he willed war in 1911. But the peace she wants is a German peace, than which nothing could be more men- acing to the future of civilization. As we cannot yet impose our terms on the enemy we must make up oar minds for the continuation of the war into 1918 and take measures accordingly. POSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT. The Certainty of another winter of war- I fare has a subduing effect and there are marked symptoms of war weariness among our people. This feeling must not be allowed to grow unchecked.There is need for a vigorous propaganda to sustain and encourage public opinion. With the lofty patriotism characteristic or him, Mr. Asquith has consented to H1Jress a couple of public meetings next -)I*e iuoetill'S next situation. "Would i;i-.is th ex-Minis- ters imitated his high example of self- forgetfulness. Mr. Asquith has no rea- non to be grateful to the leading mem- bers of the present Government or con- siderate in his attitude to them; but he is big enough .to place patriotism before personal feelings. Few nun of our time have a loftier conception of public duty. Jm for the Government itself there can he no doubt that it is losing public- eon- iidenee. Hardly one of the high hopes cherished in many quarters on its iorma- tioa have been realized; and the democ- racy is rightly suspicious of men of the type of Lord Curzon, Lord Milner and Sit" Edward' C'urzon. Iieavens! what a triumvirate in a Cabinet waging a war of liberty. It is a mercy 'that the influence of these reactionaries and arch-Imperial- ists on the war aims of the Allies will be neutralized by the liberal ideas and gen- uine democratic impulses ,of a man like president Wilson.

The ca fmids of the Amalgamated Society of Jh:g: ■ at £Ð32,íSG.

Tribunal Scenes. -ô- LIVELY EXCHANGES AT BERRY PORT. I 'J I' "1- 1 1. T he"c was a lively exchange of compl i- m-n[s at the meeting of the Burry Port Tribunal on Tuesday when the case of W. Tranter, Elkington road, came up for consideration. Thc> Chairman asked the appellant for dctails as to the family history and was I informed that there were three brothers I t'llat v,-ci,o tlree liro*,Iiers Lieut. Jngrams said that one' ot the brothers was in the Navy and two in the R.A.M.C., and therefore non-combatant. Mr. Tranter speaking with consider- able feeling, protested against the sneer- ing references of Lieut. Ingrains to the record of his brothers. Were not men wanted for the R.A.M.C. ? His brothers had gone where they had been sent. He would like to get the record of Lieut. Ingrams. Lieut. Ingrams: I have been out in France. Tranter Yes, and it would be very in- teresting to know how long you were there. Lieut. Ingrams: I protest, Mr. Chair- man, against the way in which I am t mated by this man. He must not cross- examine me in this fashion- Mr. Trantor: Then you must conduct yourself in a gentlemanly way. -;& I ANOTHER ALTERCATION. Another scene occurred during the consideration of the case of Evans, Gorse road, engaged at the office of his "brother, Mr. F. J. Evaiis.shiphroker. Lieut. Ingrams: I would like to know what this chap is doing. 1fT, F. J. Evans (sternly): ad-, dress him as a chap, address him as a man. I object to your addressing him in such common, low language. Lieut. Ingrams: But in these days, we address each other as chaps. However, it you object, I will call him a nobleman or a gentleman. Mr. Evans: No, I wont have any of that. If you are addressing him, you must be courteous and respectful. Call him a. man. Liut. Ingrams objected to the re- marks of Mr. Evans and proceeded to ask for further information as to the work of the appellant. Mr Evans said that he was doing work of the greatest national importance and it could not be done by a woman. In Let, he and his brother were working seven days a week. They were doing the v, ork hieut. Ingrams: Just the sort of men we want for the Army (laughter).