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ABERGAVENNY BOARD OF I GUARDIANS. THE LATE MARQUESS' SOLICITOR I AND THE WORKHOUSE. NOT PREPARED TO EXTEND THE t TENANCY. The fortnightly meeting ot the Abergavenny Board ot Guardians was held on Friday, Colonel W. Williams presiding. There were also present: Mr. H. J. Gwillim (Vice-chairman), Mrs Hilev, Revs. Father Wray, J. F W. Trumper and D. E. Hughes, Messrs. George Danes, George Spencer, Robert Workman, Nathaniel Pullin, John Baynam, Robert Johns r., John Jenkins, Alfred Edwards, John WatkiJoseph Howells. Master's Report. I The Master reported that the number of ad- missions since last Boar.1 day was six, dis- charged 27, died one, —< i there were remaining in the house 79 men, 35 women and 14 children, a total of 128, compare h with 137 for the cor- responding period of year. a decrease of c-i«ht. The number of casuals relieved was 95, compared with 157 for the corresponding period of last year, a decrease ot (,2. A cost of/i IIS. 4d. had been incurred bread and cheese to casuals, owing to the closing of the stations at Bwlch and Cwmdu, and he presumed they would ask the Vagra-k Committee to refund the amount. Two ot three more pigs were re- quired for the house. A concert arranged by Mr. John Edwards, relieving officer for Blaen- avon, was much-appreciated by the inmates and av()Ii, was much a p p-?,L- staff. Mr. Workman presided. • The Chairman moved a vote of thanks to Mr. Edwards for 30 kindly thinking of the inmates. He should like to have been there to have heard Mr. Workman's beautiful voice. (Laughter). Mr. Workman said the concert was of a verv high-class kind, and Mr Edwards and his wife -were a company by themselves. He- believed if they wanted to promote a concert at any time for a good object, Mr. Edwards would willingly give his services. Mr. Edwards returned thauks. Room for More Inmates. I The Master said that the number of inmates of the house having tycie down, they could accommodate 12 more inmates from another union, if they w aatefi accommodation. The Chairman It i., to be hoped that they won't want it. Father Wray said that the present state of things was so precarious that he did not think they ought to offer the accommodation. The Chairman (to the Master) Have you any men who want to go ou: to farms ? The Master I have discharged 27 during the last fortnight.. The Vice-Chairman .-aid that Pontypool Union applied some time ago for Abergavenny to take some of their inmates, and he thought they should do their best to take in all they could for a Union situated like that. At the time they did not feel like offering any accommodation, but if they had room lie thought they should offer it now. The Chairman You must not forget that we have inmates comiru, and going at the work- house. Father Wray You •ave only accommodation for the moment, and n. a fortnight's time you might be full up again. The Viee-Chairmau I there was no doubt the Asylum had gone out ui their way to accom- modate inmates from other districts. If they had anv accommodation to spare at the work- house, thev should think of this Union which had had their buildings taken over by the Government. The Chairman Tonr-pool will write if they want it. The Vice-Chairman We have already refused them. Mr. Pullin Are Pontypool aware that we have this accommodation r The Vice-Chairman No. Mr. Pullin They will know it through the Press. The Chairman Pontypool have settled the matter. You had better leave things as they are for the present, because we might get more inmates. d :lot be uniss if ,!icy Mr. Pullin said it would not be amiss if they let Pontypool know. The Chairman Sun pose Pontypool send 12, and net week we want room for two of our own. Mr.' Joseph Howells s,i<l he thought the Master had surely allowed some additional room when he said there was accommodation for 12, The Master said he was not counting the in- firmary. He was counting ordinary inmates. Mr/Howells: You could take 12 and there would still be room ? The Master Yes. The Rev. D. E. H?hes moved that they communicate with the Pontypool Union in- forming them- that they 11 ad accommodation. Mr. Robert Johnson That is the wrong way about. The Rev. D. E. Hughes said that Pontypool applied to them and they said they could not take anv inmates. Now that they had room it would be unkind if they did not offer it. Mr. Pullin If they see it in the paper they will make application. Discharged, But Might Come Back. Father Wray said this had only happened this last week. The Chairman They might come back. Father Wray proposed that the matter be left for a fortnight, to see i: the present state of things continued. Mr. John Baynam They might return, through ill-health or bad weather, and what should we do with our own men then ? The Chairman Send them to PontypooL (Laughter). The Vice-Chairman: There is no place at Pontvpool. Tiie Chairman We must look after our own interests. Mr. Robert Workman said that Pontypool was their truest friend, and if they could support -as t4eir truest friend, a friend in need they should do so. He sup- ported t' e proposition that they communicate with Pontypool. I The Chairman You have sat at this Board for some time, and you know perfectly well that our inmates go out and come back in. If you fill up t .e-;e places, and they come back, what are vou going to do ? Mr. Workman We should not turn our backs on tee people of Pontypool, seeing that they have given "their institution to the military authorities. The men have left our institution, and if they come back, give preference to the paupers of the Pontypool Union. T ie Cn airman said there were no end of in- stitutions in the country which had given over their buildings to the Government. They must look after Leir own, and if they did not they would put the ratepayers to no end of expense. Mr. Joseph Howells Pontypool will pay for their inmates and we shall be put to no cost. Fat er Wray said he wanted it to be deferred for a tortnig t. T e V.ce-Chairman said that personally he agreed to t 7, is. Tne Chairman Well, go on. Rev. D. E. Hughes It is my motion that we communicate with Pontypool, and I cannot see mv wav to withdraw it Mr. Alfred Edwards said he had always been a great advocate of sending the men out, but he had been rather sat on. He had been told that the men w o went out would come back in a fortnig t, and he believed this would be the same. He was surprised there were 27 men gone out. T e Master They are not all men. There is a familv of five children. Mr. Alfred Edwards What inmates do you propose to take in ? I. T-e Master Ordinary male inmates. Mr. Edwards said he thought it was a great mistake to take men in at the present time, because 1 e felt confident that their own paupers would come back. They had been told many times t at the house was too small, and now they wanted it to be overcrowded. Father Wray said he had moved an amend- ment, and it had been seconded. T. e Rev. J. F. W. Trumper said he thought that notice should be given of a resolution of that description. A good many Guardians who were not present might like to have a voice in the matter. The Chairman I must put the amendment. The Rev. D. E. Hughe? withdrew his proposi- tion, and the amendment was then agreed to. Four men appeared before the Board and intimated their desire to go out of the house to I look for work. They asked for a little monetary took for work. They as assistance. Three were granted their applica- j tions, and the fourth w advised to stay in the house until the Master obtained a renewal of his I old age pension for him 1,000 Eggs for Pickling. I The Rev. J. F. W. Trumper asked what they gave for eggs, because he understood that on a j recent Tuesday there wer,, so many eggs in the j market that they could be had for almost J nothing. (" Oh ") The hens were laying all the time, but owing to people being snowed up, the farmers could not bring them to market on the Tuesday previous. It was a good oppor- tunity to buy a lot of eggs cheap. Mr. Pullin said he should like to have been there. Rev. Mr. Trumper With regard to tobacco- The Chairman Let the Master answer about the eggs first. The Master said he consulted the Chairman and Mr. Alfred Edwards, and they bought 1,000 at 10 for is. The Chairman said the Master wrote to him, and he heard the same as they did, that a man went down to the market, bought up eggs and sold them for 10 a shilling. The Rev. Mr. Trumper; With regard to tobacco, is there any reduction ? The Chairman Don't bother about tobacco. The Master said there was a reduction of lib. Father Wray said that when Mr. Alfred Ed- wards and he examined the stock on March 31st they saw that the stock of pickled eggs had come to an end, and it was necessary to purchase some. The Chairman Mr. Trumper is quite right that eggs were bought at 12 and 11 for is. Now, Mr. Edwards, it is your fault. (Laughter). Mr. Alfred Edwards Oh, no, sir. We are not all so sharp as you, perhaps. Rev. Mr. Trumper Perhaps lie is connected with the trade. You never know Mr. Alfred Edwards said the reason he told the Master to buy eggs at 10 for is. was because he considered they would not get eggs any cheaper this summer. This month was gener- ally- the cheapest for eggs. Rev. Mr. Trumper I myself sold this morning 116 eggs at 12 a shilling. Mr. Edwards The most a man could buy last Tuesday for a shilling was i i. <* Rev. Mr. Trumper: Then I have been duped. (Laughter). I would have sold him the lot this morning at 12 for a shilling, and they are fresh eggs. Wonderflll- I The Clerk reported that there was an increase in outrelief in the Abergavenny district during the past fortnight, compared with last year, of £ 4S: 4d., and a decrease in the Blaenavon district of £ 14 IOS. Father Wray And yet Blaenavon is called the most expensive part of the whole county. Rev. Mr. Trumper Wonderful!. Are all the rates paid in ? The Clerk I can't give you information about each individual. The calls are paid, but whether the rates are I don't know. I Late Marquess's Lost Cheque. I The Clerk said that some time ago they drew a cheque in favour of the late Marquess of Aber- gavenny for £ 9 us. 2d., being the first lialf- vear's rent of the workhouse. That cheque had never been presented. He supposed it had got among the Marquess's papers and had got lost, but now it had come to light. The solicitors for the estate had returned the cheque and asked that a fresh cheque be drawn in favour of the executors. The Rev. Mr. Trumper proposed that the cheque be drawn. Father Wray seconded, and the motion was carried. I Newport Paupers and a Flat Rate. With regard to the military occupation of the workhouse at Newport, the Clerk read a circular from the Local Government Board. The only clause which affected them was that Boards of Guardians who had accepted inmates from another Union could substitute for the agree- ment now in operation an agreement providing for payment at a flat rate per head per week, to be approved by the Local Government Board. He had been talking the matter over with the Master, and it appeared to them that they would hardly be in a position to fix a flat rate, because the prices were going up continually, and if they fixed a flat rate they would have to provide for an ample margin. They must be paid according to what they expended. Rev. Mr. Trumper: What about the con- tracts. How long will they last ? The Clerk There is no limit. j The Vice-Chairman Has Newport applied for a flat rate.? The Clerk They have asked if you will agree to endorse this suggestion and what flat rate you will fix. Rev. Mr. Trumper I don't know how we are going to do it. The Chairman We had better postpone it. The Clerk For the present I should say you are not in a position to fix a flat rate. Father Wray We should be a lot of flats if I we did. (Laughter). j I The Rates Overseers' Awkward Position. The Clerk said that in reply to an enquiry of the Clerk to the County Council, the latter wrote that it was impossible for him to say what the calls were likely to be on that Union for the coming half year, but he did not anticipate any increase in the county rate. That, said the Clerk, placed them in rather an awkward position in not being able to issue the calls. As far as the Union was concerned, it would be 6d. in the £ as usual. Rev. Mr. Trumper I understand that they don't make out their rate till May, and they cannot inform you till then. The Clerk They issue the calls in May. Mr. Robert Johnson You cannot proceed until you have the demands from the County ¡ Council. The Clerk The calculation may be made the same as last year, when it was is. 6d. They say it will not be more. If you adopt these figures you can add 6d. for Union purposes, and make the calls. Mr. Johnson I think it had better stand over. Father Wray Supposing it was wrong, you could amend it ? The Clerk No. I The Chairman I think it had better wait, The Vice-Chairman Would it cause any inconvenience The Clerk The overseers are required to make their call early in the half year-by the first week, if possible. Rev. Mr. Trumper These precepts are issued to other Unions by the County Council, when thev make out their rate. It is only Aberga- venny that asks for an early, or unseasonable, return. Father Wray Mr. Scanlon wants to know at once, because he wants to issue the precept. Rev. Mr. Trumper: There is no necessity at all. The Chairman The County Council only meet once in two months now, instead of every month. Mr. Baynam It makes it very awkward for the overseers to make out their rates, and then the collector may be blamed in collecting it. I think the County Council should make out their demands earlier. The Chairman You had better go down to the County Council and see what they will tell you. The Clerk said the overseers might make out the rates all the same. They might assume the figure. Father Wray proposed that the Clerk assume the same figures as last year. Rev. Mr. Trumper If overseers take upon themselves the responsibility of assuming in the future what the rate is to be, they will not be overseers very long, in.the opinion of sensible people. The Vice-Chairman They have been forced to do it in the past. Rev. Mr. Trumper There is no law com- pelling you to do it until you get the precept from the County Council. The Clerk The only plan is to wait. Mr. Johnson That is the best course to adopt." Father Wray Wait and see. The tender for drapery for the house had been referred to a committee, and they recommended that Mrs. Beveridge's tender be accepted. This was adopted. Marquess's Solicitors and the Workhouse. The Clerk reported that Mr. W. H. Studholme, who was a trustee in connection with the sale of the workhouse to the late Marquess of Aber- gavennv, wrote that he had received a letter from the solicitors to the late Marquess, saying they were not prepared to extend the time allowed for building the new workhouse. The Chairman What do you suggest ? The Clerk You had four years to carry out the work, and unless the law intervenes you are in the hands of the executors. Father Wray I propose that the Clerk write to the Local Government BoqFd and place the whole case before them. The Vice-Chairman He has done. Father Wray Not since he received this letter. Send them a copy of the letter. The Vice-Chairman seconded, and it was carried. The Chairman The sooner the better. It is no good dilly-dallying. If the answer is un- favourable, had we better not have a special meeting ? Father Wray Let us wait until we get the answer. The Chairman That is another fortnight. If it is unfavourable to us, we had better have a special meeting to go into it. Rev. Mr. Trumper Haven't we got a letter from the Local Government Board to defer this I building ? I The Clerk I don't think you will hear from I the Local Government Board under a month. | You had better wait. I To Recruit Paupers of Military Age. I The Clerk read a circular letter from the Local Government Board, in which Mr. Walter Long said that all cases of casual paupers of military age should be notified by the Master of the Work- house or the superintendent of the casual ward, to the nearest recruiting office. (Laughter). office. (Laughter) The Army Council had issued instructions as to the course to be taken by the recruiting officer on receipt of such notification. The period of detention of casual paupers did not normally exceed two days, and it was essential that the recruiting officer should be notified as soon as possible, and it was desirable to retain casuals of this kind for the full statutory period. The Chairman Have you any cases ? The Master: They are very rare. I will carry out that instruction. Mr. Workman You are asking the Master to jj advise them to go to the recruiting officer. Father Wray No, it is not a question o advising them to go to the recruiting officer, but of advising the recruiting officer to go to them. (Laughter).


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