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r Brecon Rural Tribunal Student's Conscientious Objections. •AN APPLICANT'S POLITICAL VIEWS. A large number of appeals from agriculturists again came before the Brecon Rural Tribunal on Friday, the members, under the chairmanship of Mr Owen Price, sitting practically for the whole of the day. In the majority of cases temporary exemptions were granted, the rule being post- ponement till over May fair in the case of hired servants. There were a, few applicants who ap- plied on conscientious grounds. Willing to Pay Penalty. I Rees Morgan Thomas, Abertrewern, Cray, a Calvinistic Methodist theological student at Aber- ytswyth College, applied for absolute exemption. He stated his- grounds as follow :—"I conscien- tiously object to the undertaking of any form of war service, as I deem war to be a violation of. the law of Christ, Whom I serve. To preach Christ in times of peace and then deny His spirit in war time I cannot. If it can be proved that by being loyal to Christ I am disloyal to Britain I shall willingly pay the penalty, for a soldier I can never be. Britain I am anxious to serve, but this form of service I can never undertake. But I maintain in all humility that I shall serve my country best by continuing with the work in which I am haibitually engaged. I cannot aban- don my commission to preach. I feel that it is expedient in the national interests that I should continue to be educated and trained for this great work which the Government has recognised in I' exempting ministers and clergy from military service. Rev. T. C. Richards Are you a fully ordained I minister? ) Applicant Xo. The Military Representative (Mr de Winton) There is a non-combatant battalion being formed. Rev. T. C. Richards And he could join that. Mr de Winton Of course, he can. Mr Tom Morgan What have you to say to this verse from Luke, xxii., 36—"Then said he unto them, but now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his script, and he that hath no sword, let him sell his ga-ri-nent and buy one"? Applicant said he thought the interpretation of the verse was very different to the construction put upon it by his questioner. He thought they would find in many instances in the Scriptures the term "soldier" and "sword" was used as a figure Of division—the division between Christ's ideals and those who would not accept them. Proceeding, applicant said he had to be consistent with himself as a disciple and follower of Jesus Christ. He must follow Him at all risks and in all circumstances. Mr Tennant, he believed, stated in the House of Commons that a man who disobeyed the military oath was liable to be shot. "Rather than take the military oath," said appli- cant, "I pretty accepting that penalty. The military oath I can never take." A Member Not in the non-combatant ser- vice-Ko. The Chairman Let- us come nearer home. Aren't you going to apply on the ground that you are a student, and that you are going to sit an examination next summer?— Yes, I have a conscientious objection, but I also appeal on that ground. I have got an examin- ation next June for my final B.D., and I am pre- paring my thesis for M.A. degree. Mr T. Morgan Is not that selfish-you ob- ject to military service because it would prevent your own advancement? Applicant No, sir, I object to military service on conscientious grounds. Rev. T. C. Richards AVhat would you do if a German attacked your mother?—If you think it is a fair question to ask, I reply that it is really very hard to know what I would do under circumstan- ces of that kind. Applicant, added that if a person attacked another in this country they were direct- ed by the law to report to the nearest police, and the offender would be dealt with by law. Rev. T. Griffiths Suppose the Tribunal grant you exemption until after your examination next June, would you be willing afterwards to join a. non-combatant corps?—No, sir. As a conscien- tious objector, my examination would make no difference, although I should very much like to get my examinations through rather than lose them altogether. It is quite natural that having done a. lot of work I should like to go through with it. Mr John Ricketts Howd Harris. you know, was a regular good soldier and a preacher. Why can't you follow him? The Chairman It would be a bad look out for Christianity and everything else if the Germans came over here. We have decided to grant you an exemption for two months, which will cover your examinations—then you will have to join a non- combatant corps. Mr John Jones In that time it might be pos- sible you will get to know more about your con- science. Life-Long Principles. W. J. Lewis, Cwmcar farm. Dolygaer, shep-I herd and mason, employed by the Merthyr Corpor- ation, in his application for exemption declared :— "I cannot take up military service in any shape or form. I make this declaration with the full knowledge of what it means and after long and serious consideration of the. ethical principles in- volved. My conscience will not allow me to de- part from principles which have been taught me since my birth." Applicant also stated fully in his declaration how he was medically unfit, which necessitated special treatment and diet. A medi- cal certificate was enclosed supporting this. He owned sheep in Herefordshire and ponies in Breconshire. Replying to questions, applicant said he would not proceed with his appeal on conscientious grounds, but only on the grounds of his medical unfitness. The Chairman We shall refer the case to the medical officers. Student's Political Views. Morgan Jacob, Ashgrove, Sennybridge, school- master, now studying economics at the London University, applied for exemption on the follow- ing grounds :—Sole support of his mother. Con- scientious objection to taking any part whatsoever in this war—combatant or non-combatant. Work now doing is vitally important, and spent con- siderable time in getting into position to take up this special work. Could not absolutely take any part, and this not from any selfish motives. Considerable discussion ensued as to whether the Tribunal could hear the application, since ap- plicant was engaged in London. He said his per- manent address was at his home, Sennybridge, I and there he was registered and he had been or- dered to join at Newport. It was decided to hear the appeal. Applicant, responding to an invitation to state his case, said in the first place he was the sole sup- port of his mother. He had seen a statement by Mr Asquith, less than a fortnight ago, in answer to Mr Snowden, that a person who was the sole support of a widowed mother was as much entitled to exemption as any other. Further, he would not be able to finish the course of his studies if he entered upon soldiering. He had examinations to go through in July of next year. He did not read into the war as others. He did not take the popu- lar view of the war at all. Mr T. Morgan In that case you a.re not able to judge of the merits of the war?—Simply be- cause I don't take a popular view? How can we help the war?—We could stop it. Mr J. Smith How? I should like to know very much. The bulk of the English people would very much like to know. Mr T. Morgan If you could bring eut a suc- cessful scheme you would be a millionaire. (Laughter.) Applicant The first thing would be to ask the

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