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[•JDIGNANT SEAMEN -0 CHIEF CONSTABLE'S REPORT. A PHRASE MODIFIED. Police Strength Discussed. Swansea Watch Committee met on Tues- day afternoon (Aid. D. Jones presiding) for the purpose of considering Llie Chief Constable's application for an increase of the Force. The Chief Constable, in his re- port, recommended the addition of 58 men. The Mayor said Swansea compared favourably with other towns—populations to each per cent. Mr. P u wlesland asked if the Chief Con- stable thought the towns in the list were comparable to Swansea. The Chief Constable Yes, else I should not have put them in. Did you write to other towns?—N o. Mr. Powlesland remarked there was no comparison with what the Finance Ccm- niittee- were ascertaining. Aid. Miles said some of the towns quoted by the Chief Constable had a large fioat- ing population—Blackpool, Brighton, Wey- mouth, etc. Aid. Devonald said there was one police- man in 756 for Swansea, and one in W6 for Cardiff. The Mayor said all the towns tte Borough Accountant had written to had a com- parative population with Swansea. ] LABOUR MEMBER HOSTILE. Air. Powlesland said he was going to op- pose the Chifcf Constable's recommendation, and he should oppose in the Council, if necansary. For instance, t.he Chief Con- stable in the past htid made allowance for sickness and a Illlual leave. Wasn't provi- sion previously made for the weekly rest day before the Act was put in operation? The Chairman said the Sunday rest was given two years before called upon. They had increased the Force 10 or 13 men then. fhe Chief Constable then wanted 25 men. Mr. Powlesland thought they had had two increases. The Chief Constable said they had had 15 men. Aid. Miles said the sickness, leave. and rest day had therefore been taken into con- sideration. Mr. Powlesland asked how long they had been relieved of the docks police. The Chairman said it was a good many years. They only have about six men. DOGS AND MOUNTED POLICE. I Mr. Powlt?land it took a large area o? acreage off us, and enabled to use the police for the town As regards the patrol beats. was that intermediate visiting b\ foot jx.itoe or mounted? The Chief Constable Foot polioe. Mr. Powlesland Hasn't a mounted patroJ been used for this purpose? The Chairman said that was not so Ald. Miles said one of the reasons for the mounted patrol was the lack of men in the outskirts. Mr. Powlesland Are we going to have police dogs with the patrol and increased men? The Chairman said the dogs would come on later. Mr. Powlesland asked it accidents had in- -creased, say, in five years. Mr. Molyneux said that would not be fair, because motor traffic had largely come in. Mr. Powlesland pressed for average num I btr. The Chairman We ought to have had notice we may as well sit here for a week iSL-. Powlesland I want comparative figures. The Chairman asked if it was reasonable to ask that at a moment's notice. Mr. Powlesland Perhaps now he will be j-rep a rod at the Council. Was there an actual increase in the street traffic accidents through speeding up of motors, etc. ? The Chief Constable I THINK THE QUESTION IS STUPID. One can't ask how all tlfs accidents hap- pened. There was careless driving, uegli- genoo, etc. Mr. Powlesland said there might be a strain of stupidity through his napper, but he was as he was made, and he hoped the Chief Constable would keep hie hair on and would not get nnoyed He should net say the Chief Constable was stupid, aJthough if did not agree with his report. It was largely a question of ..he point of view. Perhaps the police would wi&h half the world were criminals, so that the other half could be policemen to look after them. The Chairman: Let's get on. There is no doubt that the motor traffic accidents have increased, say, by 20 per cent. The ques- tion of police supervision was a very im portant and acute one, 3nd they were bound to get more. The old times and growlers coming round the corners were gone by, and the traffic to-day -as different. Mr. Powlesland .said it was the result of speeding up. Motor lorries had done hway with a great deal of horse vehicles and men, and he could prove it. In answer to Ald. Miles, the Chief Con stable said there were ten point duties. Mr. Ben Jones said he did not believe all the police asked for were necessary. Mr. Powlesland thought the fire brigade might be worked on a permanent basis, and that was to relieve a number of men. The Chief Constable said there were four men permanently on duty at the fire brigade station. Mr. Powlesland said the men were paid extra and they worked longer hours. The Chairman asked what about the cost and the Government Grant. The Borough Accountant said other t- v.M' experience showed the Swansea system the best. The Chief Constable said the maintenariof of the tire brigade came to L9 a month The Mayor said the policemen had grant* from the Government, but not firemen, Mr. Powlesland said his suggestion was that the brigade should still work und the I supervision of the Chief Constable—on lines like Cardiff if they liked. The Chief Constable's REFERENCE TO SAILORS, FIREMEN. and suspects as criminals was next raised. The report alluded to a number of lire- men and sailoris visiting the port who are either convicts or poiioe supervisees, and therefore the supervision of the police must be greater. Mr. Powlesland said it was quite a new idea and had flabbergasted him, as he re- s-arded seamen and firemen as bad to them- selves, but they were not criminals. Had not the Chief Constable received cor- pondence on the matter? The Mayor asked if the correspondence had not been disclosed before ooming to the committee- The Chief Constable said the report in the tirst place was a confidential one, and he had not disclosed it, and he did not know who had. He had two or three letters rt spotting the matter, and he had not replied to them nor did he intend to unless in- structed. There was no cause for any reply. The Mayor You made a report from re turns in your office, I suppose? The Chief Constable From my know ledge. The Chairman thought Mr. Powlesland should get his information from the insidf rather than have these things in the Press Mr. Powlesland said the matter had been in the Press, and a large body of people were aggrieved at what the Chief Constable had said. A communication would be sent a100 to the Mayor and Town Clerk. The Mayor said be had received no com, munication. Mr. Powlesland said he would. The Chairman Do you want to knyw the names of ten men on license at the docks: Mr. Pow ledand said he did not want names at all. The objection was to brand. ing seamen and firemen as criminal. Mr. Powlesland asked why i.ha Chief Con- stable should have attached his remarks to any particular calling. It might have boon said in a different way which would have made all the differ euoe, Eveigr sailor and fireman now felt branded ae a criminal. Men w ho were burglars were certainly not sailors and firemen, and he could prove that. Ald. Miles said if the Chief Constable knew it would hurt anyone he would suxely have expressed it differently. The Chief Constable said his point was the people "visiting the town." The Chairman said it was not intended to hurt anyone's feelings. Mr. Powlesland said before he received his report the matter had been raised at the Seamen's and Firemen's Union. Mr. Ben Jones thought the Chief Con- sable had been a little indiscreet. Swansea sailors were very difierent to those at Car- diff. Mr. Powlesland Or Liverpool. Aid. Miles suggested the words "sailors and firemen" should be altered to "number of men." Mr. Powlesland thought the Chief Con- stable should be requested to write to Mr. Gunning (Swansea secretary of the Sailors Union) explaining that the report did not mean the sailors and firemen of Swansea. That would relieve the sting. People had jumped to the conclusion it meant Swansea people. The Chairman If you will allow me tile Chief Constable and myself will get into communication with Mr. Gunning and ex- plain matters. Mr. Powlesland said that would satisfy him. The Labour Association were taking the matter up.' This incident then terminated. Aid. Miles aid not think Swansea was under-policed. Mr. Protheroe said he should -support an inanoase, especially to the centre of the town, but not to so large an extent. Mr. MoJyneux suggested deferring the matter for a fortnight for the Chief Con- stable to reconsider the position. Ald. Miles thought there might be some readjustment perhaps on the present ar- rangements. Mr. Powlesland wanted the records looked into to see if there had been any diminution of crime. They had taken away 80 or 90 public-houses in the last nine or ten Naars. Mr. Protheroe: 103. Mr. Powlesland And a great many have been reconstructed and botter supervision. The Chief Constable said in his report he referred to visiting from time to time." Mr. Powk- land said in some other places the police had been reduced. He thought the matter should be deferred for six months The Borough Accountant said whatever addition was made to the police it would come entirely on the rates. At the present time they had Ll,200 to LI,500 extra capi- tal charges an the new police station; there was the motor ambulance and the motor fire engine, which would have to be paid out of revenue. He anticipated a big increase in the Watch Committee's estimate, and, unfortunately, he could not anticipate anything but a big increase all round. He wished to give them warning, and unless there was more desire to keep things at the lowest point they would have a bag increase in the rates. ,Mr. Molyneux said after that he withdrew his motion, and Mr. Pow lesland r-aid he proposed the mat- ter simiplv bo deferred. The Chairman asked for a straight vote. Ald. Devonald did not. think they were under-policed. A vote was taken and it was unanimously decided to defe;r the matter indefinitely. The words in. the report, "sailors and nTemen," are to be altered to nuniibcr of men.









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