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Denbighshire Educational Policy. Important Meeting at Wrexham. Rousing Speech by Sir W. W. Wjnn. Is the Welsh Policy Illegal. AT Wrexham an Monday a special meeting of the De-nbighshire County Council was held, under the presidency of Mr John Roberts (vice- chairman). There was a lang-e attendance of members. A vote of sympathy with Mr Hoosoii was passed, on the motion of the Chairman, secon- ded by Mr O. IsgoedJ Jones, Llanrwst. Postponement of the Appointed Day. The, CLERK (Air W. R. Evans) read the letter from the Board of Education, dated December 12, the purport of which has already been pub- lished', in which the. announcement of the post- ponement of the ''appointed day" was made to the Council. He also .read the formal order of postponement, which was to the effect that the date on which the Act 'will come into operation is February 1, instead of January 1, "ar such laten day air days as the' Board of Education may hereafter appoint." In the list of counties to which the order aippliedis ths name of Denbigh- shire. Mr W. G. DiODD, 'chairman of the Provision- al Education Committee, moved' that that com- 'e? i, a i r,l -ee! be ?empowc-red, to iual,-& such provision: I •arrangements as they might consider necessary for bringing the Education Act into operation from^ the appointed day as ultimately fixed. Mr CHRISTMAS JONES (Cefn Mawr) secon- ded, remarking that perhaps it might not be wise for any comments to be made upon the situahion before them. The only .thing boa .should) 1 iike- to say was that they had had some notice of the direction, in which the Education1 Committee intended to go, and the harassing of the old .authorities' was perhaps the only matter of which they had a right to complain. Mr W. G. RIGBY (Llandyrnog) asked (whether the resolution was. intended to instruct the Edu- cation Committes to introduce the Act in its entirety, as passed by the Imperial Parliament. If so, he should support c. Mr DODD said the resolution simply con- tinued the old Provisional Committee in exist- ence. Had it not been for the postponement of the "appointed day" that committee would have: ceased to exist, and i'cs duties would,, have been taken, over by the new Education Committee. The No Rate-Aid Policy. 'Ir RIGBY remarked that as he saw it was not the intention of the Council to carry out the entire Act, he desired, although he knew he was not in order unless he' received the support of a certain proportion of the members, to ask ih,e, County Council to support him in moving to rescind the resolution :already .passed not to give rate aid: to the Voluntary schools. The Govern- ment had had to postpone the, adoption of the Act, which, after all, was for the very great ad- vantage of the couricy, simply because that Council, with other Welsh county councils, had proposed to set on one side the clauses relating t0' the Voluntary schools1. Mir J. W. LUMLEY (Colwyn. Bay) asked whether the speaker was in order in making a speech 011 a matter not before the Council. The CIIIAlRMAiN thought Mr Rigby would not be- in order in moving the resolution he had hintedi at. He was perfectly in order in speak- ing to. the resolution. Mr RIGBY hoped that before long that Coun- cil would reconsider the position taken up in regard, to this Act, and he. would read the opin- ion of one who —— Mr LUMUEY again rose to order, buit. The. CHAIRMAN allowed the speaker to pro- ceed. Mr RIGBY said he would quote the remarks of the Progressive chairman, of the London County Cou.ncil. Aga:ill 'Mr LUMLEY interrupted, and after some argument between that gentleman and the chairman, interspersed with complaints by Mr Rigby that he should not be allowed to proceed, the latter went on '[0 -say that the quotation he dsiredl to make was in support of his opposition to the .resolution- before the meeting. ,?l.-r LU I-N.ULEY peirsig?cetd in hils o?bjecti,o.n to -\I:r Rigby, who contended that he was being un- fairly interrupted, inasmuch as he had the sup- port of the chair. If the chairman ruled, against him, he would at once sit -down.. The. CHAIRMAN said Mr Rigby musit confine himself to the resolution before the meeting. Mr RIGBY declared that he was opposing the resolution because it eliminated certain clauses in reference :to the Voluntary schools, and he wished) to quote .an opinion by the chairman, of the London County Council in support of his point. The CHAIRMAN said that was out of order. All that could be discuss,ed was the power they were going to confer upon the Education Com- mittee. The resolution was then carried, Mr Rigby alone voting against it. Provisional Committee's Minutes. Mr W. G. DODD then moved the confirmation of the proceedings of the Provisional Education Committee at theiir meeting' at Chester on De- cember 18. The-committee passed numerous resolutions with reference to the organisation of the schools and the rules for the conduct of business by the new committee on its coming into existence. 'It was agreed thia!L reporters be admitted to the meetings, and that a quorum be not less Ichan two-third's of the members. The return third-class railway fare of the mem-beis will be paid when they ar,e attending committee meetings. A "higher education sub-committee" was appointed; also an elementary ,educatian sub-committee and) a. finance committee. It was agreed that the organiser of education, Mr J. C. Davies, should commence his duties on January 14, and that he should reside at Ruthi'n. The question of the appointment of managers of the non-provided schools was indefinitely postponed. The reports of the Education Act Inquiry Committee were approved to date, after an ineffectual attempt by Mr Rigby to have the clause refusing rate-aid !co Voluntary schools deleted. Mr J. W. VUMLEY seconded Oe con.firma- tion of the committee's minutes. Sir W. W. Wynn on Welsh Policy. ■Sir WATKIN •WILLIAiMS WVN'N > said he rose as a member of the Council -not to oppose the motion., but to put clearly and exactly before the members the probable effect of what they were da;ngo. In taking up a. oc-sition directly antagonistic to the VaIu/ntary schools, they were making themselves alm-cst a laughing-stock to a large number of other counties, and especially of the English counties, and he -did! not tuunk they were within their legal rights in some of the points. He was quit ece.rta.in, 'too, that it would cost the Council by aildi by in. litigation more money and more troubl-e than they had nOW any idlea, of. He could feel for the. members who disliked the Act, but neverthele.ss it was an Act passed by the majority in Parliament, and they were bound to abide by it. (Hear, hear.) He had known that 'Council very much in the wrong before, when they made. a great scene abou-ti the traction engines. Certain members thought traction engines, objectionable, and could be wiped off the face -of the earth, but the owner of a traction engine: named Jones, of vOir- wen, foughc them, and they had to pay about £ 120 in costs. He heard that he also1 was goinig to. be -attacked, but he never had been yet. Mr (ST.NIOI.Ni J'ONES That was. extraordinary traction; this .is. extraordinary education. (Laughter). Sir WATKIN WYNN That is -exactly the point. This is extraordinary education made ordinary by Act of Parliament. So was the extraordinary traction, as the Council found to its cost. Mr Jones represents one side and! I the other, but I do1 not know that we differ so widely. All I should like to ask the Council to -consider Is-i-kr-e we really wise in doing whan we are doing, or are we running our heads against a batick wall, and shall we not by and by have to climb down piece by piece? I fed surel we are, -Ti-ot occupy; a d-nifie.d, ..n.g a wise (:)r positiioft,. Proceeding, Sir Watkin -argued, that the: Councils could not cru's'h the Education Act, and contended thaLt.eVen if S' William HarcoLirt I i:r ,went in to-morrow the eighty Irish members would vote algalin:s;t any change in the Act. But that was not his paint. He only said that be- cause Mr Lumley was smiling at him. (Laugh- ter.) They could not upset the Act, and why -should,th-ey not recognise- that fact? He -earnest- ly hoped that the matter would be regarded in' a different light. He would willingly come to an agreement if possible, and would have voted' for it if he had had a chance. He believed in it, a'nd he had had- some experience of an agree- ment between -British schools and National schools. In that 'case the pa,rishio,ners nad power to elect a -School Board, but they had never done 'so, and even now they were crying to him to continue his 'school. That was only one instance in a parish where:, he should think, there were twenty Nonconformists to -every two or thre'e Church people. An arrangement was made that worked very well, and he did not see why something the same couildinot be done by the Welsh County Councils. 'Something was attemp- ted, he believed, but he was not in E'ngla,ndl at the time, and it would probably not have madlel much difference if he had been. That fell through, but only from, the swinging of the balance. Thei main points were agreed upon, and there were only one or two other points which, with a little patience, might have been adijusted. (Applause.) He did not know who upset that att-emptecd arrangement. He appealed) to ithe Council, was it wise to. take this extra- ordinary action when they knew they would have -to climb -down- Mr L'UMLEY: You are giving us fatherly ad- vice. (Laughter). Sir WATKIN WYNiN That is exactly what it is, M-r Lumley. (Laughter.) This postpone- ment is a warning to us. It is, to igive the Coun- cils some time to reconsider their .position. One or two cases in the- law courts, and the whole- opposition will topple over. (Laughter.) The National schools will nev,er give, you cneir schools, -except in: one or two isolated cases; they are- as firnv on that .point as the ivoncon- formi'sts are. I speak as a. friend and as- a mem- ber of :the Council, and I say we 'shall have to climb down if we go on, and it would be far better ,to carry out the Act in its literal sense, and then we should have peace and quietness. Capt. GRIFFITH BOSCAWEN, Gresford, fully ,endorsed what Sir. Watkin had said. Though he was a member appointed -on. the Eduoatiolll Committee he could not vote: for the adoption of the .report, because one of the re- commendations was, he believed, illegal. He was not sorry the appointed day was postponed, because, it might lead to- some kind of settle- ment or compromise. A littl-e give-and-take on both sides-—and not one 'side only, as the other side seemed to think—might, he believed, lead it a reasonable compromise. It was a very dan- gerous' precedent :to r,efuse to carry out the laws of the country, and he must not vote for any resolution to do that, though: he would like to see the Education Act -amended. (Hear, hear). Mr Lumley Presents the Nonconformist Case. Mr J. WATKIN" LUMLEY', while contending that the observations of the last speakers were not revelant to the issue before the Council, thought he should have th-c- same latitude in rep' in- to them. The burden, of both s?peeches ,y was that the speakers were anxious for a com- promise. Representing those of the opposite view, he (0.lr Lumley) could say that :they were prepared! to compromise, and to agree to a com- promise that would not be one-sided. He sug- gested to the -managers fo the Voluntary schools I an arrangement under which the Council should recognise'their rights in the buildings by paying an annual rental for the, use of them, and that the buildings-, when! not in use -by the education authority, should be at the disposal of the owners and managers for purposes of their own. That would get over a difficulty which had arisen) owing to a great extent to :an, unfor- tunate clause- in the Act. As to religious in- struction, the 'Nonconformists had no objection- to. the schools be-ing opened by the recital of the Lord's Prayeir and the Ten Commandments,, and, if necessary, the reading of a portion, of the Scripture. Any sectarian body requiring further1 religious instruction, to be1 given to the children with the parery-ts' cgnse,n-t would giv?e? that in- l? e, stluict,ion out of school ?houirs. I)erso,n?ally, as hadi already informed .another committee ap- pointed by that Council, he was against even the introductiorn of the Bible i.nto the schools, but that was not generally accepted by his countrymen. So long as the Bible was' to be introduced the 'syllabus that he had suggested wa's one that any fair-minded people, whatever religious sect they belonged- to, should be abre to agree upon, so that an amicable settlement of the religious difficulty might be agreed to. (Hear, hear.) And if that were agreed, to., there would be no need to apply religious tes,ts to teachers, and that would go overboard. (Hear, hear.) Sir Watkin- was- calling upon, them to halt-for what purpose? The Board of Educa- tion had given them- n.o warning. Sir Watkin Wynn, interpo-sinaf, agæed with Mr Lumley that the Board) of Education had not directly told them' anything, but they had ..nl a very ?clc-,ar warn,i.n.g tli,?it they meant to ,;e L have the. Act carried out, and' the County Coun- cil would not be allowed!—he was speaking now from received from a private source that he could not quote. from—to evade their duty. The Board had the power of mandamus. How they rwoula act he was not going to say. lIe desired to say that he did .net in his speech su-, !,?,e!st a compror?qi'?e'; he expressed re,ret that the compromise had' failed. Mr LUM'LEY said it was the duty of the Council to deal with official communications, and not toi listen to outside statements, even when they came from- Sir Watkin. (Laughter.) Is the Weish Policy Illegal? I, Mr W. G. DODD said theji were not propos- ing to do anything unlawful. If he thought they were he would have no part in it. The law made no reference to the rates. It required them to, keep the -schools efficient, and if they ,could do it w'thou-L to,uch4 -v I the rat?es, whl should they not do so? Captain BOSGAiWEN: You are omitting an- other section of the Act altogether. Mr DOlDD said it was a matter entirely of interpretation. They said all along that the Act was unworkable, and they found evidence of this constantly. He contended that the Board of Education had ilake-n an illegal step in post- poning, the date of the Act coming into opera- tion, but they took another view. Still that was a matter over which that Council could not cry. They were not so sorry that the date had been postponed, as they would be inconsistent with themselves if they made any great fuss about it, because all along they had repudiated this Act. (Applause.) As far as he was concerned, they might postpone the whole thing till Dooms- day. (Laug-hte.r.) C.a,p?t:a'r- (, 1 .'?RIFFIT?H How, ?ai? the Board of Guardians take an illegal action? They have power to postponel the Act 18 months after the appoir-tedl day. -Mr DODD maintained that their resolution was not an illegal -one. They were prepared to carry out the Act if they could! do so in justice to the ratepayers. If the ratepayers wished to have the; rates applied to the Voluntary schools, they would have an opportunity very soon of telling them so, but until they had done- so he would not be a party to rescinding the "no rate aid" resolution. (Hear, bear.) In regard to what Sir Watlcin had said, be (Mr Dodd) was .sony Sir Watkin was not in the country when the concordat question, was- und'er discussion. Had he been in Denbighshim in the spring, when those negotiations were on foot, he would have had a powerful influence in the direction of bringing about a satisfactory settlement. (Ap- plause.) It was necessary to remember, how- ever, that it was not the County Council that was to blame for- the failure of those negotia- tions. Sir WATKIN WYNN: I know that. Mr DOiDD I maintain that if there is any desire to resume' the negotiations it should come from the- other side. In all probability the County Councils of Wales are prepared to meet the other side. But still, it is not for them to go' cap' in hand to those who broke off the nego- tiation-s. I shall be very pleased if some work- able arrangement can be made, so that we can have in connection with this Act the same plea- sant experience as we have bad with the Inter- mediate Education Act. (Applause.) We hold very different views, I know, but we all feel that it is the children's interests that should be fore- most. Sir WATKLN WYNN1: Most of our. differen- ces are 'merely splitting straws. Mr DODD -added that it was not just to the ratepayers to allow their money to be, controlled by people over whom they had no control what- ever. (Applause.) Mr 'RIGBY: The ratepayers have control of the secular -education under the Act. Mr DODD aaid that was entirely a matter of opinion. As to the' postponement of the "ap- pointed day," it was a childish, futile proceed- ing on the part of the Board of Education, and ithe principal losers by it would be the Volun- tary schools. Mr F. E. ROOiPER and Mr RIGBY having spoken against the policy of the Council, the report was adopted by a large majority. The Director of Education. The new director of education, Mr J. C. Davies, wrote .suggesting .that, as the date of the Act coming into force had been postponed, he, would- -lile to visit America a,nd studv the -?ystetm of schools if he could b" American spared until April 14. Afcer some dliscussion it was agreed, ort the motion of Mr DODD, to -ask Davies to com- mence his duties on January 14, as his services were required in connection with the prelimin- ary work. An Election. On the motion of Mr CHRISTMAS JONES, Mr John Allen, Gwersyllt, was ejected a member of the County Educ-ationi Committee in the placd of Mr J. E. Humphreys, Llanrwst, who had re- signed. on being: appointed clerk to the local Education Committee for the Llanrwst -dis- trict. Mr LUMLEY moved that Mr Joseph Jones, Old Colwyn, be appointed, on the ground that a member from West Denbighshire should suc- ceed) Mr Humphreys, but his nomination was defeated. A School Board's Objections. The following letter, signed, by the clerk of the Llanfairtalhaiam School Board, Mr R. Grif- fiths, was readl: ?"R,efe?rr;ncr to yo,ulr c?ircLilar letter of the 24th lappointe?d in-t., in, wh?-ch you state, that the day' has been postponed to February 1, I am directed to inform' you that this Board are not prepared to undertake the duties of carrying on the school beyond! the date originally fixed, as they have no funds at their disposal." (Laugh- ter.) Mr J. W. IJUMLEY: I move that that letter be sent to the Board of Education. (Laugh- ter.) Mr 'BENNETT JONES seconded, and the mo- tion was carried. Tests for Foundation Managers. Mr W. G. DODD called attention to the Draft Final Orders which had been received as to the appointment of foundation managers, of Voluntary schools. Three classes of founda- tion managers were mentione,d-,cx-officio, nom- inated, and representative. The latter were- to be "qualified persons" elected by t)Ke subscrib- ers, and "qualified persons" were to be members of the Church of England wilknig to sign a declaration to that effect. It was represented to him that there were many Nonconformist sub- scribers t-o Church schools who were not mem- bers of the Church of England, and it would not be fair for any orde;r to disqualify persons who had been subscribing largely, as they had been told', in many cases to keep a school off the' rates from being elected managers of such schools and having the s-ame rights as members of the Church of England. (Hear, hear.) The CLERK said there were 27 schools, the foundation managers of, which were to be ap- pointed by the subscribers. The- Education Committee were empowered t0 consider the matter and send a protest to the (Board of Education..
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