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BROUGHT THE WHOLE MATTER UP- TO-DATE, Devising the schieduies and so brought things forward in accordance with the necessities of the present time. Since the scheme was first passed there had been great changes in the constitution of local bodies. The Parish GourrciLs Act had been passed, and a vast change had been made .in the administration of local affairs and in representation. Them again in 1902 the Education Act was passed, and they had realised the great changes necessitated by that Act. They had. had 16 years' working1 of the sdheme, and they had experience wSrach showed them many things. Anyone would admit that after working a machine for 16 years one was able to see its defects, and where it could be improved. The mainobjiect of the Joint Education Com- mittee in framing the new proposajs was to bring the whole matter up-to-date. They would aee that an the new proposals there was greater elasticity adowicd than under the old icheme. It was an important matter, wshidh they should uuderetand clearly. Under clause 88 of the old scheme it was laid down what instruction should be given in the schools, but undex clause 74 of the new edtemo he thought they would agree with him there was far greater elasticity and freedom given. He thought it would be well that he should read clause 74 of the new scheme. It was as follows: Instruction shall be given in the school to such subjects of intermediate and technical adHcation proper to be taught in a public •econdary school as the local goveTMOTB, after oonsultation with the County Oooaicil and the headmaster shall from time to tinae de- termine. As far as may be consistent with the working1 of the school, special attention ihall be given to instruction in such branches of natural science as bear on the industries tf the meighbourhood, including agriculture. daises in scientific and technical subjects ihall in all cases be assoGLatcd with sufficient I experimental demonstration and practical training. Subject to the provisions of the scheme the course of instruction should be according to the classification and arrange- te by the headmaster."

DEMANDS OF INCREASED POPULATION. Continuing, Mr Dodd said that, in his opin- ion, pointed to elasticity and freedom to those ftho had to work the scheme, and he felt it was a great improvement. There was an- other change which was naturally owing to the large increase of population. The con- ditions of population 16 years ago were entire- ly different to what they were to-day. Taking trie census of 1881 as the basis of population trader the old scheme, the figures for the county were 113,339. Under tie new sekeme foe census of 1901 would bo taken, and the 5jRnr.es were 131,582, but even that he be- lieved would be greatly exceeded by next year's census. The figures as they were showed -an increase of 20,000. Not onlv had there been a great increase in population, but there had been a striking change in the dis- tribution of the population. Some districts, he WAS sorry to sav, had declined, while ether districts had increased enormously. Those who had studied the scheme realised What great changes had taken place, and the Joint Education Cbmnsittee having taken the whole of tie matters into consideration had framed their proposale accordingly. There was also, he would like to posmt oat, a ffrowth of feeling in favouT of difietrwntiatieB & the schools. It had been said of tine ,Welsh Inter mediate SdhooQs, that although tbey did good work they weTe all of the £ me pattern, and that it would be well if ere was some difference in the type of school. That accusation was made from ignorance and want of knowledge of the working' of the schools, but still there might be something in the charge, and it was their duty to see if they oould not improve matters. Se was convinced that if they wished to get fie best out of their education aJ system they must provide more differentiation in the schools. Denbighshire was an agricultural eounty, and all would admit that while they had other industries that of agriculture was the biggest, and if they wished to introduce he.s into their schools it should be in favour cf proper and better instruction in agrioul- Lure than in the days gone by. That was one way in which the Joint Education Com- mittee were attempting to meet the demands on them, and so they had introduced it into the new sckeme. Them thane was another change necessary. There had been a de- inand for better provision for the teaching of girls. Some schools were boys' schools, and other were girls, but there was a greater demand for fac2atiee for the teaching of girls, and it would have to be met. Jf there was anything more striking tihain. another it was the fact that 19 years ago the education of girls was very much neglected so fax as the higher education was eonoernted, and so ■a ■i ■ A I the improvement had been in a more rapid ratio in the case of girls than of boys. They should meet the demand which in particular had come from Ruabon for increased facilities for the teaching of girls. Tluen there was

A VERY LOUD DEMAND FROM COLWTN BAY. There was no district in the country where the growth had been more positively pheno- menal than Colwyn Bay (hear, hear). Tbey had realised that the alterations in the con- ditions in that place had been marvellous during the past 18 year?„ No one could shut their eyies to the fact that the population of Denbighshire bad grown of late years; 20,000 was the increase at the last census, and at the present time it was considerably more. That increase was largiciy due to Colwyn Bay. So the conditions Tinder which the scheme of 1894 was framed were different to what they were to-day, and the demand which had been madia from that district had been considered by the Joint Education Committee, and it had to be met (heaT, hear). The body for considering- any revision ar raltemtion of the scheme was the statutory body which was S':>nt up by the Welsh Intermediate Educa- tion Act, and which body was known as the Joint Education Committee. It consisted of five members, three of whom were nominated by the County Council and two by the Govern- imeait of the day. It was their duty, and their duty alone, to take what steps were necessarv for the revision of the scheme. He would like to point out to those who alleged that there was an attempt to rush this nwutbor through that certain things had to be done, an<L those who said tbey were being rushed were really crying before tkey were hurt. If they followed the course necessary for revising the scheme they would see that there was ample opportunity of security for that Council or any others who were in- terested from any attempt to Dairy drastic proposals through. He would outline the steps which had to be taken before any altera- tion could be effected in the scheme. In the first place the Education Committee had to lay its proposals before the Board of Educa- t-Kxn, after that the Board of Education would hold public inquiries if they considered the same were necessary, publishing and circu- lating- the draft scheme based on the proposals they had reoeived from the Joint Education Committee. The third step was to allow two months to elapee for the receiving of written objections or sug-gtest-ions with regard to the draft proposals whach the Boa-rd of Education had issued. Objections oould be sent up to the proposals in a proper form. After the publication of the scheme there was still opportunity for objection 'to be made, and one month was given in which to do so. Even after that, and when the objections were dealt with, the final publication of th-c scheme did not take place for one month. After the scheme was published it was not finally passed, it was laid before the public for two months during which time petitions could be presented praying that the scheme should not be allowed to go before Parliament. In the past in Denbighshire those petitions had been sent in, and some portions of schemes had been oojectJed in consequence by Parlia- ment. There were in ail eight steps which bad to be taken, and they were now takinp- the first. Ample opportunity was given for the public to be heard in opposition to the scheme. It had been alleged that attempts were being made to rush matters, and power was being sought to prevent such a thing being done. But speaking for the Joint Education Committee he could say that they would only be too pleased to consider anv re- presentation made in opposition, and that was their object in laying the matter before the public in the way they had done. There was no obligation on the Joint Education Committee to lay their proposals before the County Council or anyone else before send- ing them to the Board of Education, but they thought it would be the wiser course to do eo. He considered it was only courteous to those interested in the schemes to do so, in order that they oould have their hearty co-operation at the earliest possible moment. He was sorry to think that one local governing body had taken the unusual course of passing a re- solution on the matter. He considered that what bad been said concerning the committee was uncalled for and undeserved. He could oulv say that the Joint Committee was pre- pared to listen to any representation made to them, and he was sure that their judgment would in no way be biassed by what had happened previously (hear, hear). There wa3 tanotfosr point in the scheme to which he wished to refer. There were many changes such -as alterations i.n the terms under which the headmasters were engaged, but there was

A CHANGE IN THE ALLOCATION OF THE DISTRICT. Great changes were necessary owing to the alteration in the representation of public Ijodies brought about by new Acts of Parlia- ment, but the question which would interest most of them was that question of £ s d. That was the important thing with most people, dlnd they naturally asked how the changes would affect the pocket. If they referred to the grants allocated they would find that not only population but assessable value was considered. In Abergele the amount per head of populati-om-not per head of children educated—which the grant reprc- sented would be Is 7d per head of population in Colwyn Bay, 18 3d; Denbigh, lOd; Llan- gollen, 10,ld; Llanrwst, Is 6d; Ruabon, 7d; Ruthm, lOJd; and Wrexham, 7-,4,d. A mere cursory glance would show that in thickly- populated districts a larger amount per head of population would be required to establish and equip the schools. Tie total cost was the same in each district, but the more dense- ly populated centres would require less per head than those where the population was thinner. ATpther comparison was the pro- portion of grant to the grant contributed by each district. In Abergele it was 1.17- Colwyn Bay, .68; Denbigh., .90; LlangolW, .80; Llantrwst, 1.60; Ruabon, 1.11; Rutbn, 1.95; end Wrexham, .70. He believed that the commattoe had tried to remove the in- equalities as" far 4s possible. It would be seen from the agenda that day that it was* proposed by the Joint Education Committee that they hold public inquiries at Abergele 0-nd Coiwyn Bay before further proceeding 't with their proposals as far as the same related to Abergele «id Coiwyn Bay. It was thought well t-o discuss the matter, and some members from the Abergele district proposed that such inquiries ba held. Jule the members of the Joint Committee Jiad no objection to fall in with the views of county councillors on the matter they were aware of the fact that a resolution had come from the Abergele dis- trict, saying that the people did not wish such an inquiry to be held. He considered it wouud be idle to consider the resolution on the present occasion, although he believed that while the Abergele district included C«l- wyn Bay in the scheme it did not in that resolution represent the views of the pomrfa- teon of Uandrallo-yn-Rfeos, LfcaeJian-vn Rhos, and Eirias. It seemed by their rrv solotdon that the J ABERGELE PEOPLE HAD NO CIO-N-MDENCE IN THE JOINT COMMITTEE, nor did they trust them, so that it would be use. less for the Joint Committee to hold an inquiry there. As regards Colwyn Bay, he did not kcow whether it would be wise to hold an iiKa-iry there. Peziapa it would be better to leave that question alio to a future occasion. Thare was another resolution passed bv the Joint Edlucation Committee, viz., "That the district atseif t&sil contribute towards the oosfc of prowfing accom- modation for an intermeeti-ate school at Oolwjn Bay in the ssume maimer as was done by the dis- tricts wœre the present intermediate soboois are situated. If the members would refer to the schedule in the scheme they would see that it wa& a condition that each locairty should) maice a contribution to the cost of the schools. It was only fair to ask districts where schools were to be now established to do the same ae other dis- tricts had dorse under the old scheme. While on the subject of the change, he would like to point out why the members of of the Joint Education Committee felt they were justified in making: the proposals with regard to the Abergele district. Under the old census of 1881 the populatic«n of Abergele with St. George, Bettws, Llanddulas, and Llaaifair was 6004, but in 1901 it had gono down to 5740. The population of lie other por- tions of the district — Llanxiri Uo-yn Rhos, Lfian- eJian-yn-Rbos, and Eirias— in 1881 was 2711, but in 1901 it had risen to 9077. That was three times as much, and he believed that the new oen- SUB would sbow a' still larger increase. The Abergele district as a whole, which they regarded as having- a population of 8715, bad oompletely changed in character. While the AbeTgele por- tion had declined, Colwyn Bay portion had shown a large increase. He might be eaed why it w.

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that AberpeJe was singled out for this experi- ment in differentiation and change. One of the friends at Abergele had said that it was a sea- side resort, and that it was absurd to place an agricultural sdbool in such a place. Examination of the figures would show that th-c actual part of the tseasde resort had not developed in the last 20 or 30 years, while the agricultural portion had held its own. lie was told that agrieuitttEainy Abergele was an important oeritpe. Important fairs were held there, I2.lid agriculturalists had an interest in tihe district. He thought it could bo truly said that the seaside report side of the place had not developed in tho same way the agricultural centre side had. Someone had said that Ae.e had the second best market in West. Denbighshire. Whether tliat was eo or not agricuJtursfiy the piaoe i»fc ain iiupertaat centre, and looking at the contributory parishes for the .ohool it was no less agricultural than Llango^en, Denbigh, or Lianrwst, where there were no other industrie;, arid if sax e-xperirnent was to be made ft. was r.o less agricnltwral than otrher districts. Another reason why Abergete was sejected for agriculture was that some years ago ÛIrere was an idem, for converting the St. Asaph School I into one for agriculture, Denbighshire joined with Flintshire in considering fho matter, but things were not so far advanced in those days, and the scheme fell through. It wat3 at that time agreed that the St. Aaaph district was the meet united for an agriouitujraJ riaheci, as the area extended from Mold to Lfouirwst. St. Asaph was close to Abergele, and what applied to the one place eqoafty applied to the other. The matter wap decided by the Joint Committee on its merits, and if they wished' to improve agricultural education this was the one district where with advantage it might be tried. He believed that the experiment wottd he!p the Abesgele Scb«K>l. The irrt«otkm of the scheme was to establish a school at Aberg«!e with a de- finite rural and agric-ultural bias, and to pro- vide a couriie of instruction specially suited to meet the needs of rural districts. If such i school were arr-anged for it would not be equaued in North Wales, arid he believed that if the idva im taken up enthusiastically by the peupe of the distxiot—which was not the case it i-,r-ewnt- it would lead to Abergele being the leading agri- cultural schocd for North Wales. That was-hip, own personal opinion, and the Joint Education Com- mittee was viewing m.atters from the courtty point of view. He proposed that the scheme be adop- ted subject to the resolutions he had referred to. Mr Sturge seconded. Mr W. Griffith (LLajifaar) asked if the Joint Education Committee had absolute power in tho !at,be,r, could thoy accept or reject proposals? Mr Dodd replied that they had to lay their proposals before the Board of Education, who would accept or reject them. On its being suggested ta take the scheme clause by clause, Mr D. S. Davi said the County Council had referred the scheme to the Joint Education Com- mittee, and he thought it a waste of time to go through the clauses that day. The Chairman caid he considered it would be more satisfactory if the members went through the clauj-es (hear, hear).

PAYMENT OF GRANTS. Mr John Roberts asked how the grants were to be paid. Were the schools which earned the grants to receive them? Mr D. S. Davies replied in the affirmative. Mr John Roberts considered that if that was t/j it should ba f-tated in as many words in the scheme. He proposed to insert the words "sec- ondary school grants to be paid direct to the secondary school governors." Mr W. G. Rig by seconded, and it was carried. although Mr Dodd urged that the actual draft- ing of the scheme sirould be left to the Board of Education.

"BANKRUPTS AND FELONS." Dealing with disqualiifcations of governors, Mr Rig by oaitl he noticed that bali-k-rutls were dis- qualified, and if that was so why not a bo dis- qualify fe.iort ? There were cases in which men ieii from high positions a.nd became felons while misfortune might make a in-ail a bankrupt. Mr D. S. Davits adced Mr Rig-by not to press the matter, as they did not wish to single out Denbighshire as being associated with felons (laughter). The matter then dropped.

RUTHIN AND OUTSIDE SCHOLAR- SHIPS. Mr T. H. Roberts raised the question as to giving JS100 to districts added to Ruthin, and w ished to know whether if the.ro was a balance in any one year from the £100 for scholarships, would it go to Ruthin? Mr Dodd repuied that Ruthin in the ptust had been well treated. In future the money would be administered through Ruthin instead of through the county. Mr John Roberts asked- if scholarships in the Cerrigydruidion district had to go to the Ruthin School? I Mr Dodd said the scholars could take their L scholarships to other schools with the consent of the local governing body, and in case of dis- pute the County Council wenrid settle the matter.

THE SCHEME NOT A POPULAR ONE. Mr D. Mao. Niooll urged that the clauses re- lating- to the Abergele School should stand over until an inquiry was held in the locality. At the same time he wished to thank the members of the Joint Education Committee for the way in which the sebenie had been prepared, and alroo Mr Dodd for the very able way in which he had. laid it before the meeting. He was sorry to say that the scheme was not a popular one through- out the county, but he would not go further into the matter that day. as he understood an inquiry would be held at Coiwyn Bay and Abergele ("No, no"). Mr Dodd said he desired that the correspon- dence on the subject should be read to the meet- ing. The Clerk remarked that in Abergele there was a feeling that they did not want an inquiry if members of the Joint Education Committee sat on it. Colwyn Bay people did not ask for an in- quiry. aa they had approved of the scheme. Mr Mac. Nicoll replied that there must be a. misunderstanding somewhere, as he felt that an inquiry was wanted. It would give the people an opportunity of havmg the whole matter ven- tilated. The inquiry should be held for what it wats worth. Mr W. Griffiths supported' Mr Mac. NicolI. Mr Mac. Niooll added that he considered it a. waste of time to discuss the scheme until the in- quiry was held, and he proposed that the clause referring to the Abergele School be struck out for the present, and that the County Ocamcii did not express an opinion on the matter at present, deferring it until such time as they had the second report of the Joint Education Committee.

STRONG LETTER FROM ABERGELE. At the suggestion of Mr Dodd, the CJerk then read the letter which had been aenit from the Aborgele School Governors. It was as I foDarm-At a special meeting of my governors beSti this afternoon, the following resolution was uaani>caQ«sly passed: 'That this meeting of the Abergele County Sehool Governors fuily ap- proves o! the letter sent by the Chairman and the Ckerk on the I3th irist. to the Clerk of the Denbighshire Education Oommittee, and end their action in refusing, an behadf of the govern- ors, an inquiry at Abergele by the Joint KGuca- tion 06mmittoo. That the governors wouM, however, weicame an inquiry by the Demiigsh- shire Eucatkm Committee (exclueive of the mem- be-rs of the Joint Education Coawaittee) into the whole oLrouHBstancos of the case, and would sug- gest that an official of the Boaa-d of Ecfcicat.iou pctscssdng expert knowledge of educational needs be invited to preside over such inquiry.' I was instraoted to convey tho above resolution to the Clerk of tho Denbighshire County Council, the Clerk of the Education Committee, the Clerk of the Joint Education Committee, and the Secre- tary of the Welsh Department of the Board of EdiKjation. I was further requested to make it cioar to all the bodies concerned tkat the action of the Aberg^&e Governors is not to be coastroed aa a reflection upon the honour of the mem- bers of tho Joint Edaicatkm Committee. The governors, however, naturafly feel that tbe num- bers of that cqarunntoo, who are dearly anxxsus to see their own scheme becoming Jaw, cansot be expected to approach all inquiry of the kind projxwed by them with an impartial mind.— Youra faithfully, Ed. A. Crabbe, desk to the governess." o Mr Mac. Nicoll said tho writer of too letter evidently did not understand the poeation of affairs. It was the duty of the Joint Esducatkxn CJouftinittee to hold the inquiry, if one wots to be held at all, and lie considered that sueii an in- quiry shook! be held, as it would give one an opportunity of corning forward and giving evidence. He felt that an inquiry might bo held in both tow and agriculturists o(A" aleo oomo forward and osprees their opinion. He believed it was the unanimous wi h of the Oouncil that such an inquiry should bo held, and he proposed that one be held at Abergele. Mr Edward Roberts said he was prepared to second it. Mr W. Griffiths rose ako to second, and said he waa not aware that the Abergele School Gov-crnors had passed such a resolution, as he was not present when tit was carried. After Mr Dodd's explanation as to the Joint Education Cammittoo having the power in their own kands, he thought it better that there should be an in- quiry, when practical men couJd give their opinions as to the issues between Abergele and Coiwyn Bay.

AN AGRICULTURAL SCHOOL NOT WANTED AT ABERGELE. Mr W. G. Rigby said he was prepared to go further tharl any of the members who had spoken on the subject of the Abergele School. He con. sidered that the Council should that day express a definite opinion on the subject of an agricul- tural school a.t Abergele. He was against Mich a sclieme, and he did not beAieve there was any grea/fc demand for it. No doubt he would be made to suffer for expressing such an opinion at the next election—(laughter)—but be did not mind that. It was his ifixm belief. Most of them knew sometraipg about agriculture, and it was the experience of the farmers that they had all the ir.stnucfcion they wanted from Bangor and Liewcni. Ho did not baiiove that there was a demand for an a^ricie'tural school at Abergele, and lie believed that if this question of a school at Colwyn Bay had not arisen the Joint Educa- tion Committee would never have suggested an agrkruifcural centre for Abergele. Mr Dodd had made out a very plausible case, for such a school at Abergele, but ho forgot one important victor' in the case. Abergeie was situated on an ex- treme point of the county. It was bounded by the sea on ono side, and by Flintshire on tne other, and it was in -an extremely unfortunate position a6 an agricultural oentre for the rest of the county. Ho did not believe that fanners would send their sons to it, and he hoped the County Council wouJd expreiss a deiinito opinion against it that day. He proposed that the Council express an c'pinion against establishing a school at Abergele with an agricultural bias. Mr John Roberts formally seconded the amendment of Mr Rigby. Mx Gromar considered it would luavc been far Detter had the Council voted upon the resolution as to tEe holding of a public in- quiry at Abergele and Coiwyn Bay. He was su-re the committe.e would approach the sub- ject with an open mind, and would hear the views of all parties interested in the matter. Mr D. S. Davies siaid it was the part of the County Council to consider the scheme as a whole, and not in parte as had been done that day. TJte County Council was to watch the intemeets of the oounty as a whole. He considered thua-t the letter which had been read that day wae a gratuitous insult to the members of the Joint Education Oommittee. He hoped tll-at they would not waste timEl dis- cussing points referring to individual dis- tracts, and the Joint Education Committee were prepared to hold inquiries at Abergele and Coiwyn Bay. The Rev. Thomas Uoyd said that Colwyn Bay were anxious to have an inquiry, and they had made their arrangements according- ly. He did not wish to speak further on the subject that day. A vote was then taken on the question of holding an inquiry at Abergele, and Mr Mac. Nicoaa's proposal was carried. Mr John Roberts then proceeded to speak to Mr Rigby's amendment, which he had seconded. As the chairman of the County Agncultural Ooanmat-tee, he did not consider that a Fehool of that kind was needed. There should be more education with an agricul- tural "bias given to the students in the exist- ing schools. He did not know where they would get the students for the Abergele School; he did not know of one from the Den- bigh district who would attend. What waa really wanted was to give students a good education that they would understand agri- cultural work more intelligently when they went to the farms for two or three year's. They wanted practical] men as farmers, not book worms. It was well-known that book- worms and students turned out failures as practical farmers. The young men should be given a good education in the schools then have a practical course on the farms and afterwards go through the Bangor courses. He was pleased to see that at a recent meet- ing of the County Authority there was a de- cided improvement £ n the number of appli- cants for scholarships at Bangor. A few years ago tiey could not get enough, but now they had 13 tapplicaarbs. They did not want agri- cuitural eckools of their own, but more money to eend their students to Bangor a.ftor some practical experience on the farms.

FEEDERS WANTED FOR BANGOR. Mr Dodd replied to Ma- Jotlra Roberts, and said that in his speech lie had! shown the "weakness of tho present system. What they wanted wa.s a plaoo wibkvh would aoti as a feeder to Bangor. Professor Winter was in favour of the schemo for establisihinig1 a school at Abergele with an agricultural bias, as stuitents would be prepared tlhere to feed) Bangor. The experts of the Board of Agriouitjuxe hadt expressed the same opinion, and in a letter written so far I-xfk as 1909 tliey had pointed out that in neme of the eight county schools did they differentiate. It was necessary that there should be agricultural t uition in one of the county seiwols, and it wtw felt that Aber- I gele was the most suitable* Ho was sorry to hear Mr Iby speak in the way he had. It seemed that Mr Rigby was oi the opizvion that not-hiag further was required in agricultural trainiag. There was, however, a crymg need throughout the country for eaore lisstructicsi in agriculture. In foreign countries the students had far greater facilities than in this country. White they might establish the school at either of tire other centres, Abergele was having- an offer which would be of the greatest benefit to it. The mhool there would be the pioneer of the movement, ama sdholawjhtp?? would be pro- vided for it eo tliat cfcaldren could oosne from ail parte of the county. It wouid act as a fr for Bangor in the game way) tfcat the schools gene- rally now acted as feeders fer tb8 art and science Bide of the. University. Mr Jno. Ro •ss^ered they oould. feed Baaigor wffct* sgfft)Stsfeaa'Si students under existing arrajigemesda. Mr Dodd hoped that they were not prepared to keep on in the old fashioned way, and he ag- pealed to the meeting' not to support Mr Rigby s motion. Mr R. II. Roberts (YauxhaE) said the fanners' sons were not properly equipped when they went to Bangor for the tuition they Welle to receive there. If the money proposed1 to be spent at Abergele was expended in the direction of send- ing profeseors round to the different county schools he beiieved good would result The farmers were poor, and they oould npt aliosrd to eetndl their soma to Abesrgede and to keep them tbefBe while they were beinf, taught, whereas the expense -would be a great doe-al less if classes were hrildi in eadh of the county schools and lectures given by visatong professors.

TOO MUCH THEORY. Mr Griffiths said he realised that in what Mr Dodd proposed there was a. great deal of theory, buit there was too muclt of it (laughter). What they wanted was something a little more prac- tical. Wiho was to pay the salaries of theteach- '4,t rirs in agriculture ? Tbey would want at least JB200 a year each, a-ndl ho did not believe they would find three or four children in the Aber- gele district o would go to the school to learn H/grioultaire. Hieory was all very well, but he had! had some practical experience. AKtiougih tie had urged farmers to seTsd their children from LIaafair to the Abergele County School he could onJy get one to do 00. To keep a school (tit Abergele for agriculture was all nonsense (laughter). Mr Edwards (IJanelian) eaid he was able to speak 3d a late student of the Bangor Universi- by. Most of the young men, who went there to take the agricultural course were not sufficiently prepared f,r the work. He believed that an a4pr.icuiturtJ school would bo of the greatest advantage to the oomnrnnity. MT D. Lewis felt thra., if inquiries were held they would have technical evidence before thera, and he did! mot think it wise to diseuras the eoheane in detail until that was done. He pro- posed that, they adjourn the matter until after the inquiries had been held. The Rev. Thos. Lloyd seconded. Mr Dodd supported1 the views put forward by Mr Edwards, who had had experience in the matter. They wanted to provide one school in the county with an agriculiumal bin& so that they oould prepare sfrudenits specaaHy for the Univer- sity course. li they had the school at Abergele scholarships wouikl be provided to enable the students from other pairts or the county to at- tend M|r Cromar asked1 if the J-olnt Education Com- mittee had inquiries as to the number of students from ffhe ftigIA schools who would be prepared to go to the school at Aherg, Mr Dodd replied tlisut they could not say what the supply wormrl be until they created the de- mand. Thc,-v hwil a very large numbetr of chil- dren in their schools, and when they provided facilities for agriaulturaJ education he felt sure the studernte wouild be foarthoooning.

AN EXPLANATION. Mr Simon Jones said thetre was one serious misunderstanding- that day. People ran away with the idea that the Abergele School was to be one for agriculture only. It was nothing of the kind. It was to be a sohcol with an agri- cultural bias, but other subjects and other m- struction would bo given there. The agricultu- ral bias was to be in addition to what was al- ready provided, and he hoped that the people of Abergele would realise that they were getting something more tham at, present. Mr Thomas Jones asked if the population of the Abergele and CoPwYll Bay district justified the establishment of another school at Coiwyn Bay. seeing that Abeirgide was to remain as 'at present with am. additional agricultural bias. Mr J. Alien: It is aaid ifchat the training at Abergele is to be the same. A division was then taken on Mr Rigby's Bimendsnent, and it was declared carried by 22 votes to 8.

A PROTEST FROM COLWYN BAY. Mr D. S Davies said it was useless and absurd to hold inquiries after such a oivisdon. The Rev. Thomas Lloyd protested that the motion which he had seconded had not been put to the meeting. They had moved that the dis- oussiom be adjourned until after, the inquiries. The Chatrmain said the amendment, conild be put to the meeting at that s,t«uge. What had boetnt proposed WM an amesndment to Mr Rigoy's ajnendmeni, and by the rules of debate an amendment could mot, be. moved to a.n amend- ment. The amendment oould -be taken now that Mr Rigby's had been disposed of. The Rev. Thomas Lloyd said he seconded Mr D. Lewis that the discussion be adjouirned uintil after the inquarkss. The Chairman: That is a dircob negative. The Clerk said it was for the JojRt Commit- tee to decide whether they would have an in- quiry or not. Mr Dodd said they were in a. very unfortu-

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fiato pceition as a Joint Education CoamiBtjtee. They had been asked in the first plac-a to hoM to inquiry, and they were prepared to do so. rhm there came a resolution from Abergele eaying that they did not want an inquiry, yet tibe Council that day had passed a resolution in favour of an inquiry, but on the other hand had tiold, the Joint Committee that in their opinion they did not comfi&r that a school with an agri- cultural bias at Abergele was needed. They had expressed an opinion upcai the very subject of the inquiry ("No, no"). What was tho use of going to Abere and hokfcng an inquiry when the majority Otf tae- Council were against wfeet was proposed by the committee ? The meni&ers OODM find plenty to do without wasting their tamo on such masters. He coasideaed at would be an insult to the Council to go en with the inquiry after that decision. The Joint Educa- tion Ccmmiitee would take tie opinion of tihe County Council foe- what it wns worth, j Mr Mac. Nicoll said tha oonanlittee should still liold the li.'Kjuiry on the scheme. Ail the (Jotttv oil had done was to express an opirwon on the question of an agricultural bias for the Abec- gte.1e Sckool. They could hold the inquiry and pre-pare a report afterwards. Mr Rigby said he did not tt«r; k that the un- quiry siiouid be abandoned. Ttie two sides of the proposal were not in conflict, and as the Joint Committee siiid they wifefced to have the opinion of ail interested parties they should holt] the inquiry and ascertain the opinion of othecs m the same way as they had that day ascertained the opinion of the Council. Tire Douffseil then paxxspsded to deal with the other portion of the scheme, and nothing fur- ther transpired on the swbieot of tJl inquiries.

FAIR PLAY lrOR, NON-PEOVIDISD SCHOOLS. Mr Rig-by said he noticed that witli regaird to the a of govruors tihere was a littte iHssa»ffi»esfl towards the provided kj!k>»1s, which he did net think was intetrf^.ional. rflie schesne had been drawn with great cam, and a new ema, was dawaissg, and he was sure tihat tihe Joisifc Conwnittee wwhe-d tliat all parties should be fairly represented, but, he did not think it was quite the thing that the provided should b- givon four governors v.lhile the con-provided had but CCLS. While there had been a great con- troversy oa the <?JemeT!t»ry scfc«ol question he did not thiafe th^re !!ro.Ji b any rrrarked divi- cion an the seesrada-ry saiioo! question, all parties working wet) together, and tie wished to see more of that .it.. There was nothing of ,1 <Jeneen';natioBa.l or sectarmn character in the seeandiary s, and be ht that tlie goveoaors sh««i4d be elected in propesrtion to the misaber of aliiJdreu is average attewdtuice on the bowkfii of the elementary schools. Out of tlie 23,000 or 24,660 children on tlie books about 14,006 were in the provided sdiools, end; 8000 in the nflSf-providtod. Let them give fair repre- sentation, and he was sum that there would be a. spirit of co-operation on all sides. He pro- poeed. that the rc-preaamta-tien be on the limes of the projsoB (hen of sciclasre. I Mir Fitafaugh seconded. Mr DtnAl agreed that there was no marked divisioa in secondary school managenlealt, there was in elesnesrt^ry I control, and he a€Teed "with Mr Rigby that all parties were working well together. He was qiKte prepared to meet the other side on the matter. Roughly speaking, there were two Council Schools to one non-provided school, ajad he waø prepared that the echeine should be eo modified! that the go- vea-nors appointed shaaM represent the Cowatil Sehocrls in Che proportion of four to two (hear, bear). Mr Rigby accepted this, and' it was agreed to. Tho draft scheme was then put to the meet- ing, and- canned with the atmeadmonts adopted that day. The Chairman said he considered the OOHHI- Cil owed a great deal to Mr Dodd for tbe way fil which he bad placod1 the scheme before the meeting (hear, hear).

COLWYN BAY INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL SAFE. At the dcse of the meeting* the meinbws re- sponsible for drafting the scheme freely express- ed the opinion that Cclwyn Bay would now have an intBrmcdiaAe sahcol, because the dis- cussion of the 42Ly had not revealed any opposi- tion to that portion of the cchem-e, the whole opposition being a-praxeutiy di recited to pievent- ing Abergele, being made a sahcol with an agri- culturad biaa

ABERGELE TOWN ADVER- TISING ASSOCIATION. A SUBSTANTIAL SURPLUS. Mr Edward WiilUzn, J-P., pmided on Fri- j d.ayev{Jniu.g (}VeT a. Gh(';etin of the Abergele Town Advertising Aaeociaticn, he\d in the Coun- cil Chamber. The foKowing- were pi-esent: MemTr, E. W. Ilajrrop, John Williams (Harp Hote^.H. Lewis (GwLndy), W. Vawgban Jones, O. Owens, B. C. Wiliams, D. G. Roberts E. Bat- kin, R. E. Needbam, J. Alexandre. T. R. T;Jü. mas. It. Roberts (Glasfryn), H. Dyer, John Ed- wards (Tanyfrem). wiWi fchc eecrotary, Mr Harry E. Thomas.

SECRETARY'S BALANCE SHEET AND REPORT. M.r Thomas subieiitted the statement of ac- counts for the year, showing reoeipte amoujatijog to B140 8s Oá-d and an expenditure cif £ 8G 168 lljd. There was a balance in hand (including a balance of JB55 19s Sd from a. year) of .£59 lis Id. The Whit-Monday Sports yiekiad a sum of £ 57 161 id, and tlie saibfcriptions aiaounted to JS15 &s 9d. The auditors were Messrs G. V. Tho- mas and David Jones. The Chairman remarked that they couid 000- gratulate therrwalvcs upon their satisfactory financial position, which was due to the efforts of their secretory (hear, bear). In moving that the acommte be adopted, Mr John Edwards also referred to Mr Thomas's en- ergy and indkwtry. Mr D. G. Roberts having seconded the motion the baJanoe ebcet was approved. In xopotting upon the wetrk done by way of advertising Abergele and Ponearn, the Secretary said he had received 4raring the mommer 372 ap- plications for handbooks, 243 being from Lanca- shire alone. Upon the proposition of Mr John Edwards, seconded by the Chairman, it was unanimously decided to present Mr Thomas with an hono- rarium of 10. In thanking the committee, the Secretary said ho wouftd continue "to do his utmost to keep the Association in its prewnt flourisbing condition.

THE ANNUAL MEETING. It was decided to hold the annual meeting in future on the first Monday in October, when the election of officers nd oowmittoo wiffl take place.

SUBSCRIBERS. Am.>ng the subscribers to tie funds of the Association during the year weie the following: —Mr B- Kneerhaw (the president), Abergele Gas Co., Cino-n T. Jonys, Mr G. H. Judeon, Mr T. F, Hopkins, Mr John Williams (Harp Hotel), Mr H. E. iMchard, CcSbnel Savage, Meagre Gwyn Sheffield, C. P. Sheffield, C. P. Jones, J. H. Ellis, Harry Fltetcher, Herbert Wall, E. W. P&rry (Rhyl1), Wood and Bestall, Owen and Co.. Robert Jones (Bowdon House), Mips S. H. Prioe. the Misses Woodbouee, the Misses Jones (Fair- field), Messrs E. B. Jones and Co., F. W. Bure- 1e.m, H. Fitton. E. WilHauoa (Coanpton House), E Williams (Peel Gardens), Mass WilKantB (Peei), Mr W. Grey Jones, Mrs DtLvie3 (Dol- anog), Mr Owen (Hondirefawr), Mm Roberts fPlougb Hotel, St. Asaph), Messrs Water worth Brcs., Mies Klein, Mr L. Fraser, the Misses Philips, Price Mm Evans (Edgefield Villa), Messrs H. E. Grobe (Braclr lion Hotel), J. H. Cawingion, T. Davies (Railway Hotel), Hillie-rs, II. and J. Tiionias, Calvert (Kiamel), H. C. Watorhouso, Tom Jones (Bryn G&J.el. T. Vajug-han (Ty Mawr), Blakensore, Richard Jonca, Humphney WiTSasm, R. !3.. Rowlands, Tom Da- vice, D. Davies (Post Offioe), W. Jones, Sidney Woed, John JOIbOO, Peter Wiiliawas. W. Brother- ton, J. R J-ones, Orchard, J. Davies (Hta*pp Hoteh), Ingman (Mold), Bleddyn Roberts, MiaeeB Clayton, Owen (St. AsBjvh), Probert, Brewaber, M. E. Rdberte, MTs H. Hug%m, Miss E. S. Nichofl, L.D.. Mr James Buohanian, Mrs Parry, Miss Jones, Miaa Cartwright, Mrs Wank- dcr-o Mrs Parry, M re Rogers, M-mom R. Rohei-ts, E. CuSen, B. Adam, etc. The spibsoribens in kind were the Aberpele and Pensaam Urban Dia*riofc Council, MJCEBTB W. Jonee and SOBB, Fred. Capper, M. R. Jones, Uioiuas Evaai, John Wilbajn*. Rksbard Janow, D. C. Ro- berts, John Roberts, W. A. Jones, W. Thomas, W. Cfeecters, Moas Jones, C. W. Btelmell, W. FcatbMHtone, Ed Williams, J.P., E. A. Crabbe, E. W. Harrop, E. Batkin, Geoaige Perkins, E. Worrail, Robert Jones (Fern Bank), and H. B. Thomas.

M. Chavez, the aviator who last woek flew across the Alps, died) on Tuesday as trio result of the injuries he rooeiwd through his machine" turning turtle as he was descending at Domo- dessohi- Fierce strike riots have occurred at Berlin, k wlicrd th^ police had to use their revolvers and sabres to drive back the inob, who are said to have had an advance guara of women and chil- dren. Scores of people were injured. Hysysir fod y Parch Edwyn Charles Hart, gweindog Egiwys AneHbynol Saeanig, Penmaon- mawr, a ohadeirydd Tindeb Anibynwyr Saesnig Gogledd Cyniru, wedi cydbynio a galwad dder- byritiodd o lwye Anibynol Wylde Green, Bir- mingham; a bydd idido ddecbteu ar ei ddyfed- Bwydda« yno y Sab&di oyutaf yn Tachwedd.

IMPORTANT SALE AT MADRYN FARM, near BAN GOB NEARLY £ 5960 REALISED. An important sale of cattle, horses, sheep aø81 agricultural implements was conducted at Mad- rjrs^ the late experimeatal farm of tlie Univer- sity College of North WoWi, to-day NV-116 by Messrs, Frank Li-oyd ancl: Sons (Wrex- ham), and Mr John Pritchard, Dangor. The mckidcd animals from Tanyfjmweat. the faritt of Mr Thomas Koberte, who is retiring. There was very large ar-cl, inftuentiai company present at the lui:chc«{i, which ov<"J by Mr R M. Greaves, Wera, Portaiadoc, wbo propoeod the neaith of the Ring, amdmi-,o i--ucoeo to the sale, coupling with tbe toaet the ime3eO of Professor Winter and Mr Thomas lix^bertA makang special mentk.n of the high quality the stock both gentieenen were putting bk-4010 tbe pubiic. Mr Winter replied, saying wh great p.Via.ure it had been to him to be connect6" with Welsh oattie and WeL-h afeeep, and that dttring the kust six or seven years be h* been abie to hold his own in tile principai in0lv-" yards of England and Wales (hear-, bear). *5 Thomas Robert^ said no cattle were calcuiat*g to do more iroed in the ooiintry tienn the VV catt'e, and they had brought fame a profit to many of tke Weish farrr»erB.

iJPG PRICES ¥OH BLACK CATTLE- The j-jriees ruled high thax»ugheut. In the posal of the Welsh biaek catCo herd, whicii j founded about fh-ir'.«en years ago, some prices were obtsuned. Lord Pe<<i'kyji paid^^Y guineas for "Medryn Ssily ll. a o»w has gn-ined several prizes, untou,g other ahows> the floyal amd the Weiah National. guiaeas was paid for ''xSJadryu M.'sude," an«^9^ notable prrse-wianer, and foriy-nine and gUHiicas was the prieo .g-i-voen for Ohvyn. "Madryn Bally HI." ftgur<?d the prize list cI the k<a^e%' shows in the l-e^Afised forty-five Ifte top jrrk^ sixty-eig-bt guineas pasd for "Masfcryn 9*^ IV. a wefl-known wiacar by the CXsexi Trustees fer whom Mr D. Mao. itftooll acted. Piatt, C.B., paid t5»r ty-ene gmirieaa for Moily V." Otiher protninem lots were:—"Madryn M II., 29 guine?^; ''Madryn 3aDy, 20 "Madtrytn. Bkxte'eri," 14 gahieas; Molly," 29 guineas; "ifadryu Parys," l/i1 grwHcas; "Madryn Molly IV. 25 guteeas, JIJ. .'Randall, LJysfaai, Rutom; "Madryn Muxw III. 22 guinseas, Mr Newell, jptart "Lilly," 22 gu.neas, Mrs Wyxtn Fineb, who bougiit "Matkytn Mux Eon TV." for 15^ feline*0' "Madrjoi .RŒoe V. M Mir Saaetevi behalf of tM Vaiiey Ranoh, Bnthin); Molly YI. 21 gurrsaas, Coten»l Piatt, "Madryn N-oil V. an*t 15^ gxiineas, Mr A. Wiliiajas, Petusaaenmawr. The foBowmg were tbe chief lots of th pecSgree cows, calves and bulls of tbe ploo Welsh breed from rrwent iPario' "Gellian," Mx As^wton-SotKh, 30 guin- "Gelliara II. Mr SantLiJI, 24 g:til:Deais i Ajun," Mr Newell, Poctmadoe, 21 gaiveaa; "A MiaJlard," tbe Hon. F. G. Wynn, 21 ginowae. 1*^ bub "Vvem Emperor" iron Msfcdryu fetebed guiaeae, the buyer being Mr Sacdall, and Penrhyn paid 26 guineas for "Maghlvi Cawr. A the buyers of cows afid heifers were tblo Hon. Mrs Brodriek, Messrs Priddmgt .er, Jones, Carrog; Roberts, Dmbieii; OaaMJ1lIlP 'i\t,rporiey; Ellis, Tajruieebion; H. Jertes, Cif" Uarvon; Pritchard" Menai Bridge, and Nllss Jones, Carnarvon. The shire gelding "Prinee," a well-krie^ animal, was sold to Mr SaixishH for 59 g'f1 aiad he also bought "Geini Woodbine" for 51 guineas, "Maxiryn Violet," 34 gmnuas, and "WhiteHseW for 24 guineas. For the ba1 shire mare "Harriet" Mr Taylor, Warring paid 29 grnnetre, acd he bought the bloa mare "Jet" for 28 g-uimus. Mr Toago gave to guineas for a b&y gekiiag, and Mr Parker, Roabou, 25 guineas ior a efeesfcnut ibUlllltress. Ihe puro Weteh mouotaan ponies fetched £ 300, malting up 20 gHiiiaaaa each. Uie wisoLo of tho shines and working .Ito from Madryn were purchased by the V Ranch at prices from 30 guineas to 59 guinea Tbe ^iire mare "Cefn Woodbine" roade 58 The 1 arrest purchaaere were Coiosel Piatt, a*d Mr Saaiiaiis, wiese pirrcfeafe.! eoraadwaWy ceeded £ 1000 each, and among the other priori pal buyers wi?re Lord Penrfeya, tbe Hem. Edwa*" Moatyn, Air R. M. Greaves, Mrs Wynn the Coed Ooch Estate, and Mr Newell. P«^ madoc. Ajnong the sprincipal buyers of the pedigrOO; cattfc were: Mr George PridOng, Chester; 3ft J. C. Jonas, Pwllhdi; Mr Wsrfkins, Pw«heB01 Cokme1 Peteonaen, Major PritdM.c. Mr Botv^ Roberts and others. Ámong- the buyers of the fat and store cattle wetoe: MessrB John JoneS and Sons, Llandudno; Messrs W. H. PritcharA Mrrtfii Bridge; Geozgo Pridding; W. Robert^ Denbigli; Jones, Garrog; Tiamas Bros., Iiaf erchyniecd; CunanririB, Tajpoiiey, etc. '12« following eh ires from Madryn were secured tue Valley JtuacJi Coiojaial and Agricutturail Cc* lege, Cefai Woodbine, 10-yea.r-old, 58 -115. Madryn Belle, L years, 36 gns.: Madrya VioJ.i, 7 years, 34 giia Wkitesmim, foaled 1909, 2ft gnP- < ahirc oolt, i a,-ed 1909, 31 gns. Prince, cbcstai^ ge'ding, year-old, 59 gas.; colt, fcaded 19M 62 Of the Tainyfymvent shires, Mr Taylor Warrington, ctcured Hasriet, 9-year-ald, for 39 guineas, tKe ioal making 84 guineas. He alsO bought Jet, rising í years, for 22 gns. bay god- iug. rising 4 ea.rs. made lS gns., a 3-year-old fillv 20

hWND DAY'S SALE. On the second -day tbe attendance was sto* g- oatw, a lid tho conpe&itkm for Una var of ebecp were very keen. For the Mao- ryr. stock the loljowing prices were .AAahmed TViligi-^e slot -ilinr mowrtam ewes, 469 to 78s ehrii i two shear ewes, 42s to 65s; tbree Ieaz. «'6 to 6Ca: fc u shear, 32fe 6d to 40s; fNe sham 37. 6d; pedigree moootain ewe lambs. 32s bEl. to 80s; pedigree mountain rams, 4 gns. to 5 gas; Welsh ram lam-be, JB1 10s to £ 6; wether larofes, 34s; two shear Southdown ram, .£14 14a, apd » sbeaxiin^ Southdown ram, £ 8 8s. T&Z.bte<* Southdown ram Jambs made from £ 7 7s; Southdown ewes, from 77s 6d to lfljSBJ Southdown ewe lambs, 4Qa to 57s ód-: shearhnc mountain ewes, 22s to 25s; two akear, 24a to 2911¡ thueo thear, 26,5 to 27s; ewe lambs/ 13s to 18si 6d; wether lamhe, 146 fxi to 16s 6d. From Tajiyfynwent Farm twelve Wiltshire ewe iamte made from 363 to 44s; Boutbclo" ewes, 46s to 50s; Wiltshire ewe iamte, 2Ba to 33s; Wiltshire ram lambs. £ 2 & to £ Z 15s; ram lambs, 75s to 95s; sbeajrfmg Soo&dowsl rams, to £5 5s; pedigree Welsh ewee, 30s td 429 6d; Welsh ewe larabe, 22s 6d to 42s pedigree Webfli XanI iawibfi, 27s 6J to 97s 6d; breeding ewes, 21s to 25s. The a-rmngementg for the sale were efficienib carried out' by Professor Winter, and both vew- d"C(l"S were congratulated by the pntchasers on tb8, exoeQency of the sbodk that had been placed fore tibem. The biddino on both days wwo brisik, the grand total of the sale approaching £ 50°°..

NEW SECRETARY OF THE LIFEBOAT INSTITUTION. The committee of management of the Royal Natienal Lifeboat Institution has appointed Mr George F. Shec, M.A., until recently secretary of the National Service League, to the position of secretary of the institution.

SLEEPING AND WORKING, Good Work Needs Good Sleep. We spend) moot of our lives in doing tvro thnlage: steeping and working. But we do net get all that we should out of either. VVIBN worbing we do our best td be wortfi the rnonoy we cam; we should starve if we dida't. Good work needls good sleep betore it; when you don't sleep well you don't work weil. Thia is always the case. How many men sleep reall^f wdal The remedy batl ateepers want is Dr. Tibbl, Vii-Ooccra. Nerves thet are out of condit wom-out, need Vi-Oocoa to put tbem rigfab again. Vi-Cocoa gives you sound, dr«tiir>leM deep—just what will tone you up bri-gSut amA Dr. Tibbies' Vi-Coooa is the food- bevera^pai which keeps the user always in the best OIl health. There is scthkig to equal it in ttet properlteee as a heaLdi restorer and a health rop. tainer. Dr. Tibblce Vi-Oacoa can be obt everywhere in 6d packets-, 9d and Is 6d tine. Do not ask your grocer for cocoa. Ask tag ^fCocoa -.it makes all the difEeremee.

The "London Gazette" annouiKies that appli^ oatiom, has been reoeived by the Board of Tfcada from the Western Union Telegraph Oompaay, for tho licence to lay down and maintain updrt the foreshore and bed of the sea at Saajwa Cove, Conruwall, two additWnAl caMat hnu iJB«8ic§h.