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NEWTOWN AND LOCAL BOARD. An adjourned meeting of the Board wis held at the Boardroom on Thursday evening, when tneve wer,, present Captain E. Pryce-Jones, chairman.; Messrs 0. Morgan, Richard Lioyti, A. S. Cooke, Ibomas Jones, John Hughes, David Owen, Edward Jones, Evan Ashton, David Lewia, W. H. Lew s, Inornas Owen, with Molars William Cooke, clerk, R. YV. Davies, surveyor, and John Pryce, inspector. GOVERNOR FOR NORTH WALKS COLLSGE. On the motion of Mr C. Morgan seconded by Mr A S. Cooke, Mr Ellison wAs re-appointed to this office. THS CLIFTON TEHP.ACE NUISANCES. Mr Pryce, nuisance iuspretor, reported thit the occupiers had made tin necessary d",¡j,:c ot rub- bish, but the owners had not yet complied with tiie notices. The Chairman Will you explain, Mr Pryce, what course you suggest s..ould be done with reference to the nuisances, where your liotic13dha.Vd not been complied with ? Mr Richard Lloyd thought the matter had already been dealt with. The Chairmau We will ask Mr Pryce why it was not carried out. What are you waiting lor, Mr Pryce ? Mr Pryce: There was no time to get summons ont before the last meeting of th3 magistrates. The Clerk read the iniuute of tha last meeting with reference to the question which stated that the report was adopted, and the Inspector was instructed to take further proceedings if necessary to eniorce the order being complied with. The Chairman said that there was more than one way in which they could carry out the resolution. It was possible that there was more than one person interested in the property, and no one took the initiative, because they were waiting for someone else to do so. Under the Public Works Improvement Act he thought that they could take steps to ascer- tain the cost of putting the place in good repair. Then if the owners refused to carry out the work the Board could do so and recover the cost. It was for the Board to consider whether they should tike the course of summoning first, or whether they should take the matter into consideration. Mr Richard Lloyd: It would simplify matters very much if the Inspector carried out Lue instructions of the Board. Mr Pryce: I want to know if I am to ask for a special meeting of the magistrates to deal with the case, or leave it until the next petty sessions? Mr Richard Lloyd: If the matter is urgent, of course you can do so. The Clerk called attention to a letter written by his 80n respecting the nuisances on the Short Bridge. He thought if the Doctor. Mr Pryce, and the Sur- veyor went there, that they would iind something with which they were not acquainted It was decided to let the question be dealt with in the usual way. THE WATER SUPPLY-APPROACHING THE END. The Clerk read the report of the committee upon this question, which was to the following etIect :-11) accordance with your instructions the committee met on the 8th milt. to consider the claims of the New. town Waterworka Company. The Company have agreed to accept the proposals of the Local Board to supply water by meter for flushing the sewers and watering the streets, the payment to be tl5 10s per annum for the rent of the hydrants; < £ 1 3s Od for the cemetery house, and ..£1 2a Od for the Local Board offices. It remained for the committee to consider and report upon the following points of dispute. (I.) Payment to be made by the Local Board for tne repair or replacement of hydrants; (2) payment by meter for water used in flushing tne urinals; (3) payment of the increased sum of .£23 10a per annum since the expiration of the notice dated December 4th, 1891. (1.) They recommend the Board to accept the following condition. The Company to repair the hydrants and keep the same ingood condi- tion, in proper working order, and to replace them when necessary from any other caaaes than when they were broken or injured from the negligence or carelessness of the Local Board or their servants or workman, then in such case .the cost of repair or replacement shall be paid by the Board. (2.) They recommend that the water used for flushing the urinals be paid for by meter, provided the Company agreed to a test meter being placed at only one of the urinals, the quantity of water used, as indicated by that meter, to be regarded as the average use at each urinal, and charged for accordingly. (3.) The com- mittee do not recommend the Board to pay the Com- pany the additional charge of je23 10s per annum made for water used since 4th July, 1892. Mr Richard Lloyd asked that the last paragraph should be read ovar again, which was accordingly done. The Chairman: As chairman of this committee I do not propose to-night to enter into any argument with regara to this question. I think that probably this report will be received favourably, I think almost unanimously by the Board. Therefore I shall make a mistake, if I enlarge upon this matter when it has now reached a state when it will shortly be finally closed. Lthink I ought to explain for the benefit of those members not upon the committee what our proposals are. There are three points on which the; Board and Company differ, and the proposals of the committee on these points are as follows.: — The: Chairman then went over the different proposals in their turn. He said that the reason they only wanted one meter at the urinals was because they considered three or more as so much mcney wasted. Referring to paragraph 3, he said he thought that the Company would scarcely think that they had a good claim for any increase. The water had been used tor some time, and it would be a matter of considerable debate to artive at any fair price. Mr Edward Jones asked would it mot be better to leave that point until they ascertained the difference., They might prove that they had been over-paying, the Company, or perhaps it would be that the Board, were not paying the Company enough. He thought: that it would be better to leave the matter over until' they arrived at the difference in the quantity. He, did not think that the Company were to blame in! ,that matter, as they had done all they could, and had been most patient with the Board, and treated them with the greatest indulgence. Everything that they had asked for the Company had given them. Mr C. Morgan: Do I understand that you are will- ing to leave that.in abeyance for twelvemonths. Mr Edward Jones: No, but to wait until it is de- eided. The Chairman:- May I take it from that that.if we used leas water ithan was contracted for that the cempany will refund the difference in the amount -(laughter) Mr Jones: No, air. You have been naimg it upon the old basis, and it is a question whether you been using too maoh or too little. The Chairman: Jf the Board have used more water then they are to pay more money, but if they have used less that the company will give back the surplus (laughter). Mr Richard Lloyd suggested that the third point should be referred to arbitration. The Chairman proposed the adoption of the report. Mr W. H. Lewis said that the Board and the ompany had now acme to a settlement on all excepting that one point, and he should like to suggest that that matter should be settled also. He ,Aid not think that all the Company were ratepayers, -of that district, and he did not think that they wanted to-screw them down to those few pounds* He would suggest, or move, if it met with the approval of the Board, that they offer the Company X5 to settle that matter. He waa of opinion that the Company would expeet; a small sum, and then iihey should have the mattwjuuehed. Mr John Hughes seconded. On being put to the I vote, only the mover and seconder voted for the amendment, against six. As no one oCered to second the Chairman's pro- position, he called upon some one of the members te do do. Mr A. oS. Cooke said that he kerned that they would be unanimous in the matter. Jle was of opinion that the latter part could be dUoirad to stand over for twelve months, so that the meter system would junre fair trial. Mr David Oww.: I have no obseotion at all in seconding the adoption of the report, but I failed to agree along with tkam at the last meeting at which we drew up the Deport. I was JDy mayself, and I suppose that it is .something to "dare to be & Daniel," and to staa £ .alone. My little scheme wae for the judnals to be hashed by our cart (laughter).; I am atillvery much against the metar aysWm. and' I believe the town would save money by the other mode. At present the coiiials are not cleaned out. The Chairman I am afraid you are digressing a little, you know. Have yiou seconded the report. Mr Owen ? Mr David Owen: Well; f don't know whether it is safe or net {laughter). The Clerk >• I have it down that you have seconded the adoption of the report. Is it eorrect or not? Mr D. Owen Very welf, let it go with my proteet against the ayatem (loud laughter). The report was then put to the vote, and adopte4. eight voting for it. The Chairman then asked the indulgence of the Board to read to them an extract from the Act of the Newtown Waterworks Company, which was found in Clause 22, and was as rollows No person shall be disqualified es a director by being a comsujmoner or a trustee nnder the Act o/ Parlia- ment, or member of any Local Board for aojr public purpose within the limits of this Act, or mortgagee #* rate*, o* justice of tb# peace for ib# &ri*ion v, ■.vilhin which th. water works may bo situate, and not si.arotun-ier oi ilia Ouiupuu.v siia.il be disqualified as J suca commissioner, trustee, or uieutbec by reason of any eoutract between the Company and the commis- sioners, trustees or Local Board, provided always ttiac n■> commissioner, trustee, or member who is a director or .-siiareaolder or holder of debenture stock skill act or vote at auy meeting of suca commis- sioner-, trustees, or Board, or at any committe ap- pointed by such commissioners, trustees, or Board, on auy question or with reference to any matter in which tuch director or shareholder has direct or in- direct interest as a shareholder." He stated that sone weeks a^o. Then ha went on general Acts, but he found in looking at the Act of the Newtown Waterworks Company that in addition to these Acts they had b^en most particular in the matter. Me^ sim'ply wished to poiut one to the members of the Board that he did not venture to correct any gentle- man without a knowledge of the subject. Mr Richard Lloyd asked that the names of those who did tiOt vote should be taken down. FIRE BRIGADE. Important letters were received from Mr W. F. Thomas respecting the supply of water at some recent and the letters were ordered to be placed on :h" agenda for the next meeting. DJSPU 1"11: BKTWKEJ) THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL. The Clerk said that the committee appointed by the Board, had met a committee appointed by the County Council, and they had gone into the matter thoroughly, comparing toe claims of the Board with the expenditure as shown in the ledgers, and also gouig into the correspondence which had taken place. Up to 1893 they were under the old system, and tha full amount was paid except XS 14s 9d for stone remaining upou the side of the road; or rather it was twicd that amount, but the Council were only res- pou-ible for cne halt. With this sum and another amount in dispute, the total was brought up to J:33 18, 8d, which the Council had now paid to them. Mr C. Morgan: Has nothing been done with refer- ence) to the town ooundaries ? The Clerk said that a letter was sent sometime ago; but nothing further had been done. It was decided to instruct the Surveyor to write a letter at the dictation of the Street Committee to the Council. THE CHRISTMAS MARKET. Mr Thomas Jones called the attention of the Board to the ttleu that it was time to arrange the Christmas markets. In the past the matter had always been decayed tuo long, and the farmers had complained of it. Mr A. S. Cooke proposed that they be held as foilowa: fat stock and live poultry on December 12th, and the dead meat market on December 19th. Objection nas takea to this by several members, on the ground that it was too early, and it was agreed to leave it in the hands of a committee to ascertain wnich were the best days to hold the markets. THE POWERS OF THE GAS COMPANY. The Clerk said he had been instructed to write and enquire under what Act or provisional order the Newtown Gas and Coke Company were carrying un their business, and he received the following reply trom tne ecre¡;a.ry Uctober 9th. My directors request me to inform you tnat tiley are proceeding at present as they and their predecessors always nave done (loud laughter.) He received instructions from the Committee to write to the Board of Trade, and enquire if the Newtown Gas and Coke Company had obtained an Act or provisional order, and if so he would be obliged for a copy. The following reply was received: "In reply to your letter ofthelltn inst., I am directed by the Board ot Trade to say that so far as they are aware the Newtown Gas and Coke Company never obtained an Act of Parliament or provisional order in respect of their undertaking (laughter.) The Chairman said that the committee appointed recommended that the Board forward a copy of the letters to the Gas and Coke Company, informing them that they had no power to break up the streets of the town without the authority of the Local Board, aud that they muat obtain the sanction of the Board in future before they do so. He begged to propose the adoption of the report. He could not see that the committee had any other course to recommend for protecting the interests of the town. Of course they did not yet know whether the Company had got an Act or not, but they had refused to let the Board know and had declined to give a proper answer to their letter. Therefore they were compelled to write to head quarters, and the reply was to the effect that so far as they were aware the Company had no private Act or provisional order. When the correspondence was sent to the Company, they should also inform them that in future they must obtain the permission of the Board before they break up the streets. Mr Edward Jones: Have not the Gas Company always asked permission to cut up the streets ? The Chairman: They have alwa)s given-notice. Mr Edward Jones: But they ask permission when they give notice, do they not? The Chairman They merely give notice, and then they go and do the work. It is not exactly the same as if they had to keep the atreetli in repair. I am not aware that they have an Act. Mr Richard Lloyd: I cannot tell you, as I am a director; but Mr C. Morgan can tell you. Mr Morgan Your father was a director. Mr Richard Lloyd He is dead. Mr C. Morgan: Yes, bat their acts will follow them. Mr W. H. Lewis seconded the proposition of the Chairman. Mr Edward Jones I do not see that we have any grievance. If the Gas Company had been doing serious damage to our streets then we might have a case. As it is we have no reason to complain, at the same time it is very well for us to know our position The Chairman We are taking a proper course. We are now exeroiaing very important rights, and unless we hear sometning very different we shall gain these rights. The streets belong to the town, and no company without having an Act of Parlia- ment behind them can break up those streets, and we shall hear that Newtown still has a right to have other gas companies if she thinks proper. The proposition was then put and carried. THE TOWN IMPROVEMENTS. The Chairman said that he had no desire to press his offer of .£10 towards improving the appearance of the town; but he hoped that those who opposed the matter upon the ground of procedure a few meetings ago, if they thought that the amount might be beneficially spent, that they would place a notice on the agenda, so that the question could be dealt with as early as possible. Mr Richard Lloyd You talk about keeping up law and order, and in the same breath your next subject is to break up law and order by giving your JBIO to do an illegal act. Mr Thomas Jones: I have heard a lot about the steam roller, and at last this steam roller has come. The Chairman: This is not upon the agenda. Mr Thomas Jones I was only just going to ask a plain question. The Chairman: We must be in order. Air W. H. Lewis: I should like to ask whether the question of improving the banks of the Severn has been dropped altogether, or whether you intend pro- seeding any further with it. The Chairman Mr Lewis has asked a very import-: ant question. I consider that during the whole time I have been upon the Board there has never been such A death blow against the town an that of seeking lawyers' advice upon the river bank question. To think that the Board should have gone to the: expense of consulting a solicitor and so giving the owners the position of affairs free of charge I do not think that the owners for one moment would have attempted to enclose the land, which ever I!ince I I can remember,—and in the memory of persons maoh older,—has been free and open to the public. My idea was to plant trees and evergreens there, so to hide the deposits and rubbish that were laid upon the bank. I feal- Mr Rd. L oyd I am sorry to tell you that it cannot be maintained that we are in order at all. Mr. Lewis merely asked what steps the Committee had taken, or were going to take. Bat you are going into the whole matter. If it is intended to disouss the question, all well and good, but let notice be given so that we may be prepared. Mr W. Lewis: I do not wish to say anything upon the legal advice that we have obtained. There has been a great deal too mueh said about it publicly. The Chairman: Hear, hear. Mr Lewis: I should like if the Board would take up the matter again, And disouss the question in committee. The Chairman May I saggest that a special .meeting be called to discusss the whole thing. Mr Lewis: I do not think that it is desirable, it is £ little bit inconvenient to .have so many special: meetings. We can diseuss it ia committee at any meeting of the Board. The Chairman We shall be delaying the planting if We put, it off too long. Mr Rd. Lloyd: if there is any desire for a thorough discussion of the matter, it is quite competent for the committee to say that they have a report to make at the next meeting, Mr C. Morgan was proceeding to make remarks upon the question, when Mr Richard Lloyd said he had to object again. Mr Morgan was discussing the whole qneation. Mr J. Morgan: I am moving a resolution. Mr Richard Lloyd Pardon me; it is— The Chairman: Mr Morgan is speaking to Mr Lewis's motion, Mr Morgan said that the state of the banks were a disgrace to the town, and be exceedingly regretted the action of the Board taken in the matter. He would propose that the same committee again report to the wzO meeting of the Board. Mr David Owen: Better try a new committee (laughter). The Chairman We shall not be in order. Mr Lewis seconded Mr Morgan's proposition, and it was carried. It was decided to add to the motion that the Committee bo asked to take into considera- tion the off"r of the Chairman, and advise upon the beat way of spending the .£10. Mr Richard Lloyd: I consider this question out of order, and enter my protest as a member of this Beard. You obtained legal advice upon the ques- tion, and now you are acting in direct opposition— The Chairman: No. Mr Lloyd: Pardon me; you are acting in direct opposition. If you are wishful of discussing the question, let notice be given. I was due at another place at 7-30, and I cannot stop here to discuss the question now. Mr Lewis I think that we have a perfect right to discuss the solicitor's letter, and offer an opinion upon it. If we have a different opinion to our soli- citor, we have a right to mention that opinion. The matter was referred to the Clifton Terrace Committee.