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BOARDS OF GUARDIANS. NEWTOWN & LLANIDLOES,— WEDNESDAY. Present: Captain W. H. Adams, J.P., chairman, Mr Rfibard Bennett, vice-chairman, Messrs C. Morgalti, John Lewis, William Franois, Edward Edwards, David Jones, R Nutting, Evan Powell, D. Higgs, R. Andrews, David Davies, Evan Jones, Win. Gittins, Wm. Thomas, Daniel Jerman, W. Alderson, M. H. Davies, John Thomas, Edward George, Rd. Pryce, William Jones, John Thomas, Carno, aod Miss Aianie M. Lloyd with Mr R. Williams, clerk. bTÅTIICS. The following amounts were distributed ia out- 'relief: Newtown, per Mr R. R, Lloyd, 470 168 9d to 372 recip ents Llanidloes, pet Mr Rrohard Owen, jt>35 13s 3d to 389 people Lkinwnog, per Mr James Hamer, £ 43 5s 7d to 116 recipients. The Master Ie. ported that the number of inmates in the bouse was 53. Thosd entering the casual ward numbered first week 41 against 51, corresponding week last year, 55 second week against 60 last, year. ALLEGED .&EÃ.i;G OF CONTRACT. { Mr Morgan reported that he w<th other guardians( had visited the house, and found everything in good! order He thought be should draw the attention of the Board to the delivery of bedf and mutton, which in his opinion wrs notllp to cotfiract. He had plainly asked the Master if he were -going to buy meat fur himself, whether be would, pueahase that sent in, and the Master hed immediately replied in the negative. The Chairman sauf the Clark had better write to the contractor, informing him that the Board did not consider the meat delivered>up to contract. The Clerk, <sn rtply to MrrLewis, said all contracts expired by B«%t -Board day, and it was therefore de. cided that noaction should be taken. On the re-assembling of the memo era after dinner, Mr D. Davies said there bad been one remark made earlier in the mefiting of vvhich he did not approve, that the meat was nobqv to contract. H-e thought they would-all admit they had had a very nice-dinner. The mutton and beet we excellent, and he was sure every giuurdian would sty the same. It was unfair to make such .a.Imark in the face of the expiration of the contract. fr -L Mr Edward George agreed with what had been said. Hoe thoaght it-onfair to the Uanwneg butchery who was the-contractor, to make such remarks. The Chairman: I-em sorry I cannot Agree with, what has been said, for a piece of worae-mutton thaq I had to-dey I never ate. It was utterly impossible for me tot«at it. I have seen the-quarfcer ot mutton in the larder Mr Morgan has rtiecred,-to, and it its miserably poor. ILtCKJiva Mr Mosgan It is the firsttHoe I -have spoken about this,, but I-aoa astonished at Al r X»aviee,wi4,h his vait experience, at a gentieauui (itiLia-positiou, to rake up a thing of this kind. Mr Davies :> I am equally surprised at a guardian of 3U years standing to make saeh a remark. Mr Powell: Well, really, I (thought ii very stale myself. The <a&6ter then dropped. » THE NEWTOWN Mr £ >avies then moved that the -motion, passed whereby it was decided to give XZ as-a contribution towards the support of a trained nnree to the New- town District Association be rescinded. He said he very much regretted havmg to stand up to move a re- solution of that kind as it was not .pleasant work. They were aware that at a p*e*ious*me<»tii»g a-resolu- tion qmwT4earried in a sli,p-shod mauner, without notice having been put Oft the agenda, grauting.5 to the auppoit ot a professional nuree at Newtown, borne six or eight mouths ago the question was mooted to some ut the assessment committee by two Newtown Guardians, who asked whet-her it was thoughtthe Board would support a profeesionaiimrse tor Newtown. Two or three guardians expressed the opinion that they thought it woald be. bringing in the thidedgeofthe wedge of a very large question. If the id" was admitted thepeople of Llanidloes would want a professional nurse, and other rural parishes, and hetdid not know why they .-should -cot hmeooe! It would open up a wide question, and the guardians at the assessment committee expressed themselves in that direction, but after six months had elapsed, n a busy harvest day when there were only two or three countty guardians present, thayfound the question had been brought forward and carried. He was sur- prised f that an important question should have been brought up on such a day, and without notice having been put on the agenda. There was a standing order whereby no sum of moaqy of -RAeGuld, bov.,oted with- out notice being given. Mr Davies wasmaderijtood to say something concerning Mr-Ft-ajicia, who kimiled. MrtFrancis It ia ail right.. Lknow you smile at me (laughter.) Mr Davies: £ 5 mast not be .went without notice. The Chairman: Not exceeding j £ 5. The Clerk: And that applies oojf to contracts. Mr Davies again said it opened up a wide-field, 80Dli if they looked at the favoured towsof Newbown, they woula see they gave £ 10 to the Infirmary, and now they had given X5 towards a nurse. He was under the impression that the auditor wosld not allow it to pass, aud he did not think they werojtLatifieZ in mak- ing these honourable donations out of the faisds of the worn-out ratepayers. He.had not the slightest doubt but that the guardians wocld hear same-very earnest appeals from the representatives of Newtown, but he had every coi fidence in the good sense of the guar-1 dians that they would not be carriedaway with their eloquence, which they were all aware would be brought to bear upon them. Mr .Morgan said he did net think Mr Davies was justified in stating that the.Newtown,gaardiaw had been active in canvassing, He deniee- it. in toto. Re thought Mr Davies had gone beyond tie limits. Mr Evao Powell seconded, and chanced whether it wouldibe carried. The Chairman I cannot agree with the resolution, and I rise to propose an amendment, that the original resolution be adhered to. -Ldo so for many reasons, I consider that the letter which the Board received proved that the nurse did good to the paupers resid- ing ac Newtown, and aJso to the ratepayers of the U aon. Mrs Edward Powell said that in the three or four months the nqrse had been in Newtown-she,had made no less than over 400 viats to sick people, and a great ntany of those were paupers. She saved a num- ber of these poor people a grtit amount of suffering, and I oonteud she is saving the rates; .because in some cases a nurse would have had to be.called in, and the Board would have hadto pay her. Mr Davies apoke rashly when he gave notioe of this matiotW the Chairman was unaer pressure. I beg .most .dis- tinctly to contradict that. There was no pressure brought to bear, and if there were I should xesent it, No man would kick sooner thacjJ should ifpressure were brought to bear. I considered that it was right, that we should help the philanthropic ladies of Naw-' town in their work by giving the email donation of £5, seeing the good they do for us. Mr Davies II&id the resolution was carried in a slip-shod manner. J again distmctly tlay it was not. Although notice was Dot put on the agenda it could not be helped, .and.I would ask/him if he can regulate the time wheal,cor- respondence shall come in. We have been is the habit of dealing with letters as they Jiave come in. I do not say that it was actually right, but we mote only following a precedent. Mr Davies.: Not without notice. The Chairman There never has been notice befoae. Since I have .been on the Beard when letters hatre come in applying for anything, we have dealt with the application on its receipt. Mr Davies referred flip the Intirmary for Newtown. I beg to inform him that it is not the Infirmary for Newtown, butthe Infirmary for the whole of the county—(hear, hear)—and there is much praise due to Newtown that they had courage to start such aninsititntion (hewr, hear apd applause.) It is an institntisn which it behoves us to support. It is most useful and it saves us—although we give a small contribution, a considerable araount in the long sun. People could get the beat medical advice from ,each an institution I think I am speaking the feel- ing of a large number of gnardians-althoqgh I know there are some opposed-that this professional nurse has done an immense amount of good. When we find a number of ladies taking up this matter, as in New- town, we should as a public body support them. I was sorry to hear Mr Davies say he was sorry you are getting this X5 out of the worn-out ratepayers." J hope he is not one of them. Mr Davies You get worn-out these date. Mr Win. Jones: What salary does the nurse get? The Clerk: t70 by voluntary contributions. Mr Wm. Jones; She is having plenty then (laughter.) Mr Morgan said there was a lady present who was an active member of the committee, and who could speak of the benefit the nurse was to Newtown. Miss Lloyd said she thought everybody who was acquainted with the district was of opinion that the nurse was invaluable to the suffering poor. The nurse during four months made over 500 visits. She could not say whether they were all pauper patients, but she knew they were made to all people who could not afford to pay for a nurse. The Association pro- vided bed linen.and linen for the patient if required. while the ladies took it in turns alternate months to supply any nourishment that was required. She knew also that the nurse had performed in more than one instance the last offices of the dead, thus savfng the Board's money, and she did not think X.5 could be voted to a more deserving object than to the nurse fund. Miss Lloyd then went on to give statis- tics affording ample proof of the exceedingly useful services rendered by the nurse, and from the nature of the infirmities of the afflicted poor, it was evident they were too ill to be removed to the House, and would have required a nurse to attend them in their own homes. Mr David Jones said in his village the neighbours did the wo k gratis. Mr NIl tis; An l th '7 are clow: togather in New- tow I Mr Lewis said they were agreed that the guardians were there to look after the destitute. No doubt they were all aware that it was a fault belonging to the Union that they certainly did grant too much out door relief. If the poor people had not proper rela- tives to look after them, they had a large House and a nurse paid to attend them, and where they would be well treated, It was a question which to him from that standpoint seemed grossly unjust that they should vote any of the ratepayers' money to a certain portion of the Union towards the maintenance of a professional nurse. If tier services were rendered all over the Union, he thcught there would not be much complaint, but when they were coafined to Newtown, and Llanidloes and the rural parishes were to derive no benefit but to pay towards her keep, it became a very vexed question indeed, aed they, as a public Board, should not entertain it for a moment (ap. pl-evae ) Mr Morgan said he arose with greater reluctance than ever before—that this body of gentlemen repre- senting the wealth of the county should object to the paltry gum of <85 being given in relief of the distress and nrrow of the poor. Mr David Navies: It is 4he principle. Mr Francis Shame. Mr Morgan A sorry principle, air, to deny poor starving people (hear, hear, and apphuse). A Voice Theie is a house here tor them. Mr Morgan, continuing, said objection was taken on three grounds, that advantage was taken of a busy harveot day, that there was a small number of guardians present, and, thirdly, on the score of econ-> omy. With respect to the advantage ot' a busy har- vest d*y, he denied the charge iu toto. The Board al- ways ■dealt with things as they came forward. He cnallenged Mi Davies to now prove that it was re- quired to give notice to vote that .£5. He ike Davies) could not ttud it in that book (pointing to the Poor Law), and the but-iness of the Board was carried out in accordance with the law. Referring to the statement as to the small number being present, he referred to the constitution of the House of Commons, and said one-seventeenth of 67<0 one tu- bers formed a quorum. There were eleven Guardians present out of z7, and 10 voted for the motion. Mr Meddins, of Lianicilues, was not against the move- ment, but he would not support it. He was tail of sympathy and the milk of human kindness. With respect to economy be distinctly said, taking Miss Lloyd's vertiion of the work of the nurse, and sue was an active lady &nd devoted a considerable amount of time to the relief the poor, was a saving to the rates, and at the same time was a comfort to the sick. Against all these objections which had been raised he entered his unqualified protest. Mr Davies: Disprove them. Mr Morgan replied that he had done se,<and also had challenged Mr Davies with respect to the notice upon the agenda. Continuing, he said thatiie haa seen Drs. Palmer and Purchas, of Newtown, upon tne matter. Dr. Palmer said there was not an insti- tntiun in the county to«equal it, and Dr. Purchas re- marked that there was not a better institution in Newtown. These wese the opinions of the highest authorities, and they talked about the thin end of the wedge.? The valuation of the Union wa.ø..£.113 ,000, aud they simply asked for X5, which was not equal I to one shilling per thousand. He knew one-gentle- man who opposed it, And the contribution from his parish was tiomething.like two shillings. tLAimu-i Mr David Davies: It is not the money but the field you may open. Mr Morgan appealed to the members met to give their good chairman <a smack in the twoo, by stating he was a man led by pressure. It was not-so, and ii he were not to be ttrusted with voting the glorious sum of £ &, he was not fit for the chair (hear, hear). He knew that 99 per went. of the people of Newtown —which was one-thijrd of the Union- would endorse what he had said. He-appealed to tlwuD,a.s.GQardia.ns of the poor, upon whese a liouiders rested theneriiing, the oare,and the feeding of the poor people, not to. re- scind the motion. The Chairman asked the Clerk whether it was necessary that notiae should have beenplaeed on the agenda. The Clerk replied that he did not think -it was requisite. He found certain matters were enumerated which required notice, and those which were not mentioned he assumed would not require notioe. Mr David Davies You are not sure of it? The CJj"kz Not beyond what I have said. Mr Francis said that the nurse had visited one old lady 170 times, twice daily, and also mentioned another case whioh the nurse had eonUsually visited. He said it was a great advantage <to the Union that the people had a nurse to look after them and give them souncLand practical advice on matters of nursing. If she-had not done so the Board, would have had to employ nurses in both cases, because the patients were tooilbio be removed to the Jnfirmary, aud it would coat the Board from 911 to 198 per week for a nurse. The relieving officer would corroberate him in what he was -saying, Fourteen week a. at 98 per week amounted to .£6 6a, and the Board would see that by a nurse living at Newtown what a-saving that was to the ratepayers, even in so short* time. Mr Lewis.: Nonsense, nonsense 2 (laughing). Mr Francis? I can prove it. Mr Andrews We shall have to keep our ayes on ijou (renewed laughter\ After a few more words Mr Andrews said he was glad Mr Francis had introduced a better tone into the debate. He was sorry to go against his friends at Newtown, but if tbey paid towards a nurse there Ahey would have the ,hrt people from Llanidloes on their hands. He thought they had a Btaff-of officers at the House, and it was only right under ordinary circumstances, to remove the sick there. He admired the work, but he must eppose it as the benefit,.was gqing all one way. He thought perhaps Mr Davies had been a bit too hasty in what he said, and Mr Morgan had been equally hasty in drawing him,up, but still Mr Davies had hit at the truth ^laqgh- tee). Mr Francis: lean prove my two cages. Mr Davies: Admirably, up to the hilt (laughter). Mr Andrew^ = If _you had put it at 10s per weak, you could have calculated the amount easier (lend lauashter). Mc Bennett supparted.the amendment, and pointed out hew much depended upon the nature of the nnre- ing of the patient. Very few people knew Jiow to nurse properly, and it was very important that^a ■ skilled nurse should be in the town ready to impact her knowledge to those whoatood in some need of it. Mr Powell Have they got no friends ? We have got friends. got friends. Mr JJavies said he know the ladies of Newtown were doing a great and good work, but they were strong enough to pay for it. Why should they sup- port a nurse to assist the ladies of Newtown? I opened up a large question, a gaestion too large to be' ODIWidarqd by them. Hie asserted that notiee was necessary, because it was one of the largest questions that ever, came before the JBeard. Their worthy Chairman made a remark About pressure being! brought to.,bear. He (the speaker) was not present, bat in reading the report fromthe papers he eould see that a great deal of pressure was brought on the ,cizair, and agreat deal of canning in raaking- Mr Morgan: I rise to a point of order. Is it right ,for a m-embe Mr Davies, I am speaking just Jcnow. Yon wait until I have done. -mmB«nny||| Mr Morgaq: I am rising to a point of order. Is it right for a member to say that the Chairman has beenl under pressure and used cnBNtngf I think he should be called upon to withdraw. The Chair max;; I most distinctly say you have gone too far already. ,= Mr Morgan: la Mr Davies justified in using the word running in referring to any,member of this Board? Cuunieg," that is the word. The,Chairman.- I think it ought to be withdrawn, and there was no lIlecessity for its beingTBed. I have said there was no pressure. Mr Davies: Then I'll withdraw it, Mr Chairman (hear, hear). as uajurman: men De oaretni aa to what yen say in future. Mr Lewis referred to the county infirmary at New. town, which, it had been said, was a public institu- tion, and towards which they gave RLO per year. He said it was,not a public institution, and if a pauper patient asked for admittance did he get it ? No. Mr Bennett; I say Yes." Mr Lewis;: I øay" NQ:" Further remarks passed, and on the motion .being put it was carried by a majority of three. Mr Motgan (sarcastically). I move that in fqitare we do no basiness unless there are twelve members

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