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THE LAMPETER-LL ANDILO RAILWAY Ratepayers' Meeting at Lampeter DESCRIBED AS A FARCE. A public meeting convened by the Mayor (Alderman Timothy Richards), lor the pur- pose of obtaining the opinion of the rate- payers as to the propriety of the Town Council voting £1,500 by way of loan to- wards the construction of the proposed scheme of light railway between Lampeter and Llandilo, was held at the Memorial Hall on Monday evening. Intense interest was taken in the proceedings, and the at- tendance of ratepayers was over 200. Since .the initiation of this scheme, public opinion seems to be very much divided, one section arguing that it would be the making of the town, whilst another section argues that it would be detrimental to the interests of the district generally. In view of such state of things the Council, acting upon a pro- position made by Alderman William Davies (manciple), very properly sought the opinion of the ratepayers. But Monday's proceed- ings, unfortunately, have only landed the Council in the same predicament, for the voting, legally speaking, did not reach the requisite majority. It is evident, therefore, that the Council will be. compelled to de- mand a plebiscite before they can possibly arrive at a satisfactory decision. The ques- tion is an important one; and, so far no arguments have been produced that the scheme, if carried out, will intefere with the progress of the district. On the contrary, the arguments are overwhelming in its fav- our. The Mayor, in opening the proceedings, stated, that they had assembled to consider whether the Town Council should advance £ 1,500 towards the Llandilo railway. Three years ago a deputation waited upon the Council and they then promised the amount. He had received a telegram from Mr. Drum- mond, which read as follows:—"Trust Lam- peter will adhere to its promise or anyhow postpone any adverse vote to-night till hear- ing from promoters who will attend any ad- journed meeting invited to, and will ex- plain position, otherwise scheme may be in peril." The Mayor then invited discussion. Dr. E. H. Griffiths rose to propose "that this meeting of the ratepayers of Lampeter strongly recommend the town Council to give its support to the railway, as an under- taking calculated to promote the prosperity toth of Lampeter and the district gener- ally." Dr. Griffiths said that they were agreed on two points, viz., the prosperity of the town was dear to all of them, and also not one of them c'ared to pay high rates un- less he had some equivalent in return. When he looked around he could claim that there were not many present who paid more in rates than he did, and he was willing to contribute towards the railway, because he firmly believed it would lead to prosperity, and that he would share in it. He would have to trouble them with som !figures, which were official, some of them supplied by the Town Clerk, and others by the rate collector^ The present debt of the Borough was L2,700 odd, and they could borrow an- other £ 9,400. That sum did not include the £ 1,000 they had advanced on loan towards the Aberayron Railway, nor the sum of money which they were asked to vote to- wards the Llandilo railway. If they .ad- vanced the money, the sum would have to be borrowed. The longest term of years over which the money could be borrowed could be spread was 40 years. Assuming they ) borrowed at 3j per cent., the sum of money I contributed would be £ 70 a year. A penny rate would produce £28, so if they lent the £1,500, their rates would have to be risen 2^d. in the jE. He had gone carefully over the rate-book to see how it would touch the working man. The average rateable value of the working man's houses was £ 5, eo that ,each would have to pay Is. Old. a year. It had been said that the rates pressed heavily. He found that the average arrears of rates for the last three years had only been £23, and that redounded to the credit of the town. Some said that the railway would be made in sections, 'but he had a letter from Mr. Drummond, saying that such was not a fact and that if made, it would. be built right up to Lampeter. Another argu- ment against advancing the loan was that ,there were improvements which were neces- sary, and which they could not afford. He would like to point out that in less than five years they would have paid for the first waterworks; in less than seven years for the' pavement scheme; and in ten years for the second pavement sciheme. The motiom to contribute the amount was passed two years ago. Was the Borough poorer since then ? The Borough had made in principal and in- terest L700 sinee, and when that resolution was passed they thought they were going to pay £ 1,500 towards the Aberayron Railway, but they had only paid £ 1,000. Was not that railway a benefit to the Town? Why, one man had already taken a house in the ,town, there were about 30 navvies there, and one man was making 35s. a week from lodgers, while an old lady had told him she ilad made -23, If the railway came, many of them could visit their relations and friends in the country, while many workmen employed in the country could come home easier. Many people goingi to the Wells -m,-omM save more in railway fares than they wotficl in contributing. Their only asset now in Lampeter was the College, and they "should strive to make the town a residential piace. They cou not do that without 'means of communication. He believed that they now had their opportunity, and there were many places that would be glad of it. He advised them to take hold of it and not allow it to co. He had hitherto appealed to a base motive that wa, to pelf. He would I appeal to something higher. He had read the account of a good sermon which was de- livered by the Mayor's Chaplain. He had ê8aid that the protection of a city lies not I in the strength of its walls, but in its char- acter- They had made a promise of this advance and what iof tkiielr character if they went behind the promise they had made? The speaker finished up with an eloquent appeal to the townspeople to pre- serve their good name, and advance the amount which they had once promised to- wards the railway. Dr. Walker, St. David's College, said he had great pleasure in seconding the motion, As a good many of them knew, he had taken I some small part in the promotion of the proposed railway, and he held that the construction of it would tend towards the prosperity of the town. He thought that if an obstruction was put in its way now it would be a great mistake in the interest of .the community. He had heard arguments advanced by persons whom he respected, and he oomesscd he was shaken. However, on examining the facts, he was convinced that those arguments were based on mis- takes. They had been exposed by Dr. Grif- fiths-' From the figures grWby him, they .could see that the financial reserve was not only sufficient, but ample. The amount .would not be an unproductive expenditure, but one which would tear interest. From .the figures given, which took the worse view, they would have to pay Is. Od. a year for this railway, but that was on the supposi- tion that it would not pay debenture in- terest He thought that after an interval for construction it would not be extravagant to expect it would pay on its debentures, as the Manchester and Milford Railway had done. If so, they would not then have to pay a half-penny. Another argument was that this railway stodd on a different foot- ing to the other. It brtmght them into connection with markets more powerful than theirs. The produce would go there and Lampeter market would sink. He said that if that was true it would not outweigh the other side. They would have better con- nection with the coal fields and lime kilns. Every farmer on the line would be more •prosperous, and if tVy were prosperous, a fair proportion would be spent in the shops and with the tradespeople of Lampeter. SUPPcGing Is. 0-jd. to 1I() out of the working man's nocket, and nwre from those who are more hcavilv rated, it wciild be a wise ex- penditure of public money. A strong argu- meiit ik-as that owing to the position of Lam- peter. being on the junction of the two lines it was taxed tli-if-P over by contributing to- wards the two lines. That was a strong point, but he advised them t" sink that consideration. He thought there wps a make-weight the other side, and he advised them to bear it. It could be a matter for railway on account of it. Mr. J. Joshua Davies next spoko. Illl said someone had asked him when coming to the meeting what was the reason there was more bother with the Llandilo railway than the Aberayron one. When the Aber- ayron railway came on it did not come be- fore the public with this sort of fuss. There was no doubt in his mind that Lairpctei- stood no chance for progress unless it had more railways. Lampeter would not be what it was to-day but for the railway, and he was of opinion that they should let mat- ters of this sort to their larger tradesmen. The rates paid by his class (working class) were not sufficient to oppose SLI.11 a ~clieme. He was prepared to pay the Is. Otd. in order to get it. (Hear, hear). He understood that it was only P,1,000 that was applied for, the same as the Aberayron railway. Would not ZCI,000 suffice. e The Rev. J. Rowlands (W.), who followed,' said that though but a comparative stranger to the town, he was not blind to the fact that great results might accrue from the scheme. He maintainedl that the advant- ages of the Aberayron railway would be no- thing without the extension to Llandilo. To him the line to Llandilo was going to be more than they had anticipated. it was going to do something more than they had realised; it would open up an immense coun- try, and would bring the town into closer contact with the outside Avorld. He thought Lampeter would be his place of retirement. (Applause). He liked the country and its people, and he would like to see the line an established fact. He was glad to observe that they laid such stress on the working man, and though the town had made good progress there was still room for better workmen's dwellings at more moderate rents In conclusion, Mr. Rowlands, said he would be glad to pay his quota towards the scheme. Mr. Roderick Evans, J.P., speaking in favour of the resolution, hoped they would not be too narrow-minded in deciding the question. They must bear in mind that they were simply following the footsteps of others, and were now only enjoying the bene- fits of their labours. Dealing with the fin- ancial part, Mr. Evans went on to explain lucidly in Welsh the meaning of ordinary preference and debenture shares. The latter he said were the same as a mortgage. By granting the money by way of debentures they were absolutely certain of their re- turn, the same ae Mr. Barrow with the Man- chester and Milford RailAvav. He remem- bered the first talk about the Manchester and Milford Railway, when every farmer said it would ruin the country; but, as they saw, it had proved otherwise. By helping a railway to Llandilo, they were bound to benefit themselves in the end. He firmly believed that Lampeter would become one of the best centres in South Wales if they got this railway. It had been their sole desire to get a railway through this part, and by its construction there would be com- petition if the London and North Western worked it, and as they well knew, competi- tion was healthy. They would stand in their own light if they opposed it. They would be more centralized, and lie main- tained that Lampeter would become like Shrewsbury. He did not think they would lose a penny, for even the Manchester and Milford paid its debentures. Councillor Lewis Jones rose to oppose the motion. He said he was glad to see the meeting open to the public. He believed he had clearly spoken on this topic at the Coun- cil meetings, and, therefore, they were aware of his views. He was glad to see so many present, but at the same time deplored the lack of enthusiasm displayed in ventila- ting opinions. They had had a public meet- ing in respect of the Aberayron railway, but in regard to. this scheme they had not had one. As he had already said, he regretted the lack of enthusiasm, and he feared that this meeting was a sort of a whipper up which one particular side had pressed upon its supporters to attend. If the other side was in the minority that evening he ven- tured to state that in time to come he would see that things would be more fairly ar- ranged-though they might not spring from a proper source. They would regret this meeting when the shoe began to pinch and the rates began to press. How was this meeting organised The Town Clerk had a letter from Mr. Drummond, and at the meeting of the Council everyone decided that it would be impossible to bear the bur- den, but in order to acquiesce to Mr. Drum- mond's wishes they agreed to call a meeting of the ratepayers. The letter asked the Council also to meet a deputation. Mr. Drummond came and he met them, and one thing which impressed him was that Mr. Drummkmd seemed to realise their financial position better than some members of the Council. Mr. Drummond asked them if they could not vote any sum, EI,000, or a zC,500, and in order not to throw any cold water on the project, they promised to consider the matter. He (Mr. Jones) wished them to understand that he did not in the least desire to throw any cold water. (Hear, hear). Some members of the deputation prophesied great, things—that the hills would be levelled and the valleys croAvded with villas, etc. They portrayed Lampeter much the same as the followers of William Penn did Pensylvania. Dr. Walker and Mr Roderick Evans had told them that the loan would bear interest. Mr. Drummond had only promised to pay back indirectly— through the trade—and in his (Mr. Jones') opinion it would never pay. They were told that the scheme would cost £ 200,000. Why should the promoters come to the Coun- cil for support Was the money scarce? They could get plenty of money at 3 per cent. but, added Mr. Jones, with emphasis, not one private individual would vote the money. That was why the Liglot Railway Act was passed. The reason why the pro- moters begged was because no one was ready to lend the money. He did not wish to op- pose Mr. Drummond, but he was compelled to speak in view of what the previous speakers hafi said. They now had a zig- xast communication to South Wales, and once this railway was constructed he ven- tured to submit that people who now sup- ported their marUets from Caio and else- where would journey to Llandllo, and Lam- peter would only derive support from the near side of "Ty Jem." Mr. Jones said that the burden on those who paid L10 was not heavier than on those who paid Cl. He said that the greatest surprise to him was to find that Dr. Walker had committed him- self so much that evening. He had every re- spect for Dr. Walker but it was he who had brought them into that groove. They had a lease on Capeli reservoir, and that would expire in three years. That would involve an expenditure of from £1,500 to £ 2,000. 'I Their financial position at present was over £2,900 and not £ 2,700. Dr. Griffiths (warmly): Here are the figures from the Town Clerk. I must pro- test that a member of the Town Council should address the meeting in Welsh, and it is wrong of you to speak in a language which Dr. Walker does not understand. Mr. Lewis Jones, continuing, said he fully intended to explain his remarks to Dr. Wal- er in English. In regard to their financial position he repeated that it was nearer £ 3,000. What was their rate? It was 6s. lOd. They were in debt to the sum f £3,000, and if their rate was 6s. lOd. an- other £ 12,0Q0 would land them in a rate of 28s. Capeli waterworks must be seen to, if ever before the lease expired, and what little surplus the Corporation had should be kept to meet that expenditure. With re- gard to the communication with the Wells, all he could say was a working man could qpt afford the privilege of going there. Mr Jones then dreAV attention to the Troedyr- hiAv reservoir, and pointed out that at pre- sent the main pipe was ridiculously in- adequate, being only 4m., and out of AA'hich there were no less than 56 pipes drawing water. This would have to be tackled also before long in order to meet with the grow- ing demand for water. Then there was a' still more important scheme needed to be carried out, and if they desired to know what it was they could ask him in private and he would tell them. That would in- volve an expenditure of from £ 2000 to t3OOO Addressing the meeting in English, Mr. Jones said that Dr Walker of to-day was quite a different person to the Dr. Walker of four years ago. The surrounding cir- cumstances of Lampeter had not changed now to what they were then, and inasmuch as they had not carried out any schemes they were Avorse off than what they were four years ago. "They must tackle the reser- voir" question, said Mr. Jones and the fire engine they had was only a toy which deceived I them. Then some had. talked of the need of a steam roller and crusher, and he had come to the conclusion that they could riot afford them. » Mr. D. H. Evans: Keep on the railway. Jones: I am on the raihvay. My ad- j vice is: Do your best to steer clear oi loss and debt." The Mayor thereupon invited further discussion, but as this was not forthcoming, he asked for an amendment which Mr. Lewis Jones then proposed. Mr. Tivy oones iviio had arrived late asked of the Mayor how matters then stood, but there was a general feeling among the audience that the matter should not be re- opened. Dr. Griffiths, as mover of the motion, claimed a right to reply to Mr. Lewis Jones. In so doing, Dr. Griffiths said that Mr. Lewis Jones had told them that some time ago, Dr. Walker-if he ever did so-that the reservoir would cost from £1,500 to £ 2,000. Dr. Walker said he never made such a statement. Dr. Walker left the Council three years ago, and if Mr. Lewis Jones only took the trouble to look into the figures he would find that the Corporation had paid off in interest and principal £ 300 a year, so that in little less than three years since Dr. Walker left they had paid £ 800. As to the trucking of animals they would have three chances if the railway came, be- cause they would have three different lines. They could send things quicker to South Wales through Llandilo than through Car- marthen as at present. Llancrwys people were going to Llandilo market now, and they were more likely to. come to Lampeter when the railway came. People came to Lampeter from Glamorganshire to their Christmas market, and by having a good railway their monthly market should be as good as the Christmas market. Mr. Lewis Jones said he would like plain figures, and he (Dr. Grif fiths) defied anyone to say that those figures were not correct. Was there any man there that night who could put any value on what Mr. Lewis Jones had said? What did he say! "I respect Mr. Drummond, only that I am not prepared to vote any money." Who in the last Council but Mr. Lewis Jones brought in a motion to rescind a re- solution against a public meeting. If Mr. Lewis Jones in future wants to do great things let him call a public meeting, and if he (Dr. Griffiths) was alive he would attend. In conclusion, Dr. Griffiths sarcastically re- marked that Mr. Lewis Jones must not think they were all d idiots. Mr. Tivy Jones again essayed to speak, but the Mayor ruled him out of order, say- ing it was too late to second the amend- ment. Mr. Tivy Jones: With all due respect, I say that this meeting will end in a farce. Dr Griffiths exhibiting a copy of the Coun- cil's Standing Orders supported the Mayor's ruling, and told Mr. Tivy Jones that he ought to know better having been a Mayor. Mr. Lewis Jones' amendment finding no seconder, the Mayor put Dr- Griffiths' motion but this also only got about 20 supporters. Against the motion, some 15 voted, and it Avould be safe to assume that four-fifths of the ratepayers present did not vote either way. The Mayor, however, ruled Dr. Grif- fiths' motion as carried. A CHALLENGE TO MESSRS. TIVY JONES AND LEWIS JONES. Our .representative learns from a reli- able source that a letter has teen forwarded to Mr. Tivy Jones to the effect that hear- ing that he (Mr. Tivy Jones) and Mr. Lewis Jones were dissatisfied with the result of the voting, and that if Mr. Lewis Jones resign his seat on the Town Council that Dr. Griffiths is willing to contest either Mr. Lewis Jones" or Mr. Tivy Jones on the question at issue, at a bye-election to take place any day to be fixed in the last week of January. The writer of the letter also states that he is prepared to pay the fee necessary to secure Mr. Lewis Jones's re- signation, that is, of course, if he accepts the challenge.

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