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Towyn and Ahcrdov-zy District Council. The monthly meeting o" this C»>un.-i! he id at Towyn nr. Friday last., when there were piesent: Messrs W. Jones Hughes (i-ii;i:rnnti'). E. L. Rowland:. '.wilym VrilliLim*. "/v"n • Roberts, il' -eui'a Jonc.«, J. r; v-.>ric>, J. Maethlon Jumes. Henry Evans, D. C. Davies, R. I. Morgan (s--vevor), .Or Gordon (medical officer), Edward Williams (inspector of mn.*an--es)._John ■Tones (sub-inspector), anL R. Burnett (assistant clerk). TREFEDDIAX HOTEL DRATjTAOE SCHEMA. ENGINEERS AT VARIANCE. Mr Edward Morgan, Machynlleth. and his engineer (Mr Howard Jones) again appeared he: fore the Council in regard to t-he jong-standing question of the drainage of Tret' :ddian Hotel and cottages. Mr Morgan said the cost of the scheme drawn up by Mr Junes was very sreat, V.t still he was quite prepared to undertake it, because he believed in it. In fact. it was the saine 4icileme as Mr Pickering, the expert appointed by the Council, mentioned. Mr Howard Jones said be mentioned at the com- mittee meeting at Aberdovey that he intended the sewer to work under pressure, with a head of seven feet. Mr E. L. Rowlands suggested that the reports of the Engineers should be read. so that the whole Council could understand the question. This was agreed to, and the reports were read by the Assistant Clerk. The first was that of Mr Pickering, Nuneaton. who had been specially en- gaged by the Council to advise whether Mr Mor- gan's scheme was a workable one or not. Having enumerated the various gradients of the proposed new sewer. he went on to say that it was suggested by the proprietor (Mr Morgan) that the septic tank would so liquify the sewage that it would flow along the three-quarters-of-a-roile or so of flat sewer without leaving a deposit. This, however, would not be so, as he maintained that a certain amount of suspended matter would find its way out of the tank. He pointed out that tMe effluent from a septic tank was always of a very offensive character, and it did not appear practicable to ven- tilate the sewer. The erection of two or three 'ventilating shafts as suggested by the proprietor would be useless. He had no hesitation whatever in advising the Council not to allow this sewer to be made. It would be nothing better than an elongated an.l offensive cesspool, and it was im- possible to estimate the prejudicial effect such an inn-,tatisfactory scheme as that proposed would have both as regards its real dinger to health and its objection merely from a sentimental point of view, considerations which must not be lost sight of at a watering place He was convinced that the sewer would be neither satisfactory to the Council or the proprietor of the hotel. As an alternative scheme he suggested that the sewage from the hotel should be conveyed to the existing sewer through a self- cleaning hydraulic main, and the drainage from the cottages treated separately in simple bacteria contact beds at the rear of the property, or the whole of the sewage from the hotel and cottages could be treated satisfactorily at the rear of the cottages. A copy of Mr Pickering's report had been sent to Mr Howard Jones, who had forwarded it to Messrs Common, Cameron. and Martin, the first engineers to make use of the septic tank system, asking for their observations thereon. These had been received, and Mr Jones had forwarded them to the Council. Mr Cameron, in the course of his com- munication, said that while it was true as pointed out by Mr Pickering that the effluent from the tank might contain a certain amount of suspended matter, this would be very small in amount and in a finely divided state and it was impossible that it should block the sewer or need to be removed therefrom. It was not correct that the effluent from the septic tank was always of a very offensive character. Mr Pickering doubtless based this state- ment on his experience in the Nuneaton sewage, which was reputed to be one of the foulest in England. Speaking of Mr Pickering's alternative t. scheme, Mr Cameron said such a sewer conveying crude sewage would certainly become an elongated cesspool, for the fall in the first part would be utterly ineffectual to prevent deposits in the flatter portion. In conclusion, Mr Cameron said they trusted that on reconsidering the matter, the Council would see their way to approve of Mr Jones' scheme. In reply to the foregoing observations, Mr Picker- ing said Messrs Cameron and Co. were mistaken in assuming that in the alternative scheme suggested in his report that it was proposed to convey crude sewage through a hydraulic main and, therefore, their remarks on this point were valueless. He had in his mind the liquification of the sewage before allowing it to pass into a hydraulic main. His remarks on the offensive character of the effluent from a septic tank were based upon a general ex- perience with all classes of sewage. He would point out that Messrs Cameron and Co. were the patentees of the septic tank system, and, conse- quently, their opinion could not be regarded as entirely unprejudiced. He was convinced that any experienced and independent engineer would condemn the scheme proposed, and he was equally convinced that any such scheme would not, if placed before the Local Government Board, receive their approval. With reference to Mr Howard Jones' letter, the sewer proposed by Mr Jones would not act as a hydraulic main. It was clearly shown on his drawings as a gravitating sewer. The Chairman asked what were they to do in face of this expert evidence. They were all very sorry the scheme was not approved of.—Mr Maeth- lon James: It concerns Mr Morgan more than any of us.—Mr Morgan If it is no good, I must stop it.—Mr James: Will you agree to that?—Mr Morgan: Yes, certainly.—Mr D. C. Davies: We have the power to stop it if it is a nuisance.—Mr J. M. Howell: We can bind Mr Morgan down for a couple of years and give it a good test before taking it over.—Mr James: I don't think there would be very great risk on the part of the Council in under- taking that.—Mr Howell: I don't think so. Mr Morgan binds himself to remove it any time if it becomes a nuisance.—Mr D. C. Davies said reference had been made to emptying the tank. Had they not to empty cesspools now ?-The Chairman We have no cesspools at Aberdovey.—Mr Davies You are fortunate in Aberdovey. But supposing you have to empty the tank it need only be done once a year, and then when the place is not flooded with people.—Mr James said he put it seriously to the Aberdovey people whether they did not think it better to accept this scheme now and to cut it off if it did not work properly in two years' time -Mr D. C. Davies: I think Mr Pickering has a scheme of his own.—Mr Howell Yes, it seems like it.—Mr Howard Jones said Mr Pickering bad written him a letter, which he now handed to the Assistant Clerk.—The letter was read and was to the effect that he (Mr Pickering) was sorry he could not see his way to recommend the Council to accept his (Mr Jones') gravitation sewer, as he was convinced that it would do no credit to anyone concerned. He had carefully thought out a scheme of getting the sewage to the public sewer, which he felt sure would be satisfactory to all parties if Mr Morgan cared to avail himself of his service—Mr Howell remarked that that was an impertinent letter and thought it showed a great deal of bias. -Mr Howard Jones I distinctly mentioned the sewer would work under pressure.—The Sur- veyor: You did mention it, but I don't think it would be an hydraulic sewer with only five or six feet of head.—Mr Howard Jones My sewer would have seven feet of pressure at the head of it.—Mr Morgan I am willing to work it at my own expense for three years.—Mr D. C. Davies And even if it does not work we shall not be the losers.—Mr J. M. Howell: I propose that Mr Morgan's scheme be accepted with a three years trial.—Mr Morgan said it was ruination to go on spending thousands and thousands of money, and no return whatever.—The Chairman: We qnite appreciate that, and that is why we appointed Mr Pickering to come down here. The question is, are the Aberdovey members pre- pared to accept it?—Mr D. C. Davies I think the whole Council should decide it, not the Aberdovey members.—The Chairman It is most important to Aberdovey, with all due respect to you.—Mr D ivies It has been on the tapis for two or three years, and 1 think it is time it should be settled.—Mr E. L. Rowlands I thinkyou should respect the Aberdovey members, and it is unfair for a rural member to make such remarks—Mr Davies: I tr.ink the Council should decide matters of this sort -)Ir Rowland. Still, when we have spent hours dis- cussing what is best for the place, I think we are entitled to some consideration.—Mr Davies: I think we all have a voice in the matter.—Mr Maethlon James: I think we should all do our best in the matter, and that is why I made the suggestion.— The Chairman: We are very anxious to finish it. It is very easy for you to talk here, but Mr Davies knows nothing about it ._Mr Davies: I am sorry for the knowledge of the members if they have not brought it to a head.—The Chairman If you hap- pened to be in the district, perhaps you would be a little more careful.—Mr Davies It is only a want of commonsense.—The Chairman Here we have an expert who condemns the scheme. It is very ridiculous, without looking into these things, to arrive at a decision right off. You appointed an expert at the last meeting, and in face of his report you are going to accept it,-Mr J. M. Howell: But he approves of running liquified sewage into the sewer. Mr Rowlands Should we not look at the fact that this firm of engineers have not been on the spot. while Mr Pickering,, has.—Mr Davies: Mr Pickering has a scheme of bis own. Mr Morgan: I thought you were all agreed at Aberdovey to let this thing be tried.—The Chairman :—We are; we only want to discuss it. This is the disadvantage of getting two engineers who report quite differ- antly.- -Mr Davies: What does it matter, provided Mor 't* undertakes to undo the scheme n not s;,is.a ;ry. i'. won't cost, anyihinu;.—M«SM\S Jo.m >1 XT! s ami Henry Evans were also oi opinion that ii "\lr Morgans undertook to maintain the suwor ior a number of vears, the Council wenki^be running ri>t.—Mr Morgan and Mr Howard oone< saving retired at the Chairman's request, the uiscussicn w.s further continued.—The Chairman sa:d tney I iZ\ tn.-ir own surveyor, and nv.ghMlis^n to what [ he had had to say. He wished to know rcjat- g liis opinion of the present scheme.H- replied that it might werk ainght for tniee \vai*. j The sewer, a nine inch one, woulo neav.y three- miarters of a mile long, and as u t0 with the sewage oE a population on 20d, lrnug.^ U'i'" -d! that time to fill should it become b.o?Kea at the end.—Mr Maethlon James suggested that it at the end.—Mr Maethlon James suggested that it .-Mr,Id be examined beLore ueinj taken over. — The Chairman I suppose? provision would be made to examine U.—The Surveyor There would be a few manholes here ana t aero.- ■ Mr I). C. Davie But you have been talking about solids: you don't calculate the amount of water., that would be run into the sewer.— i'he Suiveym I am calculating on everything now. A sewer with onlv five feet of head is not an hydraulic sewer; it is a gravitating sewer.—Mr J. M. HowellV oat you seem to be afraid of is the deposit m the elongated sewer. If we suggest to Mr Morgan that he orovide sufficient manholes for inspection, I am sure he would accept that.—Mr Rowlands Coe blunder of this kind would ruin the place for ever. Mr D. C. Davies Even if it is a nuisance ioi a dav it will only increase the number of residents in the little town down at the bottom. Mr Gwiljm i Williams You have not considered the question | fitlly.-M-r Howell: Do you think Mr Pickering | could suggest a better scheme than Mr Jones'.— The Surveyor: It is quite possible. There is the question of running the sewage through an 1 hvdraulic main, but, there would be a ceiiam amount of maintenance in that case. The Purveyor | added that there was no question that if Mr Jones j scheme was submitted to the Local Government i, Board it would be condemned.—Mr Rowlands | remarked that when Mr Pickering was at Aberdovey | he informed Mr Morgan and the members of the Committee that he could put before them a scheme which would cost but little and would last, not for a few years, but for ever.—Mr James But it does not speak very well for the scheme if the place he comes from is the most foul place in the country.— Mr Gwilym Williams: But these other people are interested in the septic tank system.-The Surveyor remarked that Mr Pickering was not responsible for j the Nuneaton scheme, and the place was very fiat. If the Council was inclined to accept Mr Jones scheme, be thought it would be a good thing to amend the plans so as to utilise all the water available. Although he would assist Mr Jones in making these amendments, be would not be responsible for it, neither could he attach his name to it.-Further discussion ensued, during which Mr Davies seconded the proposition that Mr Jones' scheme be accepted, and that Mr Morgan be asked to maintain the sewel for four years.—Mr Gwilym Williams: Mr Davies does not seem to be sym- pathising with us at Aberdovey.Mr Davies Its sympathy that makes me do what I do- Mr Wil- Iiams: The remarks you made were very un- courteous.—Mr Rowlands: If Mr Davies was a heavy ratepayer in Aberdovey he would have more sympathy.—Mr Davies: How are you going to in- crease the rateable value if you pass this ? Mr Rowlands Mr Davies was one who most strongly opposed an increase of the rateable value when the question of the extension of the district was under consideration.—Mr Davies said one objection he had against the Aberdovey Committee was that they thought the Council had no right to discuss Aberdovey matters. Everything passed without having been before the Council was illegal.-The Chairman: We know that very well, but very often you speak of things you know nothing about.—Mr Rowlands: And it is very aggravating to us after having discussed questions for several hours in committee.—Mr Davies: But you are not supreme. —The Chairman But we know our own affairs.- Mr Williams: We had a committee meeting on Wednesday, but Mr Howell did not attend that.— Mr Rowlands: I think it is unfair that members should come to the Council and then try to bounce the thing over.—Mr Davies We have a perfect right to discuss this, and I think it is a great in- justice to the man who has built these houses. You are stopping the progress of the place, and the only conclusiou I can come to is that you are afraid the place will develop down below and that there will be a few shops there (cries of No, no ). Well, there is no other conclusion to come to.-A resolu- tion was framed, after further discussion, that, subject to an agreement being entered into by Mr Morgan to maintain the sewer for four years after the occupation of the cottages and hotel, the Coun- cil was prepared to allow him to proceed with the construction of the drain and to take it over at the end of that period provided the drain was in a con- dition approved of by the Surveyor of the Council, the Council also, during that period, to be entitled to cut off the drain should it become a nuisance.— This resolution was put to the meeting and carried without a dissentient.—Mr Morgan and Mr Howard Jones were then readmitted to the room and, upon the resolution being read to them, Mr Morgan objected to the Surveyor being the judge as to whether the sewer would prove a nuisance or not. He had been opposed to the scheme from the first. -Mr Maethlon James: He may not be the surveyor then (laughter).—Mr Morgan said the Surveyor was prejudiced against the scheme. He would agree to the resolution if the decision was left to the satis- faction of the Council.-The Chairman: That comes to the same thing.—Mr Geufronydd Jones That is a distinction without a difference. We always abide by the decision of our Surveyor.—Mr Gwilym Williams: Will you leave it to the Aber- dovey Committee (loud laughter).—Eventually, it was agreed to amend the resolution and that the decision as to whether the sewer was a nuisance or not should be left to the Council. INSPECTOR'S REPORT. The Inspector of Nuisances reported that Tyny- fedwen, which some time ago was struck by light- ning and a hole made in the roof, bad not been re- paired. It was decided to serve 14 days' notice on Mr W. R. M. Wynne, the owner. The Inspector had visited the back premises of Plevna-terrace, where a strong stench arose from the closets. There were six houses without a visible ventilating: shaft for the whole. The closets were without flushing cisterns, nor was there any provision for flushing.—Mr Geufronydd Jones asked if the Council bad the right to call upon property owners to provide flushing tanks.—The Assistant Clerk replied that they could if the houses were without 100 yards of the main sewer.—Mr E. L. Rowlands said he believed there were scores of houses at Towyn without flushing tanks at all. In Aber- dovey there was not a single house without flush. ing tanks.—It was decided to serve notice on the owner of Plevna-terrace (Miss Jones, Bryndedwydd) calling upon her to have the nuisance removed within 28 days -On the proposition of Mr Row- lands, the question of flushing tanks was referred to the Towyn Committee with the request that a report be presented at the next meeting. TOWYN COMMITTEE This committee had resolved that thre-J more lamps be put up-one at the entrance from Nep- tune-road to recreation ground one at the junction of Neptune-road with Warwick Place road; and one at the junction of Warwick Place road with Marine Parade, this lamp post to corresnond with the other lamp posts on the Parade. It was decided to ask Capt Parry to report on the work of the Fire Brigade, and also as to the present condition of its organisation. Following a suggestion made by the Surveyor, a committee was appointed to consider the question of lbett,er flushing of sewers. The Surveyor reported that the main streets were in a dirty condition, owing to the continuous rain, and until a good and permanent scheme could be brought into operation, it was best to leave them alone.—The report was adopted. ABERDOVEY COMMITTEE. The Aberdovey Committee met on Jan. 8th, and reported having met Mr Robt.Owen, tenant of Bwlch- gwyn Farm. He informed them that be was not satisfied with the amount of repairs now about to be carried out, and that he would not give more than iE30 rent. The committee had resolved that inas- much as everything that could possibly be done had been done to meet Mr Owen, they had no alternative but to advertise the farm to be let. The plan of a slaughter-house for Mr Phillips, butcher, was approved of. subject to a few minor amendments. The members called the attention of the Surveyor to the necessity of covering and rolling portions of the main roads in the town, which were breaking up fast. It was resolved that the work be attended to. The appeal that had been made to the owners of property adjoining Bryn- dovey-road for their support in carrying out some improvements were unsuccessful, with the exception of Cfapt Lewis, who offered to contribute. Capt Lewis had volunteered to again approach the other owners with the view of securing sufficient pipes for the work. The Surveyor reported having in- spected and estimated the cost of putting Hopeland View-road into such a condition that it could be taken over, the cost being put down at about E45. The Surveyor's report had been considered by the owners interested, who considered it best not to cover the road with macadam as stipulated in the report and also pointed out that twenty-five yards of drain included in the estimate had been made that they would contribute Z30 on condition that the Council took over the road and maintained it, leaving the question of macadamising out of con- sideration. The committee resolved that they would accept £35 on the condition that the owners allowed suitable matenal to be procured from the adjoining land and that the cesspits be placed where the Surveyor considered them necessary. Capt Lewis takes the responsibility of" paying for making four cesspits to intercept the surface water, pending the settlement of the road question. The Surveyor had measured all the concreted footpaths and bad sent in bills to all the parties, the total amount being £31118. --The report was adopted. MAINTENANCE OF MAIN" j OADS. The question of the maiut:t.ce of main roads arose out of a report, prc-, by the Surveyor, who complained of the iii.UiO1 heicy of material at his command to carry out r, oairs.—Mr Rowlands th 'Ught tiiev should not s!i; their expenditure in ibis respect, and iis from the Connty C-'uncil in future years w>>i.i depend upon what t<iit at present.—Mr laelhlon James said ■'Oiti what he could gau. r the tendency of the L'.>u»ty Council was TO tala; lie roads into their own bauds, because of the disputes which continu- ally aroe -It was decided. (" allow the Surveyor to proceed as be thought tv, and to lay the stones lie had in stock where iJlr Ii needed. RURAL WARD CODIJTTEE. This committee reported, with regard to the cul- vprt by Perfetidnant, that the Surveyor had been instructed to write to Mr vrine stating that he should provide and make it drain to convey the rain water and liquid manure from the outbuildings adjoining the roads. The committee approved of ■' the site of a pump to be erected bv the owner of ji Penparc, Bryncrug. It was decided to write to Mrs ij Scott, asking her permission to remove stone from .7' the Bird Rock quarry.—The report was adopted. ij FINANCE. j Mr E. L. Rowlands report ed that the Council had f an overdraft at the bank of £ 515 16s 8d. Ihe Assistant Clerk mentioned that a considerable amount, of rates was to come in during the next fortnight. A MEMIiEli'S REMISSNESS. A breach of the byelaws by Mr Roberts, a mem- ber of the Council, in not having sent in a plan of a house built by Ibim, was again mentioned.—Mr Roberts explained his position by stating he had left the matter to the builder. Mr Morris James, who had decamped.—Tne Chairman: We have nothing to do with Morris James; you are the owner.—The Assistant Clerk said he bad sent a seven days' notice to Mr Roberts.— Mr Roberts said he had not seen it yet.—It was decided that Mr Roberts present a plan by the next meeting, and in default that proceedings be taken against him.- Mr Roberts: The house will be finished by then, and you can have a photograph of it. PRIVATE STREET WORKS ACT.. A resolution, of which Mr D. C. Davies had given notice, that the Council adopt the Private Street Works Act. was not agreed to.

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