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ABERYSTWYTH. I BOARD OF GUARDIANS.—MONDAY. j Present: Mr D Morgan (chairman), the Rev Y A j Penry, the Rev John Davies, Messrs II Hughes, I B E Morgan, T E Salmon, Richard Ed wards, Edwin Morris. Lewis Richards, Thomas Jenkins, W Morris, James Jones, E J Evans, David Lloyd, Richard Jones, Evan Richards, Daniel Morris, David Edwards, John Jones, Thomas James, Richard Davies, and T II Jones; with Mr Hugh Hughes (clerk), and Mr D Davies (assistant clerk). THE CHAIR. It was nearly 11-20 before a quorum of members was present, and it was found necessary to appoint a chairman, Mr B Ellis Morgan being voted to the chair pro. tern. BOARDING-OUT COMMITTEE. The ladies of the Boarding-ont Committee re- ported that all the children were happy, in good health, and their conduct was good. CARMARTHEN ASYLUM. The authorities atCarmarthen Asylum reported II the death at that place of Elizabeth Williams, pauper, on January 12th. MASTER'S RF.PORT. I The Master reported that there were 46 paupers in the House compared with 61 during the corres- ponding period of 1899. Daring the past fortnight 19 vagrants had been relieved as compared with 30 during the corresponding period of last year. Mrs E James, North Parade, sent a number of for the use of the inmates.—On the motion of Mr R Edwards, seconded by Mr Salmon, a vote of thanks was passed to Mss James. OUT-RELIEF. During the past two weeks the following amounts have been paid in out-relisf:—Per Mr T Vaughan, £46 7s to 157 recipients per Mr J J Hughes, £40 2s 5d to 151 recipients; per Mr Joseph Morgan, A COUNTRY MAGISTRATE'S DILEMMA. I Amongst the bills sent in were two for the hire of conveyances and doctor's certificates for the same lunatic. The Rev T A Penry explained that there was a woman residing at Bethel who was supposed to be insane. She was examined by a doctor and a certificate given. Mr Vaughan, relieving officer, procured a conveyance from Bethel to the nearest railway station and the magistrate residing there went along with him. Whilst there the relatives t and neighbours ciamoursd and implored that the woman should be left to go home and given another trial. Under the 1 circumstances the magistrate consented and the woman was allowed to return. But now the cost of the conveyance had to be paid for as well as the doctor's fee for certifying. About six weeks afterwards the woman became bad again and it was evident to all that she must be taken down. So the doctor had to go up and certify and a conveyance had to in obtained and so they would see that double the expense had been incurred in respect to this par- ticular case. There was no questien about the payment for the bills had been paid, but he thought the magistrate at this place ought to be able to make up his mind what to do before going to all this expense and not submit to the clamour of per- sons who did not understand the nature of the case and who were carried away by their feelings with- out knowledge or judgment.—Mr Salmon Was it the parents?—Rev T A Penry Xo, relatives.—Mr Salmon Cannot we make them pay the costs in- curred ?—Rev T A Penry: That is the point.—Mr W Morris Who was the magistrate'?—Rev T A Penry: Mr James, Ffynon Howe'il.—Mr B E Morgan did not think the magistrate was to blame. —Rev T A Penry There was the doctor's certifi- cate that the woman was insane.— Mr B E Morgan: Probably the magistrate certified.—Rev T A Penry Xo, he was persuaded by the people not to do so.— Mr BE Morgan The relatives ought to pay the extra cost. But if they are poor it is rather rough upon them.—Mr Vaughan (relieving officer) sa;d the people were poor and on the first day that they went the woman seemed to bo better. It was on the application of the relatives that he went to take her away in the first case.—On the motion of Mr Edwards, it was agreed to pay the bills and the Board expressed the hope that the officers would bo careful in dealing with these cases. THE INFLUENZA SCOURAGE. Mr Rd Edwards said that there was so much sickness in the district that he was afraid some of those on the books were sufferiug. He did not think they were doing as much as they might. Coulo they not give the relieving officer some power to help the sick poor to get some nourishment.—Mr Salmon presumed that tbe officers had that power in urgent cases. He would like to know if tber" were any cases of people suffering. If there were any it was the duty of Mr Edwards to inform the Board.—Mr Edwards: I don't know of any case which lean put my hand on; it is only my im- pression.—The Rev T A Penry: But that is the regular thing; it is allowed.—The Chairman also stated that this was the course usually adopted and the Clerk added that in fact the overseers could give the order in cases of urgency.—Mr Vaughan said that there were only three paupers in his district ill with influenza, ar.d they had had their relief increased during the past month. WHAT A MAX CAN LIVE ON. An old man, too ill to appear personally before the Board, applied through the Aberystwyth re- lieving officer for out-relief. Some years ago he bad been injured and had never made a proper recovery.—Mr E J Evans understood that the man was in receipt of 3s lOd per week as a pension.— The Rev T A Penry But you are not going to penalise a man for that.—Mr Salmon That's not the way to eucourage friendly societies. This old man broke his leg and it has never been set pro- perly.—Mr Hugh Hughes: Mr Bircham distinctly said on his last visit that the Guardians should not let such a fact weigh against an applicant. We ought to encourage those who help themselves.— Mr James Jones thought if the man was getting 38 lOd per week it was enough for him to live on (cries of "Oh —Mr Salmon Better send them up to Tyllwyn.—Mr Hughes You can't call that living; it is mere existence.—The case was de- ferred until the next; meeting. A HIT OF A BRKEZE. Mr R Edwards brought forward a matter which cropped up at the close of the last meeting of the Board, when Mr Penry in answer to a question by Mr E J Evans respecting certain remarks made by Mr Penry at a meeting previous to that said that he was willing to make an explanation to the Chair- man or the Clerk, and ho now desired to know if Mr Penry had forwarded that explanation so that the Board should be satisfied.— [The remark re- ferred to was one in which Mr Penry said that letters had been written interfering with the officials at the House.]—Rev T A Penry I do not know what right Mr Edwards has to call attention to the matter. There was no reporter here. I do not see what right ho has to call upon me to do anything. I made an offer and it was not accepted at the time. I am not going to renew it.—Mr E J Evans Who had the right ? Of course you said that it was not one, so I thought that I had no right to accept any offer made by you. I was given to understand outside the Board that it was Mr Edwards who was the guilty party, and I told him so. I can name the gentleman who told me; in fact he is here present to-day. I think a person in Mr Penry's position should not be allowed to make such statements without proving them or with- drawing them. I say it was Mr Edwards that Mr Penry pointed out. — Hev T A Penry I am willing to stand to everything I said at the Board meeting. You should not listen to tittle-tattle outside.—Mr E J Evans It was suggested that a member of the Board was working with the paupers and telling them not to do what the Master told them. I say I that Mr Penry ought to withdraw or to prove that Mr Edwards had been guilty of undue in- fluence — of cruelty towards the men inside The Rev T A Penry Mr Evans is drawing upon his imagination. Did I mention any member ? — Mr Evans: Yes, you said a member.—The Rev T A Penry 1 did not. I said there were persons who were doing such and such a thing. Ail I stand by is simply this—the ground upon which they base their claim. What right have these gentlemen upon the basis of what I said to demand anything of me ?—Mr Edwards I have been accused outside by certain members that I am the person who wrote letters to Mr Penry, and it is only right for me to have it cleared. The Rev T A Penry: I never said anything of the kind !— Mr Edwards: I am asking upon that ground I whether I am guilty.—The Rev T A Penry When did I say that there were letters written to me Mr E J Evans asked Mr James Jones what he had got to say.—Mr Jones Nothing !—Mr Evans Did you not tell me ori the sheet that Mr Edwards was the person ?—Mr Jones No I never told you.— Ir Evans rose and left Lis chair ia disgust, aud the members joined in a hearty laugh.—The incident then closed. TOWN COUN CIL.—TUE SDA Y. Present: Councillor C M Williams (Mayor), Councillor D C Roberts (ex-Mayor), Aldermen Peter Jones and Captain Doughton; Councillors It Peake, G Croydon Marks, E P Wynne, T E Salmon, R J Jones, J Hopkins, and R Doughton with Mr A J Hughes (town clerk), Mr C Massey (assistant clerk), Dr A Thomas (medical officer), Mr H L Evans (accountant), and Mr Rtes Jones (surveyor). FOR THE DEFENCE 07 THE COUNTRY. Lieut. W Stephens, RA., who pressed for an early reply, wrote as follows:—Sir,—With reference to previous correspondence relative to the placing i of additional guns on the Castle Grounds, I have tne honour to request you will be so good as to inform me whether the Town Council still adheres to its previous decision not to approve of the pro- posed arrangement. I am to point out that no other point exists at all suitable for the placing of the modern 9 inch guns in question, and that to be debarred from dialling with snch guns would be seriously detrimental to the thorough efficiency of this (Cardigan Artillery) regiment.— Councillor Peake moved that the letter ae handed over to the Public Works Committee. — Councillor Salmon: It is a most important application, and worthy of the consideration of the whole Council.—Alderman Doughton The Town Clerk will be able to decide that question once for all. The law states plainly that you cannot firo guns ovei a road. \Yhor:"the Promenade goes round the Castle you cannot fire over it.—Councillor Salmon I know you are opposed to it, hut this is a new Council and we must take the matter into our serious consideration.—Upon the suggestion of the Mayor it was agreed to put it on the agenda for the next meeting of the Council. THE NEW PROMENADE. In reply to a request sent in by Mr T Mortimer. Green 011 behalf of tbe Coilege autboritimJ the Public Works Committee were asked to meet the Council of the College on Friday to consider the position of the College with regard to the proposed new Promenade. MUNICIPAL OFFICERS' ASSOCIATION. A letter from this association was referred to the General Purposes Committee.—The Council agreed that the Town Clerk should be nominated as a can- didate for a seat on the Council of this body. LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOAHD INQUIRY. The Town Clerk formally notified the Council that a Local Government Board Inquiry had been held so that it would appear on the minutes.—The Mayor thought this was a good thing as previous inquiries had been overlooked.— Councillor Salmon inquired how long it would be ere they received the Board's report.—The Mayor: I hope very shortly it was urged upon the Inspector to seud a, report as soon as possible. I have every reason to believe that there will be no delay upon their part. EXTENSION OF THE MAIN SEWER. Councillor R T Jones moved and Councillor B Doughton seconded the adoption of the following report of a committee meeting of the whole Coun- cil, held on Januarv 9th The plans prepared by the borough surveyor for the extension of the main sewer were approved of, and the borough surveyor was authorised to obtain assistance for the copying and completing of tho same. The town clerk was instructed to communicate with the Local Govern- ment Board, forthwith, with a view to expediting the holding of a. public inquiry in the matter of the application for the consent of the Local Govern- ment Board to the borrowing of £2,900 for the carrying out of the extension of tho main sewer. The borough surveyor was instructed to advertise in the Contract Journal for tenders for oast-iron pipes, the same to be delivered within three months from date. The town clerk was instructed to communicate with the Board of Trade with a view to obtaining: their sanction to the laying of pipes in the harbour."—The report was adopted, the Town Clerk, in reply to Councillor Salmon, stating that the most suitable paper had been se- lected for advertising. PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE'S REPORT. Alderman Peter Jones presented the report of this committee, which stated that the Medical Officer had presented his quarterly report, and that the Council request the committee to oonsider the need of erecting an isolation hospital.—Councillor Salmon complained that the report of the Medical Offieer was not. circulated amongst the members of tho Council. Ho did not see why members of the Council, who were not members of the Publio Works Committee, should be compelled to go down to the Corporation offices in order to read the report. Ho believed that on the last occasion, that he referred to the matter the Council agreed that it should be printed on the agenda.—Dr Thomas said that the Local Government Board were willing that the annual report, should be printed, and they would accept a copy of it as their report.—Coun- cillor Marks Is there any rpason why it shoald not be made public ?—Councillor Salmon But I only ask it for the councillors themselves.—The Mayor: The report is always on the table, and the Press generally publish it pretty fully.—Coun- cillor Wynne I hope that the Public Works Committee will press upon the Inspector the need of action in respect to the troughings and downpipes.—It was agreed that the report of the medical officer should in future La p,inted.- Alderman Doughton booed that the mayor would answer Mr with respect to the pipes.—The Mayor The inspector was told that he was to take proceedings.—Councillor Salmon Is it part of his duty ?—The Mayor Yes, he understands it aB such, and we expect him to doifc thoroughly.—The Mayor also caJ1ed the attention of the Publio Works Com. mittee to the disgraceful state of the streets on the Castle grounds and the urgent need of the erection of some kind of railing. AlJ kinds of things were thrown upon the site now open, and it was dis- graceful.—Councillor Jones: Mr Wynne and I called attention to it the other day. It seems to be getting worse.—Councillor Salmon I only hope that the Public Lights Committee will take steps to light up the Castle grounds during the summer months. HARBOUR DUES. Councillor R J Jones, chairman of the Harbour Committee, moved alreport of the committee re- commending the Council to increase the due on h1ende ore from twopence to feurpence per ton. The committee also recommended that a complete revision of the dues should take place. In Septem- ber, 1885, the due upon lead ore was Is per ton, and on blende ore 6d per ton. Owing to the poor trade and the depressed condition of the markets the due on lead was rednced to sixpence and on blende to twopence. At that time blende was selling at £2 10s to £3, now lead was selling at £9 to £10 per ton and blende £7 to £,3. It was said that 6,000 tons of ore would be shipped per annum in future years, and this at twopence per ton would mean an increased revenue of £50. It was the unanimous wish of the Committee to recommend sixpence, but the Act did not permit of them going beyond the sum of fourpence. It would be no hardship to anyone because the workmen were in receipt of the same wages and lead was JE4 per ton better, which sum went into the pockets of the Company. He found that setts were charged the same due as blende ore although there was a difference in the value, whilst the difference bet ween the due on cement and blende was vary great, the dne on cement being Is 6d per ton. The £50 thus derived would be of great help to the Council.—■ Councillor Marks seconded.— Alderman Doughton was opposed to such a step. The Company referred to had just started two mines and they had spent between £20,000 and £30,000 on machinery. He pointed out that it was possible that the Company would ship their ore from Swansea for Antwerp which they could do cheaper. (Oh, no). Well he would show them. From Crosswood station (M. and M.R.) to Aber- ystwyth the rate was 2s per ton, oartage from station to harbour Is, storage 6d, loading into ship another 6d, harbour dues 4d, freight to Antwerp 9s, total 13,¡ 4d. On the other hand the Company could get it down to Swansea from Crosswood for 8s 6J per ton, dock dues 2d (if loaded at harbour d less), freight 5s 6d per ton, total 14s 2jd. The difference was lOd in favour of Aberystwyth but there would be a great deal of waste at Aberystwyth. They could not get ships to come to A beryst wy th without paying fancy prices. If they were going to increase the due they would lose it altogether. If tho Harbour Com- mittee had the line alongside the wharf made workable tho town would get the benefit of it and sixpence per ton toll. He moved that it be de- ferred.—Councillor D C Roberts said that he was not going to second the amendment because he held the stores and would not vote. He quite agreed with what had been stated by Councillor Jones, but Councillor Jonas did not seem to look at the matter in the same way as Alderman Doughton. He for his part was afraid this increase would prevent tho Company senditig the ore.—Alderman Jones believed that they were all desirous of in- creasing the revenue of the harbour, which to their sorrow had been a serious drain upon the town. But he hardly thought that it would be prudent that they should make that increase. They had had some difficulty in retaining the traffic, and now there were signs of improvement in the mining industry he thought that it would be well to defer that proposal until at any rate the line of railway was completed. If they could see that 5,000 or 6,000 tons of ore coming down they would certainly bo justified in proceeding with the railway. At present it seemed to show a wanting sympathy with the Company. He did not think that the markets bore the roseate view placed upon them by Mr Jones.—Councillor Jones I have had my figures on good authority.—Alderman Jones Blende has gone down but lead ore is steady.—Councillor Hopkins said that the price of blende was four times more than what it was when they charged 4d per ton due years ago.— Councillor Salmon supported the report of the Committee. He knew that this Mining Company had been trying to get other shipping lines to compete with tho" Countess of Lisburne Steamships Company but they were obliged to come back to Aberystwyth and they were doing justice to the ratepayers by putting on 2d more per ton. The Company were making a profit of £5 per ton and when the rate was reduced they were only making 20s per ton.—Councillor Jones said no 0118 bad greater sympathy with mining interests than be had and be would not move now in a direction to impede prosperity. Councillor Roberts had said that he took a different view to Captain Doughton, but he might say that he had had his figures npon good authority.—Councillor Roberts: I did not dis- pute the correctness of your figures.—Councillor Jones: You simply said that I did not take tho same view.—Councillor Roberts: Yes, in your remarks.— Councillor Jones I took every possible viaw of the matter. It. seems that this Company has made every effort to have this traffic sent, by some other route. Is it right now that we shouid give them an advantage? We have no need to thank them for this traffic. According to the figures of Capt Doughtot and himself it, would bo cheaper to send it through this harbour by 10-lrd per ton.—Alderman Doughton I stated that 106-d was not sufficient to cover wa¡¡tage.-Counci¡¡"r Jones contended that they were perfectly justi- fied in asking for the increase and remarked that they were now receiving £ 200 per year. less in harbour dues than they ought to be receiving. The steamer was taking 200 tons that morning, but a company making a profit of JE5 on every ton and sending 6,000 ton a year could afford £50 more for the harbour dues It was a great deal to the ratepayers of tho town to have £50 mora to come in towards the harbour fund.—In reply to Councillor Marks, Alderman Doughton said that last year 700 tons of ore was sent away.—A vote was taken when three voted for deferring it, and six in favour with the report which was carried.—The Council then went into committee to consider the plans for the new Town Hall. PETTY SESSIONS. At these sessions on Wednesday held before Messrs C M Williams (mayor). J Morgan, T Griffiths, R J Jones, and Isaac Hopkins, David Williams, boatman, was charged with having been drunk and disorderly on January 13th.-M.r W P Owen appeared for the defence.— Supt Phillips ■ I was not aware until late last night that the caso was to be contested. In that case I apply for an adjournment in order that I can summon my wit- nesses.—Mr Owen I (have been served with a summons as.far back as January 13. When the police take out a summons one assumes they aro ready to prove their case. The defendant is here and his witnesses are here. Those persons who ask for favours must pay for them.—Supt Phillips: I was not aware until eleven o'clock last night.— Mr Owen That does not matter, you ought to be pre- pared. I am perfectly ready to go into the case. I must say it is rather a novelty to ask for an adjournment. I will not say any more I strongly oppose the application.—Superintendent Phillips: I must summon my witnesses.—Mr R J Jones: You ought to be prepared with your case.— Supt Phillips: But I was not aware until this morning that the caso was to be contested.—Mr R J Jones: But I don't see why you should take that view of it.—The Mayor said that they had decided to go on with the case.—P.O. John Jenkins then stated that at 2.45 a.m. on Saturday he heard a row in Queen's Road, and found the defendant shouting, cursing and swearing, and using obscene language. Witness spoke to defendant who said that he had been drinking whisky and offered witness a glass which he said he had in the house. Afterwards the defendant went home.— For the defence John Lewis, who resided with defendant, said that on the morning in question, the defendant came in at ten o'clock, and he was left asleep on the sofa when witness went. to bed. Between two and three o'clock he heard the defendant calling out for matches and caudle. He got up and gave Williams the candle and matches. The police- constable then rushed in, and taking hold of defen- dant by the throat, demanded that he should come out. He heard the constable asking Williams to show him the life-boat, but the defendant refused. On Saturday the police-constable came with a summons, and asked witness if he was David Williams. — Cross-examined by Supt Phillips Was thsre any row in your house? No.— Now be careful in your answer.— Not that I am aware of.—Then if other witnesses come forward and say so they will tell lies ?—Mr John Morgan Ask the question and don't worry the man with these remarks. The man is on his oath. —Mr Owen said this was his case for the defence, and having regard to the evidence of Lewis he asked for a dismissal.—The Mayor said the Bench were agreed to dismiss the case in order for Supt Phillips to bring witnesses.—Mr Owen And for me.— The Mayor: Yes.—Mr R J Jones: You have had private witnesses and it is only fair to the police to have private witnesses.—Mr Owen But his case is closed and it is irregular to hear a case piecemeal. — The Mayor I do not desire an adjournment. I don't want the case adjourned.—Mr Owen I ask you to give the defendant the benefit of the doubt.—The Mayor The decision of the majority of the Bench is in favour of dismissal (applause). Personally, I entirely disagree with it.—Mr John Morgan I don't think a remark of that kind should fall from the lips of anyone in the chair.—The Mayor The chairman has a perfect right to make such remarks and it is wholly irregular and in fact unbusiness- like to make the comments you have made.—Mr John Morgan Very likely Some others are very much about the same.—-The Mayor We don't want ar:y wrangle on the Benoh.—Mr Morgan: I don't think we do; we ought to keep up dignity.—The Mayor: You don't. You should remember that you are here iu an official capacity and to keep up the dignity of the Bench and not make unnecessary comments.—Mr Morgan And you.—The incident then closed.












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