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CAERSWS BOARD OF GUARDIANS. WEDNESDAY. Present Mr R. Bennett (presiding). Miss A. M. Lloyd, the Rev T. H. Hughes, Messrs R. Price, W. Alderson, E. Lewis, R. Evans, J. Evans, T. Mills, E. P. Davies, T. E. Kinsey, W. Francis, J. Lewis (Carno), M. Davies, J. Lewia (Bettws), 11. Breeze, N. Bennett, E. Powell, D. Higgs, D. Lloyd, D. Jones, E. Jones, with the Clerk (Mr R. Williams). AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT. The Clerk read a letter from Mr Herbert Davies, thanking the Guardians for their vote of sympathy on the death of Mrs Devereux-Pryce. STATISTICS. It was reported that the amounts of out-relief distributed throughout the Union during the fort- night were as follows-Newtown district, £63 5s 6d to 234 recipients Llanidloes district, £78 4s Od to 324 recipients; Llanwnog district, £39 5s Od. Number of persons in the House 87. Vagrants relieved during the fortnight 64, against 48 during the corresponding period of last year. THE NURSE QUESTION. The Clerk said he bad written to Dr Roberts (Caersws) stating that the three months' probation for which Miss L. Morris's (the nurse) appointment was sanctioned having now expired, he wished him to report as to the manner in which she had dis- charged her duties, and his opinion as to Iier efficiency and capabilities.—Dr Roberts reported that with regard to the first point he had no com- plaint to make she had performed her duties to the verv best of her ability, and she seemed both willing and anxious to do her best. With regard to the second matter his opinion as to her efficiency and capabilities, was that he had to repeat what he reported three months ago that a nurse who had either training or previous experience was ab- solutely necessary to cope with sudden emergencies which might require immediate action before medical help could arrive, also to afford experienced aid in confinement cases. With the aid of a trained or experienced nurse Miss Morris would be very capable and efficient, and he would strongly recom- mend that her services as well as those of an ex- perienced nurse be secured.—The Clerk observed that the Local Government Board wished a report on the efficiency of the nnrse. They bad objected to her appointment in the first instance because she had not been trained, but they had consented to the three months' probation, subject to a report being presented.—Mr J. Lewis (Bettws) objected to a trained nurse, they had had a great deal of experience in nurses and had found that those who were not trained were the best officials.The Chairman You may depend upon it, we shall have Mr Bircham down upon us.—A member under- stood that the nnrse was taking lessons at the Infirmary, that should be reported to the Local Governmeut Board.—The Chairman: That will not meet it.—The Clerk said the lessons only applied to accidents. It was only experience in confinement cases as well that the Local Govern- ment Board would sanction an appointment.—Mr J Lewis then spoke of efficiency with economy," which, he alleged, he had always advocated.—The Rev T H Hughes said nothing could be stronger than Dr Roberts' letter, and they really had no moral right to refuse its consideration. He had always advocated economy, but the Board, or at least certain members of the Board, were in the habit of looking at the penurious side of every question, and they must bear in mind that they were not only Guardians of the ratepayers' money but of the poor (hear, hear). He had no doubt that the appointment of such nurses was only a question of time, and unless he was much mistaken the Local Government Board would perform the duty which they (the Board) had neglected. It was expense that must be incurred, and, as the doctor was the most competent man to judge, he held that it was their most solemn duty to abide by the doctor's suggestion.—After further discus- sion, Mr John Lewis moved that, having made en- quiries with regard to the efficiency of the nurse in this House during the last three months, we think that the work has been done most efficiently to the entire satisfaction of the Board, and that during the last three months more cases have occurred than in any known period, and have been attended to without a complaint.—Mr E. Lewis seconded.—The Rev. T. H. Hughes said he had just had a chat with the Matron, and he had reason to modify his recent attitude. The Matron had told him tha she her- self was a trained nurse and had considerable ex- perience. He bad asked whether there was any need that a nurse should be trained and whether the doctor wap fully justified in his remarks, and she bad replied, No, there was no need for one (hear, hear). There were many inconveniences arising from the appointment of a trained nurse, who would probably confine herself to" her duties, which might be very light indeed for years. That had considerable weight with him, and be would support Mr Lewis.—Miss Lloyd: I do not think the Matron is trained, but she has had ex- perience.—The proposition was then carried. THE INDUSTRIAL TRAINER QUESTION. MORE ECONOMY. The consideration of Miss Lloyd's motion to appoint a suitable person to take charge of the children in the Workhouse and to undertake the plain sewing, which was adjourned from the last meeting, was resumed.—Miss Lloyd, in supporting her motion, recapitulated the facts which appeared In the County Times on the 5th February. She added that it was most necessary for the morals of the children who would be the men and women of the future that they should be trained in a right and proper way (hear, hear).—In answer to questions by Mr J. Lewis (Bettws), Miss Lloyd said there were 25 children in the House, of whom eight were babies. Out of the remaining 17, 14 attended school. — Mr D. Jones (Dolfor) said he quite agreed with Miss Llovd. The next moment he said he was Sorry to go against her.— Mr R. Evans was sorry to oppose Miss Lloyd but thought it would be consis- tent to maintain economy with efficiency. To be consistent they should keep their eye on the expense, but he was sorry to say that there were certain members—he would not say who—who did not keep their eye upon the expense they ignored that question altogether. But the Guardians should remember they were representing the ratepayers as well as the poor, and be certainly for one would not exercise economy at the expense of efficiency, but when they could keep up efficiency with economy they should go in for it. He could not see the necessity of creating another official there, the work was now done to the satisfaction of everyone. Mr John Lewis (Bettws) delivered a long speech on the subject, at the outset of which he taid it was not wise to waste so much time over the matter. Everyone gave Miss Lloyd credit for purity of motive, and he had no hesitation in saying that her motives were really good ones. But had she looked on the question from more than one standpoint ? He was afraid not. Were the morals of the children going to be the means of heaping up officer after officer? They thought not. They considered that now they had a most suitable person in the nurse, and they could not do better than leave them under her care. It was argued that the nurse's time was fully employed, but they had persons in that House whose time was not fully employed, and these could go to her assistance when necessary. Why was it necessary to create a new officer ? He had seen the children in the House, and he would say before the Board and the reporters—(here Mr Lewis looked full at the latter and dropped into a very solemn tone)—that they had delighted him very much, they were well clothed, well fed, and well cared for, and his wish-ayhis humble wish- was that all the children of the district were as well looked after as the children of that House. He went about the Union a great deal and he saw little children barefooted, bareheaded and half starved, and did they (the Board) not think that it was a pity to rob those little children and heap it upon the well cared children of the House. Let them all have economy with efficiency. They Were at that time going out of office and what would their successors say if they were to leave them such a legacy as that. The new Board Would have to make the superannuation. There was one thing he would like to mention and that Was to say that they already had an industrial trainer in the House. He felt bound to go against Miss Lloyd's motion.—Miss Lloyd said she did not ask for a permanent appointment, only that an official should be appointed temporarily to see how she would act.—The Chairman (to Mr Lewis) Who do you say we have as an industrial trainer P- Mr Lewis: The porter.—Mr Kinsey asked what Mr Bircham had said in regard to the appointment. ■ The Clerk replied that Mr Bircham was in favour of an industrial trainer.—Mr Lewis then engaged the attention of the Guardians for some time upon the action of the Local Government Board in regard to the payment of the industrial trainer. He graphically described how the Local Government Board would order the County Council to pay half the salary, and the latter would come down upon the overseers who would make a precept, and the Collectors would then take the money from them, the farmers and ratepayers. He ridiculed the idea that the Local Government Board Would pay it, it would come oat of the rates.—Mr Francis said Miss Lloyd should have carried her motion at the last meeting. The leader of the opposition (Mr Lewis) was up, and the Board would follow him like sheep (laughter). Mr Lewis: I must ask Mr Francis to withdraw that.—Mr Francis consented to do so.—The Rev. T. H. Hughes The remark made by Mr Francis is per- fectly true. I fully agree with Miss Lloyi in her proposition to create another post here, but at the same time I am of opiuion that the mere mention of such a suggestion is like a red rag to a bull (laughter). In agreeing with Miss Lloyd I feel a doubt as to whether there is a real urgency for such an official. It is a very serious and a very important proposal, a proposal which all of them should feel it incumbent upon themselves to regard, not only from a high moral point of view, but from a ratepayer's point of view (hear, hear). The proposal, if he understood it rightly, was that a person should be appointed to take charge of the children out of their school hours. Now, when they return from school they are allowed to roam about at their own sweet will and to mix with old men and women, from whom they will learn no good, and see what they ought not to see. He believed in most Unions—Cardiff, for example—the children were cared for in this way. The boys, after school hours, betake themselves to various departments, where they are instructed in carpen- tering, shoemaking, and other common arts of life. The girls are trained in the way suggested by Miss Lloyd. If they had a very large number of children always in the House, unquestionably they should have to engage a person to take charge of them, and he felt they should be doing a very generous thing by adopting Miss Lloyd's suggestion, and it might in the long run turn out to be a saving to the ratepayers' pockets (hear, hear). From an economical, from a religious, and from a moral point of view the better they are trained the more likely will they become useful members of society. If left to roam about, when they start life for themselves they will know nothing, and, conse- quently they are thrown upon the world without being fully, equipped for its dangers and temptations, and the result is that they would come back with their characters ruined. Although they were upon the eve of another election he did not at all wind supporting such a worthy proposition as this, and the ratepayers, he was sure, would support him. He would rather not sit upon a Board that would not do its duty to the children and the poor, and he ventured to say that they were not doing their duty if they did not put these children upon a sure foundation to fight the battle of life.—Mr J. Lewis (Bettws) gotap to make another speech when the Rev T. H. Hughes rose to a point of order. Mr Lewis had already spoken twice, and he had often wished to call attention to the fact that a great deal of time was wasted at that meeting in not adhering to the rules of debate. It would conduce to expediency in the trasaction of the business by not allowing certain persons to speak more than once. — Mr Lewis: I have the right to reply I-The Chairman: Order, Mr Lewis.—Mr Lewis I wiQh to say that all Mr Hughes has said is conjecture and The Chair- man Order, order.—The Rev T. H. Hughes then seconded Miss Lloyd's proposition, and the Chair- man supported.—Messrs E. P. Davies, T. E. Kinsey, N. Bennett, and E. Powell having spoken, Mr E. Jones supported the motion and urged upon the members a sense of their duty as Guardians of the poor.—Messrs E. P. Davies and R. Evans again spoke, which elicited a remark from the Rev T. H. Hughes Oh, these explanations !"—The motion was then put and lost, 8 voting in its favour and 14 against.—Mr W. Francis: Didn't I tell you what the result would be ?—Mr D. Lloyd objected to Mr Francis casting aspersions upon them they had a right to their vote. He asked Mr Francis to with- draw.—Mr Francis: Oh, I will withdraw again (laughter). MISCELLANEOUS. The Clerk read an order from the Local Govern- ment Board authorising the payment of expenses of paupers visiting their relations if the Guardians thought fit.

CAERSWS RURAL DISTRICT COUNCIL.

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