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INCREASING COUNTY EXPENDITURE.

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INCREASING COUNTY EXPENDITURE. COLWYN BAY AND THE BATING BASIS. MAINTENANCE OF MAIN ROADS. (From Our Own Reporter.) The quarterly meeting of the Denbighshire County Cuuncil was held on Friday at Iiuthin. There were pre.ent :-Mr A. 0. Evans (chair- fnan), Mr W. E. Samuel (vice-chairman), Messrs Go. Cromar, Edward Roberts, Griffith Jones, (Christmas Jones, J. Wiicoxon, Ed. Allen, T. Rogers Jones, Evan Roberts, J. M. Porter, Godfrey Fitzhugh, J. T. Millward, J. Stephen iJones, Bennett Jones, Robert Jones, E. Sey- mour Jones, D. Mac. Niooll, Geo. Bevan, J. D. STones (Bodoryn), D. Owain Williams, J. D. priffitih, Boaz Jones, John Roberts, Thos. Jonea, JIenry Williams, Gomer Roberts, E. W. Tho- mas, J. D. Jonea (Dinmael), R. A. Jones, J. W. Evans, Edward Hughes, Hugh Hughes, W. J. (Williams, J. R. Williams, E. Lloyd Jones, R. iW. Parry, Trevor Lloyd Jones, R. Myddleton (Chirk Castle), W. G. Dodd, Robert Ellis, E. W. Roberts, John Hughes, Col. Cornwallis West, Col. Mainwaring, Dr. J. ftledwyn Hughes, Dr Dd. Lloyd, with the clerk (Mr W. R. Evans), the deputy-clerk (Mr John Roberts), the county accountant (Mr R. Hum- phreys Roberts), the county architect (Mr W. D. Wiles), the treasurer (Mr Guy Conran), the Jroad surveyors (Messrs R. B. Adams and Ellis SV- Jones), the inspectors of weights and mea- sures (Messrs J. Clarke Jones and Noah Price), and the Chief Constable (Major Leadbetter). OLD-AGE PENSIONS. Prior to the meeting of the CounOy council tihe members dealt with the report of the Old- Age Pension Committee, and in reply to Mr Ed. Roberts, the Clerk stated that the salaries of the clerks to Che sub-committees would be paid !Age Pension Committee, and in reply to Mr Ed. Roberts, the Clerk stated that the salaries of the clerks to the sub-committees would be paid direct from -the Treasury. He had also to re- I port that he had been asked whether pensioners were bound to attend before a pension ofiiosr for the purposes of giving information, and "whether it was right for such official to require pensioners to attend at public houses in order to g'ive informabioil Or to receive their pension books. His reply was that a pension officer was supposed to wait on the pensioners at their re- sidence, and that it was not right to ask them to attend at public houses. THE WORDING OF A MINUTE. Mr J. M. Porter raised a question as to whether it was correct to insert in the minutes a remark to the effect that "eight only voted for the amend- ment'' in a matter before the last meeting. His idea was that if any figures were given they should be without comment. The Clork explained that in the case of a division where there was a large majority it was pot usual to give the larger number. s Mr Porter said he objected to the word "only," as there was nothing- to indicate how many were present, and it might be that the eight were the only wise men, or else that they were very foolish. It was agreed to strike out; the word "only." MAINTENANCE OF MAIN ROADS. INCREASING EXPENDITURE. THE MERIONETHSHIRE ROADS PRAISED. Mr Samuels moved the adoption of the report Ji the Wrexham Main Roads Committee. Mr Porter asked that there should be an uni- form charge made for telephone poles, which .were a great obstruction and nothing else. The Clerk said there was a unform rental throughout the county. Mr Gomer Roberts said he was very interested in the report which the Wrexham Surveyor had prepared as to the cost of the main roads. It was as follows:—"I thought it would interest the committee to know what the cost of main road maintenance throughout England and Wales was for the year ending the 31st March, 1906 (this being the last return issued). The total amount spent for the year was £2,529,137 on 27,556 miles of main roads; 4100 miles were %irban roads, and 23,456 rural roads. The aver- age cost of rural roads was J675 per mile, and t"n(- average DO at of urban main roads amounted to £ 226 per mile. The most costly roads were those of Middlesex, viz., J5556 per mile; and the least costly those of Merionethshire, viz., JE18 per mile. The. cost to the Welsh County Coun- cils for road maintenance per mile is as fol- lows :(x'larnorgan, 2202; Carmarthen, £ 56; Anglesey, £ 55; Pembroke, 253; Flintshire, £ 53; Denbigh, £ 53; Carnarvon, £ 42; Brecon, £ 37; Montgomery, £ 37; Cardigan, £ 28; Radnor, £ 27; Merioneth, £ 18; Monmouth, £104. The aver- age cost in Wales amounts to 259. The Shropshire roads cost E47 per mile, and Cheshire roads, £107. The average width of main roads in different counties varies very considerably, consequently, a comparison of the cost per mile is somewhat misleading. It would be a much fairer comparison, should the figures be avail- able, to give the cost per square yard- The cost of main roads in the Denbigh district amounts to 247 per mile, and the cost in the Wrexham district amounts to 259 per mile. The average width of main roads in the Denbigh dis- trict is considerably narrower than those in the iWrexham district. Mr Roberts eaid he could accept much that was in the report, but he did not agree with the latter port-ion (laughter)- They all realised that the cost of the upkeep of main roads was in- creasing year by year, and it would be seen by the report that the cost differed in several counties. What struck him as being singular was that. there should be such a vast difference between the cost of repairing the roads in Den- bighshire. and the cost in Merionethshire, where the work was done by contract. He (lid not say tlat it would be possible to bring the cost down from £ 53 to E13, but he did think it was a mat- ter to which they should give serious considera- tion. The report was worth considering. He was bound to say that he considered that the roads in Merionetb&bire were in very good order, and it was evident that the contract work was satisfactory, as the county had now entered into a three years' contract for the third time. As to their say that the roads were more nar- row, he would point out that a large portion of the Holyhead main road pas.9ed through Mer- ionethshire. He asked the Council to go into jBbe matter to see whether anything could be done to reduoe the cost of the Denbighshire roads. Mr J. S. Jones said he would like to know bow many yards of the Merionethshire roads Were steam rolled. Mr Gomer Roberts replied that every yard Was steam rolled. Mr J. S. Jones said that in that case the fluestion of con la-acting- was worth considering. Mr Cromar replied tihat he did not think there (Was really any comparison between the traffic oyer the Merionethshire roads and those of either Denbighshire or Flintshire- In fact there svaa scarcely a mile of main roads in those two counties which did not carry a great deal of beavy traffic. Mr Seymour Jones added that there were miles of roads in Merionethshire which had not been repaired for years, and were practioally Misused roads- Mr J. S. Jones: Then what Mr Gomer Ro- berts said as to every yard being steam-rolled is pot accurate (laughter). Mr Thomas complained that the Wrexham Committee had added £ 10 to the salary of tihe purveyor, and he protested against it. Mr Samls said it was to cover out-of-pocket expenses on work which was said to be worth I-,000, and it had been carried out by their own staff. It was money well earned (hear, hear). The report was then adopted. THE DEE BRIDGE AT LLANGOLLEN. Replies were received from the G.W.R. and the Llangollen Council as to their contributing to the cost of improving this bridge. The G.W.R. said they could not contribute other than through the rates, while Llangollen Coun- cil said they were now paying a fair share of the county expense. It was sudge-ited that there should be a new bridge built so that the old bridge might be pre- served, but the whole matter was referred to the Wrexham Main Roads Committee. INCREASE IN MOTOR TRAFFIC. It was reported that during the past three years the increases in the motor traffic in the North Wales counties was as followsVehicles registered: Anglesey, 51; Carnarvon, 106; Den- bigh, 155; Flintshire, 117; Merionethshire, 89. DECREASE OF SHEEP SCAB IN WESTERN DENBIGHSHIRE. Mr Jno. Roberta said he was pleased to say Vi&t h.re WM only scab on three farms, as 44 against 25 farms last quarter, and for the firit time they had less scab in the WVstern portion than in the Eastern part. While the Western district was getting' rid of the scab, it was in- creasing in the other part. POLICING OF LLYSFAEN AND M AEN AN- It was explained that the Standing Joint Com- I mittee had refused to agree to police Llysfaen and M ae n an for Carnarvonshire unless those parishes were transferred to Denbighshire for the purposes of the Diseases of Animals Act. A reply had been reeeivd from Carnarvonshire to the effect that the matter -,vould oriie be- fore their committee next month. The tempo- rary arrangement ended on January 31st, but the Chief Constable had undertaken to carry out the police arrangements until that meeting. Mr Gomer Roberts said it was essential that they should take a firm stand in the matter, and I the only way they could compel Carnarvonshire to take a sensible view was to bring matters to a deadlock. He understood that unless the mat- ter was settled at once they would no longer ponce those places. 0 It was decided to support the recommendation of the committee, and unless their terms are agreed to, Denbighshire will not police the places named. SALE OF FOOD AND DRUGS ACT. The Chief Constable having asked for the police to be relieved of their duties under this Act it was suggested that the matter be referred to tho Weights and Measure-s Committee. This was agreed to, Colonel Cornwallis West urging that someone should take up the matter at once, as it was of great importance. WESTERN DENBIGHSHIRE ROADS. Mr Gomer Roberts presented the report of the Main Roads Committee for the Denbigh (Western) District. He sad he was sorry to say that there was increased expenditure, but it was satisfactory to note that it was only JE166 as against J3689 in the Wrexham district (laughter and applause). That was not a very favourable comparison—for Wrexham (laughter). He would also point out that while they were able to steam roll at about 4,5d. per superficial yard in Wrexham the cost had been 5d 6-8th. All along the line they in Western Denbighshire had been able to do the work for about Id per yard less. Mr Samuels: Are your measurements correct (laughter)? Mr Gomer Roberts said he was sure they were. He wished also to point out that the committee had not been appointed to go into the tenders for carting, and he moved that the report be adopted, and also that the committee be ap- pointed. Mr Porter seconded- Mr Samuels pointed out that in Western Den- bighshire the Council owned the quarries, where- as in the Eastern end they had to buy all their stone. Mr Seymour Jones added that in some cases in West Denbighshire one-third of a cwt. less stone per yard was laid down than in East Den- bighshire (laughter). Mr Johtp Roberts said it was not true they owned the quarries. They had to buy a large quantity of stone. Mr Samuejs: We have none. Mr Boaz Jones was delighted to find there were critics on the Council who could take into account the minutest details. It was well for the ratepayers (laughter). Mr Dodd said the explanation of the increased cost was that labour was dearer in Wrexharry than in Denbigh. Mr Cromar suggested that the only way to settle the matter was to have the roads inde- pendently measured. It was decided to appoint a sub-committee to tro into the tenders for carting, and Mr J. D. Jons (Bodoryn) was added to the existing com- mittee. A CLAIM BY COLWYN BAY COUNCIL. SUGGESTED ARUITRAliON. The following appeared in the report of the Denbigh Mam iloaus Comimu-ee:—'Read—The following letter from the Urban Council, dated tne 6th January:—1 trust you will be able to ob- tain for us from the county the cheque for tlie balance of amount due on the main roads ac- count for the year ended March, 19Utf. The Coun- cil feel that it is a very great hardship that* this Council should be compeued to wait all this time for a settlement i this account, and they venture to hope, in view of the large contribu- tion from this district, that some stops will be taken to close these accounts before they are twelve months overdue. As you know full and careful investigation has been made on behalf I of the County Council, and, if I may so respect- fully, it appears to me that the Council might now close the matter.' Mr George Bevan moved, Mr Edward Allen seconded, that the County Council be recommended to offer L320 in fui4 satisfaction and. discharge of the balance of the claim for the year ended 31st March last, but this was defeated by eight votes against four. Mr Evan Roberts then moved, Mr VV. J. Wil- liams seconded, that the sum of £ 273 14s 9d be offered, without prejudice, in satisfaction of the claim- Seven members voting for and seven members voting against this proposal, and the Chairman having given his casting vote in favour of proposal, it was resolved that the County Council be recommended to offer to the Urban District Council of Colwyn Bay, without pre- judice, the sum of J6275 143 9d, in full satisfac- tion and discharge of the balance of their claim for the maintenance, etc., of the main roads for the year ended 31st March, 1908, such sum, to- gether with £1000 already paid on account being the amount allowed by the county accountant. Resolved also that the committee appointed be dissolved, and the resolution appointing it rescinded." Mr Edward Roberts said he noticed that al- though Colwyn Bay had but 4 miles of roads the sum of JB500 per mile was allowed, while Wrex- ham only had J6175 per mile. Already £1000 had been paid to Colwyn Bay on account, and yet it was propoaed to pay another £ 320 in full satis- faction of all claims. The amendment proposed was to pay £273, and the Chairman of the Committee (Mr Gomer Roberts) gave his cast- ing vote for it. Mr Gomer Roberts: Yes, for the £ 273 without prejudice. He added that he was glad the mat- ter had been brought forward, as it had been before them for a long time, and they had tried to come to terms.The view taken by the com- mittee was that JM50 would be ample for Colwyn Bay as regards their bill of £1900, but this Colwyn Bay refused to aooept, although they came down to 91330. It seemed that he, as chairman of the committee, was between the devil and the deep sea (laughter). Mr John Roberts: And who was the devil (laughter) ? (laughter) ? Mr Wilcoxson: Colwyn Bay, of course (laugh. ter), Mr Porter: And who was the deep eea (laugh- ter)? Mr Gomer Roberts: You know who the deep sea is, as you asked for B1900 for repairing 41 miles of road (laughter). Mr Porter: Well, then, let us know who the others are (laughter)? Mr Gomer Roberts said he hoped they would have pity on a poor chairman of a committee, as- he tried to do his best, and he thought it better to settle for 91200 than to go to arbitration, which Colwyn Bay was determined to do. Ho thought they had better divide the difference, but he would point out that he did not Agree with paying Colwyn Bay so much, as Llangollen had reduced their bill from JE;528 one year to £407, and he congratulated them (applause). Let them remember that Colwyn Bay had not all the traffic of the county, as Llangollen had a great deal. Mr Parry: And we have a bridge. Mr Gomer Roberts said it was a great thing to find one district reducing its expenditure on. main roads by £121. Mr Seymour Jones: Don't forget it is the Wrex- ham end (inlighter). Mr John Roberts proposed, a.mid cries of "It's carried," to delete the recommendation, as he thought they had paid Colwyn Bay quite enough, and surely £1000 for four miles was ample- Sr-me time ago Mr Gomer Roberts was II deputation with others to try and do something to settle the dispute with Col- wyn Bay, and with the full knowledge of the fact that £ 900 was considered to boo sufficient for the claim of £ im it was a pu?zle to him to know how Mr Go Roberts could give a casting vote for £ 1273. Mr Gomer Roberts said he had explained the matter, and he gave his casting vote as the lesser of two evils, as Colwyn Bay would certainly go to arbitration on the matter if they did not settle. He agreed with Mr Roberts that it was hard to pay such A. sumbut be did it for the best. Mr .John Roberts ftij he felt that sooner or later they would have to go to arbitration on the matter, and he would call attention to the pub- lic statement, of accounts from Colwyn- Bay. In that town, in 1906 they were paid £ 1326 for 4g miles of main roads, and yet their own 55 miles of district roads only coat the town 913,2. Thet case was similar last year when the main roads were put down at £ 1549- 3"!1d the district roads £ 1821. It was a question of what was fair. He believed that they could maintain 4 mile? for a great d?al less than they proposed to pay now. He moved to strike out the reference to Colwyn Bay.

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