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COLWYN BAY URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL. Pier Company and the Town Advertising Association. A Lively Discussion. Council Support the Association. The Light Railway Extension. Mr D. 0. Wiliiame presided over the monthly meeting of this Council on Tuesday. There were aifo present: Rev William Hughes, Messrs J. Williams, Jos. Dicken, Hugh K-vans, Hugh Hughes, Geo. Bevan, Hugh Davies, E. li. Davies, Wm. Horton, T. Hopkins, Chas. Reynolds., J. Jones, Biies HiP, Edward Allen, D. Gamble, Lbrigand Lowe, with Solicitor Clerk (Mr James Amphlett), the Deputy Clerk and Accountant (Mr Jce. H. Roberts), the En- gineer (Mr Wiliiam Jones, M.inst.G.E.), the Sanitary Inspector (Mi* W. Henry Jones), and the Collector (Mr Lewis Jones). CONDOLENCE. On the motion. of the Chairman, a vote of condolence wae passed with Mr D. Gamble upon the death of hie brother. Sir Christopher Gamble. lr: Gamble gratefully acknowledged. SCARCITY OF LAND FOR ALLOTMENTS. It was reported by tho Allotments Com- mittee that there had been no response to the advertisement inviting offers of land for the purpose of allotments. Various siees had been mentioned, and it was ultimate'y recoived to depute Mr 1). Gamble and the Chairman, a(- conipaiued by Mr John Owen, to call on Mr J. M. Porter, agent to the Colwyn Bay and Pwllyceoohan Estate Co., with the view to ii"a assistance in tho matter, and that Mr John Jones and Mr Hugh Davies be deputed to also approach Mr D. AiacXicol, 0 d Colwyn, agent to the Coed Coch Estate, and report. Mr G. Bevan asked who: her thero ivvas now any chance of getting any allotments. Mr C. Reynolds (Chairman of tho Commit- tee) They are rather like a good many other chances—they ciecede a3 you approach (laugh- ter). We asked all the applicants for land to attend a meeting the other night so that we might judge of jtheir suit ability. Meet of them are day gardeners, and the bulk of them appear to be very suitable people. We have only had two pieces of land offered, a pot belonging to Mrs Crosfield, Bryn Eit-hyn. where the old Nant stood, and the other was a portion of tho garden at Oaka.moor, which will suit one or two pcopi.e very -wel!. We saw Mr MacNioc'.l. in Iwhom we had tome hepo, but. he says he can do nothing for us. He has no land at nil suitable. The land in the Nanty glyn Val'ey appears to be rather difficult to touch. Mr loiter, at an interview, said he would, to ablo to fit us up with something to go with, but wo have not seen him sincc. We shall want about eight acres. I thought, of writing to Sir John Barlow asking if we could have come la.nd that, would be euitable foe the purpose in front of his house— (daughter), — as he probably was a supporter of the Bill (laugh- ter). I do not know whether we shall make anything out of that or not (laughter). I do not, know why you should laugh when I make a remark like that (renewed laughter). We cannot get land so easily as we thought, but still, we may do better latev on. THE WATER SUPPLY. It was reported that, the eupply of water during tho month was fairly satisfactory. TJ.C portions of the district situate in and above Hillside Road had with the he'p of the high level reservoir practically a constant sup- ply up to the 27th ult., but the height of water in the reservoir had been so reduced that the supply therefrom had been discontinued. The Sanitary Committee reported that several complaints had been received from residents in the vicinity of the Queen's Hotel, C-olwyn, owing to the lack of water, and in view of this Mr T. B. Farrington, engineer to the Joint Board, who v.as (present, at. the committee meeting by request, discussed tho twaya and means of giving a satisfactory supply. It was reported that tho assistance from the Llysfaen Reservoir had been discontinued as the reflux valve on the main near Voryn ha had again been fixed. It was resolved that- the Clerk again ad- dress a. communication to the Joint Board urg- ing the necessity of steps being taken to im- prov-3 the suppy. In reply to Mr fXi-s Hill,, the Engineer aid the water used by the various departments of tho Council was not measured. Mi" Bliss Hill: Some of tho ratepayers seem to think that we are wasting a, good deal of water ourse'ves, and wo should certainly be above suspicion. I would, therefore, sugares'- thai meters be fixed to safeguard ourselves on the matter No action was however taken. A WRIT AGAINST THE COUNCIL The committee reported the receipt of a letter from Ni-i, W. HOT ten, on the 26; h Septem- her. concerning the question of the drainage of surface water from land in the vicinity of Tramway Avenue, and enclosing a writ against tho Council in the matter. The plaintiff s claim having been read, it was resolved that the papers 'he handed to the Council's Solicitors with instructions to de- fend. The Clerk, in reply to Mr Lowe,said there had been certain alterations in the sewerage system at R-hos. The question came up whether Mr Horton should be allowed to discharge certain surface !waJer into the Council's sewer. He had been under the impression that the point had been settled in an agreement entered into between the Council and Mr Hccton. How- ever, a writ, had now been served on the Coun- cil bv Mr Harton. Mr Dicicen: We were told at the last Coun- cil meeting or tho meeting before that, that a settlement had been effected. The Clerk The difficulty now is, I under- sa11d, with regard to the coet of testing the sewers, but I think this matter should bo further discussed in public. The subject then dropped. PUBLIC FOOTPATHS. Tho Surveyor reported that three bow gates had been fixed near Casteli on the path leading to Bronyna.nt; below Penywaen at entrance to path leading to Hafotty and by Penybrvn Ucha at entra.nce to path leading to Llwyd. goed Isa. Ho was further instructed to'fix prates and generally improve the ancient path, leading from Geed Teg to the Llanrwst Road, at a cost of £ 8 5s. It was roso-ved to invite tenders for the for- mation of the footpath along the main road be- tween Wynijsta-y 'Road and Queen's Road, Old Oolwvn. THE COUNCIL'S REMARKABLE HORSE. Referring to the road foreman's report, Mr G. Bevan said he thought there was a tendency to increase the expenses on tho Promenade. He noticed that nine extra men had been re- cently engaged for two days in clearing shingle, etc. It wa.s further reported that "the hired teams removed 228 loads of sweepings," whilst the Council's horse and cart had "removed 217 loads." "We must have one of those winged horses we see represented on Assyrian monuments to do such an amount of work," added Mr Bevan amidst loud laughter. PROPOSED TRAMWAY EXTENSION. It was reported that the sub-committee con- sisting of Mr John Williams (chairman), Mr John Jones, Mr D. O. Williams and Rev W. Hughes, had met concerning the question of widening Abergele Road between Rhijy Bank Avenue and the Dingle, in view of the proposed tramway extension, and it was resolved to in- struct the Surveyor to submit a plan with the widening shewn on the north side of the main road. The members were of the opinion that the kerb should be refixed three feet back at the top of Erw Wen Road and widening out to four feet nearer the buildings on the north side, thus leaving a carnage way of practically 23 feet 6 inches. The Highways Committee recommended that the irepoTt of the sub-committee be approved, and that the Clerk be directed to ask the Light Railway Co. to make the contribution stipu- lated by the Light Railway Order so that the work may be proceeded with. It was a/so resolved that Mr Hugh Hughes and Mr Ed. Allen bo deputed to press forward the question of acquiring a strip of land at the comer of Rhiw Road. Mr Geo. Bevan inquired whether the com- mittee were satisfied that the amount of widen- ing now suggested would be sufficient to meet tho tramway's requirements. If not, he thought nothing should bo done till they were sure the whole work could be completed satis- factorily. Mr John Williams: This will give usa roadway of 23ft. 6in., from curb to curb. Mr t'evan remarked that tho widening would bo eilected on one side of tho road only, and he thought it would be a pity to spoil one side of the street by contmctillg tho pave- ment so much. Mr John Williams assured the Council that not part, of tho road would be spoiled, and that that was the best thing the Council could do. Mr Reynolds: We can't do anything on tho other side, even if we wanted to. Rev WiLiam Hughes agreed. The discussion droooeJ. NEW PROPERTY. Amongst the plans approved were thofe for the new Church of England at the corner of King's and Lansdowno Roa>ds; and of four ho usee in Everard Road for Mr J. T. Taylor. PUBLIC FOUNTAIN FOR RHOS. A letter was read from Mr J. M. Porter, Estate Office, writing on behalf of subscribers to a fund raised some years ago to provide a memorial to the late Rev W. Venables Williams suggesting, as the fund had not been ex- hausted, that tho balance be utilised in pro- viding a public fountain at Rhos in tho ground lately forming the site oi Combermeio Lodge— the fountain to become the property of the Council, provided tho Council al'ow the neces- sary site, lay on the water service, and do any other work in connectien with the fixing of tho fountain. It was resolved unanimously that the offer be accepted, and that a committee consisting (Jf JVlessrs G. Bevan, H. Bliss Hill and D. n. Wi liams, be deputed to consult with the com- mittee of subscribers, and to make the neces- sary arrangements. LOCAL FUNDS. It was. suggested that, an endeavour be made to utilise the monies pubEely subscribed which stand in the various funds in the town, as ior instance the fund in connection with the Sou'h African War, and the provision of a town clock. The Clerk was directed to take the matter up. GOOD RESULTS AT THE ELECTRICITY WORKS. The Electrical Engineer reported that dur- ing the month there had been an increase by 5,579 units in the amount of electricity gene- rated compared with the same period of last year, whereas there were 50 more consumers, Attention was drawn to the increased genera- tion and the generation obtained per ton of fue'. Good results were reported with coke and anthracite slack as fuel. A fuller report would be submitted next month when a thorough test will havo been made. PROMENADE LIGHTING. The Manager reported that the breakages to the promenade lamp;} had ceased, except- ing those by ordinary wear and tear. As to the winter lighting of the promenade the com- mittee directed the Manager to reduce the number of lamps from 32 to 20. INCREASED CONSUMPTION OF GAS. The report of the Manager (Mr J. C. Pen- nington) was presented for the past month showing gas made 6,067,000 cubic feet, an in- crease of 469,000 cubic feet on the corres- ponding month of last year. Tho Manager's attention was called to the lighting on the main road at Colwyn, and he was directed also to report on the lighting of Queen's Road, CoKvyn. TECHNICAL INSTRUCTION. Upon application made by Mr F. J. Ho'mes. secretary to the Science, Art, and Technical Committee, it was decided to issue a precept on the overseers as heretofore for the sum of £ 90 for the purpose of technical instruction for tho session 19C8-9. L.G.B. INQUIRIES CONCERNING FINANCING. A letter was reported to have been read by the Finance Committer from report by the district auditor, and asking for the Council's observations on the auditor's comment on the cost of public lighting being charged to the gas and electric light concerns tho suggestion that the stock in store accounts should be kept, in the case of those concerns, and prompt payment to the treasurer of monies col ected from electric light prepayment meters. j The committee reported that the Clerk and Accountant had been deputed to draw up a reply thereto, and recommended, "That it be a.n instruction to the gas and electric light managers to keep a record of stores as required by the auditor." Instruction on the last men- tioned subject, it was observed, had already j being given to the collec'or. iLEGAL CHARGES. A statement of tho bills of costs due to the Council's solicitors had a'so been laid before Council's solicitors had also been laid before the committee meeting, and "it was resolved to deputo Messrs J. Dicken, D. O. Williams, and the Chairman, to examine and pass the same for payment. At the close of the meeting the 1mb-committee met and decided to recommend that the sum of L335 be paid in full dis- charge of the claims amounting to the aggre- gate to L374 6s 3d.' Bi!ls amounting to L112 15s 7d included v-ith the statement, are charge- able in respect of the Light Railway negotia- tion, and tho Clerk was directed to a.p to the Company for repayment of tho costs." PIER DIRECTORS AND THE TOWN ADVERTISING ASSOCIATION. The General Purposes Committee reported on the 1st inst., that "No response having been received fciom the Victoria Pier Co. coue-ern-n, the letting of the Pavilion to thb Town Al vertising Association, it was resolved—after soma discussion-t,hat the Cerk be instructed to write again asking for a reply from the Company by the next meeting of the Council." Mr Edward Alkn called attention to this minute, and moved the following resolution- lhat a reply be stmt to the letter from the Town Advertising Association from this Coun- cil. da-ted ICth August, that in rep"v to a question by Mr Dicken at a meeting of the General Purposes Committee held on Decom- ber 2nd, 19m, the Chairman cif the pier direc- tors said he would give the free use of the Pavilion for May-Day festival purposes to the T.A.A." He (Mr Allen) thought it was only right that the CouncU should reply to that iparticttliar letter. There was no question about it but that the Pavilion had been dis- trnctly promised free for May-Day festival pu.r- posen at the General Purposes Committee meeting referred to in tho resolu- tion, but up to the present no intimation of the fact had been given to the aseociation. The association had just had a bill -from the 1 ier Compiany for £ 30 for the use of the lavilion last day, and they naturally wanted to know whether the promise had been made so thwt. they could decide whether or not to pay the bill. He asked the Council to say that the promise had been made, for there was no doubt but that, at the time when the Company were seeking conce.si-Ions from the Council, Mr Dicken put the question to the chairman of the pier directors whether they would give the T.A.A. the free use of the Pavilion for the May-Day festival if the concessionj the com- T.A.A. the free use of the Pavilion for the May-Day festival if the concessionj the com- pany wanted were granted. To that Mr Mason distinctly replied "Yes" (hear, hear). The faots had been published in one of the local circuJaiK from which it had been copied into one of the weekly newspapers, neither of ■which reports had been Pepudiated, by the com- pany. Moreover, he had good reason to be- lieve that the announcement in the circular had been written by the Rev Wm. Hughes, its proprietor, -who had been present wt the oom- mittee meeting when the promise was made. Mr Allen then proceeded to read the announce- ment in the circular which was to the effect that by way of an acknowledgment Otf the con- cessions maei'e by the Council to the company t>he iatter had decided to give the Pavilion "iif6e every May-Day in future to the T.A.A." At the request of a member Mr Allen read the I correspondence which had taken place between the T.A.A. andi the company with regard to the use of the Pavilion. On February 5th the association wroie asking whether the Pavilion would be free, and upon what terms they could have the use of it for the festival. To that there came no reply. Another letter sent on February 14th tusking for a reply was also unanswered. On February 21is-t the association wrote again asking for a definite reply and whether they ",could have the free use of the Pavilion far the fetftivaJ." The company's secretary replied on February 24th stating the company's terms for the use of the Pavilion would be "ihe same as last year, £:0." "With reference to ycur further rear.arks," pro- ceed-ea1 the writer, referring to the suggestion that the Pavilion be lent free of charge, "that rn'atter shall be r,laced before my dir-ac.toi*G at their next board meeting." On the ioliouviug day the association wrote asking for in.ior.na- tion per return, when the next meeting of directors would be held, butt there was no re- ply. As the time was getting ii :ar for the festival, added Air Alien, the. association then wrote offering the £ 30 asked for. On March 14th the association w r cV:, again asking wheLher a directors' meeting had been held since February, a,nd for their decision con- cerning the free. use oi the building. No re- ply had been received to that. "But the next thing we got," said Mr Allen, who is a mem- ber of the T.A.A., "was their bill 'to account 'rendered, £ 30.' And we never had a pre- vious bill; that I swear." Subsequently the company sent. another account that as this account is now five months overdue I shall have to place it in other hands to collect un- ices I i<eceive cheque." And now, said the speaker in conclusion, it must be perfectiy clear to Vie minds of all who were present at the committee meeting in question that this promise was made. All we want you to do it- to say that it was made the T.A.A. can deal with the matter after that. Mr Hugh Fvughes asked whether it was not correct that the association had entered into a conitraet with the company for the Pavilion in February—before tho General Purposes Committee meeting was held. Mr Dicken I have much pleasure in second- ing Mr Allen's motion, because I think it is perfectly right to say that this promise was made as Mr Allen has stated (hear, hear). All the members will no dourbt re.rncun.ber it dis- tinctly. I cannot understand the thing, but 1 have come to the conclusion that the Chair- man of the company can hardly have thought it, but the fact rema.ms, he ha." done so. I cannot undeiftand any pier company or any honourable man having any argument about it if they knew about it, but that does not alter the fact Uiait it was promised. Mr Bernard Lowe referred to Mr Allen's remark that "all the association wants you to do is to say that the promise was made," and said the Council could do more than that. Trie bargain was made between the Council and the company, the association being merely the third party. The company had been given some thing on a certain understanding, and if that underc tan-ding had not been carried into effect iL was a matter which the ÇüUllc.il should eee to. The Clerk That is a matter for the asso- ciation to be advised upon. Rev Wm. Hughes said he had always under- srl'od that Mr Aiaeon had said he would give thy Pavilion free. I think I can remember bin words, raid Mr Eiuighes. Ho said "Let j them have it" (hear, hear). Mr Dicken asked the question, I remember, and it was upon the strength of that rcply-and with a viow to smoothing matters for the town—that the committee agreed to give what the company wanted. 1 am very sorry this promise has not been fulfilled (hear, hear]. Mr George Bevan said that whatever might have been the misunderstanding between the Council and the pier company he felt sure it would be impossible for anyone who had lis- tened to the correspondence read to misunder- stand the terms upon which the Pier Pavilion had been let to the T..A.A. for May-Day. They had been told distinctly that ther-2 wou'd be a charge and they had agreed to pay £ 30 for the building with the services of the vI. chestra, the artistes, the pier staff, etc. The misunderstanding between the Council and thE directors he would explain this way There were five directors present at the committee meeting, though there were very few eounef- lore, many being absent that day, and the question was asked—and the directors e, J not i <b.ny it.w-hether the Pier Company wot id allow the use of the Pavihcn lor May-Day The directors absolutely denied that the word "free" was used (laughter). T.1e chairman of the directors said "Yes," but ihe c..rectors had no idea that they were 'o let it iite of charge. The reason for .¡h J.t was tha.t th*. Pavilion was occupied from Faster to the end of September every night and every day by the performances of the orchestra. The direc- tors had offers nearly every day for the use of the building for theatrical and other pur- poses, but they were always refused, and in granting the use of the building to the T.A.A. for the May-Day festival for La) the directors considered they were conferring a great favour upon the T.A.A The letter of February 27th was so pilain that the blind could read the distinct .terms upon which the building had been let the association, and he was surprised that Mr Allen should whine over the reasonable charge macc.'e for the Pavilion. Mr Bliss Hill rose at this point, but before he spoke a single sentence Mr Bevan interposed with the remark that Mr Hill was not at the itt committee meeting, and could not therefore 6peak of what had taken place. Mr Hill replied that as a member of the Cbunicil he had. been pre&eut at subsequent Council meetings, when the whole thing practi- oally had been angued. He recollected th<1it one of t'he mernbens had asked at a subsequent Council mooting whether that gift would be made to the T.A.A., and he was perfectly certain that the ro^ly was in the affirmative. Mr Bevan I beg to deny that. I never mentioned" it. The question was asked me whether the company would be likely to do so, but I c'id not give a, definite opinion upon the matter. Mr Bliss Fill (displaying a copy of the Roev W. Hughes' circular)^ It is on your counsel's brief (laughter). Air Bevan Is that in reference to what I said or not? Mr Bliss Hill replied that he ha.d previously referred facetiously to the Rev Mr Hughes as the junior counsel to the Pier Company, and he did so more seriously now (laughter) and according to that gentleman's own state- ment in the circular the company had not only promised the Pavilion freely for one year, but year after ye-ar for all time (laughter and hear, hear). Surely, Mr Fiughes woulcf not have 9 misunderstood the matter to that extent. It would be within the memory of the whole Council tha,t, when he had protested againsit granting the concession to the Pier Company, which amounted to a loss of £100 to the rate- payers, one. of the main points in the argu- ment against him wr.s that the Pier Company were giving the use of the Pavilion to the T.A.A., which was equivalent to £ 30, and he remembered ridiculing the idea at the time. He was surprised to hear Mr Bevan, who, he (the speaker) took it, was speaking as one of the directors of the Pier Company, talking about Mr Allen as coming there to "whine." Mr Allen had merely asked the company to carry out their bargain as straight forward people. Rev W. Hughes said he objected to the title given him by Mr Hill (laughter), because he could assure his colleagues that he held no brief for the Pieir Pavilion nor any one else on that Council (hear, hear). 'Mr Charles Reynolds said they should all explain the position they took up in that matter, because it was a little more serious than one would think at first. He was present at the committee meeting referred to, and his impression was that the Pavilion was to be given free, but he did not remember that Mr Mason ever used the word "free." Mr John Jon said he had also been at the meeting, and he felt quite sure Mr Mjason said the Pier would be let free. Eie re- membered the incident quite well, and was quite sure Mr Mason made the promise. Mr Dicken Mr Mason did not say the word "free," that is true enough. I pwt the ques- tion to him whethear the T.A..A,. would have it. free Mr Mason did not use the word "free," but he said "Yes" in reply to my question (hoar, hear). Mr Gamble said he recollected' the sugges- tion made thait the T.A.A. had the free use of ithe Pavilion, and he reinemibered Mr Maeon turning to his colleagues after consulting whom, he said "I thank so." But" he gave no decided answer so far as I can remember added Mr Gamble. Mr Bevan He distinctly says he did not understand it ill that way. Mr Dickem I atIn sure Mr Mason did not understand' i]t, or he would not attempt to get out of it. Mr J. Williams agreed with Mr Allen's view, and said he wae very much disappointed that the promise had not been carried oiut. Mr E. Ailen, in replying to Lhe discussion, said Mr lievaji reminded him of the man who, when interviewed by a newspaper representa- tive a little while ago, said he had strong views himself, but he would not tdil the reporter what they were (laughter). He had placed- himselif there that day as a pier director, a natural thing for which he (the speaker) did not blame hiT. The Chairman appealed to Mr Allen not to enter into the matter in that way. Mr Allen No, but he has replied in that way. Continuing, the speaker said Mr Revan had said it was a concession to grant the Pavi- lion on the teirns the association got it, bu-t (the 'association had had it for two or threo, iif not four, years previously on the same terms, for the previous May-Day the company charged £ 30, and the saaie had been charged for the year before that, but for the preceding year, h h:6 memory served him correctly, tho charge was L15. In any case he knew the charge had gradually grown. Therefore, to talk about giving a concession when the same charge was nofw macle was absurd (hear, hear). Mr Bevan accused him of whining. He was not in the habit of doing tha.t, nor did he care for concessions from the Council, on behalf of the T.A.A., ae certain limited companies had teen Obtaining. If it came to whining, that was done when the Council had been a"k0d to back up companies and hetip them la pay dividends. In reply to Mr E. H. Davies, The Clerk reported that there hod boei., thirteen members o'f the Council present at the committee meeting on December 2nd, when the directors attended. Mr J. Williams That is a fair lepresenta tilon of this Council, I should say (hear, heir).' On a diviision Mr AJlen's motion was carried by ten votes to two. Those for it were Messrs J. Williams, J. Dickon, W. Hughes, Lowe, Allen, Horton, BJi."iS Hill, Gamble, J. Joneis, and Hugh E\ans.. Against: Messrs E. H. Davies and' Hugh Hiug-hes. Messrs Bevan, Reynolds, Etekinis, Hugh Davies did not vote.

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