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NORTH WALES TEMPERANCE FEDERATION.
NORTH WALES TEMPERANCE FEDERATION. CONFERENCE AT COLWYN BAY. 4 WELL-KNOWN SPEAKERS ON THE L!CENSING BILL. IADY HOWARD AND SIR T. P. WHITTAKER. ADDRESS A LARGE AUDIENCE. (The annual conference in connection with I the North Wales Temperance Federation was continued at Oolwyn Bay to-day wc.ek-the first day's proceedings were reported in our last issue—and though there was a little rain about mid-day the weather remained tolerably favourable, though' it was much cooler than on Wednesday. Thursday's proceedings oommenced with a prayer meeting for men in Engedi Chapel at 9-30 a.m., under the leadership of the Rev. iThos. Lloyd, Cohvyn Bay, and another for [women at Horeb Chapel. At 10 o'clock Sir Herbert Roberts, the presi- lient of the federation, presided over a confer- ence at Engedi. After prayer had been cffuroo by Dr. Hugh Bones, of Bangor, a hymn, "Marchog lesu yn Jh^ddianua," was sung. THE PRESIDENT'S DISTINCTION. .The Rev. Canon ROBERTS, vicar of Oolwyn [Bay, followed at onoo with a motion that the federation congratulated its President most iLeartOy upon the honour recently conferred upon 'him by the King. Both Sir Herbert and 'Lady Roberts, he wo, had fulfy deserved their elevation. He (tha Vioar) felt personally very fflad of it, and as a resident of Uolwyn llaky he couldi assure the meeting that all sections of the community had a very high opinion of Sir ^Herbert- He had given many years of service ?to hia county, and unless he (the speaker) ware Vfreatly mistaken, the great charactt ristis cf Sir (Herbert's political life was that, while Le had tried to elevate his country in a material .wanse, he had oonoentra more of his atten- tion upon and appeared to be more in his ele- ifaent in furthering the oause of the higher, the .moral and spiritual side of life (loud applaus-3), tAs. temperance advocates they could net help Wang grateful for the distinction conferred "upon Sir Herbert, for it bad been largely made jfoy reason of his untiring efforts on behalf of Bfcheir own great cause. In and out of time he ffliad worked zealously for tomiperaric?, and he • fCknon Roberts) could not hplp thinking h3 'boulù detect in the present Licensing Bill marks jtof his influence—(hear, hear)—in the clause Pwhich compelled the Sunday drinker to walk Bonger distances for his liquid refreshments, for instance (laughter). In oonolusion, he could not Jbut express the hope that Lady Roberts real- ised that she had personalty done a groat deal [toward? ensuring the dristinction which 00' h her ladyship and Sir Herbert now enjoyed (loud applause). Rev. R. ROBERTS, of Rhos, seconded, and Irr,niarked that the elevation of Sir Herbert and ■Jjodv Roberts had given the whole of Wales iin.s; .■oakable pleasure- The motion was carried with a hearty dicer. Sir HERBERT, in acknowledging, said he felt sincerely obliged to Canon Roberts and the R. Roberts for the very kind words jpoken in connection with that resolution and {With the small share he had had in public mat- pars. He did not know how toi thank them; his jheart was too full for words. vYhenever he pon- 'dored over the matter ho could not help realis- ing the value of the work accomplished by his Hate reve.red father—(applause),—and he only boped he and Lady Roberts would continue to Shave the necessary strength to follow in the old paths which they had so tar walked, thanks to the noble influence of those who had "gone -before" (applause). IHOME RULE FOR WALES IN LICENSING ADMINISTRATION. Proceeding, Sir HERBERT said the North ;W ales Temperance Association had already ren- jidered valuable service to the life of YVal s. It shad kept for many years before the public the jjtruth that temperance was a movement which gem,ande-d a wider outlook t-nan the village, Stown or country. Year after year it had gath- tered together temperance reformers from all Mparts of North Wales for the purpose of emphas- ising this truth and the fact that the conditions [fend circumstances of Wales demanded special tiernl)eran,ce legislation. Similar work had been |also accomplished by the South Wales Terriper- 'juioo Association, arid the fruit of their united Efforts in this direction was to be seen in the ifepecud provisions for Wales in the Licensing oi the Government. As to the future, they [would continue to press these points, keeping ffcheir eyes fixed upon the goal of self-govern- tfcnent for Wales in the sphere of licensing ad- iteanisfcration (hear, hoar). The/ were detcr- Srained also to take steps which would enable I Shem through the machinery of their organisa- to weld together &11 the temperance forccs pf North Wales (applause). A very little re- ion would show the essential importance of Securing an effective temperance organisation pn every Parliamentary constituency and every jpounty council area in Wales. In view of cer- tain developments along the rood of local self- ygovemment in the future, it did not need the (eye of a seer to note the imporlanoa of tli-oe pensiderations- They also thought it essential that, the executives of the North and South JWales organisations should meet together from [famo to time for the purpose of considering 8. ytion for Wales as a whole. Lastly, it waa their Jtlesire to break down, as far as possible, the ^middle wall of partition of sect or any other Slistinotion in temperance work. Their cause mhoiJd be a great unifying* force, and a per- Mpet.ii.al reminder that, whilst pursuing different thods, they were marching towards the same goal; and, in his judgment, they ould not iexpeefc a full measure of suoooss ujK>n their (.efforts until^ this essential truth was reongnised. ff>eahng with the Lioansing Bill, he pointed out 9ehat they were met at a most important junc- fturo in the liistory of the movement. That jTP £ iasuro was to them the all-absorbing q'les'ion. flits introduction was. in his ODinion. t!»e | tPRAVEST AOT OF MODERN POLITICS. The Government were fully aware of tJe j#xorm of opposition which would inevitably be Aroused, bat they had put the good of the na- ifcion uefore political expediency, and in so doing" .(b:u:l already received liberal support from many gvh. were opposed to them in general policv- tfhe Bill had been an eye-opener in many direc- tions. It had revealed on the one hand the £ fcrue nature, spirit, and purpose of the forces Jarrayed behind the drink trade, and on the jother hand it appeared to them to be indiffer- ent and materialistic in public life. At the pre- '13ent time the conscience of the nation was p.walvc to a moral issue. The question was often tasked what would be thet fate of the Bill in the Houoo of Lorda ? He thought the Bill would pass, for he did not believe that the influences, tWhose real nature and purpose had been ro- pealed in the campaign against the measure, pouid be victorious in the conflict. He was not in the habit, as they know, of reing- str ng Slanguage or taking* extreme views ijipon any question, but he was bound to say ithat in contemplating the power of evil and the [fchare which drink had in its production, he iUionght it a strange fact in the twentieth cen- £ pty, and in that democratic age. that they « -Cft ^ace even with the possibility Ej the rejection of such a measure as the Licens- T? an horedjtary and irresponsible As- not> however, for them to meet £ iffiinitios half-way. Their immediate duty was, Jby all means in their power, to show the Govern- toratUmtttejr hearts were set upon the passage f the Bill into law (applause). Dealing with ríhe special provisions for Wales inserted in the ill. he reminded the Conference that their (Association bad for many years voiced the opin- ions whiob bad taken shape in the separate lenses for Wales inserted in the measure. Those .Clauses meant not only a great opportunity but a jfereat responsibility for tho people of Wales, and Ll* "r^ent necessary, without a day's dcl.tv, rd in every district throughout the Principality, prepare the people for a full and effective ex- ffercise of the special powers conferred upon tl:f I the Bill (hear hear). In conclusion, he sai °f the development ijerf Welsh life m the future. They saw the cau.se sjfcf elementary education, freed from the strife ijftf politics, resting on tho heart, of the people, [land the conditions of rural life made more at- fcractiro through wise and just law and legis- lation. They looked forward to the time when a full measure of local self-government would enable their people to develop qualities which would make the power of Wales still more felt in the life of the world. But was it. not abso- lutely clear that not one of these ideals could be reached, or at least be fully achieved, until a mastery had been obtained ever the tyranny of drink? (hear, hear). They would face another year of work with hope and confidence, for they knew that their cause had behind it an infinite power and an unchanging purpose set upon the redemption of the race (loud applause). TEMPERANCE EXAMINATION. The Rev. ROBERT ROBERTS (Colwyn Bay) submitted the report of the examiners in the temperance examination, which was as follows:— Senior Division: Equal 1, Grace Roberts, Cwrny- glo, and John Williams, Corwen; equal 2, Maggie Griffith, Cwmyglo, and Edward M. Foulkes, Acrefair; 3, Eliza M. Davies, Holywell; 4, Annie Ll. Humphreys, Beaumaris; 5, Robert Parry, Holywell. Second Division: 1, R. R. Williams, Penrhyndeudraeth; 2, Rosie Jones, Treuddvn; 3, Esther Evan3, Bethel, Acrefair. Junior Sec- tion Equal 1, Jane Griffiths, Nerquis, and W. A. Griffiths; 2, Robert Evans, Ganllwyd; equal 3, W. O. Evans, Llandrillo, Corwen, and lorwerth Roberts, Acrefair. The Rev. R. ROBERTS spoke most highly of the successful competitors. Nevertheless, the examiners were somewhat disappointed at the number of candidates. In 1907 they numbered 170, but in 1908 only 74. TEMPERANCE WORK IN WEST DEN- BIGHSHIRE. Mr HUGH EDWARDS (Rhyl) gave a very in- teresting resume of temperance work in West Denbighshire. He said the Association had not been successful in closing many public-houses, but it was certain that it had been the means of preventing the opening of new houses. If the temperance cause would not receive that atten- tion it deserved in every locality in the division, the fault did not lay with the Association, be- cause messages were frequently sent to stimu- late the churches. The Board of Guardians in the country had now realised that it was not fair to send boys nor girls from the Workhouses to the service of publicans. That was, no doubt, a step in the right direction. Mr Edwards referred to the decision of the. Rhyl Council to apply for a licence for the Pavilion, and re- marked that when they found that the applica- tion would be opposed, the Council had aban- doned the idea, and a victory was thus achieved without a shot being fired. THE SECRETARY'S REPORT. The new SECRETARY (the Rev. GLYN DAVIES, of Rhyl), who was accorded a warm reception, said he had no formal report to sub- mit inasmuch as he had only taken up his du- ties two months ago. But, he had found al- ready that there was great work to be accom- plished, and great need for organisation. He received applications for his services from all parts, and so far a.3 it was practicable, he intend- ed to do all he could to meet the wishes of all, and to devote the whole of his services to or- ganisation, so as to make the meetings of the Association the most important held durin«- the year m North Wales. He appealed for the hearty co-operation of all, and was extremely glad to note that all the churches of Christ in the Principality seemed to be taking up the tem- perance movement in earnest, and that there were three clergymen of the Church of England present in that meeting (loud applause). MR HERBERT LEWIS ON THE LICENSING BILL, Mr HERBERT LEWIS, M.P., who had just entered in company with Mr Fred Home, the unsuccessful Liberal candidate for the Ludlow Division of Shropshire, amidst a rousing cheer, was prevailed upon to address the Conference at this point. Referring to the presence of a num- ber of Church of England clergymen in the meeting, he said it must surely rejoice their hearts to see that all branches of the Church of Christ were taking part in that Conference with- out a thought of sectional or denominational differences (loud applause). Referring to the Licensing Bill, Mr Lewis said: If there ever was a measure that deserved the support of every true-hearted citizen, and which was first and foremost for the moral elevation of his country, it is that Bill (applause). It is nob an extreme Bill; we are not asking for much. Many of you might think that it does not go as far as it should go, but in this matter we have to carry with us not only the body of total abstainers of this country, but also a very large proportion of the moderate drinkers, whose help is abso- lutely necessary to the success of the Bill (hear, hear). That is the reason the Bill has been drawn upon moderate lines. But it will secure at least two things: In the first place it will se- cure the substantial and continuous reduction of licences, and next, it will restore tq the magis- trates that discretion of which they were de- prived by the Act of 1904, and which had begun to be of such great value in different parts of tho country-particularly in cities like Liverpool where powers were given to a strong magisterial Bench by means of which they were able to effect a revolution in the moral conditions of the peo- ple, and that without unfairly interfering with anyone. This magisterial discretion the Bill pro- poses to restore (hear, hear). Continuing, the right hon. member said the Bill would also keep the children out of the public-houses. A census recently taken had revealed painful facts. For instance, no less than 169 children and 111 babies had been seen to enter one London public-house in the course of a single day-(' "Shame"), -and it the Bill did nothing else for temperance work it would at least stop that sort of thing (ap- plause). He was sincerely glad of the support which so many bishops of the Church of England rendered to that mon.sure -(applause),-and he hoped that when the Bdl came before the House ?l Z ll thT '^Mups would remember that, though they had the power to over-ride the de- cisions of the representatives of the people, there would rest upon them a tremendous responsibi- lu;y should they reject the measure. He did not wish to say that in any party sense, but as one who merely looked upon the Upper Chamber as one that essayed to act in a luriinml fnn.inifv (hear, hear). He hoped they would listen to the t n to the words of such men as the Bishops of London and Liverpool (applause). You are engaged, said Mr Herbert Lewis, in conclusion, in the promotion of the greatest cause, the cause that will bring with it a greater number of blessings in its train than all the causes with which our lives are associ- ated (loud applause). WHERE ENGLAND FOLLOWED WALES. Mr FRED HORNE also spoke briefly. He said temperance advocates would be merely reaping their just harvest if the Bill were passed. He congratulated the Free Churches upon the splendid way in which they had assisted the Government in that matter. Speak- lJfF AT n part V^les had taken in political affaire, Mr Home said Wales has always been ahead of England in moral issues, but England will como toddling along after you and have the option ourselves as to whether drink shall be sold on Sunday" (hear, hear, and laughter) Tito Rev. GRIFFITH ELLIS, MA Bootle, and the Rev. T. PRICHARD, rector "of Llan- fwrog, further addressed the meeting. TEMPERANCE AND THE YOUNG. rwo.'I. The Keetor ot LJanfwrog had been announced to move the following resolution"That we most earnestly desire to cali the attention of ministers, teachers, and parents to the need of more direct instruction in the meaning and value of sobriety and purity; that we ask the different religious denominations to pay especial regard to this in the Sabbath Schools and Bands of" Hope and the Public Authorities, including the Edu- cation Authorities, to arrange for this in the day schools; and that we petition the Government to press forward, and, if possible, strengthen the provisions in their present measures for the bene- fit and protection of children." As he had been obliged to leave the meeting before the matter came forward, however, hia place was taken by "CERNYW," who dealt with the subject at some length. He said there could be no com- plaint concerning unemployment in temperance matters, because there was an abundance of work f or all, .t J it behoved all who could to take p3.r in it. Mr R. PRYS JONES, of Pontypridd, second- ed the motion, in the course of a fiery speech, and "PLENYDD" supported briefly. Dr. CARTER, of Deganwy (formerly of Liverpool), also supported, and pointed out that according to the Registrar General's last re- turns, there had died from alcoholism in Eng- land and Wales 2231 persons, while cyrosis of the liver, also due to chronic alcoholism, had caused the death of 3861. It should also be borne in mind that doctors always considered that for every fatal case there were nine non- fatal cases, so that no less than 61,420 homes in that so-called happy land were daily affected by sodden drunkards. Moreover, one child almost out of every four born in this land died before it reached twelve months of age, and it should never be forgotten that a very large proportion of that percentage was due directly to drunken parents. They were frequently assured by their opponents that it would be impossible to make the country sober by an Act, of Parliament, but he argued that as long as the matter had not been put to the test, no such contention could be accepted. Ho would remind them that some years ago cases of arsenical poisoning in the country were very numerous, but since the sale of aisenio in the open shops had been pro- hibited by Act of Parliament, there had been only a case or two per annum (applause). Since steps had been taken to muzzle dogs, cases of hydro- phobia had fallen from 60 per annum to no cases during the last three years. Since Acts of Par- liament had been successful over those matters was it not equally possible that muzzling the drink demon would prove equally effective? (loud applause). He thought it was most unpatriotic and selfish to oppose such a measure as the pre- sent Licensing Bill, It was resolved, on the motion of Dr. EVANS, Bangor, seconded by Mr HUGH EDWARDS, to forward copies of the resolution to all public authorities, including the Local Education Com- mittees.
THE AFTERNOON MEETING.
THE AFTERNOON MEETING. CONFERENCE FORMALLY WELCOMED. In the afternoon there was not an inch of spare room when a deputation extended a welcome to the Conference to Colwyn Bay. They were in- troduced by the PaJV. THOS. PARRY, J.P. Mr D. O. WILLIAMS, chairman of the Col- wvn Bay Urban District Council, spoke on be- half of that authority; Miss ETHEL HOVEY, Penrhos College, for the local Women's Tem- perance Association; the Rev. T. M. JONES on behalf of the Welsh Free Churches; and the Rev. JOHN EDWARDS for the English Free Churches. The last-mentioned said he was glad to welcome the Federation for what it had done in the past, was doing now, and would do in the future. Canon ROBERTS, on behalf of the Colwyn Bay United Temperance Association, also spoke. He said ha, hoped the meeting would do some- thing to steady public opinion on the subject of the Licensing Bill, showing how hollow and base- less were the extravagant and base- less outcries against it (applause). He hoped they would do it in no extravagant language, but in a very conciliatory and temperate spirit. All that need be done was to explain clearly what the measure was, so that the people might understand its provisions. Nothing more was needed. TEMPERANCE AND POLITICS. The Rev. E. K. JONES, of Brymbo, then pro- ceeded with his paper on "Temperance to-day in the politics of the country." He contended there could be room for no more than two parties in regard to the temperance question—one em- phatically affirmative, and the other negative,— and when that fact was properly realised throughout the country the problem which gave them so much trouble would be solved, Mr HENRY JONES, J.P., of Liverpool, pro- posed the following resolution"That we re- joice that the temperance work of the past years is now bearing fruit in the politics of the coun- try, and that there are in Parliament so many total abstainers and to many advocates of so- briety and purity; that we profoundly appreci- ate the endeavour now made by the Govern- ment to regulate more vigorously the drink traffic and to lessen the temptations to drink, and especially the endeavour now made to extend so many important reforms to Wales; and that we call upon all the friends of our cause throughout the land to support intelligently and warmly these endeavours, and also to continue to de- mand such effective temperance legislation as will give to the State complete control of the drink traffic, and to the people, especially to the women and the children, every protection against it. Mr WM. GEORGE, Criccieth, seconded, and the motion was carried with acclamation. THE WHITE BANNER. Miss PRICHARD, the hon. see.. then pre- sented the sixteenth report of the work of the Women's Union during the year, which was considered most satisfactory. No less than 31 new branches had been established in the course of the year, so that there were now in the Union 220 branches with a total membership of 13,861, an increase of 1324. The white banner awarded to tne branch which had recorded the largest increase in membership during the year had been awarded to Wrexham (applause). The report was adopted. TEMPERANCE AND CHARACTER. The next address was by the RECTOR OF ABERFFRAW (the Rev. W. A. EDWARDS, M.A.), on "Temperance to-day in the character of the nation," and in more than one sense it was the most striking of the speeches yet heard in connection with the Conference. Nations had been destroyed, he said, by their sins, and what elevated the nation in its true greatness was char- acter, and it was sheer vulgarity toi say that a nation which had the largest territories and the greatest amount of gold and silver or guns and ships was the strongest nation. In passin°", he acknowledged that as things were they must^have a few guns and shirA-(Iaughter), -but he, per- sonally, failed to see why, as long as people had become sensible enough to stop eating one an- other, they should not also hold the same views over killing one another (laughter and cheers). A country must be judged by the proportion of the noble and happy men, women, and children in it. Wales might be a small nation, but the Welsh nation, like the Welshman's cow, was little and good-(laughter and hear, hear),—and that was due to the progress it had made in th" r1;ra¿>- _.A.a. tion of virtuous qualities. Taking that view of national life, they could not but see the. power of drink in corrupting, destroying, and under- mining the national character. From economio, hygienic, and every other point of view, there was overwhelming evidence that the national character would be in every way the better for the sobering of the nation. Professor J. E. LLOYD, M.A., Bangor, pro- posod: "That we express our belief more em- phatically than ever that total abstinence from all kinds of intoxicating drinks is an indispen- sable element in the prosperity of the country, inasmuch as it is of such value in physical health and mental power, as it helps so effectively to make men pure, homes happy, and churches strong, and as it promotes so greatly labour and thrift, enterprise and commerce; and that we therefore urge upon every patriot to practise and support total abstinence in all relations of life, till there is won for it a place as part of the teach- hfn °:fn sc,hooIs- M a condition of member- ship in the churches, as a respected virtue in society, and as a question of the first importance in the polities and literature of the country." He dealt in an interesting manner with the hiq- toncal aspect of the drink traffic in W.IIPO Lady DOROTHY HOWARD supported, in the course of a short withal eloquent appel to Welsh parents to hand down the message which had made life so interesting and happy for themselves to their children. The motion was supported by the Rev. JOHN HUGHES, Liverpool, and was carried with ac- clamation. In the evening, Lady HOWARD and Sir T. P. WHITTAKER, M.P., were the principal speasers at a largely-attended meeting in the Pier Pavilion.
. WOMEN'S TEMPERANCE UNION.
WOMEN'S TEMPERANCE UNION. fKio annual meeting* of tha North Wales Women's Temperanoe Union was held simultaneously with the Federa- tion meeting. Lady Rcborts, of, Bryn- g-wienallt, was re-elected president for an- other three years, and Mrs Griffith Davies, Menai Bridge, vioe-president for the same per- iod. iThere was a very large attendance of dele- gates from all parts of North Wales, as well as London, Liverpool, and Manchester. On the motion of Miss DAVIES Trcborth,
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seconded by Lady DOROTHY HOWARD, a resolution was passed urging the Houso of Lords to pass the Licensing Bill without the slightest alteration. RE-ELECTION OF FEDERATION PRESI- DENT. At the delegates' meeting in the evening Sir Herbert Roberts, M.P.. was unanimously re- elected president, and Mr E. Jones, Trcwythen, was elected vice-president for the ensuing year. The new committee were eleci-ed as follows:— Rev. W. A. Edwards, M.A., Aborffraw; Mr S. Ellia, J.p., Llanfair; Mr W- George, Criccieth Mr Henry Jones, J.P., C.C., Liverpool; Mr 11. E Jones, TaJysarn Dr. Hugh Jones, J.P.. Dolgelley; Mr T. C. Lewis, Deganwy; Mr J. S. Lloyd, Wrexham; Rev. T. Talvvyn Phillip-, BI)., Bala; Mr R W. Roberts. J.P., Mena.i Bridge; Rev G. O. Roberts, Chester; Alderman W H. Willian s, Bet.hosda; Together with the President, the Ex-President, the Treasurer, and the Secretary. THE CLOSING MEETING. LARGE GATHERING IN THE PAVILION. SPEECHES BY LADY DOROTHY HOWARD AND SIR T. P. WHITTAKER, M.P. The conference was brought to a close with a public meeting in the Pier Pavilion, where a, crowded assembly gathered to hear Lady Dorothy Howard, the eloquent daughter of the late Countess Carlyle, and Sir Thomas Whit- taker, M.P., perhaps the leading authority on the Liboral view of the Government's Licen-iina- Bill. 5 Sir J. Herbert Roberts, M.P., presided, and he was aocompanied on ILLS immediate right by Sir Thomas Whittaker, while tho Vicar of Col- wyn Bay (Canon Roberts) sat on his right, with Lady Dorothy Howard, liaoy Robe ts, and Lady hit taker side by side. TLere were also on the platform: Rev. W. A. Edwards, Rector of Aberffraw; Rev. John Hughes, M.A., Live-- pool; Dr. Carter, J.P., Deganwy; Mr W. G. Thomas, J-P., Carnarvon; Mr R. Prvs-Jories, Pontypridd; Rev. Thomas Parry, J.P., Col- wyn Bay; Rev. Benjamin Hughes, St. Asaph: Rev. Thomas Lloyd, Colwyn Bay; Rev. John Edwards, Colwyn Bay; Rev. E. B. Jones, Holyhead; Rev. Robert Roberts, Colwyn Bay; Mr Jaoob Jones, J.P., Rhyl; Mr T. D Jonss, 1 m Rhyl; Mr S. Ellis, J.P., Llanfair; Rev. I T. M. Jones, Colwyn Bay; Miss Prichard, Os- westry; Miss Gee, Denbigh; Mrs Jacob Jones, Denbigh; Mrs G. Davies, Menai Bridge; Mr and Mrs J. Matthews, AmJwch; Mr Henry Lewis, J.p., C-onway; Mr Boaz Jones, J.P., Denbigh; Rev. E. K. Jones, Brymbo; Mr J. S. Lloyd. Wrexham; Mr n. J. Williams ("Plen- ydd"), Mrs Dr- Jonea. Harlech: Mr J. R. Jones, Colwyn Bay; Miss Parrv, Denbigh; and a large number of other ladics. THE PRESIDENT'S HOPE FOR THE BILL. Sir J. HERBERT ROBERTS, who, on ris- ing to open the proooodings, was enthusiastic- ally oheered, said that great meeting was a fitting climax to a conference which would leave its mark not only upon the life and thought of Colwyn Bay, but throughout the length and breadth of North Wales. He nocd not remind them of the special interest he took in every phase of the temperance ques- tion, but ho must repeat once more that that was the question whioh had been in the main the object of his public life (loud oheors). It was the Qne-itiori for whioh he had worked hardest, and it was the one which, in his opin- ion, should be placed before all other public questions in reflation to thoir direct bearing upon the life of the nation (applause). Sir Herbert thon proceeded to express the great gratitude felt by tho oonfcrence delegates to friends at Colwyn Bay who had accordcd the visi-tor8 so warm a welcome; to the ladies who had provided so bountifully for them and to Mr J. R. Jones, "the indefatigable local secretary, to whoso energy, tliou-,h-t-fulne.-s and zeal so much of the success of these meetings is to be attributed" (applause). Speaking of the principal speakers at that meeting, Sir Herbert said it was a source of the greatest. possible satisfaction to him to have Sir Thomas Whit- taker (applause)—sitting beside him on that occasion, lie felt sure the meeting would be a memorable one if it were merely for the fact that Sir Thomas had then made his first visit to Colwyn Bay. By gioneral consent Sir Tho- mas stood in the front rank as an exponent of TT principles of temperance reform- lie had great abilitty, unrivalled know- ledge of evycr phasa of the ques- tion, splendid power of the pen, and behind all lay the untiring devotions of a liftetinn to the cause (applause). After dwelling at scree length upon Sir T<iomas' work in connection with Lord Peel's commission, and the faithful support he had rendered to Wales in mat crs affecting Licensing administration, the hon. member introduced Lady Dorothy Howard to the meeting as "one who belongs to a family noted for its splendid servioo to the temper- ance oause (choers)—a family which has thrown the influence of its ancient fame ancT power to the active support of all great moral causes. We are g'lad to-niglht to give Lady Dorothy Howard the warmest of Welsh welcomes" (loud and prolonged applause). Continuing, Sir Her- bert said: Wales takes a special inlerost in the Government s Licensing Bill, whese adoption ""?}i ,mean muoh to t'he nation (hear, hear). It will be a gTeat blessing to the prople, because it will be a refuge and strength to the temper- ance cause- I hato anything in the form of egotism, either personal or national, but I am proud of my country—(cheers); —I have & deep reve.rence and love for the life of Wales, and I believe in my heart that the welfare of WaJes is bound fast to the hand of the temperance causo (applause). When this Bill has passed— 118 I believe it will be passed—(loud cheers)—it will be a great oppoHunity for Wales in self- government, and by means Off which we will be in a large measure able to lift the fallen and succour the weak (hear, hoar). Whatever doubts arise in our minds as to the fate cf the Bill in "another plaoe" our immediate dutly is to resolve one and all to do our utmost to strengthen the hands o7 this brave rrinistiy in the passing of "the Bill (applause). When that w done and when the Bill is t;ie law cf land, I venture to predict that it will mark the be- ginning of a new chapter and a new dav in C-e history of VV ales (cheers). I have now the greatest possible pleasure in calling npon Lady Dorothy Howard to address the meeting (ap- plause). LADY DOROTHY HOWARD SPEAKS. Lady DOROTHY was obviously touched by the warmth of her welcome. May I say at first, she proceeded when at length she was permitted to speak, that it is a great pleasure to me to be for the first time amongst Welsih friends on an errand of this kind. I am proud and glad of the opportunity of visiting the ■women of Wales who have set so fine an ex- ample to those of us who have so many diffi- culties in facing the problem of English drunk- enness- IOU here are not merely trying but achieving (cheers). Continuing she said thaty could congratulate themselves upon the position of the temper- ance movement. All the false excuses for ra.k- ing drink were vanishing one by one. Those who had most to sa.y on the carrying1 on of high olass raanuaJ labour, the trades unionists, set their faces against intoxicants, and they had the strenuous moral and active support of la- bour. Not so much was said nowadays about men ond women using drink as medicine. In fact, the only excuse given to-day was that given by a tramp to a C.O.S. investigator; "I does it '008 I likes it" (laughter and applause). Aiiey were indeed in the stage that men now acknowledged that drink was necessary, not because it did anybody good, but b?caii £ e some of them liked it. And even the most blatant had some sha.me in saying they wanted the con- tinuance of a harmful thing just for their own greedy pleasure (loud applause). Now that they had neary driven away all tine fibe ex- cuses, they had stronger hope that their move- ment would take a greater hold upon the con- science of all the good citizens of the nation, because after all the majoity of the people had that much love of their neighbour and huma- nity that would prompt them to oby their consciences in questions of that kind (oheors). She believed if they oould prove that to the nation they would win the nation to thair side -(hear, hear), and it was for them to bring that about. The wretched conditions amidst which the poor existed were the result of drink. Some people would argue that povarty prevailed before drink came. I don't know, remarked Lady Howard, whether poverty makes more drink or drink more poverty, but the conditions aro there, and we have to change them. If it is a various circle then I sav let us attack it where be3t it can be at- tacked, and I contend that drink is the easiest problem to begin with (loud applause). There are the land and marty other problems which demand serious attention, but let us first take this problem, because there can be no doubt but that it is the one that goag deepest to the root of our prreatest troubles (applause). Pro- ceeding, her ladyship said their s was a colos- sal task, but they should tackle it with cour- ageous hearts. Dealing with the Licensing Bill, Lady Dorothy Howard said she would like to call it, not the Licencing Bill, which was TOO PROSAIC AND DULL. but "The Children's Happiness Bill," or "Tha Children's Protection Bill"—(loud applause),- beoausB she felt sure it would 1>3 the means of crowding a glimpse of the Kingdom of Heaven for many a little eye new dimmed with the tears of a hard life (renewied applause). She looked upon it as the groatest Bill ever de- waed by legislators for promotu^ the happi- wess of ohild life in the ooantry (hear, hear). It was a moral obligation upon all of th*™ therefore, to exert their every power on its behalf. Under the Roman system, of punish- ing defaulting soldiers every tenth man was chosen by lot and killed in a regiment which had shirked its duty. The British nation had shirked its duty over The drink question in the past, and t,)-da.?,- they were punished as the de- faulting Roman soldiers were; practically every tenth man suffered physically or otherwise from the wretched traffic. If some of them were fortunate enough to escape it was merely by accident and at any moment someone near and dear to them might be called upon to pay the penalty. It was. therefore, the dutv of all to make some sacrifice in their nation's causo (loud applause). After a well-rendered song by Miss Madge Owen, of Llangoed, the President called upon Sir Thos- Whittaker for his address. SIR THOMAS WIIITTAKElrS ADDRESS. Immodiateily his name was mentioned the assembly rose to their fe?t as one man, and for some time the cheering was deafening. Seldcm has anyone received so flattering a reception at the Pavilion. He "aid it was a pleasure to come down to look into the faces of the people who had returned Sir Herbert Roberts to Par- liament (c-heers). Sir Herbert and he had been together in the House of C mmons for sixteen years of varying fortunes. lie had bad some means of judging of their President's work, and could well undersrand the enthusiasm WI; h ¡ which his constituents had sent him to Parlia- ment (cheers). Referring to the President's allusion to the claims of Wales, he said that ihe great difficulty in the temperance movement was that everything to be done by legislation depended upon the convictions, opinions, and character of the people among whom it had to work. Wales, on this question, was far ahead of England, and was entitled to have more than England got a.nd not to be kept behind because England lagged (applause). The great fight in which the Government and their tem- perance supporters were engaged was more than a mero fight for temperance, greatiliough that was. It was a struggle for the master* re- tween the State and a trade, between money and public well-being; between monopoly and poverty and democracy, purity and prosperity THE LEGAL POSITION. Proceeding to deal with the legal position, Sir THOMAS said this had been settled perfectly clearly by the law courts of the land. The original object of instituting and granting licences was that the State should exercise its control over a difficult and dangerous trade. Therefore, it was decided that only a limited few and specially selected people should be allowed to go into the trade. They were only to be licensed for one year, and come up again at the end of each year, if they wished to renew the licences, in order that the justices had an opportunity of de- ciding whethor it was desirable in the public in- terest that the licence should go on for another year. Their opponents talked of an understand- ing. Where was the understanding? Where was the record? Where was the deed? (loud applause). Then they were told that the State had not exercised its right. The opposition talked about THE DOCTRINE OF ESTOPPEL. If a man owned land or property and a neigh- bour put up a window overlooking the propertv, and the man did not take steps to protect him- self by putting up a wall or board to block up the window or by making the neighbour pay an acknowledgment for it, the man would in course of time lose his right. It was some such right as that that their opponents told them had been lost in connection with the licences. The con- tention was obviously wrong because in the first place the State had exercised its right, and be- cause in the second place it had protected itself by requiring the annual renewal and annual payment of the rent, so to speak (loud applause). A man who had lived in and paid rent for a house for many years did not argue that he owned the house because the landlord had not turned him out at a given time (cheers). Good conduct, good character, and the suitability of the premises had always bpen essential to the re- newal of a licence; nevertheless, it had always been in the power of the State to readjust the conditions By the Act of 1379 and 1830 the off- beer licences of the country were placed in pre- away the power of the off anti-'69 beer houses. What did the liquor trade, or rather the on- licence holders, then do? They promoted a Bill and got it carried through Parliament to take away the power of the off anti-'6 beer houses. If it was just and equitable to withdraw a special privilege from the off anti-'69 houses why was it now "iniquitous" and "confiscation" to do for the "ons" what they had themselves done for the "offs?" (loud and prolonged applause). The late Mr George Candy, known as the "Attorney General to the Liquor Trade," had, it was in- teresting to recall, once said that the on-licensed holders, in promoting that Act, had prepared a whip for the backs of others, but which would some day be used on their own backs (hear, hear). Continuing, Sir THOMAS said they did not charge death duties upon licences, but upon any- thing and everything that a man died possessed of whose value was taken on the market value. The Inland Revenue dealt with licences in pre- cisely the same way as it dealt with everything else. If a man died who owned a racehorse which had won a race, and was a valuable animal, his executors would have to pay death duties upon the value of the animal as it stood then; the horse might turn out a regular duffer after- wardq (laughter). British South Africa shares, known as "Chartereds," ran up a few years ago to £8 and £9 a share, but they were now valued at only 16s per share. Nevertheless, had any- body died who owned any of the shares at the time they fetched L8, the death duties would have been payable on that value not on their present value (hear, hear). "But surely," said their opponents, "you must admit that there has been a good deal of money invested in this trade?" Ho admitted that at once, but those who induced the people to put their money into it knew the risks (hear, hear). The moneyed brewers knew that licences were precarious, and that there was always a chance that they would not be renewed. TRADE VIEWS. From a prospectus of the Licensing Insurance Corporation, issued in 1891, he quoted extracts showing that the trade itself recognised then that their licences were in a precarious state. The trade were offered fourteen years' notice of the nation's intention to secure full control of the licensing monopoly. One year's notice would be quite just, and if that "other place" threw out this Bill they might find it would be done next year (cheers). Alluding to Mr Balfour's statement that the earlier closing of public-houses in Glasgow had led to an increase in the arrests for drunkenness, Sir Thomas showed that since 1903, when the Act was passed, Glasgow had in- creased its boundaries and had developed a won- derful tramway system, tending to bring in people at nights from the outskirts. The police- men who made arrests were not required to get up early next morning to give evidence, and there were consequently more arrests. The Licensing Bill, even as it stood, was the finest temperance measure ever proposed in this country, and the Government was not afraid to spend Its great majority in benefiting the people, to whom it was pledged (cheers). Mr Balfour had said the other evening that the Old Age Pension Bill of the Government was a vote-catch- ing Bill. Their opponents did not say that of the Licensing Bill—(cheers and laughter)—but he had every confidence that the sons of the men who had built the mightiest empire and colonised the earth as no other nation had done; the sons of the men who had struck with Cromwell for religious liberty and taught crowned heads and mighty prelates a lesson that would never be forgotten; the sons of the men who had set the world an example during the last few oenturies in the march over-the road of civil and religious freedom were not to bow the knee to the whiskey cask and the beer barrel—(loud and prolonged cheers-the audience again rising en masse). On the motion of the RECTOR OF ABER- FFRAW, seconded by "PLENYDD," a resolu- tion supporting the Licensing Bill was unani- mously passed midst great cheering. A vote of thanlw was accorded the speakers and the chairman, on the motion of Canon RO- BERTS-who congratulated Sir Thomas Whit- taker upon "having disposed so effectively of all the objections raised against the Licensing Bill"seco:i,led by the Rev. JOHN HUGHES, M.A., Liverpool. In acknowledging Sir THOMAS WHIT- TAKER thanked the audience for the manner in which you have listened to a mere English- man taking to Welshmen upon a matter which they practise very much better than we do." The proceedings terminated with the Doxology.