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COLWYN BAY URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL WATER SUPPLY: A REASSURING STATEMENT SUCCESSFUL DUST PREVENTION EXPERIMENTS. RHOS PROMENADE GARDENS. Mr D. 0. Williams presided over the monthly meeting of this Council on Tuesday. There were aJao present: Rev. Wm. Hughes, Messrs J. Dicken, E. H. Davies, G. Bevan, H. Hughes, J. Williams, Hugh Davies, T. Hoskins, Bliss Hill, Hugh Evans, Wm. Horton, Edward Allen, W m. Davies. Chas. Reynolds, D. Gamble, with the Clerk (Mr J-amee Ampldet-t), the Deputy-Clerk (Mr Jos. H. Roberts), the Engineer (Mr Wm. Jones, C.E.), the Sanitcry Inspector (Mr W. Henry Jones), and the vCollector (Mr Ijewis Jonec). RHOS PROMENADE GARDENS. Tho General Purposes Committee reported hav- mg under consideration tho laying out of the land in connection with the Combermere Lodge property, and they recommended (1) that the grounds be allowed to remain in their present state for the coming season; (2) that 20-feet of the southern boundary wall and 10-fect of the northern boundary wall be taken down; (3) that a. footway, 10 feet wide, be formed alongside the carriageway from the new promenade to Rhos promenade; (4) that twelve scats or such number of seats as can be spared from the promenade be placed on these grounds when tidied up; (5) that the underground building against the sea. wall be left in its present state and fastened up for the season; (6) that the rooms in the north- east angle of the sea wall be offered by tender and let as a refreshment-rcom, and with a right to serve tea, etc.. in the grounds; (7) that, an ad- vertisement be inserted in the press inviting tenders for al fresco entertainments by min- strels, pierrots, or band. Speaking of the sixth recommendation, Mr Hoskine dwelt on the desirability of making it essential that those tendering for the catering rights should reside within the area under the Council's jurisdiction. Mr Bliss Hill disagreed with this, urging that the tendering be left open on the understanding that preference be given to a local person if his price ii-i within reasonable reach of that offered by outsiders. Mr Hoskins said this would satisfy him. and the whole report was adopted. WATER SUPPLY: A REASSURING STATE- MENT. The Sanitary Committee reported that the sur- veyor had intimated that the water supply for the last few weeks had been greatly diminished owing, he presumed, to the increased consump- tion now that the season was advancing. Com- plaints received from residents in the Vicinity of "I Queen'« Hotel, Colwyn, Nantyglyn-road and C-oed Peiia-read, Colwyn Bay, iiad been tubmitted to the meeting. It. was reported that the opera- tions at the pumping station of the Llysfaen water supply took place at inconvenient times, and the surveyor wa.s directed to confer with Mr Levi John, surveyor to the rural authority, to arrange times for pumping. The surveyor had been also authorised to utilise the Upper Colwyn Bay supply to tide over present difficulties. The oonitect" ri of the new 15-inch main at Sarn Mynac-h had been satisfactorily carried out by the Joint J^oa-rd on the 29t.h ult. Mr T. Hoskins said people were anxious to know before letting their houses what were the prospects in reference to the completion of t.he new water supply scheme, and he suggested that a definite statement be made on the matter. Mr J. Dicken replied that lie happened to have been at the offices of the engineer of the Cowlyd Water Board the day before concerning the same question. Mr Farrington was not in attendance in person, but the manager of that particular department assured him that the contract in re- gard to the new main would be carried out in the specified time, namely, July 14th (hear, hear). The work waei now practiealiy finished except that part which croesed t.he river. As far as he (Mr Dicken) cx),uld see they should be able to achieve t.heir object if thev had anything like or- dinary luck (hear, hear). The engineer was pushing on the contractors as much as he could. He was sorry to say that the higher levels of Colwyn Bay suffered more than they should do, because the railway company drew largely on the mains at- Llandudno Junction in order to feed their engines. He thought the company shpuid refrain from that- practice, having regard for the fact that the water was 90 much wanted j for dome-tic PUfl in Upper Colwyn Bay (near, hea.r). He had called the attention of the Bor- ough Surveyor of Conway to that matter, and that gentleman had promised to communicate with the company at onco. Much extra water was also used at present in supplying the V oIun- teers encamped on the Conway Morfa. but he was assured that the Corporation supplied them from their own reservoir. Taking everything into consideration, he thought- the position was fairly satisfactory (hear, hear). COMPLAINTS ANENT PIGGERIES. In reference to the complaint made by Mr Ellis Lever as to an alleged nuisance at- the pigyeries a.i Bryn Eurvn the Inspector an inspection made of the p^ace by Dr. fe. Jc,,uty.modic.,l officer of iKolth, who come to the conclusion that there wa„ no BUl. S3JMr Bliss Hill said he differed very much from the Deputy Medical Offioer of Health on that matter. He passed the piggeries in f ?he verv frequently, and if he knew anything^o law" of suoh matters there was a decided ■sance inasmuch as the smell emanating from thore was most offensive to people passing along the public thoroughfare close by.. Mr Wm. Horton said! he also lned not far away, and passed the spot ^'wided nui- piggeries were m hw opinion a decided Sa*Mr Jos. Dicken: The Deputy Medical Officer of Health, who has been there, says there IS Hill: He has only been there once, and purely people who paas the place constantly know more about it. iT.*tine Mr E- H. Davies moved, and Mr JiosKins seconded, that the Sanitary Committee be in- structed to investigate the matter on the spot Mr G. Bevan But would the committee have power to go on the farm f ] Mr E. II. Daviee: I suggested notmng 01 tne sort. If there w a nuisanoe it exists on the The Clerk As a matter of fact a local autho- rity have power to inspect unoer such orcum- S^\[r |v H. Davies: There you are! i.laugh- t<?Tho motion was carried. LAND FOR ALLOTMENTS WANTED. The Allotments Committee reported discussing the Sma.U Holdings and Allotments Act 1907 an outline of whose provisions had oeen given bv the clerk. The applications for ments, numbering eleven, were presented to tne meeting, and after-consideration it was re solved, "as a preliminary, taat an ;Khen mout be inserted in the local press in\itmg offers of land suitable for aUotnients for or letting on lease in and near Colwyn twy, with full particulars, the same to be brought be- fore the next meeting of this com mat tee Tht> report was adopted- w n m: 11 ALL AND EVERARD ROADS. The Clerk reported that the Chairman of the le' Highways Committee, aooompanied by the surveyor and himself, had met Sir R- E. Birch with reference to the expense of placing tne above roads in proper repair for adoption as public highways, and1 that after discussing tne matter at some length it was agreed that tne Caylev Estate contribute the sum of B200 in respect of WliitehaJl-road (the Council had es- timated the expense at £ 300, ana the estate had previously offered £ 100). With regard to Ever. ard-road "the terms arra-nged were that the es- tate would provide and lay metalling, steam rolling to be done by the Council, the Council and the estate to each defray half the cost Of repairing the footways. It was pointed out that under tne Light Railway OrJr the Council were to take over such roads on the Cayley Estate as were traversed by the railway. It was resolved that the offer of £ 200 m re- spect of Whitehall-road bo accepted: and tnat the survevor prepare a statement < claim for damage caused to the footways bv. the con- tractors by reason of the construction of th railway; further, that the question of the re- pair of Everard-road be held in abeyance for the pr GATES FOR PUBLIC PATHS. The committee reporting (m this matter. stated: "In accordance with instructions the surveyor submitted quotations from five nrrns for supplying 50 bow gate* for public paths, am} the lowest by Messrs Hill and Smith amount- inc to £ 68 15s, is recommended f°r acceptance, meanwhile the surveyor w as directed to ^uir« if the firm were prepared to sun-ly a tho quantity, viz., one dozen gates at the same PrMr Geo. Bevan pointed out thai —rfrFE™ commended for acceptance bo struck out. The Chairman explaip^d that the committee reallv had no intention to do anything other than inquire whether Messrs Hill and Smith could sup- ply a dozen gates at the same proportionate price as they offered to supply fifty. Mr Bevan'» motion was adopteu. MAINING ROADS. It was resolved to recommend the County Coun- cil to main Station-road and Llanelian-road (Aber- gele-road to the boundary of the district), Old Colwyn; Penrhyn, Station, and Sea View-roads, Brompton-avenue, and Llandrillo-road, as well as Llanrwst-road, Colwyn Bay. DUST PREVENTION EXPERIMENTS. SURVEYOR'S FAVOURABLE REPORT. Reporting on experiments carried out with Plaseom in the Conwav-road to check the dust nuisance, the Surveyor now stated:—"It is mv opinion that Plascom-formed roads will wear wefl and evenly, and in the end will prove clteaper than tho ordinary form of road construction, with macadam and shippings consolidated in the usual way with water, because of the longer life given to the surface when Plascom is used with the stone. Less watering will also be required and the scavenging of the road can now be thorough- ly done owing to the impervious surface formed by Plascom. The cost of this experiment works out at Is 9d per superficial yard, as against 33 9d per superficial yard for tar-pavement, 4s per yard for tarmac, and Is 3d per yard for the ordinary macadam construction. Hitherto our main road has been coated with granite about once every three years, and it is asserted by the manufac- turers of Plascom that their compo will give a longer life to the road surface of from 50 to 66 per cent. In that case it will be observed that it is the cheapest form of road construction known as the annual cost only amounts to 4.67d per yard, as against 5d per yard for ordinary macadam per annum. The total cost of treating with Plascom the whole of the main road from Queen's Hotel to Brompton-avenue at the same price as we have paid for this experimental length will be about £ 3000, but I fear that until some re-arrangement of the taxation for highway repairs is made, and some basis adopted whereby contributions can be obtained from the Imperial Exchequer to be devoted solely to the particular purpose of road improvement, such expenditure as mentioned can- not be incurred by local authorities such as ours. With regard to persuing further the abatement of the dust nuisance I shall be glad to receive the committee's instructions in the matter, and with this object I would suggest that the Conway main road, between PwliN Icrochan-aveiiiie and Brompton-avenue be tar painted at a cost of £ 37, and that ten tons of calcium chloride be procured at a cost of £ 25 for treating Abergele main road." It was resolved that the recommendations of the Surveyor be adopted. AFON GANOL BRIDGE. It was reported by the Surveyor that the new iron footbridge on the boundary of the district across Afon Ganol had been erected and opened for traffic. The total outlay, including the two bow gates, was £ 56 and J64 less than the esti- mated cost. A certificate in favour of the contractor for the ironwork, etc., for J642 2s lOd was presented and passed. The Highways Committee reported consider- ing a letter from Mr II. Bliss Hill, slating that the rails on the Rhos Promenade appeared to be laid too far from the parapet on the sea side of the road, and that the turn out of Rhos-road on to the Promenade would in that case be exceedingly dangerous. Mr Savers produced a plan of the line at this curve, and examined the same with the com- mittee. A proposition to divert the line by placing the rails nearer the opposite side of the road was de- feated, the proposer and seconder only voting therefor. Mr Bliss Hill now emphasised the points in- dicated. in his letter, and said that on Monday he had seen three tramcars at the corner at the same time, and a very serious accident had been once narrowly averted in consequence of the blocked traffic. In reply to a Member, The Surveyor said the roadway was 14ft. 6in. wide, at that point, thus affording plenty of room for two carriages to pass one another between the tramcars and the curb. Mr E. H. Davies said he was sorry Mr Bliss Hill had not been present when some of the coun- c-illors went over the route with the Board of Trade Inspector, on Friday, because he felt sure the matter would then have been satisfactorily dealt with. He thought Mr Hill's letter should have been produced by the Surveyor so that the Inspector's attention could be called to the spot. The Surveyor remarked that the letter had been sent not to him but to the Chairman, who had duly submitted it for the consideration of the committee. Mr Bliss Hill said Mr Davies had been misled by his (the speaker's) statement. He had been under the mistaken impression that the letter had been addressed to the Surveyor. It was decided on the motion of Mr Bevan that Mr Bliss Hill and Mr T. H. Morgan met the Surveyor on the spot and arranged matters in the best way possible. ABERGELE-ROAD WIDENING.. The Surveyor reported. that Mr Owen Lloyd had taken objection to the lines adopted for the road widening improvement proposed opposite his property, and that a sub-committee had met Mr Lloyd, but nothing had been settled. It was resolved that the matter be left with the sub-committee. A letter from Messrs Porter and Elcock, estate agents, had been received, respecting the land belonging to Mr J. 0 Navies, builder, and the Clerk and Surveyor were directed to arrange the matter. The solicitors to the owners of the Central Hotel wrote urging the Council to request the removal of the telegraph post recently put up opposite the hotel. The Chairman of the Council and the Chair- man of the Highways Committee (Mr John Wil- liams) were authorised to deal with the mat- ter. > COUNTY COURT SITTINGS. A letter was read in committee from Mr J. Herbert Roberts, M.P., with further reference to the application to the Treasury regarding County Court sittings, and suggesting that an under- standing be arrived at with the County Council for the use of the pounty Building?, Colwyn Bay, for that purpose. The Clerk stated that the County Council were in communication with the Treasury on the mat- ter. METEOROLOGICAL OBSERVATIONS. The Survevor reported that he had now been successful in getting the Meteorological Office to publish the daily weather report of Colwyn Bay, so that a. telegram is sent every evening at a cost of six pence. The returns will ba published in the daily and rrvrnthly reports issued by tho dcp.irt.mcnt, and to secure prime of tho publication Z.I scription of JB1 per annum is payable- In the intores* of the district it wa6 recom- mended that the subscription be paid, and that the reports be hung up in front of ihe Council Offices for the public information. A long and uninteresting discussion k plaor- as to whether the notice hoard should L>: placed. Mr W m. Davies protested strongly against fixin\g it up on tine municipal buildings, for the very good reason that "not one in a thousand' of the townspeople nor visit-ors ome up here to see anythiug on these wulls." Ho urged that the board be fitted up just inside tiie gates at the entrance to the buildings. Mr Allen urged tliat the notices be displayed in the oas>e fixed by the T.A-A. on the electric lamp-post in front of tho Met-opole Hotel. Others urged tha.t it be provided with place all on its own" on the lamp-poet- at the top of Ion-road. but After a. protracted debate Mr Wm. Davies motion was carried. CONFERENCE OF PRESBYTERIAN CHURCHES. Having regard for the fac that the annual conference of the Erngliah Presbyterian Churches will bo hold for the first time at Colwvn Bav on September 28th, 29th. and 30th, the Rev John Edward, pastor of the (x^wyn Bay church, wrote inviting the Council tOlppoint a day other than September 30th (lhe usual day for tiic annual harvest festival in the townl. The Clerk was directed to reply, stating that- the Council could nor see their way to depart from the regulation fixing the dav'of the fee- t-ival. ANOTHER NUISANCE CHECKED. The Manager of the Elecrricity Works report- ed that tho ai" pump motor of the ondenser had arrived, and be hoped there wo-uld be no more cause for oomptiaint with regard to noise and vibration caused at the works. The manager h»d Lveu questioned1 as 10 the working (Of the electricity concern, bearing in mind the decrease in generation, and certain economies were suggested. THE GASWORKS. The report of the manager of the Gasworks (Mr J. C- Pennington) was presented for the pa.st month showing gas made 4.329,000 cubic feet—an increase of 530.000 cubic feet on the corresponding month of last vear STREET LIGHTING. It WAS resolved that the lighting of the stieer. lamjw be discontinued from now until the middle of July, excepting those on the main road PAINTING THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. Four tenders were opened for the above" or k according toO a specification prepared by the surveyor. It was resolved, that the lowest tender bv Mr W*. Hodgkins, Llewelyn-road, for Cil 10s be ac- cepted- NEW PROMENADE INSPECTOR. Forty applications had been received for the p3st of promenade inspector at- the wages of 25- per week in summer and 20s per week during the winter mont.hs. On the reocnlmendation of the Finance Com- mittee it was decided that J. W. Smith, ot II Mostyn-road. Colwyn Bay, be appointed pro- vi-ck-d he agreed to give his services winter and summer. SHUNTING NUISANCE. I Mrs Lowe, of the Imperial Hotel, wrote ask- ci ing the Council to take steps to bring to an end1 the nuisance caiieed by the shunting of cattle and other trucks on the line in front of of the hotel. The Clerk remarked that tiat was one of the matters which the Council had arreed to call the attention of Lord Stalbridge to on the oc- casion of his prt>nus»ed visits to Cojwyn Bay- Mr Wm. Davies said there was no doubt 'but that Mr Lows grievance was a serious one, for not only the hotel people, but ail the resi- deiIT* in Priiicos Drive sufierod in the same way. the shunting frequently going on all night. IIo proposed that a letter be addressed the rail- way authorities at Chester. Mr John Williams spoke much in the same strain and seconded, whilst The Rev. Wm. Hughes, in supporting, de- plored the f#ct that, ovrpers of property could not claim compensation for damage caused to sur- rounding property under such conditions (hear, hear). Mr E. H. Davies said that as one who lived on the spot he heartily supported the motion. The shunting was not only an annoyance to resi- dent.s, but a source of danger to drivers of horses At. the same lili-ie passing that way. At the same time he thought Mrs Lowe herself should do something to re- I medy another nuisance in that vicmitv, namelv, the improvement of the very dangerous corner so frequently discussed. She could do much to assist the Council in the matter. Mr Davies' motion was carried, and it was also decided to write reminding Lord Stalbridge of the visit he had promised to make to Cõlwyn Bav. SWIMMING FACILITIES. A letter from the Secretary to the Excelsior Swimming Club requesting the Council's permis- sion to effect a proper opening through the iron railings intervening between the club's pavilion and the sea, and for other improvements was referred to committee. So also was a letter from the Vicar of Lian- drillo (the purport of which will be found in our correspondence columns) with regard to the ur- gent need of improving the dangerous corner of the road near Llandrillo Church. TOO MANY TRAMS. Mrs Lehmann, of Conway-road, wrote com- plaining that while it was originally understood the tramcars would be running through the town once every twenty minutes or half-an-hour, they had been running every five minutes on Whit- Monday. This would, in her opinion, seriously affect the value of houses letting apartments en route. The letter was left on the table. BAD ROAD AT RHOS. Mr F. C. Meier, of the Rhos Abbey Hotel, wrote complaining that the Council had not yet repaired the road leading to the motor garage and stables at the rear of the hotel, as promised, though the new sewer had been laid months ago. Mr Bliss Hill called attention to another road near by which also called for immediate atten- tion. The letter was referred to committee, the Sur- veyor being instructed to see that the road was rolled in the meantime. NO. 8 TRAMWAY SECTION. The Tramway Company wrote stating they would be unable to proceed with the "No. 8 Railway"—the section laying between Station- road and the Dingle, or Groos-until the. end of the season, because the Council's arrangements had not been completed. Mr Bevan asked whether something had been done with a view to obtaining land from the Cay- ley Estate for the purpose of widening the road at Brompton-avenue, where a sharp curve had become much more dangerous now that the trams were running. The Surveyor replied in the affirmative, and said that a small committee who had interviewed Mr Birch, had been promised the necessary land provided the Council carried out the necessary work. In answer to Mr Chas. Reynolds, who said the curve referred to called for instant attention, The Surveyor said it was intended to make the roadway at that point 36ft. wide, with paths of 6ft. in width. Mr Geo. Bevan proposed that Mr Birch be urged to give land to make the path 9ft. wide for that was very desirable. It was eventually agreed that a small sub-com- mittee discussed the matter with Mr Birch. THE PAVILION CONCERTS. Mr Edward Allen asked whether the special committee formed to supervise the Pier Pavilion concerts had yet reported on their work? Mr J. Dicken: No; the members have joined the directorate now (laughter). Mi Allen said there had been crowded audi- ences at the concerts during the last few evenings and it was a matter of importance whether those people went away with a good or bad impression of the concerts. Ho proposed that the committee met and prepared a report as soon as possible. lr D. Gamble said that though the committee had not met he might say that in his private capacity he had attended the concert held on Saturday evening for the first time, and he thought there was a very good concert, a very good audience, and that all the audience were thoroughly satisfied with the programme (beat hear). Mr Allen said he was quite prepared to accept Mr Gamble's statement as a gentleman, but he wanted something from him as a c-ouncdior and a member of the committee (loud laughter) The matter subsequently dropped, it beintr tacitly agreed that the committee be called to- gether soon. THE SURVEYOR'S TRIP. A letter was read inviting the Council to ap- point their Surveyor to represent them at the annual meeting of the Municipal Engineers' So- ciety, at Nottingham. Mr E. II. Davies said that as the meeting wa1 not held in a seaside place the proceedings woufi be of comparatively little help to the Surveyor, and for t.hat reason be would oppose any motion in favour of granting the request. No action was taken. At a later stage, Mr E. H. Davies intimated that the Surveyor had just called his at to the fact that another meeting of the engineers was to be held at Blackpool next Saturday and he moved that he be permitted to attend that. Mr Dickcn seconded, and this was agreed to.

English and Welsh Markets. CATTLE. UVEBPOOL, Monday.—There was a VSry emaM i ply of eauie in market to-day, but. quite sufficient for the demand, which WM of the usual I-M. character. Only a few choice beasts made last week's top quotation, rough .descriptions being difficult to sell at iower puces. A decrease of 2,000 in the num- ber of sheel, and Iamb; in market. This had a beneficial effect on trade, ana an early clearance was readily e2i-eted. Mutton unaltered in value, lambs uearer. Prices: Beef 7fd U> od per lb. muttun 9d t* 61d per tb. lanji) 10jd to 9d per lb. At market, ai;<J A,817 htieep and iambs. Tuesday —Meagre supply. Cattle »nd sheep unaltered. Pigs firmer Quotations Best acrelords < ;d_; bulls and eow« od to 5Jd siiort- t0 J calves 7d to iid wether sheep 7jd 'j(: ewes and rams SJd to 7d lambs lOd per b- bacon pips 9s: portets 2d sows Cs to 6s 3d per score. SALFORD. Tuesday. -Trade very dull in ail classes 1 prices not quotabiv lower. Sheep and t7?/* cbang-cd from last week. At market: On i, li ep an,] calves, 132. WJot.uons. Beasts Sjd ty 7>4<I sheep 7d te laml». M to iOjd cajves Gd to Sjd. 'I EGGS, Etc. Thursaa.i.—Butter lOd per lb.; freak u* £ per lb.; mutton 7d M per lb. lamb is per lb. veal 7d to Sd per lb. pork od to 8d per lb lutlt pigs 10s to 15s each fat p.g-fc 3^d per lb.; fowts Is 6d tj each: duck# f! tc> Cd eu'n potatoes y» to i(te per sack oata 1/k to lie per quarter. LLANBVt SI, luesday.—Fresh Uutter ]s per lb ■ fowls is per couple; ducks 4s t>d ESSS lb ior IS' potatoes (Jerseys; lto to 2d per lb. beef 6d to 10d per lb. mutton 6d to 1M per lb.; veal Od to t>d; perk 5d to 1 d per lb. lamb 3s per lb. fat pigs 3id P?Mrh ;l* £ ?r,n I'?' J'er 1051bi-; oats fee 6d per iOdlbs. I nLLiihLI, Wednesday.—9jd Per lb. • 6g 6d per li30; spr;ug chickens 3s 6d to 4s (id per couple; fowls 28 4d to 2s öd per couple; fat pigs t>id per lb. I (lung pigs 15s to lSs; beef 6d t o M per Ib mutton 7d t.u lOd pct 1U pork, (id to 9d per lb.

Births, Marriages, and Ueaths. MARRIAGES. DAA IES—WHITEHEAD.—June 8th, ai Zin Chapel, Oswestry, by the Rev. D. Beese, in the absence of the Key. W. Wilhamas Oorwen, Hugh Eliie, second son of Mr Edward Davies, lb, Arundel-road, Oswts- try, to Emily Whitehead, daughter of the late Mr James Whitehead, of Stafford, and step-daughter ol the late Mr Jones, confectioner, Bridce-street OJr. wen. WILLIAM S- ]RUSSELL. -June 6th, at All Saints' Prince s Park, Liverpool, by the Rev. John Wil- liams. M.A. (father of the bridegroom), assisted by i f A vT" r,4\IDd'e' M-A-> vjcar, and the Hev. > Co^cn' B" St. Cyprian's, Edge-hill, Ljcweixn Briscoe, eldest son ol the late Rev. John Williams, Mcar of Lake Vyrnwv, North Wales, to Jin 1Q'ef' 1;V0,un^eRt daughter cf the late Jamr* Rus- Li ve rpool1 pr Mrs Russell, Pr.nce's I'ark, DEATHS. GREU,SON.-On Saturday. June 6th. at l'iestatvn, the result of an accident. Waiter Gregscm (late* of 1, ^ccreli-street, Higher BroughtOD), aged 47 years. Interment at SaJford CeineterVj Wea.st*> on Tbur^ day. LUKE.—On tire 4th inst., at ]2. St. Paul's Terrace, Bang-or, William Luke .for over 47 years on the L. and N. W. Railway), agt'J S4 yeare MOSS.—June 7th, at 41,. Geneva-road, Seacombe George, only eon of the late John Moss, of Rhyl. and formerly of Chester. Interment at M'ailasev Cemetery, to-day (Thursday). ^ILLiAMS.—June 5th. in her .58th vear. Elisabeth, .the beloved wife of David William* Tre Hewt £ Bar.jjor.

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r ■ 8—— ODDFELLOWS AT CARDIFF The business of the A.M.C. of the ilacciieeter Unity of Oddfellows commenced on Monday morning at the Park Hall, Cardiff, under most favourable auspices. The following North Wales representatives wf-re present: Holyhead (1088): William D. Jones, Prov.C.S. Holywell (1673): Thomae C. Griffiths, Prov.C.S., and George Cain, P.Prov.G.M. Car- narvon (4252): Cadwaladr Davies, Prov.C.S., Wil- liam Jones, P.Prov.G.M., John Roberta, P.G., and William Roberts, P.G.

DENBIGH DISTRICT (the late). The directors have to report that the two re- maining members of the Clwydian Lodge, for whom provision had to be made, have been trans- ferred to lodges of the Liverpool district, into which they had previously been paying their con- tributions. The amount ascertained bv the actuaries K> be due to the lodges on the taking ever of such members has been paid.

IRISH RELIABILITY TRIALS. Messrs Humber are to be cordially congratu- lairfxi on their oonrinood suooe-gB-ea in competi- riorl held for the purposes of proving the gene- ral reliability. endtiranoe, hill climbing quali- ti. etc- of cars. At the recent reliability trials in Ireland, the little 10-12 KP. Humber Cll-r Iti-k first place, a.n waø awarded the Gold Medial ill t.be "C" L lass- The 15 h.p. Coventry Car took first plaoe, and was awarded the Silvei Medal in D" clase, and the Boeston Hun*» took second place m the "E" class SuchrS- finS Pr°Te of the leading Britwk fu

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tainly. I would qualify it in that way to be quite frank, because the question of a retjdciit minister comes in very much. I am suggesting thac no statistical account of the number of clergy or number of services can give any measure of such qualities and guts, or eloquence genius or piety and other like things. You would absent to that. Nor do such returns give any measure of the preaching pc-wer of the- clergy?—Certainly not.. Sir D. BRYNMOll JONES: Is it not a fact that less importance is attached in the Church of England to the preachi.ng of tne Gospel than 1Ii attached to that part of the ministry m tJit Nonconformist church ?-I should say that in the Church of England preaching is regarded as very important. Six DAVID: I assume that. WITNESS: There are other parts of the Church eystem which I think would be piaced in a position of greater importance than the Non- conformist would give to it-such as the sacra- mental system of the Church.. Is any effort being made Mi your Church to improve the standard of pulpit excellence, elo- quence or power? Preachers arc born, not made. Such things, of course, as puryit power are partly the gifts of naure, but still gifts of nature can be improved?—Certainly, ae far as education and training gv>; everything that can be done is (iiine to make competent preachers. Have you any system of special preachers r to supplement- the work of the parish clergyman. I suppose there is hardly a parish in the diocese where they do not have special preachers during Lent and Festivals and Harvest Homes. But there is no separate order of nreachere. -No. Questioned as to statistical returns furnished from his dioceee, he said that the hard work 111 oo-nnection with their preparation had been done by others than himself. He thought-, per- haps, if anything, the voluntary contribution h&d been under-stated rather than over-stated. With respect to the returns of oommunioant3 each clergyman made u- the list of those re- siding within his own parish. Sir BRYNMOR JONES:In your cuocese does the clergyman keep a roll of the communicants at his church? The BISHOP replied that there was a die- tinction between a roll and a list. A roll of communicants was kept by some clergy, but not by all. In the country parishes the clergyman knew the whole of the communicants, but in the larger parishes such as Wrexham, Mold, Denbigh, and St. Asaph, the clergy would keep a roll. The roll had no authoritative significance and there was no duty on the part of the in- cumbent to keep one. Questioned by Sir Brynmor Jones as to the number af baptisms which took place, the Bishop said they related to baptisms which were performed in churches. Private baptisms would be infinitesimal. Certain ixonconformLet baptisms were recognised by the Church for the purposes of ordination and confirmation. Sir D. BRYNMOR JONES said he suggested to the Lord Bishop of St. David's that the parish church and the site of the parish church was not "the provision ma.de" by the Church of England. The CHAIRMAN: I ventured to suggest when the question was put to the Bishop of St. David's that it ought not to have been put. We are bound by the terms of our reference. Sir David Jones quotes from the terms of the re- ference "provision made," but that has nothing to do with the question of good title. It is not a question for the Bishop of St. Asaph to answer but it is for us to answer. Sir DAVID said he did net agree with the construction which had been put upon the mat- ter by the Chairman. The CHAIRMAN: After all, I think the object of having a chairman is that someone shall be responsible for the conduct of the in- quiry. The BISHOP OF ST. ASAPH: I understand that you left it to the Bishop of St David to answer or not as he liked. The CHAIRMAN What I think I said was that if he refused to answer, I should not say anything to him. The BISHOP: I should very much prefer to answer. Sir DAVID was putting questions on the point when The CHAIRMAN (interposing) said: I must appeal to you as to whether it is just and rea- sonable that such questions should be put. Sir DAVID: We are receiving evidence on the point as to the "provision made" by the Nonconformist Churches. We have received their returns. They have built places of wor- ship at their own expense. We are including those in the returns under the head of "provi- SlOll made." We want to know the nosition in regard to the Church of England. The CHAIRMAN: The reason we include the question is because we had to answer the question whether or not the Nonconformists in Wales are financially in a sound position to carry on the work which they have so successfully carried on up to the present. Sir DAVID: My point for what it is worth is that the Church of England has not provided these ancient parish churches or the sites. The BISHOP:. May I, my lord, be accorded the same liberty that was accorded to my brother of St. David's- The CHAIRMAN: I am not sure that I did accord him the liberty (laughter). MOLD TITHE RENT. Sir DAVID. Do you say that the tithe rent levied upon add paid by the inhabitants of, say the parish of Mold, is a provision made by the Church of England for the spiritual welfare of the parish? The BISHOP: First of all the Church of Eng- land as a body owns no property at all. Sir DAVID: Quite, I assent. The BISHOP: The tithe belongs to the Church of St. Mary, of Mold, or wherever it may be. The Bishop instanced the case of a Noncon- formist chapel in Essex, which held so much tithe a year. Does that not belong to them (he asked), and is the provision made by means of that tithe not a provision made by the Non- conformists ? Sid DAVID: No, the provision is made by the persons who pay the tithe. The BISHOP: Do you mean to sav the people who give the tithe are the people who pay it? Sir DAVID: I don't mean to say anything of the sort. And you must not cross-examine me (laughter). The BISHOP: I want to be very clear on the point. The land is bought subject to the tithe paid on it. Sir DAVID: Do you mean to contend that this JC531 is a provision made by the Church of Eng- land?—Just as much as in the case I have cited. Sir DAVID next turned to the time when, as his question put it, there was no Church of ling- land in Wales. The BISHOP again cited the case of an old Parish Church in Wales, which during the troubles of the Commonwealth was taken over by the Congregationalists, and that church was now returned by them as provision made by them. "Our title to our churches is as good as that" (said the Bishop). Sir DAVID: Havr. you anything to add by way of answer? The BISHOP: I shall be delighted to pursue the subject. Sir DAVID: I only want to give you the opportunity of answering the question, so that I may not have to say in my report that you did not answer it. SIR BRYMOR JONES RESENTS CHAIR- MAN'S OBSERVATION. The CHAIRMAN suggested that Sir David 'hould study Professor E. A. Freeman on the subject, and Six DAVID warmly resonted the observation describing it as quite irrelevant. Continuing his examination Sir David asked, when did the Church of England first acquire any property in •W<tlet?—My answer to that is very clear. Vie Church of England as a single body has no pro- perty. The proporty belongs to the single churches. Was there any society of men which could be described as the Church of England in Wales before the Act of Union of IInry VIII.'s time. Do you mean any branch of the Catholic Church in Walee?—No, I mean the Church of England. Do you mean whell-er we accepted the autho- rity of Canterbury? Ni), my question is this, Was there a Church of England in Wales before the Act of Union?— There was the same Church before as ifterwards. It was always the Catholic Church, one and the .same Church with the same discipline, the same Sacraments, and the same ministry. Do you regard the Church of England as a voluntary society of men?—By voluntary do you mean whether they are cornled to be mem- bars ?—Yes. The BISHOP: I do not know where compul- sion oomes in. The CHAIRMAN: Are these not legal ques- tion? The Bishop cannot alter the law. Sir DAVID: I am giving the Bishop the op- portunity of giving his views on questions which may have to be discussed when we come to make our report. ^he CHAIRMAN: I don't think we can pos- sibly have to discuss them. We cannot have to discuss questions of law. Sir DAVID: It is a question of fact. The CHAIRMAN: Your question to the Bishop is a question of law. Sir DAVID (to witness): Do you think it would bo right to describe the Church pf Eng- land as exercising before the Act of Union authority in Wales? The CHAIRMAN: That is a question which as chairman I advioe you not to go into. The BISHOP: My answer is that the Catholic Church w,s there before the Act of Union and after the Union, and that it was the same Church. Sir DAVID: That ie all I have to ask. my iord biahop. Replying to Mr J. H. Davies, the BISHOP said that the clergy did not teach in the schools. Generally speaking", their work was that of su- pervision. THE CLERGY AND THE SUNDAY SCHOOLS. Answering further questions by Mr Davies, Witness said that few things were more impressed upon a young clergyman than visiting the day school regularly. Clergymen's work in con- nection with Sunday Schools was mostly as super- intendents. He did not think that many took classes, and he always discouraged it because of the Sunday services. There were, he thought, very few clergymen in Wales who would not turn into the schools on Sunday. But in a large parish like Wrexham a clergyman would not be able to take a class; he would just go in, see the class duly organised, and that the superintendent was there. Mr DAVIES: The main duty of the clergy, I take it, is pastoral visitation. WITNESS: Part of their duty. Mr DAVIES: You refer to it as 'next in order of importance?" WITNESS: I mean in the work of his parish. The Bishop of St. David's attributed large number of the communicants in his diocese to this pastoral visitation. Do you think that would be true of your diocese?—That is a very difficult question to answer, there are so many things that operate in different people. From the returns It appears that there are not mank week-night services in the rural parishes in your diocese? — I think there are very few parishes where there are not services at some time or other on week-days in the course of the year. What is the main work of the country clergy- man?—To supervise the instruction in the day schools and on Sundays in the Sunday Schools, but he has not very much to do in the way of services during the week. His time is largely taken up by pastoral visits? —Yes. Take a clergyman in a parish of 300. On Sunday he has his services and his Sunday School, and he visits his people during the week. It would be a stretch of imagination to describe him as hard worked, but I think lie is a very useful man. It requires a particular type of man to stand the monotony of a country parish and make himself useful in that way. The parishes are very ancient divisions. No doubt if you set about dividing the diocese again you would take different divisions?—Yes, except that I love antiquity. You have considered the question of the con- solidation of parishes?—Yes. And that arises from the fact of the inconven- ience of some being very large and others very small?—Yes; and there arc various reasons. We want to consolidate so as to give a man a living wage. In some parishes there is not enough work for a man to do, and it would be better if he had a larger area to supervise. Mr DAVIES: There is a great inequality in the size of the parishes, the number of com- municants, and the tithe rent charge or annual value of the benefices ?-It would be almost im- possible to have an institution of the great anti- quity of the Church in Wales without having some inequalities. That is a disadvantage which has been very considerably re-adjusted from time to time, but is still capable of further re-adjust- ment. In the case of a small parish, where there is a comparatively small number of communicants, where the annual value of the living is very high, — £ 300, or JMOO, or ;C500,-do you keep those liv- ings for the older The BISHOP (laughingly interposing): Men- tion one or two of such livings. I am afraid they are not in existenoe. I should like to have some at J5500 a year. Mr DAVIES: The nett value would be less now. If it were possible, I suppose you would welcome some system by means of which you could bring the larger and smaller parishes together, and give 1he more populous parishes- the advantages. WITNESS: Y, but one very re-maikable feature about it is that the parishioners them- selves object w. I think they ought to have a voice in the matter. The Commission adjourned for luncheon. BISHOP'S EXAMINATION RESUMED. Upon the Commission resuming, the exami- nation of the Bishop of St. Asaph was continued bv Mr DAVIES, who asked if a number of parishoo in the diocese were consolidated it would have the effect of reducing the nun.r of the local c.le.rgy? -Yes. Are there a large number of parishes in your diocese where the population is under 500?—1 have not analysed them, but there are certainly several under 500. I make out that 72 ere not of the 208?—It may- be so, but I cannot tell you about that. Ot course very often a Parish of 400 may mean a very largo acreage, and' that would involve a great deal of work. With regard to the services. You suited that according to your experience young people, al- though they might understand Welsh, preferred to^atfcend an English place cf worship ■—I a-31 noi. very happy about the word "prefer," by choice they would take the English service be- auoo they dQ their reading and their thinking in English, that is becoming truer of the whole of my di-oooee- It is the trend of things. How about Welsh parts such as Merioneth- shire ?—Don t you think they cling to the Welsh? h(,y have great affection for the Welsh, of course. I know of Welshmen who attend Welsh services in London and Manchester, and yet who dbn.t know the Welsh language. Such churches In London would be maintained volun- tarily, and I am not sure whether some of the clergy have not some other occupation. A considerable portion of the income of the clergy would be voluntary. Would the people pay merely for sentiment? —Don't you think so in Wales. If they pay for it they must attach grmt im- portance to it ?—I don't deny that. Ifee CHAIRMAN: A good many d rple who attend Welsh churches in London not understand Welsh. Mr DAVIES: It shows their liberality- it is a very pleasant feature. The CHAIRMAN: It depends upop the per- sistency of the applications (kuigmtcr). BILINGUAL SERVICES. Answering further question from Mr. Davies, tho BISHOP said he did' not beheA-e in bilin- gual services, and he had done all he ecu discourage them. His method had been to give the aervico just in Welsh, and then to begin de novo in English. Mr DAVIES: Is not that a. proof tliat you are considering the susceptibility of the Welsh c people?—I am considering the practical in- terests of the parish. And that there is a distinct need for these thoroughly Welsh services —I should u^t ques- ticsn that for a minute. It is a need I would meet most generously- If vou had' Welshman who had been ac- customed to worship in the Welsh service you would give him a Welsh service .—Certaimj. As regards the Sunday Schools we have a num- ber of adults attending those schools, but I don't think they would be ro large as thoe in tho Nonconformist jte nomination. r Do you think the adults attend the schools for mere motives of patriotism.?—No, but for the real love of discussing subjects in elsh, and for the profound iatercet- they take in the Sunday School.. The BISHOP was then examined as to the education of the clerirv. w)tl in reply to Mr Davies, said a considerable number of the clergy in Wales came from the Universities ot Oxford and Cambridge, whilst many graduated at Lampeter. He did not consider as a rule the biennial system gave sufficient preparation for a man for the ministry, but each case had to be taken on iM merits, and of the best clercy in the Principality had been brought up under that system. ORIGIN OF THE SCSTENTATION FUND. The Slistentation Fund., proceeded his LORD- SHIP, in further answer to Mr DLiik-,o, was first begun on tho suggestion of Mr Gladstone, and had been carried on entirely by one gentleman, the lion. Lawrence Brodrick, and it was quite one of the Illort successful movements of the Church in North Wales. Grants were received from the Additional Curates' Society and the Church Pastoral Aid Society. In the dioc<we they xtx-e; vod from the various 1 untie about ;C200 more tha.n they contributed. Questioned regarding religious pubbcations, and mentioning a religious journal m W elsh, the BISHOP observed that so iar as the young peo- ple were concerned he was afraid they nould pre- fer the "Daily Mail'' (laughter). foC, the "Daily Mail'' (laughter). The CHAIRMAN: Is there much fiction read in North Wales? A COMMISSIONER: Do you, Mr Chairman, include the "Daily Mail" amongst fiction (laugh- ter). t The CHAIRMAN: Oh, .no (renewed laughter). Mr DAVIES: One obstacle to closer relation between the Church of England and Noncon- formists in Wales is political feeling, is it not .— Do you mean that Churchmen all belong to one political party ? Yes, speaking-generally. The BISHOP: I don't know that t ne political antitheses are much stronger m Walen than they axe in England. I should not like to say that that was the dividing line. The BISHOP agreed with Mr Davies that there was a radical difference in the principles of Church government between the two bodies, and said that while every parishioner was a lay- man only those who were communicants of the Church of England could be appointed laymen to attend a diocesan conference. There were no difficulties as regarded ritualistic practices m the dioelwe. Mr DAVIES, referring further to the report of the Roval Commission on Ecclesiastical Disci- pline. quoted a statement a.9 to neglect to hold day services, and to that. being due to careless- ness or deficiency of rcepect for the Church. He asked whether t-hat existed in the diocese ot St. Asaph. WITNESS: We are hko the rest of human .n a t u re.. I dare say these things are ail operative amongst us as elsewhere. The CHAIRMAN: It is not worth while to hold services excepting for people to worship. If peoples' duties make it impossible for them to attend on week days it would be futile to bold servioee. Tho Church of Englasd, like the Uon- stitution of England is more or 3ess elastic, end adapts it-self to circumstances. Mr DAVIES: You are practically free from the troubles which some of the dioceses of England have with regard to ritualistic prac- tices ? WELSH SPEAKING BISHOPS. Mr J. E. GREAVES: The Bishop said that einoo the beginning of the last ccntury there had been eight Bishops of St. Asaph. How manv have been able to -speak W j entiy ?—I should have to begin with myself, and say whether I can (laughter). I know you can. WITNESS: I should say six out of the eight were unable to spealc Welsh. Has that, proved injurious to tho Liiurvh/ Well, of course, there are qualifications to that. Not knowing Welsh, would be a dwiinot o.suu- var.iage. „ I think the four Bishops now speak the lan- guage?—Yes. Is that calculate to bring the Cnurch much more into touch aud into c.oscr sympathy with the people?—\es. Do ou think that the great, revjviai wiuch ha undoubtedly taken plice within the Ohu.rcu dur- ing the las: 30 years is to be ascribed 10 the appointment of Welsh-speaking Bisi-ops; May I answer that with regarl to my own diocese9 The greatest revival took place in she dioce* of St. Asaph that has taken place in anv part of Wales, and that was between 1840 and 1870 It took place under the episcopacy of a Bishop who did .not, speak Welsh—Bishop Short. 1 (inl Dot saying this to get out of the Welsh difficulty, but there is the fact. I suppose vou would accept it as a general pro- position that it is highly desirable, and, indeed, necessarv that all the clergy m Wales should be able to preach fluently in the language of the country ?— Certainly where Welsh :s wanted. Arc "there any clergymen with a cure in the Wc-isti portion of vour diocese unable to preach fluently in Welsh?—As I have eaid, not. within mv knowiedge.. You say there are many instances in which the incomes of the clergy are augmented by voluntary contributions. Do you find that, where the vol- untary f,vstem very largely prevails that interest taken by the laity in Church matters is much more active than whece they are not called upon to make such an effort? There again it is a. matter of qualification. The voluntary svetom is seen at its best in the large parishes. In the small rural parishes there is not very much opening for voluntary CO,HaveUvou'anv shortage of candidates for IIo]y Oroers ?-No. Ours is a small diocese, and the demand is not so great as in others. In ri-ply to other questions, the BISHOP saId that Divine service without vocal music- would be almost incomprehensible to W elshmen. A "NATIONAL" CHURCH. Interrogated by Archdeacon Evans, the BISHOP said that the ordinary Church organi- sations were to be fyund in his diocese, and there was a considerable voluntary contribution made for the sustent-ation of the clergy. The clergy took part in the wprk of the Sunday School and he did not know of any staying away whilst the work was done by layme.n. Archdeacon EVANS: Do you consider that the Church in W ales deserves the nai ie or ^Th^BISHOP: What do you mean exactly by ^'eU^v national in the sense that vou sr^ak of the National Eisteddfod or the Welsh lan- guage?—I should like, in answer to the ques- tion to *av in regard to the WVlsh language that dolWd byMt GMstorjo, « tho authority of Mr Ivor James, in whicn he shoved the'Church, by translating the Bible and Jhf l4lS«'& inK w^h had II,. W«)sh la.nguage from extiiietion. The C.'IIAIRMA\ Are you right in a.tm- blrtoing that to the Church. Tho BISHOP: I gave my authority, Mr Gladstone and Mr Ivor James- T^e CHAIRMAN: 1 understood that was bv the Crown. The BISHOP: The expenses were not pro- vided by the Crown. Queen Elizabeth gave the order, but she took oare not in provide the mMr £ 'DAVIES: But did not the Privy Coun- °UThe BISHOP: There were no funds pro- vidod It was work done voluntarily. The Crown did not supply the funds, and it was a vorv expensive business. ■lie CHAIRMAN: I agree that funds were not provided- But there wv^ a later order, I think of Charles the Second. A very stern message wa« then sent to carry out the orders °fThee BISIbOP The Bible had been trans- lated "into Welsh a good deal before that time. I should say with regard to the question aeked by Archdeacon Evans that both Eisteddfod and IvV w«lsh larwruage were saved from extinction bftheChurch flSe Churoh, indeed, is Oe only institution in Wale# which can be called na- tional. (EXAMINATION PROCEEDING.)