The Welsh Coast Pioneer and Review for North Cambria

WEDNESDAY'S MEETING. THE PROPOSED NEW SHROPSHIRE DIOCESE. ITS EFFECTS UPON ST. ASAPH DIOCESE. THE BISHOP'S STRONG PROTEST. APPOINTMENT OF OFFICERS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS. Wednesday (yesterday) morning w devotee? to the business of the Conference, and a. discussion on "The proposed new Diocese 01 Siforopshire as it affects the Diooe > of St. Asa.ph," when the principal sneakers were Mr R. Lloyd Kenyon and Mr Ali-ivxl Wynne Cor- rie. The Bishop off St. Asaph presided over a re- presentative gathering, and he was accompan- 2Iecl on the platform by Chanoellor Trevor Par- kins, Dean Archdeacon Tnoraa?, ROIV. T. Redfern, .j.rctad!eacon W yrmo-Jones, Mr Wynne Come, Mr Ll Hugh-Jones, Rev. C. Leefiie Jones, Mr W. y. Hargreavcs, Col. Cora- wallis West, the Record or (Mr R- LhDyd Kanvon), and Mr P. P. Pennant- ST. ASAPH CLERGY SUSTENJATION FUND, The Council presented their tenth annual re- port in reference to this fund, and expressed tibeir pleasure in finding thai for the fourtn year in succession they had a balance of over £2000 to hMid over to the executive committee for distribution- "Since the close of the continued the report, "the fund has sustained a severe J'oas by the death of Lord Penrhyn, who was a gieoerous subscriber to it The Council have also to mourn the loss of the late Mr Charles Howell, who, for five years in succession ga.ve £100 to the fund- The last .Hutatment, which •waa unpaid at the date of his death, was moat jpefaerously given by his sisters, the Missea ■Howell, to whom tihe Council tender their meat hearty thanks. "The Deaneries of Denbigh and Lknu-w&t, Pendlyn and Mold all show substantial aaVanoea —'botih in the amounts subscribed, and in the munbor of subscribers. "Bv the kindness of Mr Basil Phillips, Col. Daviee-Cooke, and Mr J. Eldon Bankes, KG., garden meeting's foir the narash of Gw&rna- Bieiid, Llanieffrea and Northop ware heid and too was provided1- ira Johnson Jones crgan- i&od a similar meeting for the parish of Holy- ■weli, and a meeting was also held at Bryn- ford. All these meetings were wejl attended, and have greatly advanced the cause. In Mold Rural Deanery, the pain is reprcsonted py j355, and 80 new subscribers. Such local racberingB are the surest way of extending the fiijid on a broad, permanent basic—;by in- sulating in each individual Churchman his duty fco contribute something, however email, to the support of the ministry- Mrs Wynne Dorrie organised a. sale of work at Pa.rk Hall lor the fund whioh resulted in a very substan- tial addition to the fund. In October last the President of the Council invited the energy of Oswestry R.D. to a conference at Oswestry— an invitation which was readily responded to— and it ia hoped that good results may follow in the current year. "The personnel of the Council has suffered Borne important, losses durin.<? the year by the resignations of Mr Charles Wynn of the chair- manship of the Edeyrnao* Deanery, of Captain tBeat of that of Llangollen, owing to ill-health, of Dr. Brooks of the secretaryship of Rhos Deanery owing to his removel from the dis- trict,of Mr Cleaver d. the secretaryship of St. Deanery- The Council tender them their hearty thanks for their past services- Steps are being taken to fill the vacancies- Mr W. Bernard Lucas has kindly accepted the teoretaj-yahip of the Rhos Deanery. "Mr J. Watkinaon has once lf-oro evinced tie practical interest in the mnd by giving 1£100 for endbwrnieiit, which will be allocated to a poor benefice in due course. His last year's donation haa been offered to Bettws Caedewei and aooepted by that living, the btrasent value o* which is £128- To meet this, Jjord Joioey haa geoerouclv given £100, and •ppJication is being made to Queen Arone's Bounty few a grant of £200. wihkrti if successful wiU raise the value to £141. The total amount available for distribution this year is £2097 as compared with £2039 last year, when grants were made to 74 benefices- The Council reiport with eatia.aetiom that the grant from the Q.V.C.F. in London was raised' to £800; for this they tender the Q.V.C.F their foearty thanks, and tlhey feel encouraged by thria recognition of the necessities of the Dio- cese, and of the sacrifices and exertions made in the past &nd continued in the present by suibecribeira and workers far the fund. "PAST AND FUTURE. "The considerable decrease in the total from Rihos Deanery-a. regrettable feature of the present report-is partially accounted for by the non-receipt of the Colwyn Bay returns prior to making up of the accounts, also to the previous year having included some large special receipts. Whiie the total amount of the receipts and the very satisfactory increase of nearly 600 in the number of subscribers are evidence of the wide and increasing support extended by all classes ridh and nootr, to this most vital fund the Council desire to toint out that this support pe- Bcmts some striking anomalies in its distribution, as a reference to the subjoined tabte will show- In thbs corimeotion the Coun- cil desire to emphasise the paramount iniport- tunoe of inoroasing the number of individlual eubecribers- Parochial secretaries are asked to use their best endeavours to prooure as many subscribers as posenble-howùver small the amount of the individual subscription may be— and to be careful to forward the names of every contributor to their run-decanal secretary- "The IlfLJ of the fund1 is severe. To be can- did, the pressure on the beneficed clergy of inr crease-d' oemands on their purSes unaccompan- ied by any increase in their receipts, is caus- ing girave anxrety and driv-ation in mamy par- Btxnages where its existence is undreamt of by the laity. The Council warmly thanks aU, whether secretaries, collectors, or contributors, for their exertions in the nast. They confident- ly anticipate a continuance of this in the cur- rent year, and truey invite a more atreoiuous co-operation from those parishes which are at present lagging behind in their efforts." Tro report was adopted. THE CONSOLIDATION OF PARISHES- "The oommitttY) apoointed to deal wlith this question presented their report- They had met æveral times and oonsidfored the different as- pects of the subject entrusted to them, and had drawn up their recommendations under the three heads of (1) union of benefices; (2) con- solidation of districts; (3) new district or mis- sion centres," reported the Chairman (Aroti- deaoo:i D. R- Thomas). "Your committee do cot expect to effect appreciable financial economy by these means, the parishes are too poor for that; but they Confidently anticipate what is more important, a rreat economy in the work and efficiency of the living agents by the rearrangement of bou.nd.ariœ. Soma of the recommendations they think might be car- ried out with advantage at once; but others are more complicated and reouire local con- sideration of details- They request therefore that they should be considered' carefully by the parishes concerned, and they invite their critic- ism and suggestions- Tlie commutes recommended that the follow- ing suggestions be considered —1-—Union of benefices: That (a) Llanyohan be united to lilanynvs, with the condition that a curate be kept and a service given at Llanycban and at Rbewl at least every Sunday; (b) Liangwy- fan be united to Llandyrnog; and that under 1 and 2 Vie. c. 106 s. 17, the income and glebe should be exchanged so as to produce an equi- valent amount for some poor and populous dis- trict, such as Broughton or Southeea; (c) Gwaenysgor be united to Newmarket; (d) Efeneohtyd be united to Llanfw: c on the con- dition of a curate being kpt; and (e) Froa- gooh be re-united to its mother-parish of Llan- for. II—Respecting consolidation, by re-ar- rangoment at boundaries: That (a) Bettws Gwerrfvl Gooh bo enlarged by additions from Gwyd-dehvern, Llanfihangel G -vi-, and Cor wen; (b) Knockin by the transfer from Kinnerley of the T- of Osboston; (o) Alaesbrook be trans- renred to and worked1 from Lfeinymynooh; (d) LLangedwvn be enlarged bv the townships of Oai-thwyr and Banhaola lia from Llanrhaiadr M. (el Llanliugan, by the T. "f Dohrynfelyn and part of Dwyriew from Mana;on; (fj Aber- hafesp, by the western porticin of Llanllwch- faaiarn; (g) Manafon, portion of BerriQw; (h) portions of LJennefydd be trarrsferred to Cefu and Henllan; (i) Burton T- be transferred from Grecord1 to Rossett; (j), Mcchdrc T. to Llan- gystenvn; (k). part of Tre--non to Bettws- III—Regarding new districts and mission cen- tres: That (1) Beree and Soutsso.. be formed into a consolidated parish: (2) Maosbury. As- ton and YVootton be formed into a oonwojidated parish; (3) Trevor formed into a district with & new church near the Stat ion • (1) Fron in Llangollen, a.r"1 Pentre in Chirk be worked together; (5) Gobowcn. that a wnv ohtuch be built here as ttlie Parish Church of cngoed and bmd; (6) Llaruhos, that Deganwy be formed into a separate district, that a church be built .r Pernrhyns.de and a curate let;itl U-^ere; that a curate reside f rear St. Paul's; (7) LLan- ga-dwaladr, in lieu of the present services that the Im!1 Churoh be transferred from Fron- to Moelfre-, (81 EifaiLfhyd, a mission roam be erected bore for Llan.silin and* rhaiadr; (9) Pant. that a M.R. be provided and worked from Morton; (10) that nl"-on rooms be provided at Pent,robeirdd in Guild- field and Cxyfronyd<J in WehshpooL ARCHDEACXJN THOMAS moved: "That the committee be re-appointed, and that tlie report be submitted for conwide rat ion, sugges- tion or amendment by the several paru^es; that the parishes concerned be represented at a conference, and that their report be .sent to the Chairman of this committee before May 1st, 1908, and then oonsicfened by this commit- tee who Shall report to the next confer-enee." The Archdeacon added that though the com- mittee had gome oarefully into the question there were details the consideration of which could be better left to the parishioners them- selves- Tho first thing they should take into consideration, of course, was that the result would prove an improvement upon that obtain- able from the present machinery- COLONEL OORNWALLJS \VEST seconded, and said he had brought that question before the Conference held at Rhyl in 1892, since when it had mado no material progress. He thought the scheme would open up a very much larger field of usefulness for clergymen because at pre- sent there were some parishes which were so small that very little work existed for the c.ergy in charge of them. The REV. DAVID JONES (the Proctor) caid that provided he would not be stultifying him- self he would offer no objection to the step sug- gested in the motion provided the matter came up for definite consideration at a later date. He would, however, warn them that the Diocet=c of St. Asaph was the very last which could afford to adopt that scheme. They should re- member that not many years ago two-thirds of the income was in the hands of one family. It was after a great fight that the Pluralities Act had been pad, and he must further remind them that the g.n7at cry of the present was the dearth, of clergy (hear. hear). The BISHOP pointed out that as the details were to be discussed by the parishioners, it was undesirable that anything other than the general principle was dealt with at that meeting. MR P. P. PENNANT urged the meeting to adopt the report. The matter was put to a division, and de- clared carried unanimously. THE PAN-ANGLICAN CONGRESS. The REV. C. LESLIE JONES, the local secre- ta.ry, submitted a brief report of the work accom- plished in the diocese by the way of preparing for this Congress, and made a strong appeal for the complete support of Churohmen, especially in the matter of providing a thank offe-rin-- whioh will be presented by the Bishop on be- half of the aiocer.e—whioh would be worthy of the See of St. Asaph. The BISHOP emphasised the appeal in a few striking sentences.

THE PROPOSED PARTITIONING OF THE DIOCESE. A SERIES OF CONVINCING SPEECHES. Tha remainder of the morning was relegated to the consideration of the propo-sal to form a new Diocese of Shropshire, thereby depriving the Diocese of St. Asaph of fourteen parishes included in the Deanery of Ouwestry. The RECORDER OF OSWESTRY (Mr R. Lloyd Kenyon) opened the discussion with an address in favour of the proposal. He pointed out that that diocese had a population, in round numbers, of 238,000, with 213 benefices, and tihat only two dioceses in England and Wales (Here- ford and Bangor) had a smaller population, and farther, that fourteen of the 213 benefices were in Shropshire, with a population of 22,000, of which more than half were in the two Oswes- try parishes. The transfer of the fourteen Shropshire parishes, therefore, would leave the diocese with a population of 26,600, and would give the Shropshire Diocese a population of 240,000, which was the population of the county. He contended that the transfer would tend to equalise populations, and would give Oswestry a larger share in the new diocese, while Os- westry would also be able to claim a larger part of the attention of its new Diocesan than it could ufcder present circumstances. Corning to the, question of patronage, Mr Kenyon remarked that of the fourteen livings to be transferred orSy two—Llanyblodwel and Melrerley—with a united income of £ 344, were in the Bishop's patronage. The Bishop, he believed, had also some share in the patronage of Hereford, the nett income of which was £69; so that, assum- this subject with feelings of diffidence, because the information a.t my disposal it not as full as I would wish, because I have no argument, nor do I wish to find one agairust a Shropshire dio- cese being formed. Indeed, I believe that we should all wish well to such a scheme, and it seems to me a perfectly right and proper course for the Bishops of Lichfield and Hereford to have consulted and agreed regarding the par- ishes which would be transferred from and to their respective dioceses and the new diocese. But I dosire to call attention to the fact that no attempt seems to have been made to communi- cate with the Welsh Bishops concerned on this momentous subject, and I feel bound to state that the failure to do this strikes us unfavour- ably, and leaves us without the valuable help which their lordships' opinions on the matter would have been. I have only before me a re- port of the speeches made at conferences held at Shrewsbury and Burton with editorial com- ments thereon. Important as these are, they emphasise only one side of the question, and are therefore not convincing to anyone who wishes to come to a well-balanced decision. regarding the effect upon the Welsh Dioceses concerned, which the scheme would produce if carried into effect. Granted that a see for Shropshire properly endowed and equipped bo given, well and good, but how is it proposed to obtain this and when? Surely, if the scheme is so necessary the sooner the better. But I see that immediate contribu- tions which "might bo possibly afforded" by the dioceses of Lichfield and Hereford are un- certain, and that the amounts actually contem- plated to be taken ( £ 600 per annum from each) are only to be taken "on tho next vacancy t" Why postpone this? Are not their lordships, who desire to see C1500 a year raised in Shrop- shire by voluntary subscriptions, at once, pre- pared to help on this good scheme by giving up at once also from the rank of their own episco- pates the sums which they think can be spared. For I take it that they would hardly expect the voluntary contributions to be forthcoming at once, and to hand over their own Shropshire parishes at once unless they too handed over these sums at once. Whether L600 por annum is or is not a fitting sum to deduct from these episcopates, and is a well-balanced caluculation, I have not to consider. If it is, what would be the sum to be given up by each Welsh Diocese I to help the scheme? What, for example, should be given up by the Diocese of St. Asa-ph. for it's 19 Shropshire parishes? Calculated on the basis of numbers the sums would be under £151 per annum. If certain parishes in Wales are to be given to this diocese in exchange for those proposed to be taken the amount by which the Shropshire Diocese would gain would be smaller still. I think that rather tha.n experience the sorrow which the Bishop of Hereford said he would feel at losing his "beautiful Shropshire parishes," the Bishop of St. Asaph would be ready to pay only -215 per annum, or a lesser sum, for his parishes, which probably seem equally beautiful to him! But although as a Churchman and Salopian, I might like to see a Bishoprio of Shrewsbury with a compact and well-endoweed Sees, I feel as a Churchman and a resident in a Welsh Diocese grave doubts as to the scheme, as far as it proposes to curtail, upset, and, for all I know, impoverish the Church of England in Wales. The attack upon the Church of England in which the Welsh portion of it has been singled out as the smaller one, therefore presumably easier to crush, has been, a.ns i., bitter and unscrupulous, and promises to be not only so, but vindictive as well, in the immediate future. And the question which I find I must answer in the negative is this. THE RESULT. Will it weaken the Welsh portion of our Churdh in this fight which has been forced on it if some of its strongest brethren are to be taken away, agld will it generally impair its work ? I am bound to say unhesitatingly that in my opinion it will do both. Let the Sees of Lichfield and Herelo-rd give up what they will now, or leave it for the future occupants of those Sees to give up their beautiful parish- 00 and part o: their inoames, but let them not weaken the Welsh Dioceses by forcing on them a similar policy. The effect for good or for ill on the Welsh Diooeees seems to have been treated as a negligible quantity at the confer- ences I have referred to, and only the Shrop- shire, Liohfield, and Hereford Dioceses, and' their convenience and well-being seem to have I- WHOSE QUINCENTENARY WAS CELEBRATED ON MONDAY. I ing that the patronage was transferred to the new See, no substantial prospects of promotion were lost by the clergy of other parts of the diocese, and the clergy of those parts would not lose by beinig connected with Shropshire instead of St. Asaph. There would seem. therefore, to-be no objection to the transfer on the ground of patronage. In the matter of facilities of com- munication, there was no comparison. It took three hours to get from Oiswest-ry to St. Asaph, and only one to get to Shrewsbury. Then the people of Oswestry had much business connec- tion with Shrewsbury, and often had to go there; but, as far as he knew, no one ever had to go to St. Ac.aph except for Diocesan busi- ness. It would also be very much more con- venient. for Oswestry to attend meetings at Shrewsbury than at St. Asaph, and very much easier for a Bishop of Shrewsbury to get to Os- westry. The greater part of the population to be transferred, moreover, was English, and not Welnh, and connection with an English Diocese would bo at least as natural aii4 convenient to them as connection with a Welsh one. From the point of view, therefore, of population and of facility of communication, of business habits and connections of common interests and com- mon language, it would seem that Oswestry would benefit considerably by a. transfer. Com- ing to THE OBJECTIONS, Mr Kenyon asked if there was any objection on the ground of loyalty to their present diocesan. It seemed that tho movement which was now growing so strong all over England for a sub- division of dioceses, and making them smaller, so that a Bishop could be more frequently in all parts of them was the greatest compliment which could possibly be pald to their present Bishops. Was there any objection on the ground of historical associations? They had been a long time in St. Asaph diocese, but they were ongi- nally in that of Lichfield. They were trans- ferred from Lichfield to St. Asaph, early in Henry II's. rl8Ïgn, about 750 years ago, when Oswestry was one of the Lordships of the Marches, and belonged to neither England nor Wales, but its lords were always English, and so probably was the bulk of its population; it was definitely annexed in Henry VIII's. time, nearly 400 years ago, and all its civil history was English, and not Welsh. The sentiment of connection was probably stronger than the sentiment of connection with the diocese of St. Asaph. The most serious question probably was the financial one, but did it form an ob- jection? It had several sides. He had no meana of knowing whether it would be neces- sary for the Bishop to transfer any part of the endowment of his see to the new bishopric. He would only be transferring a thirteenth part of the population of the diocese, and probably a part which called for less than a thirteenth part of the general expenditure of the diocese. The Bishop's income was the same as that of the Bishops of Hereford and Lichfield. The Bishop of Hereford had declared his willingness to sur- render income, and he believed the Bishop of Lichfield had also done so; but whether it was desirable or right that this should be done must depend on the circumstansea of each dioceso, and the question did not affect the desirability or otherwise of the formation of the new diocese, but only the facility of forming it. As to whether the diocese of St. Asaph as a whole would bo likely to losoi seriously by being de- prived of financial support, from what was now its Shropshire portion. Concluding with a reference to the difficulty of the raising of funds for the endowment of the new bishopric, Mr Kenyon pointed out that something had already been promised, and thfcre .were endowments and sources of income which had not existed in the case, of other Bishopries which had nevertheless been founded and endowed. Shropshire was not the poorest of the counties, and h supposed one of the objects of that discussion was to clear tbsir minds as to whether the object was a de- sirable one, and one which was so desirable and so promising aa to be worth making cacnficea for. MR WYNNE CORRIE'S PROTEST. Mr WYNNE CORRIE, who took another view on the matter, said: I confess that I approach been considered. I venture to say that thia way of 'handling &uch an important matter was an im- perfect way, and that the proper course to have been adopted was to have obtained, if possible, full consideration, of the scheme by the Welsh Bishops, the clergy and laity, and to have placed their views impartially before those who attended the Conference. Such curtailment and alteration of the his- torio Welsh Dioceses, diooeees which have es- peoialilf of late been more closely bound to- gether by the trials imposed upon them by Government, whidh have organisations of high- ly susceptible 'nature,, some only recently brought into good working order, and depend- ent on present circumstances for their continued and growing usefulness, should, I think, only be carried out after exhaustive inquiry, and thought conducted and given by the responsible officers of the Diocesan concerns, who would be guided bv their united1 experience and by the views of the groat mass of their Churchpeople when obtained bv them- Is is wise, is it for the better carrying out of the work of the Church that such a scheme should fce launched in the manner adopted at this critical moment of tho Cnurch's liie, and enforced "wiliy nilly" on the Welalh dioceseal concerned ? As one who has seen something of, and taken a part-, however small, in Church matters in the Diocese of St- Asaph, I protest most strongly against it, and while I cilo not for a moment attribute either intentional dis- courtesy or even an undue appreciation 0: the difficulties of tihe Welsh Diooeses or of their value to the Church in England in the fight aeainsfc Disestablishment, Disendowment, and to those who have worked and laboured to produioe the eoheme, I do, so far as I may, emphatically claim for the Diooese of St. Asaph that it should be given what is, I take to be. its bare right, with leave to give evidence and to be fully heard and listened to in a matter of such to grave importance- I leave aside, others will no doubt refer to tihem, historical and sentimental questions, though I recognise that they are powerful fac- tors, and consider solely in what. I say the main point of the whole matter, the basis on which the w'holo work o: the Church must stand if it is to (stand at all, i.e., the most effective way of carrying out the trust confident in her by G-od among the souls of men- I hope that in thus opposing the scheme in its present form, I have not said anything to hurt the Kaelings 0: its advocates- I wish solely to show them that there are some people vitally interested in the matter, whose opinions they have not considered, and to lead that due weight be given to all affected- Cannot we all unite and come to a decision based on the ground which is oorremcin to us all, the deeire of doing our duty to God and to ou-t- neighbour ? THE BISHOP'S VIEWS. The BISHOP, who was heartily chsered on rising, said he eoru'ially thanked Mr Kenyon for the spirit in which he had introduced tlhis rather, to Welshmen, {Jelicate subject. Arch- bishop Benson docihired on one oocas-ion that one of the great mistakes the Churcih of Eng- land had mado wais to carve tit, her grand old parishes. Tho proposal to carve u, ti;ia old dioceses led him to roy that they ought to pay due regard to tfha Archbishop's caution. He (his lordship) was not at all sure himael." that the county area was even for practical purpcKej alwaya the best area to seleot for a dllooe&e- There were many cases in which he was sure practical considerations would show that the county area was not of nstessity the most wirkab">3, even from the point of view of pre- sent conditions- He observed that it wad stated that the Bishops of Hereford and St. Asaph were very favourable to tlhe idea oc this oharsge, but how he (his lordship) could' be favourable to an idea as to which he had never been corasWted ? (hear, Ihear). He did not wiah to make a great point of that, but he thought it was din3 to a (great want of consideration, "Dn' that St. Aa&ph was not asked to attend the conferences on tlie subject, and that he bad fhejd DO oonxnunicatlion whatever lrsadb to him ae the Bishop r:pon it (bear, hear). The Bishop of Hereford, as far as he could reool- kd., had never even mentioned the subject in private conversation with him. He (the speaker) wsa in rr» way committed u-on a pro- posal w&Sch ha had in (act never liked (ap- I L plause). One of the objects of sub-division was, as Mr Kenyon had put it, to l'ill tlie work of the Bishop, in ordENr that the work might be done better. But that would by no means be ensured by the proposal. It merely meant taking certain parishes from the Diocese arid adding others, to thac there would merely oc a displacement of work, and not a .Kwsamng of if (hear, hear) But there would be a very serious lessening of t ne financial recourses of the diocese, and he did not think that Wales was so rich, that while tho work was in no way lessened the material rcsourMs ,ho-iid be lessened for the benefit of a diocese of Shropshire. He was sure they were all most anxious to do what was best for the promotion of Church work at larger but tnia tft.ing >nust be looked at by them as practical men. It was perhaps true that the deanery was put into the diocese of Lichfield for a time, but in the reconstruction after tho Norman conquest it was in the diocese of St. Asaph, and he believed it was in that diocese AS EARLY AS THE SEVENTH CENTURY. At that time the diocese probably followed on the tribal lines (hear, hear). But what more particularly affected him was that there was a very large question laying at the back of the wholo thing. It was not tne money from Shrop- shire that lie valued, though he did not say that Shropshire did not do its part as well as the rest of -he diocese in that respect, but he did value the fact that the inclusion of the Shropshire portion of the diocese bound the diocese up closely with the great Church of England (loud applause). It was a very good thing for them as Welshmen to have a large section of England in their diocose, and it was by no means a bad thing for the English to have the Welshmen among them (hear, hear, and laughter). They had the Englishman's great characteristic of judicial calmness and the Welshman had enthusi- asm and imagination, which it was a very good thing for Englishmen to share (laughter). Ho would never bo a party, so long as he was Bishop of St. Asaph, to help in the cutting off of the English part of the diocese from St. Asaph (loud applause). lIe was not going to assist those who wanted to say, "All the parishes are now in Wales; they arc a nice, compact whole, and therefore there is no difficulty now about ar- ranging, what to do with those parishes of the Welsh diooeso which ara in England, or in England and in Wales." He remembered Mr Asquith's difficulties, who, when dealing with the disestablishment of the Church in Wales, said that one of his greatest difficulties was what to do with the English parishes in the Welsh diocese? (hear, hear). T ey were a hopeless puzzle to IVlr Asquitn, and more than tiiat tney were an object lesson to English Churchmen that the cause they were fighting for in Wales would soon be the cause for which England would have to fight very soon (hear, hear). "It is no use," proceeded the Bishop, "coasting around what is really the main point in a discussion of this sort. At the back of all this there are, as well as the desire for promoting the work of the Church, other motives with which nono of us have got much sympathy, and I personally am not going to be any party at all to promoting a scheme which I have no hesitation in saying would be very detrimental to the diocese of St. Asaph and the Church in Wales as a whole" (loud applause). Mr P. P. PiiAiNANT, continuing we dis- cussion, said he thought Oswestry would lose considerably by the change. At present it ranked as a semi-cathedral town, but. it would be speedily overshadowed in a Shropshire dio- cese with Shrewsbury as the Cathedral city (hear, hear). ARCHDEACON THOMAS, at the outset, mentioned incidentally that he was in the fiftieth year of service in St. Asaph diocese (hear, hear). Much against his inclination, he favoured the inclusion of the Oswestry deanery in a new dioceije, because he felt it was a step in the direction of county bishoprics which was the ideal church organisation system to be aimed at The speaker gave a historical survey of the diocese from the time of the existence of Llanbadarn diocese (which practically included Powisland in central Wales), and said he thought that tho restoration of the old Llanbadarn see would result to the spiritual benefit of Wales. VICAR OF DENBIGH OPPOSES. Rev. T. REDFERN, vicar of Denbigh, strong- ly opposed the proposed change, and amongst many reasons he advanced for his opinion he pointed out that from a linguistic point of view the new scheme would be anything but satis- factory. It should not be forgotten that in tho Oswestry deanery there was a very strong Welsh element indeed, and a? evidence of that he need scarcely remind them that there were no less than four Welsh Dissenting o;apels all well equipped, with resident Welsh ministers apart from their own Welsh church, while with one exception-the Rev. C. Leslie Jones-all the clergy were Welshmen, who spoke the native lan- guage. It had bean argued that the change would result in the more efficient working of the deanery of Oswestry, but he did not think the deanery failed to compare favourably with the amount of work done in other deaneries of the diocese (applause). It had also been said that if the Bishop were to reside at Oswestry clergy would find it more convenient to see his lord- ship than they did at present. He had never experienced any material inconvenience under the present system, for Bishop Edwards willingly met them at Chester when necessary (applause). The REV. W. G. WALKER, of Knockin, who spoke in favour of the change,, said he thought the question of Disestablishment should be kept absolutely distinct when dealing with that ques- tion, for whatever happened, the English Church would always support her sister in Wales. The BISHOP: I don't infer that that would not be the case, but I don't want to make things easier for the politicians—helping them to do what we don't want them to do (loud ap- plause) ARCHDEACON WYNNE JONES said that at present the St. Aisaplh Diocese needed all the strength and energies she could command, and to deprive her of the support of the Oswestry Deanery at the present moment would be a calamity (applause). He thoroughly disapproved of the proposal, and hoped they ail would (hear, hear). The REV. THOMAS JONES, of Hope, a,nd the REV. E. J. EVANS, of Llandrilio-yn-Rhos, also spoke in opposition to the sdheme. The discussion then dropped,. OFFICIALS. The following were appointed as a committee to report upon the methods, of charitable assist- anoo, and the adiministratian of the Poor Law: —Clergy: the Rev. W. L. Nicholas (convener) the Rev. E. Bissett, the Rev. Evan Jones, and the Rev. H. Eaton Thomas. Archdeacon Thomas and Mr J. W. P. Storey were elected on the Standing Committee of the Church Congress. RETIREMENT OF THE CHANCELLOR AND ARCHDEACON THOMAS. Archdeacon Thomas and the Venerable Chan- cellor Trevor Owen announced to the manifest regret of the meeting, their intention to retire from their work ais seoretaries to the Confer- ence. On the motion of the BISHOP, who referred in grateful terms to the services rendered by botih gentlemen during their lengthy terms of offim a cordial vote of thanks was accorded to them. The Rev. T. Redfern. vicar of Oswestry, and Mr W. B. Yates were appointed to the vacant positions. The Conference terminated with a vote of thanks to the Bishop for presiding.

THE REV J. P. LEWIS AND THE WELSH REVOLT. THE NEW EDUCATION BILL. A meeting of Churcbpeop'c was held on Mon- day evening, at Llanfai.rfechan, Mr II. L. North presiding. The Rector opened the meeting by referring to the neoessity of enlightening the public on the history of the Church. The Church, ho said, had nothing to lese, but everything to gain from free d.iscu.;sicn. There was a grow- ing confidence among Churchpeople in the strength and righteousness of their cause. The Rev. J. P. Lewis, rector of Llanyatum- dwy. delivered an address, in the course of which he said the education question was one of vital interest to the nation, and in this re- spect the Church had done a great national work. He deplored the fact that Cabinet Minis- ters had recently, in North and South Wales, given the authority of their high position to statements that had never been substantiated, but had been refuted time aftor time. He thought he had proved up to the hilt in a pam- phlet that the Welsh revolt had been manufac- tured by a conspiracy to tell the people that the whole cost of education was now defrayed from rates and taxes, that nevertheless there was no public control over Church Schools, and that Nonconformists were compelled to pay for Church teaching. On these three statements hung the whole revolt, which had set the clock back ooua.ctionally in Wales to the lass of the nation, and tho irretrievable injury of the chil- dren. And yet, not one of these statements was true, and he challenged contradiction. He warned the audience that the next Education Bill" would be really a secular schools bill, but it would be wrapped up in fine religious phrases, and cffer so-called facilities for religious teach- ing outside school hours, outside the school staff, and outside the school syllabus, to which all frienchs of reiligious education should say "Thank you for nothing." The new Bill of the Govern- ment, as foreshadowed by Mr M'Kenna, would be a Bill for making universal the schools, which the late Mr Spurgeon declared were training up a godle-ts generation. He expressed deep regret that Cabinet Ministers deliberately and persis- tently ignored the replies that were made by Churchpeople to their accusations. Messrs Evi].k Timmins, Booth, Williams, and the Rev. W. B. Hughes al'so spoke. Mr Timmins suggested that the lead of the Board of Education should be followedl by sub- stituting inspection for eKami-nation,

IN AID OF DENBIGHSHIRE INFIRMARY. GRAND CONCERT AT KINMEL. To-day week a most interest ing concert was held at Kinmel Park, the treat of the Lord-Lieu- tenant of Flintshire, and its success was in no small measure duo to tho untiring efforts (if Miss Frances Hughes, who, in season and out of SCUbOn, is so ready to lend a helping ihamd in the cause of charity. The concert was or- ganised by this lady with the object of helping the Centenary Fund of the Denbighshire In- firmary, an institution whioh does an immense amount of good, and is deserving of every sup- port. The arrangements were ail that could be desired, and the concert was held in the hand- some ballroom at Kinmel Park. Mr Beckett, the head gardener at the Hall, had in a mcut artistic mariner beautifully decorated a platform at one end of the room with paims, flowers, and various ferns and plants. Against the subdued light of the windows the effect was charming, and reflected the greatest credit en the horticul- tura-liht. A very large company assembled, and among those present were the following, many of the ladicG bringing parl Ie,, with them:—Mr H. R. Hughes, Lady Fiorent.lia Hughes, M'ajor Hughes, tho Hon. Mary Hughes, and Mass Horatia Hughes, Kinmel; Lady Mostyn, Mr and Mrs George Mostyn, Talaore; Lord Camden, Sir Harry and Miss Mainwaring, Colonel and Mrs Iiolusworth, Miss Ahshoton-Smith, the Misseki Charlton, Mr Alfred Farquhar, tIn., Hon. Lionel Byngnam, Mr Vaughan Wynn, Miss Mesham. Captain Kington, Mrs Eiiis, the Hon. Mrs C. Williams, Mis Mellor, the Ho.n. Mrs Blezard, the Hon. Mrs Deveraux, Miss Broderick, Mrs Edward Herbert, Miss Dorothy Herbert. Mrs Do Ranee, Mrs Richardson, Miss Pennant., Mrs Watkin Davies, Mrs Buddicom, Mrs Williams, Rose IIill, St. Asaph; Mrs Duncan Miller, Mrs Fosbery, Miss C. Griffiths, Miss Pryce, St. Asaph; Mrs. Tumour, Mrs Jones, Liane-rch; Mrs H. O. Hughcu. Mrs Bankes, Mies Foulkes, Mr A. Foulkes, Mrs Rowiey Con wv,. Canon Trevor Jones, the Rev. D. J. Davies, Mrs Lewi;, Miss Watts, Mrs Owen Watts, Mrs R. Williams-Wynn, Mr and Mrs Buxton, Mdlle. Hermanscn. Mrs Aitkin, Mr and Mrs E. A. Crabbc, Mrs. Walter, Miss CrodfioJki. Bryn El thin; Mrs Walton Evans, Miss Ralli. Mrs Parry, Pongworn; Mrs Heaton, Mrs Poweltl, Miss Mainwaring, Galltfaenan; Mrs Howard, Wigfair; Miss Chanibres, Miss Pilkin'gton, Mr and Mrs G. T. Evans, Abergele; Miss Pier- son, etc. THE PROGRAMME. Tho programme wa." an excellent one in every respect., and naturally the audience was very appreciative. The singing of Miss Violet Main- waring in "Eyes of grey" was one of the pretti- est numbers of the afternoon. Mi! Charlton in "Chanson I'Ad leii" met with a very enthusiastic reception, but her best rendering was with Mies Violet Mainwaring in the duet "It is na Jean, thy bonnie. face," for whioh they were recalled. Miss Mesham was heard at her best in "The night h,Ltth a thousand even," a;nd she wast a1,50 recalled for her songs in the latter part of the programme. Mr Vincent Jones is not unknown to North Wales audiences, and Ihis fine, power- ful voice was heard to the best advantage on this occasion.. He was recalled for two of his songs, and met with a hearty reception. Ae regards the instrumentalists. Professor White- head s violin polos were a great musical treat, and he hi4d his audienoo spdl.l-bound by his playing. Captain Kington's opening solo was very appreciatively received, while his trio with Mrs El. is and Miss Charlton wag also very good. From start to finish the concert was a great suc- ceai, and each item was listened to with the best of attention. Miss Charlton acted as accom- panist to her sister. The programme was as follows Pianoforte solo, "Rhapsodic" (Tsehaikowsky), Captain Kington; songe,, (a) "Afterwards, love" antii (b) "Eyes of grey" (d'Hardelot). Miss Vio- let Mainwaring; violin soio, "Rhapsodie Hon- groise" (Hauser), Professor Whitehead; wngs, (a.) ande j.n the wood" (Goetz), and (b) "The night hath a thousand eycts" (Lamb't), Miss Mesham; song, "Song of Hybrias the Corc- tan," (E-iiott;, Mr Vincent Jones; songs, (a) "Le Baiser" (Goring Thomas) and (b) "Chanson I' f\diQ u" (Tosti), Mies Charlton; trio (violins and piano), (a) "Andante Reiigioso" (Mendelsohn) and (b) "Sarabande" (Baoh), Mrs Ellis, Miss Chariton, and Captain Kington; songs (a) "Si mes vers avaient des ailes" and (b) "L Heurcux Vagabond" (Ilahn), Miss Violet Mainwaring; song, "Montrose's love Isong" (M. V. White), Mr Vincent Jones; songs, \a) "Chanson du Roi de Thulo" and (b) "Chanson des FLeurs," Miss Mesha.m; vocal duets, (a) "A Spring song" and (b) "It is na Jean, thy bonny faoe" (Ln), Miss Charlton an-d Miss V.ioldt Mainwaring; vioiin polos, (a) "Humoraske" and (b) "Seren- ade" (Dvorak), Professor Whitehead; songs, (a) "Phantoms" (Engelhardt) and (b) "The Thros- tle" (M. V. White), Miss Charlton; finale, "God save the King."

PENMAENMAWR URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL. MUNIFICENCE OF MEMBERS. The monthly meeting of the above Council i was held on Tuesday, Mr W. D. Jones (chair- man) presiding, and the other members pre- sent were Colonel C. H. Darbishire, Dr. Jen- kins, Mtcsrs R. D. Owen S. Williams, J. R. Williams, R. D. Jones, R. Williams, E. Da- vies, D. Jones, J. S, Coverlev, together with Messrs T. E. Parry (clerk), J. W. Post (deputy- clerk), R. J. Hughes (surveyor), and John Owen (collector). UNIVERSITY GOVERNOR. Dr. J. R. Williams was unanimously re- elected as representative of the Council1 on the Court of Governors of the Bangor University. COLONEL DARBISHIREJS GENEROSITY, The Chairman said that he had a very pleas- ing duty to perform, and that was to propose that the heartiest thanks of the Council and the ratepayers be accorded Colonel Darbishire for the handsome present he had made to the town, namely, the gift of the ne'w footpath, which would undoubtedly prove to be one of the great- est boons ever conferred upon Penmaenmaw,r. By this gift Colonel Darbishiro's generosity and kindness would be remembered by futuro generations (applause). Mr J. R. Williiams, in seconding, said the gift improved the district, and provided for the safety of little children attending the schools. He thought it was the best-made pavement in Penmaenmawr (hear, hear). The vote of thanks having been carried with enthusiasm, Colonel Darbiehire briefly respond- ed. DR. WILLIAMS' GIFTS. The Chairman called Attention to the his- torical pictures of old Penmaenmawr. which were hung on the wails of the Council' Cham- ber. which had been presc*Ted by Dr. J. R. Williams, and to whom he moved a vote of thanks. Mr Samuel Williams seconded, and it was carried unanimously. THE POSTAL FACILITIES. Mr R. D. Jones called attention to the postal facilities of the town, and expressed that they at Penmaenmawr were being grossly neglected by the Postmaster-General. He found that in the Conway district there were three postal deli- veries each day, and in a small place like Gvffin they could post letters after 11 o'clock at night, for delivery next morning; and in the town of Conway they could post as late as mid- night. He suggested that the Council should appeal to their members of Parliament., draw- ing their attention to the injustice cf the present arrangements to Penmaenmawr. He also pro- posed that they should again write to the Post- master-General, as well as to Mr Lloyd George, to see if something could not be done. Mr R. D. Owen seconded. He had been told that the reason they had such facilities at Con- way was because there was late pasting at Llan- dudno, and the Llandudno letters were brought to the Junction. Conway, being so near the Junction, therefore. got the extra facilities. At the same time ho thought the Council should press for some improvement in the postal facili- ties of the town. The Chairman suggested that the matter be deferred pending a further reply from the Post- master-General. and this was agreed to. VITAL STATISTICS. It was reported that the number of births at Penmaenmawr during the month of October was 7, and the deaths 1. AN IMPROVEMENT. Upon the recommendation of the Estates Com- mittee, it was decided that the land of "Coll Gwy,nfa" "hou:d be enclosed with a boundary wall and a quick-thorn hedge.

MY AlNi "My Ai.n Fireside" is the title of one of the most beautiful and touching pictures painted by that fa.mous artist, the late Thomas Faed, R.A. It represents a cottage interior, with mother and babe and proud father, the last- mentioned dividing his attention between the infant arid his newspaper. The colouring is ex- quisite, and tho whole scene one of those pic- tures of domestic life which placed Thomas Faed above all other artists in this particular class of art. A splendid, faithfully coloured reproduction of this picture is now within reach of everyone, for it is given away as the almanac for 1908 with the "Weekly Courier," on November 23rd. There can be no hesitation in saying that this is the finest almana,c of the kind yet pubiiched in this country, a.nd is being given fred3 with the "Weekly Courier" for the date named at enormous expense. In the same issue a new industrial story, "Hearts o' Lancashire," will oommence, and that it is of remarkable interest even in these days of striking fiction will bo in" patent to every person reading the first instal- ment. The enormous demand for the "Weekly Courier" for November 23rd suggests the advis- ability of ordering in advance.

LORD COCHRANE'S MAJORITY CONCLUSION OF THE FESTIVITIES AT GWRYCH CASTLE. The celebrations in connection with the coming-of-age of Lord Cochrane, s::m and heir of the Earl cf Dundonald, were continued with unabated enthusiasm to-day week, at G wry oh Castle, Abergele. At 9 p.m. the Castle park gates were opened, and the public admitted to view an extensive display of fireworks in front of the Castle, from the windows of which t-he Countess of Dundonald, Lady Jean Cochrane, Lady Marjorie Cochrane, the Hon. Robin Cooh- ranehand several guests witnessed the exhibition. Some discomfort was occasioned by rain falling, but despite this the large crowd of spectators en- joyed the pyrotoohnic display, which included a fine set piece representing in coloured fires the Taust of Lord Cochrane. Much credit is due to those who carried out the arrangements SO satis- factorily. At intervals the Llanddulas Band played', and at the conclusion headed a torch- light procession to Abergele, where the band again played a few popular airs before dispers- ing. SCHOOL CHILDREN'S SPORTS. The sports arranged for the school children were heid in the afternoon, in the Bee Hotel fie'd, and were much enjoyed by the youngsters aind Gightseors. The officials of the course were Miss G it tens, Miss Jones, Messrs F. J. Fletcher, C. P. Jones, Moss Jones (the famous sprinter), J- Hannah, W. H. Jones (plumber), E. Williams, J. C. Knight, J. R. Ellis, R. O. Roberts, H. Bedford, A.C.P., George Perkins, Sergeant- Instructor Brown, Mr W. Chestere, and the Rev. D. R. Griffiths. The following is a list of prize-winners:— GIRLS.—FLAT RACES. Standards 6 and, 7.—1, Susannah Jones; 2, M. L. Jonets; 3, Amy Dunwell; 4, Florrio Wil- liams. Standard 5.—1, C. J. Jones; 2, Emily Wil- liams; 3, Dorothy Williams; 4, Myfanwy Da- vies. Standard 4.—1, Jennie Owen; 2, Dora. Row- lands 3, Darie Millward; 4, Maggie Ro- berts. Standard 3.-1, Ida Rowlands; 2, Ellen Jones; 3, Catherine Williams; 4, Gwennie Wil- liams. Standard 2.—1 (dead heat), Gwladys Hughes and Rosie Roberts; 2, D. M. Roeooe; 3, Cissie J ones. Standard 1.—1 (dead heat), B'odwen Hughes and M. E. Dodd; 2, Mary Pierce 3, Bessie Parry. Egg and spoo.n race: 1, Gwennie Griffiths; 2, Emily Williams; 3. Maggie Roberts; 4, Cissie Jones. Potato rac%: The following were the first in each event: E. EUen Jones, Blodwen Jones, Cissrc Williams, D. Lloyd, Amy Dunwell, Emma. Davies, Lizzie Hughes, Winiilred Jones, a.nd Hannah Jones. BOYS.-FLAT RACES. Standards 6 and 7. -1 Pieroe; 2, Norman Millward; 3, J. D. Jones; 4, J. Pickup. Standard 5.—1, Howell Millward; 2, Trevor Roberts; 3, Stant'ey Owen; 4, H. Leyton. Sta-nfland 4.-1, J. Goodman Williams; 2, T. Austin; 3, D. E. Parry; 4, Francis McCray. Standard 3.—1, B. Jones; 2, J. Davies; 3, Albert E. Jones; 4, Thos. Williams. Standard 2.-1, J. Jones; 2, R. E. Davies; 3, Wm. Davies; 4, T. Owen. Standard 1.—1, Trevor Jones; 2, Albert Wil- liams; 3, Owen Jones; 4, W. Peacock. Three-legged race: 1. J. D. Jones and J. H. Thomas; 2, Stanley Owen and John E. Wil- liams; 3, Henry Pierce and Francis Williams; 4, Herbert Leyton and Howell Millward. Potato races: Hubert Williams and Trevor Roberts. Sack race: 1, Richard Williams; 2, W. Phipps; 3, Fred Williams. INFANTS. Tho following were the winners in their different clasecs:- 1. R. Davies; 2, W. Stokes; 3, H. Evans. 1, H. Jones; 2, Joseph Davics; 3, Tommy Williams. 1, Cisoie Jones; 2, Bessie Pickup; 3, M. Hig- gins. 1, Sarah Jones; 2, G. King; 3, G. Lewis. 1, Llewelyn Vaughan; 2, Maldwyn Davies; 3, E. Blakemore. 1, G. Tweedie; 2, J. Davies; 3, J. Hughes; 4, A. Rowland. 1, Kathleen Williams; 2. Gwyneth Jones; 3, Bessie Williams. 1, L. Roberts; 2, Maggie Roberts; 3, A. Jones. 1, Fred Roberts; 2, Robert Davies; 3, T. H. Jones. 1, H. Stokes; 2, Alfred Williams; 3. T. Owen. 1, Lulu Davies; 2, Myfanwy Daviee; 3, Maud Williiams. On Jb nday morning the committee finding that they had sufficient money in hand, distributed oranges, sweets, and nuts bo all the children.. BALL AT GWRYCH CASTLE. On Friday evening a grand Ball took plaoo at the Castle, to which a large number of guests were invited, terminating in the early hours of the morning. It will bo remembered that the Earl of Dun- donald was expected to be present at the festi- vities, but hiq Lordiship contracted influenza, and much to the disappointment of the inhabit- ants, was unable to come down. Tho Countess of Dundonald proceeded to London on Satur- day, and returned on Tuesday. La-dry Hamilton waa also prevented by illness from attending the festivities. THE COMMITTEE. The following ill the list of the Committee having charge of the town arrangements:- Rev. Thomas Jones M.A., Vicarage, Abergele; Mr John Hannah, Market Street, Abergele; Mr J. Ed- wards, Tanyfron Abergele; Mr Pierce Davies, Green- wich House, Abergele; Mr J. Pierce, Victoria House. Abergele Mr Edward Williams, Morannedd, Abergele; Mr G. Perkins, auctioneer, Abergele; Mr H. Bed- ford Oastle Place, Abergele; Mr W. H. Jones, Peny- bont, Abergele; Mr J. C. Knight, Penybont Hotel, Abergele; Mr H. B. Rogers, station master, Abergele; Mr J. It. Ellis. Berfchtwpic, Abergele Mr J. Williams, Harp Inn, Abergele; Mr F. J. Fletcher, postmaster, Abergele;* Mr D. G. Roberts, Man^iestj.-r House, Abergele; Mr H. E. Prichard, Tanralu- Farm, Aber- gele; Mr S. Davies, Water Street. Abergele; Miss Git- tens, School House Abergele; Mr S. J. Harrison, Cartrefle, Abergele; Mr W. H. Jones. Market Street, Abergele; Mr Edward Ellis Berthtopic,, Abergele; Mr W. Cliesters, Water Street. Abergele; Mr R. 0. Roberts, London House Abergele; Mr E. W. Harrop, Alexandre Avenue, Abergele; Mr Thomas, grocer (H. and J. Thomas) Abergele Mr Thomas Evans, Tan dderwcn, Abergele; Mr Elias Roberts. Gainc Farm, Abergele; Mr E. Kyffln Roach House, Abergele; Mr G. T. Evans (treasurer), Haulfryn, Abergele; Mr E. A. Crabbe (secretarv) Abergele. SUBSCRIBERS TO 'THE TOWN'S PRESENTATION. List of subscribers to the town's presmtoa ion I The Rev. B. Jones Bateman, Pentre Mawr, Abergele; J. Herbert Roberts. Esq., M.P. Bryngwenallt, Aber- geie; G. T. Evans, North and South Wales Bank, Abergele Mr Nield. Brynhyfryd, Abergele; Walter Wrune Bryn Ogwen Abergele; D. O. Radcliffe, soli- citor, Abergele; the Misses lloberts, Tanrallt Hall, Abergele the REV. Francis Jones. Eirianfa, Abergele; E. A. Crabbe, solicitor, Abergele; J. Hannah, Market Street Abergele; D. C. Carmichael, Bath; Geo. Per- kins, auctioneer, Abergele; Mrs Pent-on, Abergele; Mr S. H. Harrison Oartretle, Abergele; Dr T. Richard- son Jones, Abergele; E. Kyffin, Roach House, Aber- gele Miss Owen. Dolwar, Abergele; Captain Hannah, Cainsmore. Abergele; D. G. Roberts, Manchester House, Abergele; Mr Peter Evans Rhyl; Mr J. Gill, Castle Hotel, Abergele; Mr J. W. Ellis, Abergele; Mr Thos. Williams, draper, Water Street, Abergele; Dr H. O. Hughes, Uwch-y-Don, Abergele; Mr Val- lance. Castle View Abergele; Mr W. Chesters, Water Street, Abergele; Mr Edward Ellis, Berthtopic Aber- gele; Mr Lewis, Gwyndy Mr J. R. Ellis. Berth- topic; Mr E. H. Millward, Sea View Abergele; Mr D. Oarty Hughes, Stafford House, Abergele; Mr J. T. Millward Minafon, Abergele; Miss Williams, Crown Inn, Abergele; Mr D. W. Vaughan, Gwalia House, Aberg-ele; Mr Prichard Tanrallt Farm, Abergele; In- spect >r Bagshaw, Police Station, Abergele; Mr John Roberts, Drug Stores Abergele; Mrs Tyler, Market Street, Abergele; Mr C. P. Jones, Metropole Aber- gele; Mr H. E. Thomas, hairdresser Abergele; Mr Thos. Evans, Tandderwen. Abergele; Mr Edward Wil- liams Morannedd, Abergele; Mrs Morgan. Castle View," Abergele Mrs Mason Brooklands, Abergele; Miss Pope, Brooklands Abergele; Mr J. Jones, The Oafe, Abergele; Mr W. H. Davies, Tea Mart Aber- gele; Mr H. J. Jones, The Garage. Abargele; Mr Pierce Davies Greenwich House Abergele; Mrs Moul- hn, Ty Gobaith, Abergele; the Rev. D. R. Griffiths. Albert" Cottage, 'Abergele; Mr Rowlands, The Vet, Pensarn Abergele Mr D. C. Roberts, Liverpool House, Abergele; Mr Thomas Jones. Ghapel Street, Alwrgele Mrs Roberts l-'ea View. Abergele; A Friend Mr W. A. Jones, Birmingham House, Aber- gele Mr Unsworth, Bedford Villa Abergele; Mr Edward Williams, Peel Gardens, Abergele; Mr H. Dyer grocer, Market Street, Abergele; the Misses Thomas, Cumberland House, Abergele; Mr Isaac Mor- ris, butcher Bridge Street, Abergele; Mr Edward Williams, Morannedd, Abergele; Miss Brewster Pen- sarn, Abergele; Mr Buchanan, Oban House, Pensarn, Abergele; Miss Davies, Park Villas. Abergele; Mrs Junes. 5 New York Terrace, Abergele; Mr J. E. Evans. Brymbo House, Abergele Mrs Roberts, Bronhy- fryd. Abergele; Mr John Hughes. Cottonia House, Abergele; Miss Florrie Williams, New York Terrace. Abergele; Mr W. Roberts, Bodgwilym, Abergele; Miss Thomas Oakhurst, Abergele; Mrs Chambers, Dolwar, Abergele; J (.s Chesters, Rhandir, Abergele; Miss Hughes, Derby Terrace Abergele; Mr T. Samuel Castle View. Abergele; Mr Pickup, Tanyard Aber- gele; Mr Evans Bank Buildings, Abprgele; Miss Bar- ehani Bank Buildings, Abergele; Mrs Mostyn, Water Street. Ahergele; Mr Williams c.o. Messrs E. B. Jones and Co. Abergele; Mis Ellis. Plas Hyfryd, Abergele; Miss Morris, Pwllheli Buildings, Abergele; A Friend; Mr R. Davies. Nelson Terrace, Abergele; Mr W. Mor- gan Chapel House, Abergele; Mr Hugh Evans Pen- sarn, Abergele; Air Hugh Hughes Pensarn. Abergele; Miss Jones, Pensarn. Abergele; Miss Cole Pensarn, Abergele; Mrs Parry, Pensarn, Abergele; Mrs Jines. Pensarn, Abergele; Mr Fraser, Pensarn Abergele; Miss Dal ton. Pensarn, Abergele; Mrs Parker Davies Pensarn, Abergele; Mr W. M. Clarke, Perthewig. Pensarn. Abergele; Mrs Hughes, Post Office Pensarn. Abergele; Mr John Head, Pensarn, Abergele; Mr John Hughes Pensarn. Abergele; Miss Hughes, Ten- sarn Abergele; A Friend, Pensarn, Abergele; Mr Anwyl, Pensarn Abergele; Mrs Evans, Pensarn, Aber- gele Air Patrick. Pensarn, Abergele; Mrs Evans. Pensarn Abergele Mrs Evans, Brickworks, Ppnsarn, Abergele; Mr John Patrick. Pensarn, Alrergrlp; Mr Charles Jones, Pensarn, Abergele; Mr Itobert Roberts. Per.sam, Abergele Miss Cartwright,, Pensarn Aber- gele; Mr S. B. Rqer3, stationmaster Pensarn Aber- gele W. J. Evans, County School, Abergele Mr Davies Pensarn, Abergele; Mr William Roberts, Pensa.rn. Abr-rgele Mr John Watson Price. Arthur's -Cottage, Pensarn. Abergele; Mr Worra.H. Cambrian Hotel. Pensarn, bcrgele; Mrs Williams. Harp Hotel, Pensarn, Abergele. In connection with the coming of age rejoicings at Gwrych Castle and Abergele, which concluded oa Friday evening we understand that the following assisted Mr and Mrs Williams, of the Harp Hotel, in the carrying out of the arrangements for the catering arrangements of the festivities: —Mr and Mrs Bedford, Mr and Mrs Jones (Metropole). Mr and Mrs Herring. Mrs and Miss Englis, Mr and Mrs Fletcher, Miss Gittens, Miss Jones (The Schools). Mr and Mrs S. Davies Mr and Mrs Ted Jones, Mr (Rhyl), Mr Williams (St. George^ Mr and Mrs Rob- erts Miss Morris Miss Williams, Miss Rowlands^ Mrs McKay, Miss A. Twist, Miss Blanche Stewart Miss Roberts, Mr Salisbury Sergt. Brown Miss S. Williams, Mr Humphrey Williams, Mr Vaughan, Mr Thomas. Miss C. -Jones, Miss Jones Mr H. Fitten, Mr W. Hughes, Master Bedford and Master Fletcher

FOOTBALL. a (Con.inuation 011 page 4.) NORTH WALES COAST FOOTBALL1 ASSOCIATION. DRAW FOR THE AMATEUR CUP. OOLWYN BAY PLAYER SUSPENDED. At the Avon-dale Restaurant, Llandudno, yes. terday (Wednesday) evening, a. meeting of the Council of the North Wales Football Associa- tion wan held, Mr R. J. Hughes, Penmaenmawr, presiding, and the other members present were Messrs F. J. II. Beech, Rhyl; D. H. Hughes, Denbigh; H. Uoyd, Conway; J. H. Vincent, Llandudno; P. Weeks, Holyhead; W. Ll. Jones, Llanrwst; H. Heap, Colwyn Bay; S. Wililman, Bangor; C. Hubbard, Rhyl; and M. Brierclaffe, Beaumaris; together with the secretary (Mr C. Williams). CELTS' BENEFIT MATCH. 4.. The Secretary of the Llandudno Celts foot- ball Club reported that as the result of the benefit match organised by them in aid of Geo. Mackenzie, 27 7s 3d had acorued. It waa decided to ask the Wet'sh Football Association to augment the amount to £10. OOLWYN BAY PLAYER SUSPENDED. John Owen, 10, Rhiw-road, Colwyn Bay, was reported for violent play in a match between Conway and Colwyn Bay. Owen. who appeared before the Council, denied the offence, and stated that he had only acted1 in self-defence. Mr Beech, who was the referee of the match, supported the report. Mr Heap appealed for Owen to be dealt with leniently, as this was his first offence. Mr W. LI. Jones proposed that Owen be oua, pended for 14 days. Mr Hubbard seconded. The Chairman remarked that it had always been the custom of the Council to suspend play- era for rough play for 28 days. Mr Vincent proposed that the suspension b6 for 21 days. This was seoonded by Mr D. H. Hughes, and carried. THE AMATEUR CUP. DRAW FOR THE SECOND ROUND. The draw for the seoond round of the Welsh Amateur Cup, which is to be played on Novem- ber 23rd, resulted as follows:— Holyhead v. Bangor, at Holyhead); referee, Mr W. LI. Jones. Carnarvon v. Pwllheli, at Carnarvon; referee, Mr J. Roberts, Bangor. Colwyn Bay v. Llandudno, at Colwyn Bay; referee, Mr F. H. Beech. RhyL v. Greenfield, at Rhyl; referee, Mr Slater. Flint v. Denbigh, at Flint; referee, Mr J. EL Vincent, Llandudno. A BEAUMARIS COMPLAINT. A complaint was received from the Beaumaris Club that their players had bean roughly handled, at Carnarvon, by the spectators, when y.ing a match there with the local team. P .,a The following were appointed1 to enquire into the matter :-Moosrs R. J. Hughes, J. C. Wit. Hams, H. Lloyd, J. H. Vincent, and S. Will- man. LATE STARTS. Mr D. H. Hughes called attention to several late starts that had recently occurred in con- nection with matches this season, and the Secre- tary was instructed to ask- alii referees to report late starts in future. THE NEXT MEETING. It was decided1 that the next meeting of the Association be held at Rhyl.

NORTH WALES »tfEDNES.DA\C LEAGUE. LLANDUDNO CELTS v, CORINTHIANS. ((By "Linesman.") A large number of spectators on Wednesday wit- nessed a League encounter between the Llandudno Celts and the Corinthians. The teams lined up as follows Celts: Goal Stallard; backs, J. Lunt, T. J. Roberts; half-backs, J. Hargreaves (captain). J. Marsh. W. Lunt; forwards, Richardson, J. Owen, W. Winne. J. Jones and W. D. Williams, Corinthians: Goal, Thomas; backs. J. R. Davies. Fred Jones; half-backs, A. Jones. Barker. J. Parry; forwards, Francis Brookes. Sodon, Allmar, and Lll Davies. Referee: Mr J. H. Roberts, Bangor. The first half was full of exciting play. Both teams were fairly evenly matched, and a hard game ensued. Allman opened the score for the Oorinthians with a shot which gave the Celts' custodian no chance of bringing off a save and not long afterwards Barker added their second point with a long punt from centre, which Stallard misjudged. But the Celts, after a bout of hard work. succeeded through Jones, their inside left, to find the net. Half-time: Corin- thians, 2; Celts 1. The second half opened with a spirited attack by the "claret and blue." Again and again they pressed the Corinthians' defence, but the burly Fred Jones seemed to be everywhere, and did yeoman service for his side. At length W. Lunt electrified the spec- tators by running theleather up. tricking Fred Jones, and scoring with a low ground shot, thus putting the teams on a level footing. The Corinthians (-TttivMied. and Stallard was severely tested but he fisted out in fine style. The Celts got down and forced a corner, which the Corinthians had some difficulty in ciearing, but Fred Jones sent out with a long punt thus setting his forwards in motion, but their final effort was weak. The Celts then got up. a.nd W. D. Williams put in a shot which Thomas only managed to clear by tipping over the bar. The corner was placed behind. Right up to the finish the play was spirited, and both custodians were called upon but neither citadel fell. In W. D. Wil- liams the Celts possess an ideal outside left. He can move, and Is very tricky. Jim Parry shone in the ranks of the Cirinthians. and Barker distinguished himself by playing well. There waa little to choose between the teams and the game ended in a draw of two goals each.

HOCKEY. LLANDUDNO v. WREXHAM. Played at Llandudno on Saturday, the teams being as follows:- Llandudno: L. Mayger; T. J. Hudson and 0,- N, Jones; O. B. Turner. A. Hague and T. G. Thomas; E. E. Bone. R. Woodward, W. E. Jones. W. Bailey and R. Hamer. Wrexham: W. Johnson; T. G. Littlebov and W. S. Skene; J. B. Reed, J. Whit.ehouse and H. Jones; B. Podmore, H. Findley. D. Powell. R. Evans, and H. Charles. The game was well contested but the homesters were the superior team. Result: Llandudno 3, Wrexham 1.

ROAD MAKING NEAR ST. ASAPH. DISCUSSION AT THE RURAL DISTRICT COUNCIL MEETING. On Friday, at the mooting of the Rural District Council at St. Asaph a letter was read from Miss Bibby, of Vachwon, asking when the road near that place was to be steam rolled, and whether the stones placed there were to be carted away. The Clerk said the Surveyor had arranged to cart the stones away from the side of the rjad and to supply chippings in their place. He knew nothing about the steam rolling. Mr Morgan: Is not this the place where it was said that stones were raked off on Sunday? (Laughter). Mr Conwv Bell said he had fully discussed the matter with Mr Bibby, and thought it was settled. It was understood that, as there was light 'traffic on the road, the large st ines should be removed, and injre suitable material placed there. Mr Bibby offered to pay for steam rolling it the Council provided the macadam. The Surveyor observed that he had arranged for the clippings, which in this case would cost m more than the macadam. Mr Wm. Morris said lie understood that this was a public road, but why were they treating it in a different manner to other places. lie reminded the Council that there was still such a place in existence as the d'ftia Postol Road Rhuddlan. (Laughter). He could not get any stones, much less chippings cr steam rolling for that.. He did not see why they should make better roads for the well-to-do than for the poor. The Clerk: Chippings will not cost more. and you must consider the traffic. Here is a road used solely by a few rubber tyred vehicles. You don't want the same material for that as for main roads. Mr Conwy Bell asked the Council to consider what they were doing. Mr Bibby and his family were large ratepayers and unless they could get a proper road, suited to the traffic, they would not stay in the district. Mr Bibby was willing to help the Coun- cil all he pou!d. and had offered to pay for steam rolling. They ould not expect a rubber tyred vehicle to run over rough stones all the year round, and it was a waste of material to put down large macadam. Mr Morris proposed that the necessary material be supplied, but that the Council do not pay for steam rolling. Mr Morgan said he agreed with Mr Bell as to Mr Bibhy. but he hoped the Council would not adopt a policy of making fish of one and flesh of another. He would like chiupings on the road to his home, as he did not like travelling over rough stones. He gave all his time to the public and he travelled about as much as anyone, yet he had to put up with ordinary macadam. Mr G. Williams seconded Mr Morris' motion. Mr Conwv Bell The whole cause of this bother was the report of the Surveyor that Mr Bibby and his friend were there, on a Sunday afternoon raking the stones away to the side of the road. I consider that a in 1st uncalled-for remark. The Road Surveyor: He had no right to touch the road. Mr Conwv Pel! And vou need not have referred to Sunday afternoon. A man has a right to do what he iikesi on Sunday without it being specialty mentioned here. We can keep certain remarks to ourselves, and there is no necessity to bring them things out in a meeting. It gives a bad impression and a little tact drws far more than making a fuss in public. It was decided to repair the road with chippings other arrangement* as to eteam rolling bolaf left ..ilih Mr Bibby.