The Welsh Coast Pioneer and Review for North Cambria

MR LLOYD GEORGE'S RECEPTION AT THE STATION. It wis genetia-lly expected that Mr L'oya George, would arriva in time to attend the re- oeption, and many of the guests waited on in the hope of seeing and possibly of hearing him. Mr Herbert Lewis, however, announced that as Mr Lloyd George would not arrive' until 10.30, he could not very well come to the re- ception, but if any of the guests happened to be going in the direction of the railway sta- tion they might have the opportunity of meet- ing tho President of the Board of Trade there. The hint was immediately acted upon, and hundreds proceeded to the station, and when the train steamed in there were some hundreds on the down platform. The people crushed round Air Lloyd George's carriage door, cheer- ing and singing "He's a jolly good fellow." With difficulty Mr Lloyd George, who seemed gratified by tho popular fervour of the wel- come, alighted, and it v.as Alice Gee, of Den- bigh, who e-ecured the first handshake. The right hon. gentleman's progress along the plat- form, over the bridge, and to the exit was rather a trying experience. Outside there was a great crowd, and the cheering was renewed. Mr Lloyd George entered a brougham in wait- ing, and had no eooncr done so than the horco was liberated from the shafts, and the vehicle haulc-d swiftly along the streets to the West- minster Hotel by as many delighted persons as could get a hand upon any part of the car- riage. The people followed, and assembled round the hotel. Mr Lloyd George, pausing on the steps leading up to the ma.in entrance, and in response to calls for a speech, spoke a. few sentences in Wekh, and then, translating his previous utterances, said in English:— >• "Ladies and gentlemen,—I thank you very much for meeting me at the station and es- corting me -through the quiet streets of Rhyl. 1 am engaged at present on a very anxious work, a work which I hope will end in peace. (Loud cheers.) It is to me a very great, en- couragement that my friends in Wales should receive me with so much kindness when I am engaged on that great task." (Loud cheers.) The right hon. gentleman then entered tho hotel.

MEETING OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL. THE PROPOSED SCHEME OF RE-ORGANISATION. LIBERAL COUNCIL TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE CONVENTION' A meeting of the Council was held at the Palace at ten o'clock yesterday morning. Mr Wynford Phillips, M.P., presiding. MORE FUNDS NEEDED. Mr C. E. Breerse, Portmadoo, the hon. treat. surer, presented a financial statement, tshowing that when tho acoounts were made up in Jury there was a balanoo in hand of £ 14, but at that time there were commitmeriitjs amounting to about UI50. Since then, however, Mr W. H. Hughes, the secretary, had collected, he under- stood, E100, so that the present deficit was about JB120. He thougiit an effort should bo made to raise an additional B200 at least in the course of tho next yoor. and suggested that a committee of six should be appointed to take that work in hand, and to exercise super- vision in financial matters. The report was adopted, and on the motion of the Chairman, seconded by Mr Evan Jones, I":>'n Bala, the suggestion as to the appointment of a committee was referred to the Executive Com- mittee. RE-ORGANISING THE COUNCIL. Mr J. HERBERT ROBERTS, M.P., on behalf of a committee who had considered tho scheme for the re-organisation of the Council, stated that the committee recommended that tho Council in future should tcako the place of the Convention, and should consist ot 808 members, namely, 188 representing North Wales, 570 representing South Wales, and 50 representing Welshpen in London, Liverpool, Manchester, and other English centres where Welshmen were found. This would make a total of 808. The representation of Wales would be one delegate for every 500 electors m the \\c.sh constituencies, and there wais no difference in the relative proportion oi tho representation between North and South. The recommendation to give representation to Wo ash Liberals living outside Walles was un deferenoo to the feeling which had been voiced for some time that it would be well in then- work for Welsh Liberalism to bring in the Liberals living in the largo cities outsido Wales Mr LEWIS HUGHES, Amlwch, pointed out that they could not expect much enthusiasm in certain quartors if the constituencies were treated as at present. If they looked at the list they would find there wore North Wales constituencies that were not represented on the Executive. Mr RAFFELLS, Swansea, urged that the Council meeting should be held at an earlier date in the year, and to keep clear of the end of October. Mr REES, M.P., Montgomery Boroughs, was sure that if they held tho meetings during the holidays they would have a larger attendance. He fe.t that the next meetings should be held in Mid Wales. The Rev. JAMES PHILLIPS supported Mr Raffells. Let them, he said, keep open the final ratification of the scheme. Mr REED, Cardiff, said it was a very diffi- cult matter for the South" Wales delegates to meet at Rhyl in October. To-day at Cardiff, Swansea, Newport, and Alerthyr there was in progress a great fight on educational matters, and it would never do to tako fighting mert away from home at a very serious time. They wanted more fighting nion and less talkers. Unity was strength, and they couldn't afford to allow a section to drop out of the Council through difficulties they were) firying to get over. For ten years the Council had had diffi- culties, but he had hopes of getting over them. He did not want the meetings necessarily at Cardiff, but at convenient centres a.nd on con- venient. Tihe CHAIRMAN and Mr HERBERT RO- BERTS suggested tile -M-oposed' alterations in the constitution of the Council should not be ratified until the Convention had met in South Wales- Air HERBERT ROBERTS moved according- ly. Mr RAFFLES said the new gchcnie could not oorria into force immediately. There would be little difference in the constitution after all, for the Convention of to-d'ay was the Council of to-morrow. Mr ELLIS JONES GRIFFITH felt that if the Convention ratified a scheme it should not bo ups-et North Wales should not upset what South Wales did or vice verts a. WELSH Al-P.'s AND LIBERAL ASSOCIATIONS. Mr J. HERBERT LEWIS said he could not see any objection to the scheme, which was drawn up at a representative meeting. They in North Wales were in the hands of the South Wales people as the next meeting would go to Cardiff. He had always found that Cardiff friends were very fair Aliss GEE moved that the constitution be altered to enable Welsh M.P.a to become mem- bers of Liberal Associations- That was not so according to the present constitution-

ter). "We have a very strong body there," exclaimed the right hon. gentleman, "as 1 know (dhears). They saved my life at one time (laughter and applause)- It is perfectly true— it was a Welshman who d'id it" (laughter). Then you have a large oommunity in London. and these great communities of Welshmen are very enthusiastic. I have seen men who were very indifferent Welshmen at home, who, when they have got to London, have become enthusiastic- It is only when they get away from it and have seen the deficiencies of other nationalities that they begin to realise what a great nation they belong to (laughter and cheers). In their great fight .for education, it was the Liverpool Welshmen who gave invalua ble assis- tance, not at public meetings, but in hard cash (applause). They could not go to their country- men in these districts whenever they were hard up asking for help without, giving them a voice in the declaration of policy. They wanted their help on the Council. The total was only 50. He sympathised with the "fopos:d that the ratification of the new sdheme be deferred, be- cause in South Wales Liberals were busily en- gaged in endeavouring to recapture seats from the Conservatives in the municipal eleoticyis. The Rev. J- PHILLIPS, of Pembrokeshire, the Conservatives in the municipal eleoticyis. The Rev. J. PHILLIPS, of Pembrokeshire, said he was pleaded to listen to the speech of THE RIGHT HON. D. LLOYD GEORGE. I

THE AFTERNOON PROCEEDINGS. MR LLOYD GEORGE AND DISESTAB- LISHMENT. There was an overflowing attendance at the Palace in the afternoon. From the stage, which was crowded with distinguished Welsh Liberal leaders, to tdle rear of the roomy struc- ture every inch of available accommodation was occupied- At tihe outset there wore scened of consider able enthusiasm as the various members of Parliament and others entered the hall, but there was little delay in proceeding with the business. Letters of apology for absence were read from Lord Stanley of Alderley, Lord Glantawe, Sir David1 and Lady Brynmor Jones. Mr L. Phil- ipps M.P-; Mr" Ellis W. Davies, Al-I\; Dr- Aaron Daviop, Alderman Edward Thomas ("Oochfanf"). Cardiff; Air E. Hemmerde, M.P-; Air L. Haslaiji Mr J. C. Gladstone, the Hon Ivor C. Gueet, M.P.; Mr Hovvel Idris, Lord Joicey, Mr AlcKenna, M.P.. and others.

Rev. J. HUGH EDWARDS felt that they should keep the Welsh M.P.'G outside the exe- cutive as there were occasions when they wan- tod to tako t.he We-Jsh jyi.P.'s to task (laugh- ter). The M.P.'s could talk at Westminster, and they in Wales wanted to be able to have a say without them (laughter). The CHAIRMAN pointed out that by the edheine to be ratified Webb.P.'s would be eligible. The Rev. J. EDWARDS said he would oro- poso that they bo excluded- Tihe CHAIRMAN said he did not think that there was anyone who was too modest to speak face to faoe with a Welsh M.P. The Rev. HUGH EDWARDS said it was not a question off modesty, but there were men who felt humiliated and awed in the presence of the great Welsh M.P.'s ("No, no"). Mir R. HUGHES seconded, and felt that they should be able to calithowelaii M.P.'s to order ("No. no")- Air DAVID (Llanelly) argued that if they had the Welsh. M.P.'a in the Council all could the better get into line. Ilow oould they ivork together if they divided themselves ? Mr RAFFLES thought that it would not be desirable that M.P. ,'i should be permitted to serve on the executives of Liberal Associations. That would stop criticism and practically dupli- oate the Welsh Party. The Rev HUGH EDWARDS' motion was deferred until the next meeting. Mr H. D. REES objected to the likening by one of the delegates of a meeting of the Welsh Parliamentary Party to a meeting of Kilkenny cats. That description might be highly pic- turesque, but it was much overdrawn (laugh- tor). He considered that if a meeting of the Welsh members was characterised as being of a "pale unanimity," it would bo much fairer. During tihe two years he had attcndetl the Welsh Parliamontf-y Party meetings be had never seen so much as a aoratcfh (laughter).

Mr Lloyd George, and he now supported the sc/heme oft constitution- They had now a chance of strengthening LiberaJism, but they had a great fight before them in tho County Council election of 1910. Wales could not do better than at the last Parliamentary election, when they returned a solid phalanx of Welsh members, but they could perfect their organisation. Mr REED paid that the difficulty in the past in South Wales was that they had not two parties, but 20 parties (laughter). In North Wales it would1 pot be possible to capture the Liberal Convention, but in South Wales men of independent spirit existed- The recommendations were adopted subject to tho confirmation of the next Convention.

could be brought against the Celt (hear, hear). The Celt was iiiu ttickie he was steadfast and uncharge able. For the last 40 years the per- centage oi fluctuation was very little. It was hardly recognisable in Wales. Some countries might have high temperature at oiiq election, and low temperature the next, the pulse beat fast or slow, but in Waies the temperature did not get high or low, and the nube did not get be- yond a certain, beat. It w-s even and steady (applnus?). All doctors would tell them that tiiat. slowed 'that their hearts were sound (checr-s). They all knew that tho welsh attitude towards religious equality was sound at heart, and the time had come when they should insist trait sometmng sli<ou.ki b3 done. For 20 years he had adv-ocated disestablishment, and he would tall them that the Government meant to do sometning for them, and they as W eishmea had advocated for 40 or 50 years. 11,11", meant to set up a glorious fight, one of the most glorious Wale5 ihad ever witnessed, and they meant that the corner stone cC that temple should be religious, freedom, and equality (cheers). They would start in their ec.vools next year. It Welsh Disestablishment receded at ail at tihe jaat general election, it only receded because they put ^.sestablisnment in the schools in front off it-(ikar, liear),-an-d because Weisnmcn were shrewd politicians. Tfliey saw their opportunity, and realised, that England being fully alive 10 the importance of promoting the school question, and that there would be a chance to press forward that great branch or clL^'Stabhsnment and ctisenqlwment of the sdho-ols. Attar all, their great education proposals were proposals for Disestablishment, and lie wanted to emphasise that the education question was at the root of the question of Dis- establishment and Disendowment. He was brougiit up in a sectarian school, and knew something about tnom. They were seminaries to wiuoh o a Lid re n were driven by law practi- cally, they being often the outly schools in the neighbourhood. they were the reugion 01 one scot at tne expense at the na- tion. Two and a half millions omldren in Eng- land aikd Waies were driven by law in this way within tne sphere of irmuence of tria cat-ecti-sm. It was very strange that after the law compelling Noncon.ormists to attend L'tiureh, had been abolished, children were com- pelled to attend the scnoois ot me Established Uhuro.i -for that was 80 to all practical pur- poses- lio was very glad that they had had a talk about Discstaonsnment at Lai-u'ift, not that tnerc was any1 disagreement' in-c-ra, not that there was any real o.nerence theie. THE ii'Jt-r>E ijUiV-US. It had clt-ared away any misunderstanding, but beaore they stai t-eu'they would nave to ciear out ot tae way the only serious ou»iade in the pain Oi Welsh Reioim. na-meiy, tne House ot Lords (applause), tie surveyed t;.e position as one navmg haa great experience ot ngincmg in W 04H politics, and he haa come to the delibe- raw eotiicuusiou. that uiere was no part 01 the 'country t-nac nad WO much interest as getting riu oi the veto o- tihe Dords as W ales iiau- Xne W t'isn iJarty had always nad on their pro- grumime i^is-estuOhshinenc, Education. -Liecnniug .l:\0Or1Li, WIU1 special legislation lOr dLb, aqu JjuuU Koiorm iniiii special leg .slat ion for w ai-es. lie-ins had been on tme-lr programme- or U years. There was not one ot tnem ,¡W would snake hana's wlfn one 01 uvose measiues alter It hud passed throu.gl1 the 110lt ox i.orab- ic would be mutilated and torn, its garments would be in sure-as, and it emerge a mere tramp of a bill. The House -o. i^orc's stood in ttio way of every one a tn&t.r measures (applause). No one could doubl lor a moment taac the country nad deinanued tne Educauou iiill, but the iiouse elf Loras threw it Out- Une part o: tnat U-iil was csieciaiiy Welsh. Welsh- uiOA were unanimous, and L i .?.v should be granted complete autonomy in mutteis of edu- oatwn. They had managed their own higher education, universities, and secondary education suoceeatully, and without any intencrence from Whneiiait, who knew nothing about eisli edu- cation and wno probably cared less. Tney had pwbably the best secondary school system in the Empire (hear, hear). Their own was a first class system—worked out by themselves. The third system was that of primary education. But v'horeas they were first in secondary educa- tion they we<re something like third in their primary education. Why: Because the pri- mary school were not their own (cheers)- It was (something which had been thrust upon them by some authority outside. As long as they were allowed to do their own thinking they thought pretty clearly, but the worpt service they could ronder to a.ny man was to let another man think for him. Welshmen had. thought for themselves in the matter of higher and secondary educa- tion; let them think for themselves on primary education (applause). They would then have the finest system of education in the world. At present they had a s-stem whereby a child could' fight from the lowest step of the ladder right up to the top. Yes, but it was a system whereby tihe higher rungs of the ladder were under their own control, while the lowest rungs were under he control of somebody e'se, and they were often so exceedingly rotten that the children could not get on them (applause and laughter)- He wanted a Welsh ladder made for

The recommendations were adopted subject to tike confirmation of the next Convention- ■ Tiie President (Mr Del Lloyd' George) was re-I elected, as waG also the hon. treasurer (Air Breese, Portmadoc), and the eeoreiary (Mr W. H. Hughes). This concluded the Council meeting-

CONSTITUENT LIBERAL ASSOCIA- TIONS. AIR LLOYD GEORGE ON THE VALUE OF CONVENTIONS. A meeting of representatives of constituency Liberal Associations appointed to the Conven- tion was held at 11-30 a.m. for the purpose of considering the amendments in the constitution of tho Council. Air LLOYD GEORGE, who presided, pro- posed tlic adoption of the new constitution as agreed to at tihe Council meeting. He said that the meeting was to be a purely business one. There wero certain defects in the machinery to bo attended to- At first the Council was purer IX an experiment on a basis which had not been tried anywfiere else, and naturally in the course of years they had found tihe defects of the* machine, and it had been decided rather to broaden it. Up to the present the Council con- sisted of a rather small body, which, in the ag- gregate, numbered 100 members, three from each constituency. An attendance of anything which exceeded 50 per oent- oould not be obta.ined of any body of delegates- The new organisation would give a substantial repre- sentation to each constituency, and out of that they would always be able to secure 6omc faith- ful person from every district who would at- tend. The new rules would give power to or- ganise conventions, not merely of representa- tives of Liberal Associations, but also of all sympathetic associations, such as the Free Church Councils and the labour organisations. Such oonventions were held during the educa- tion crisis, but under the rules they were irre- gularly summoned, and some people were extra- ordinarily constitutional (laughter). He had in his time seen many rows-^fkughter),—and the worst, of all were constitutional- It was a case over again of the "Hen p-vfartaoddittd a',r cyf- antsoddiad' newvdd" (the Old Dispensation and tihe new) (laughter). Turning to the seoond point, the admission of WeJshmen from the English centres, Mr Lloyd George said tfhat Welshmen had now recrossed OftV8 Dyke, and were beginning to xeoovcr the lands which were stolen from them 1600 years ago (laughter)- Bye and bye, he believed' they would accomplish this- There was hardly anything of the old wall left-it could bo croaked in a motor c-ir-and the Welsh had jjarrietna in Liverpool and Birmingham (laugh

AiR HOWELL IDRIS AND LICENSING KtruKM- Mr HOWEL IDiiio wioie titatlll, he was sorry He oouiu not auciid, ovcau.se ne could not support too rtsoiuuon on iicensiug lalorm to oe suoiiiaitou at tiu meeting, aim ior other reasous 'J.ILJ¡e ieoww was reuu miust some jeering. Iviit LbVXV G-CiOitUE bl'rj.vlv.-o. Immediately atiervvaruti, Mr Liuyci George, wlno oocupieu tiie Ciiair, rcao- and this a sigmtj ivr prolonged and euuiusiasuc cheering, nod sdiu ne aiso very much regretted he couiu not remain witn present uu-ui the close ou the meo-uug but ne ti«ougut he snouid attend and ueuvar his own ieoier of apology person- ally (lauigntei"). He was i-wt quite sure wnetiier lie wouiu noo preier doing that to writing tue letter (renewed laughter). lie had to reiurn to Lunulon, because ne must be there early on the toiiowing rnioimug in connection with THE GRAVE CRISIS. now before taa country (near, near). Tho less he aaid about that rnaiicr the better. Trie only remark he would like to make was that a great etriKe would in itself be a sail disaster to tneir traue. arid ne appealed-and. he did &o with oontio'e-nce—to all classes oi the community to support tutu in en}CJ- fair step he would take to put an end to it (Loud and prolonged ap- plause). Continuing, the right hon- gentleman cailed attention to the comprehensiveness of the pro- gramme. It covered the whole ground of cur- rent political controversy. The tnreo firit reso- lutions—dealing with the House of Lords, Dis- establishment, and ocilti,cat,lo., ciuo-tious-vouid probably bo those on wihicth nacvst of their at- tention would be concentrated- They were pro- bably more controversial and on that account they would appeal to every Welshman (laligh- ter and applause). With regard to THE DISESTABLISHMENT RESOLUTION they would observe they had adopted bodily, witliout the alteration of a single comma, the resolution carried unanimously at the great Cardiff Convention- It reprc-onted the unani- mous desire and unanimous demand of Wetlsh Liberalism, and1 they could not nossibly rooedo from it (loud applause). By that resolution they, each one of them, atood-aibd he spoke with a full sense of his responsibility—or tell. Disestablishment had becomio a fundamental article of their religious fa.itlh-the religious faith of Wales (applause). They did not argue about it. but they accepted it. It was deep down in the innermost conscience of every Welshman (applause). In his own opinion, even those who voted against it in the ballot box realised1 in their vory hearty that there was a demand that could not be resisted (applause). Wales had demanded Disestablishment election after election by constitutional methods. Welsh- men did not, change from election to election (applause). To say that Welshmen were change I able was one of the moist atuyid' charges that t I

the Welsh lad by Welsh hands, and out of Welsh oak (touct applause). They were all agieed about that (hear, hear). All Conserva- tives who wore educationists first—(hear, hear) —-agreed about it they had had the sapjK>rt of a considerable number o. Conservative eq'uoa- tiomsus in Wales. But what ha.d been the re- sult The House O Lords would not Look at their Bill. They refused to consider it. A Highland laird, a Lord Cawdor, a ratne-r noisy orator, of the tub-thumping dtN. <(Iaugitter)- who had nothing Welsh about iiiin except t.he Welsh rents he drew from his Welsh tenants in Carmarthenshire—a man who. virion he tried to get into Parliament for part of that county, was rejected by his own tenantry—this gentle- man presumed to take over the enlightening of the House of Lords on the needs of Wales, and he asked the Peers to throw the Bill out. Their lordsnips did so, and that with c'oJight, gusto, rowdily, noisily, and ignorantly (loud cheers). Ther0 was no question of prejudice there. There was no great questicwi involving the rights of property there and no subject involv- v ing dispute between the Nonconformists and the Chtirchpepple. It was a question of trusting the people with the education of their own sons and daughters, but the lordly Hoibe gaid "No" (shame) After that, could they trust the House of Lords with anything that was Weigh (applause, and cries of "No"). He said if they c-,uld not get a little thing like that through the House of Lords, how were thev going to get Dises- tablishment through? (applause). How were they going to get licensing reform and power to protect the homes of the people? How couM they got land reform, which went heme to the hearts of everyone ? They might as well trv to tako a railway train to Bangor without pari in through the tunnels at Penniaenmawr as to take the Welsh truelcs through the House of Lords without getting a way through its veto (applause). That. was the wav he had from the very start emphasised. He had dwelt upon it. and ho said that it was a pure waste of time from a Welsh point of view to do anything un- til they had got the veto of the Lord, out of the way (hear, hear) lie had urged that in seas-on and out of season, and would continue to do so. It was their most important question (applause)- Personally, h-3 had no grievance against, the House of Lords. He had" passed several Bills through the House of Lords, and they, the I/>rds. li-tc? blessed them. Perliaps it was largely duo to the fact that they did not understand them (laughter). All his EiJls had to deal with trade, and "my lords" thought that above them (laughter). The Lord's could deal with liquor, land, game, and '^arsons, but thev could not. touch trade (laughter). As he had said he had ruo grievance against the House of Lords _pe.rsona.lly, and he could be usefully occupied1 in passing Board of Trade Bills, but as a Welshman—(applause)—he would not rest 1 until they cleaned away that veto which blocked the way to Paradise (applause). WALES AIUST NOT BE OVERLOOKED- He said that if the Government was going on passing Bills dealing with domestic legislation, Wales would have to bv in tne list (applause). If it meant filling the cup. then Wales should be in the cup. That was what he liked in the Cardiff resolution. He thought that in the first place it was meant to foroo Disestablishment through the House, whether the Government deemed it good to make the attack on the Lord., or not. It was for the general and the staff to take the responsibility ior deciding the time when the attack should be made (hear, hear). There was iio more fatal mistake than ior any nation or people to interfere with the fighting force and the strategy and tactics of the gene- rals. If tha pe-o-ple did not trust those at the head of affairs, why did they not turn them out., and send others to take the lead" (hear, hear). Let them sond others up. and they would quickly find out what they were made of (applause). They must trust- to the judg- ment of the man in command (applause). Their leaders had served them well, and if they were supported the time would come when they would strike, dnd he believed that they would strike home (applause)- Proceeding for a short time in Welsh, Mr Lloyd George, turning round to the Rev. Evan Jones, of Carnarvon, said he had on his left a dear old friend who had spoken on that question in company with him twenty-five or thirty years ago. (Loud applause.) He could only hope the dalY was not far distant now when their mutual lie pes would be realised, I MR. HALDANE, MINISTER OF WAR. I but he urged them all to remember that what en seemed to be the shortest TOut-e was frequently found to be the longest. They should not try to walk through a bog when a more satisfac- tory way could be found by making a little detour. (Applause.) Ho had been a Disestab- lishment- advocate from his birth—(laughter)— and would continue to be one. (Applause.) Continuing, Mr Lloyd George said he was delighted they were going to deal with social problornii at that meeting, and at the great Cardiff Convention there was nothing more significant than the fact that, though the con- vention had been summoned for another special purpose, not a single voice was raised against the series of matters brought forward dealing with social refofm—a provision for the aged poor (hear, hear), the housing of the working ciae.ses, getting rid of the horrible slums which were a libel on their Christianity, and protect- ing the people against the ravages of drink. They wero all equally interested in such im- portant questions. That was an important matter because it showed, in his opinion, that the banner of Nonconformity was meant to wave in the forefront of the battles in the future, as it had done in the past, for progress. (Applause.) The Free Churches in this coun- try were probably the most potent, democratic organisations in Europe, and if they cast the whole of their influence on the side of social reform the battle was already won. Liberalism did not necessarily me-an fighting to rcdreas their own wrongs; it meant fighting to rodress every wrong, it meant liberty all round, jus- tice all round, progress all along the line, and, of course, that was the pride of Welshmen. (Applause.) Ho sometimes thought they had been left behind, but thcir's was an honourable record. They liad fought for Catholic emanci- pation, the disestablisfement of the Church in Ireland, and how he wished the Irish people remembered that fact now. (Hear, ihear.j They thad fought for the redemption of the Bul- garians from the attacks of the Turks. They had given five years of their political life to break down thraldom in the East, far away from the hills of Wales. (Hear, hear.) Libe- ralism was not a. selfish creed, and he was glad that. though they were now fighting for dis- establishment they all remembered the aged poor, those who dwelt in the slums. Home! Thcjy were not homes; they were places of perdition, where men were punished for sins not their own, and there was no nobler aim than to help in redeeming that wretched multi. tude from their doom. (Loud and prolonged. applause.) WALES AND THE HOUSE OF LORDS. Air J. WYNFORD PHILLIPS, Al.P., then moved the following resolution:— "That tliis Convention heartily endorses the policy declared by the Prime !Alinistx\r tin reference to the House of Lords, and, recog- nising that the supremacy of the elected cham- ber is of vital moment to the rea.isation of the aspirations of the Welsh people, pledges itself to support the Government in any action which may be necessary to trecure that the will of the people in legislation shall prevail." Ho said that the fight against the House of Lords was to be a severe one, but they were determined to fight. After reviewing the action of the Lord, in throwing out the Libe- ral measures, the speaker Laid that the prin- cipal Bill of the next session wouJd be an Education Bill, tho same as the Bill of 1906 was also an Education Bill. (Applause.) As to land reform, the House of Lords had cut up the Agricultural Holdings Bill so that the giving of notices in a certain part of North Wales had been made possible. (Hear, hear.) The time had come when they would give up talking about tho House of Lords, but would act, and act in a right and strenuous way. (Applause.) It was no use attacking the House of Lords with the blunt end of a pitchfork; they would have to give it a touch with the busine< £ s end. (Applause.) Mr P. WILSON. Raff an* second, a.nd pointed out that the people of Wales were satisfied tha.t the House of Lords had stood in the way of all social reform for years. With suc-h a body the people could expect to be kept down, and lie feit that the Government should devise ways and means by way of t,he Budget to defeat the Lords until they had settled the form the great attack would take. (Applause.) Mr OSAIOND WILLIAMS, in supporting the resolution, said the Lords had always fought 1 1 against civic and religious freedom and equality. They had rejected the Plural Voting Bill be- cause it aimed to promote equality as between rich and poor, and because it would curiously I hurt the Tory party. "Here was another Radical measure." they said, "let us throw it out." The Upper House was an association of old men in senile decay and young men who were given over to the delights of horse racing and Diabolo. (Laughter.) The Lords had no amount of abnormal education, but lie might be told that they had been to Eton, Harrow. Oxford, and Cambridge, but it was not bock learning that was responsible for 5 per cent. of the commonsense of the world. PRESSING FOR DISESTABLISHMENT. Mr LLOYD GEORGE at this juncture had to leave to catch a train, and the chair was then occupied by Sir Alfred Thomas, M.P. He moved the following resolution:— "That, having regard to the approaching struggle between the democracy and the Upper House of Parliament, this Convention deems it of supreme importance that the ur- gency, no less than tho justice, of Disestab- lishment and Disendowment for Walcu should not to be obscured by any other issues, and therefore declares that it is of the greatest importance that the Welsh Disestablishment Bid should be introduced and passed by the Hoiw-e of Commons during the fourth session of t,he existing Parliament, unless that ten- sion be devoted exclusively to determining the issue between the Peers and the Peop.e, or to legislation directly affecting the Electoral Law; and that, should there be a Dissolution, this question of Disestablishment and Disen- downicnt be made one of the foremost issues referred by the present Government to the constituencies, and tha.t it occupy a promi. nent. position among the most urgent meaturcs in the legislative programme of the Govern- ment." In moving the resolution, Sir ALFRED THOMAS pointed out that, in the United Stares and the Colonies there was no Established Church. He deplored that their country was go backward in this respect, but trusted that it would be remedied c;e long. He wanted the Govern- ment to understand. that there was to be no shirking this question. They were deter- mined that t.he matter should not be shelved. There ha-d been a rumour that Air Asquith was not in favour of Disestablishment. That was not so. It was a libel upon Mr Asquith. Ih Disestablishment they would remove the greatest obstacle to religious liberty and free- dom the world had ever seen. The Rev EVAN JONES, Carnarvon, in se- conding. sai-d that although he was an old aaan now, there might be a few who desired to hear his "c.viics tlyÜd" (comession 01 launj in viow. or recent proceedings, there LIe any doubi in the matter he re-peate-u his Ilrill con act-ions in has faith in. tne lead-eigaip of Aij ijiovd George aiuiouga De was not quate III aglOO- meiu la certain small tnangs witn some oi the Party. He audoci—"I am too old a man to turn my poinioai coat" iloud appiau^e, an4 laughter). Coionel Sr IVOR HERBERT, in supporting the resolution, declared ne was there to nt-iip to drive in the nails that would lasten the nag of Disestablishment to the Hag-post 01 tIle flail National tjon vent ion. Mr ELLIS GRIFFITH said ho hoped tnat they would hurry up the welsh Church L-oiiuhiasion- He wisuea to give an explanation as to why he did not express hia at Cardiff. Ha was surprised and ctiaep- puiiJiAv;1 at the recent action in. connection v, ut» th3 W eisui Uo-uiiuussion. 'mere was a ieeimgot unrest in Waies, because he thought, and ute eJsh members generally thou^nt, that the third Session was 10 be aevoteu to Dusestabiiwii- liient. Tney had looked .orward to H, and naturally were disappointed when they learned that it was not to be Educational and Licens- ing Reform tney were going to nave, but lia did not see wny ctiey snoiud come beiore Dur establishment ( voice: Circumstances have cnaugeu). if tney were going to be tne slaves oi circumstances tney wouid never get torwar-d- Welshmen must be masters o. political subject There was a feeling that tne House of lvorda would throw it out (a voice: yuite ngbp. Mir Lloyd George had said he agreed' with tlie cup filling, but ne (tihe speaker) said that if Aere was any cup filling disestablishment must be in it (applause). V\ as there a cup tilling or was there none; (ones of and "No"). Did they mean to say that edtvaitio<u and licensing retorm was not tilling tne cup > They should tell tne House o. Lords Chat the Liberal nad passed certain Bills tnrough the House ot Lords, and they could throw them out li they Lked (applause). should fignt the House of Lords as the House of Lords and on the m9&- sures they had rejected (applause). The next Parliament was to be a Parliament of five years, and it was calculated tin at it would tako 18 months to force a measure through the House t Lords, so it left- three years or so for otner business-^ .Surely, Dc-establishment should ba one od the subjects to be dealt w it a. and it should be dealt with ë. t the next election, and he onus of rejecting it should1 be thrown on the House of Lords- iiiU they were not told wnat was to be the first measure at the next general election, unless it was to IJoC the House of Lords- And sriould it mot also be that of Hiss- establishment, and all the other measures it had rejected'! To Wales. Disestablishment wan tho first and foremost thing. He was afraid, and he said so candidly, to postpone that matter indefinitely from year to year. He quite admitted wnat had been ex- pressed in tne form of a military metaphor, but though they had a Prime Minister and a Cabi- net—and he must remark at that point tha.t iio had never spoken a word about the Prime Minister, nor Mr Lloyd George, except those of the greatest respect—they were a democratic) party, and they were not to be commanded to 00 aiivtiling without reason or argument tinear, lar)- were noc bound to taiie everything- tor granted and Welsh member were not hold- ing their seats serviie;y (hear, near). He wouxf remmd them, however, that they ihad n-ad no detinue promise in respect to the fourth session ot Parliament yet Mr Hafuane would 00 WItAb. them that evening, and t-nat would aiiord nun an op[>onuhity to give tthein an assur- ance on tinaft point- i or forty years the ques- tion had been put before the w eisn people general election alter general election. In lotil tnat had been the second question om the pro- graming at tne National Federation, ¥-d lourteen years nad passed 6ince a Diseetablisui- ment tlLij had l'acd tnrou-u'h its second read- ing ill tile House 01 Commons, aJHl surely, It was tnus obvious that VV aies was ripe for the measure, aud aies Remanded recognitiou (hear. hear). it was beeaube he thougiit tLle meeting took t-tiat view that ne was glad. Ll VEILY IN TERK L PT ION S- Air Ilaidano would have the opportunity to apeak to a Welsh audience on the matter that evening. He only hoped Air Haldane would not go back saying there v ao « division of opin- ion amongst them. A Voice Don t you split the ranks ("Order") Mr GRIFFITH (emphatically) I am not, but better split the raniis and tell the trutil a great c'eal- At tins point there were several interruptions, cries of "Lloyd George tar ever" mingling- with oncers and vehement demands for order. At length, the hon. membar was able to pro- ceed. He said he sureiy had no object in dividing the party- If they united in tne view he presented to them he was oemfident that during the fourth session o. the nresent Parlia- meat. Waies would reap the fruit of her long service and allegiance to the Liberal Party. EDUCATION: POPULAR CONTROL AND ABOLITION OF lESiS Alderman J. POWELL, J.P., in moving the resolution on education, said that they felt when they framed the resolution, that they were lay- ing the foundation stone of Home RuLe for W ales- They wanted no dictation from London as to how they should conduct their educational affairs. They wanted to be masters m their own ihouae- He moved the following resolu- tion — "That the Convention arnrms uirD urgent necessity of securing a nermanent settlement of the education question, and expresses the conviction that such a settlement must bo based upon popular control, tlxe abolition of all denominational tests, and the realisation of a national ideal in odticatio-n. and further expresses tlie hope that tihe Government will recognise in the Bill of next year the necessi- ty for the creation of a body which shall have power 10 6upeni:soe and promote ecluoation in Waleo-' Air H. D. REES. M.P., in seconding the re- solution, hoped that they would have an ex- planation from t.he Education Almister a6 to the differential grants as between England and Waies. (Hear, hear.) He thought that it was unwise to postpone legislation because tihey thought it might be defeated by the House of Lords. They should use every weapon they could at present lay hold of in the furtheranoo of their objects. Air WM. JOES. M.P., and the Rev. DAVID OLIVER. D.D., supported the resolution, which was carried unanimously. LICENSING REFORM. Mr HERBERT ROBERTS moved the follow- ing .resolution: — "That this Conference rc-affirms the lead- ing place of Ternpeiance in the Liberalism of Wales, and expresses its satisfaction that the Lioensing Bill will be one of the first mea- sures of the next Session of Parliament. It further emphasises the fact that all the We1.eii Parliamentary representatives support tlie claim of Wales to separate treatment in this measure of Licensing Reform, and presses the Government to insert in the Bill clauses providing for the inclusion of Mon- mouthshire within the Sunday closing area, the effective regulation of drinking clubs, the neccssary amendment of the Welsh Sunday Closing Act, and an immediate recognition of the right of the ratepayers to control the issue and reward of licences in the areas in which they are concerned." He said that t.hey would ail rejoice to learn that Mr Af Juith was to ta.ke charge of a Licensing Bill next session, a.nd that that mea- sure would include special treatment for Wales. The Rev. J AS. PHILLIPSseconded. Upon the Chairman putting the resolution to the meeting, Dr Evans (Bangor) rose and said tha.t he had given notice several days ago of an amendment. He then shouted cut, wav- ing his arms, "The flag is down. The old flag's down. Local option for Wales." Mr HERBERT ROBERTS stated that tho amendment was embodied in the resolution, but Dr Evans declined to accept jt. He shüuted "No" to the crics of "Aye on tlie resolution being put. LAND REFORAI AND OLD-AGE PENSIONS. Dr HUMPHREY WILLIAMS proposed the following resolution on land rdorm, housing, and old-age pensions: — "That this Convention. whilfet thanking the Government for the land legislation of the last two sessions, desires again to place on record tho fact that the agircultural con- ditions of Wales demand special treatment. It notes with indignation an attempt, which the action of the Hott-e of Lords in post- poning the commencement of the Land Tenure Act has made possible, to deprive a large number of tenants in Wales of some of the benefits which that Act confers, and calls upon the Government to take such mea- sures as will ensure to the tenant the righto which Parliament intended to confer. "The Convention further pledges ita earnest support to the proposals of the Government to deai in the next session of Parliament with the housing question, the valuation of land as a preliminary to the taxa- tion of land values, and the provision of a satisfactory system cf old-age pensions." The speaker urged that the day had come for them to face the real social question. He con- tended, as a medical man. that the degeneracy of the present age was due to the conditions undor which peope lived.. He believed that if there was a will the money for old-age pen- sions could a3 easily be found as for the Boer War. Mr R. JONES (Newtown) seconded, and made a. special reference to the dispute on the Wynastey Estate. He said that Sir Walker had taken a step that had caused great, un- seftlement on the estate. He was afraid that the Act was being approachc-i. in a hostile spirit. The Rev. HUGH EDWARDS supported the resolution. The resolution was carried, aL. a vote of thanks to the Chairman terminated the meeting. A full report of the evening meeting will appear in our later oditione.