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Carnarvonshire County Council
Carnarvonshire County Council BETHESDA URBAN BOUNDARIES THEIR EXTENSION REFUSED. PROPOSED MAIN ROAD EXTENSION AT LLANDUDNO. NEW COUNTY SCHOOL REGULATIONS STRONGLY CRITICISED. APATHETIC WELSH M.P. S.. (From Our Reoorter.) to The quarterly meeting of the Camarvonsmre County Council was held to-day week, at Carnarvon. The Vice-Chairman (Mr R. O. Jones) presided, and there were present: Colonel O. Lloyd J. Evans, Colonel the Hon. H. Lloyd Mostyn, Messrs J. Issard Davies, 0. Wynno Griffith, John Owen, J. R. Pritchard, W. J. Parry, Robert Roberts, Robert Thomas, D. P. Williams, W. H. Williams, R. Conway, C. I. Darbishire, Richard Davies, R. O. Davies, R. B. Ellis, Robert Evans, Ralph Fisher, W. George, T. W. Griffith, J. 0. Hughes, J. R. Hughes, R. Hughes, Griffith Jones, G. 0. Jones, Inigo Jones, J. T. Jones, R. E. Jones, R. 0. Jones, Thomas Jones, Rev. W. W. Lloyd, Rev. Wm. Morgan, Messrs J. Jones Morris, H. Owen (Cefn), H. Owen (Clynnog), Rev. O. G. Owen, Messrs Robert Owen, C. Pom, W. Pierce, Dr. R. A. Prichard, Rev. G. Ceidiog Roberts, Messrs G. Hughes Roberts, Ellis W. Davies, M.P., H. Lloyd Carter, W. Pierco, P. Mclntyre, Matthew Roberts, R. Jones Roberts, Thomas Roberts, W. Rheidiol Roberts, H. C. Vincent, W. M. Wil- liams, G. F. C. Yale, A. Ivor Parry, John Jones, Wm. Evans, C. A. Jones, T. C. Lewis, with the Clerk (Mr J. T. Roberts), and the other officials. VOTE OF CONDOLENCE. A vote of condolence was passed with Mr Ro- bert Evans, on the death of his wife. PROPOSED NEW POLICE BUILDINGS AT LLANDUDNO. OPPOSITION Tp THE SCHEME. Mr J. R Hughes introciuced a discussion with regard to the proposal to erect now police build- ings at Lliiidudio, at a cost of JE7000. He moved that no application be made fer the mcnay until the agreement with the Mostyn Es- tcto had been perused by the Police Committee. Mr W. Pierco (Beddgelert) objected to such a large sum as £ 7000 being spent on a police station even at Llandudno, and lie moved that a resolution be sent to the Police Committee that the Council did not consider it expedient that £ 7000 should be spent upon the buildings, es- pecially as thero were more worthy objects in "r. the county which merited expenditure. Mr Thomas Jones (Portdinorwic) seconded. Whilst agreeing that Llandudno was "a classical place"—(laughter)—he strongly protested against J&7000 being spent upon ornate buildings when an ordinary strong structure wcfuld be quite suffi- cient. Mr Richard Daries: You can pass this resolu- tion, but it won't have any effect. Mr Pierce: Let's tell them that we won't pay the bill (hear, hear). Mr J. R. Hughes: Any resolution from us must be acted upon. Mr R. Jones Roberts (Bangor) pointed out that the Chief Constable was not in favour of erecting now police buildings at Llandudno. Dr. Prichard (Conway) expressed great sur- prise at tho opposition of the Chief Constable, especially as he had attended the meetings of the sub-committee. Mr J. R. Hughes: These remarks should be made at the Police Committee, so that the fl'nief Constable might reply. Mr Vincent pointed- out that tne motion was out of order, because the matter was only dis- cussed at the last meeting of the County Coun- cil. The motion was carried tnough several coun- cillors declared that they did not know what it was. Mr T. W. Griffith: It is not right (cries of "Too la 11 to ?'IAL EDUCATION L'F,VIES. SPE The Rev. W. Morgan (St. Ann's) referred to the special levies made on the parishes of Llan- degai (£32 19s) and Llanllechid (C21 16s 8d) in respect of the Education Act, and Mr E. R. Davies explained that the levies were in respect of children from those parishes attending the Bethaada schools. Rev. W. Morgan: It is neither regular nor legal. Mr E. R. Davies: On, yes, it 1e. I think I 8hould have had notice of this question, and I largest that Councillor Morgan should do that. SURVEYOR'S COMMITTEE. The Surveyor's Committee mentioned that the surveyor had submitted a repcrt as to the extra- ordinary traffic along the main road from Lian- lwst to Porthllwy3, Talybont and Talycafn, in connection with the construction of aluminium works. Much damage had been done to the roads, and many of the drains and culverts had already been renewed. The traffic would ap- parently contim'e for some time. A separate ac- count was being prepared of the extraordinary expenses incurred. A latter was read from the clerk to the Lleyn Council suggesting the advisability of construct- ing a bridge to bear vehicular traffic by Ysgoldy Bach, in the parish of Bryncroes. The matter was deferred, and the clerk was instructed to make inquiries as to whether the existing bridge or culvert belonged to the county. Hugh Jones, Pendinas, Tregarth, a roadman, wrote stating that for 18 years he had been em- ployed by the County Council, and that he was now, and had been for six months, unable to do any work, and he appealed to the Council to grant him an allowance. The committee recom- mended that the application bo not acceded jQ. A committee was appointed to inquire into an application by the Geirionydd Rural District Council for an order declaring the road known as the "New Road," leading from the Holyhead road near Hendre Isa to the village of Yspytty Ifan, a main road. Mr Closs, Plastirion farm, Llanrug, wrote directing attention to the alleged unsatisfactory state of the fence adjoining the main road be- tween Cwmyglo Railway Station and Penllyn, and it was decided to inform him that the re- pair of the fence in question ia ono for the owner of the land adjoining. Tho Clerk reported that he had looked into the question raised by the North Wales Power and Traction Company and others with respect to the repair of the old road from Gwynant Lake to Penvgwryd, and was satisfied that no liability whatever attached to the County Council. A letter from Mr W. Lloyd Davie*, ot Hign- biiry-place, Loncn, calling attention to a notice j lacc:l at the commencement of the Capel Curig rente to Snowdon, viz., "Private road, no ve- hicle allowed Footpath on sufferance only. Bv order It "vas lecommended that the matter referred to being one for the Parish Council—the letter be laid on the table. Mr J. R. Pritchard-, however, moved that the letter be sent to the District Council and to the Parish Council. The C'erk said it was explained nr the committee that no attempt had been made by anybody to prevent the path being used if t|iprc had been any obstruction the case would be different. Mr J. R. PrieeTiard: Perhaps an obstruction will be erected later on. It was agreed to eend copies of the letter to the District and Parish Councils. BOUNDARY DISPUTE AT CRICCIETH, The report of the committee appointed to in- quire into th< a.pr'1'canoM of tno Cncc'.eth U? bani District Council to h?ve the bcundaj'y ct tihe Pajiah a-?d Urb?u 'jMtnct denned was pre- sented. The tXispute, rv^ported th<* oommfttco, into which they had to inquire had reference to the boundary between the para«ih of I enllyn and tihe borough of (Jriccietih at tlio eyutli ej&i-erly end of the borough below the main road1 from Criocieth to Portmadoo and between ttbe rail- NN7av aAd tl-e Ee?isLlio-re, '.Nlr lliiiyil)lire,is c-c?rtend- .9 aii?d 6<)me -,nd that t,.N,o c,(?'tige o,f 1: lying to t t o? -,ho Bi-ain Brocl? s'.oul-(t be 'he ear included in iiho of Cricelet,h, wll--erea?9 Mr Ca,er Jones urged that the Brook constitu- tcd the boundary between tihe two parishes. A large body of evidence, moral and documentary, was submitted, and the committee having v si- t-e d tij c 4et for tb,- purl)4c),3c of ful- .1, l uiiaiiiinyiily tl,.o iattor. P. that Pot,wit,ctindinir t-11-o came t-) t?,lie c?olicli'??io fact tthat the evidence was by no mcns conclu- sive und.e,r all the circumstances the. boundary at the point in dispute should be the Brain Brook as furnishing a physical and defined bno of demarcation and recommended the Council to make an order accordingly. PROPOSED EXTENSION OF BETliESDA BOUNDARIES- DISTRICT COUNCIL'S APPLICATION REFUSlvD. The oo,-nni Ittee appointed to hold a looal in- quiry ai Bethesda into the application of the
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HAVE YOU LiYER-CHILL ?
HAVE YOU LiYER-CHILL ? The Peril of Autumn Ailments. "KSR NAK a Cure and a Protection." Trio r;,>csJt trying time of the ear even or 'e, -io -v.?,eakly, is a-?,- pC,??l)? Ik.?t alo? tdi-e -fut now w?,e,-l the Autuniii k!evz- dly &I), -,old -npt (I.?i.rk and c Mild aFeri.?o-ors t,&, ¡,ce; tQ go -with:Jr.!t sufficient clothing. and a t4C) gO I .ivoineiit alter rundown they and themselves rucl< with the cold of early nighr. A drill on the liver or kidneys is a dangerous cond'itioin tiiat may arrive in. this w.ay or ineon- .joqucnee of one being forceu1 to wear wet clothing after beany caught in cold showers- Chronio cold*?, influenza, and bad ains and rheumatism also are largely due to the weather. Consumption is often contracted through unex- pected cliangep in tho weather weakening Lhe jungs. The ancient Egyptians, whose climate, though very different from ouirs. was equally treacher- clus, ?oizii?d th?.ir best pi2?r-?ervailon In. i,i,odiel,r-s &.e3, niad<) fro-n the nioet pre<?i(>us -t,,t 1 lie ci i -i century c-cj4Lntists fxuit. Tweit'eA! th?e wisdmn of out Nature's reniied-ile's for N-atib-'es ills, an in Ker-Nak we have tho icit-al oure lor Autumn sio'i'iiioi-is and the effects of dhill. I'e (Stomach and liver ihave to play the role of the engine furnaces, and transform our ilood into heat-units and good bone and blood. One of the first (results of the liver a.nd sto- madh being ddoe-;tiv&. and unable to keef; ufr the bodily fire in this Avay.. is to increase our liability to colds and chills• .You have that fa,miliar chilly feeling", sharp pains in the back, feed beloOW oar and so off youir food. Mam- red chilblains, and elhivorir^ might be so explained": not to mention influenza, typhoid fever, and other serious epidemic diseases, t'? 1--i -aiii an ontxance into m-a-iiy pe,-?,ple's s\ "C tems. through the bodily heat having being allowed to ''smoulder" in this way- A course of Ker-Nak quickly ends "liver i c.hiJJ," drives out iihat "chilly fooling," put6 an end to thoee unpleasant shivers, and soothes and rottcres tlifi digestive apparatus as no ordinary lll,,n-c\ral dnigs eveir were ab?'?- to do. Direc-tlv of t?-?e s?iinyADnis al-)I?,ear coi-iin-xnce t,-) ]?Cor-Nak witihotit dleL"av. Na,ture, in the gii?lfk, ci Kor-IN-ak, is to t?'?e ,I ctevcc stoke?r or engin-ceir is to a bod,V what The bodilv fire or vital' ty is k"J.,I' liP; and all thoee perilous "cold weather ulmentfi"—lung-chill kidney-chiM, pneumonia, and influenza—are kept out- Ker-Nak is the Naturral remedy of unequalled '-■xcelilence for all Autumn ailmente, constipation, piies,, indigestion, stomach-ache, pains in t'ho back and under tihe shoulder blades, vomiting. lofK o" appetite, feebleness or gout and old-age aneemia anc? female ailmente, liA-er troubles, and all aihnemt8 arising from a disordered stomach. Of oil chemists., in ceocs. Is lci and 2s. &d. or direct fawn Ker-Nak Natural Remedy, Ltd., Turroimill St.roet, London- stances we can get out of the contract after I having sealed it. The Secretary: It is quite open to the Coun- cil to make it a condition that the contract shall not be carried out unless the whole cost is de- rived from the public exchequer. Mr Vincent: If you put that as part of the resolution, it will be all right, but you are ask- ing us to do guite a different thing. "You are asking us to sign a contract, the contents of which we don't know. Mr Thomas Jones (Portdinorwic) regarded the price for the Chwilog land as too nigh, although someone had referred to Chwilog as "a rising watering place" (laughter). The Rev. W. Morgan sobmititied that the Edu- cation Committee had nrooeeded in am irregular mamnetr (criee of "No"). There was no question about it. In the first place no inquiry had been held at Penmaohmo- The Secretary No, there has been no inquiry tihere. Rev. W. Morgan: And in spite oi that fact thae ooiruinitteo aeks you to give your sanction to a edheme for building a school there in direct contravention to am Aot of P«arlianient. The Act (saAts you aire not to btwild1 a. echool in a loca- lity unitiil you publish in thait locality your de- termination to provide a school there- In a the Education Committee acted in a hiHh-handed manner, and I ana euro that if the general public oi Betheoda had been informed that a now school of such a size, and involving such a large expenditure AvaB to be built there, the sdheane Avould have met with eonie opposi- tion. M.r Jones Mornie said that the Council was running no atisk. He asserted that the prdoe paid1 for the land was reasonable. Mr Richard Davies stated that the oirouim- stianoes were exceptional, and if the Council desired to take advantage of the sum allocated by the Government tlhcre must be no. delay. Mr Ivor Parry asked the Council to consider "the little children," the cry raised by Mr Vincent at the last meeting. By a large majority, the amendment was de- feated. TO PREVENT WASTAGE OF TIME. Rev. Ceddiog Roberts moved that a committee be appointed to consider tihe question of streiiigtlneaiing the Standing Orders ot the Coun- criJ, and to device some means ojf preventing the wantjage of time whioh now went on. Mr Ro- berts sa,id thait. tiie majority 01 the ocuncillors were ailent at the meetings, but there were others who oocupied considerable time in making un- necessary speeches. Mr J. R. Hughes seconded the motion amid great laughter, and moved the following on the committee —Rev. Ceidiog Roberts, Messrs J. Jones Morris, Robert Roberts. Inigo Jonee, C. A. Jones, R- E- Jcunes, Ellis W. Davies, M.P. Mr Hughes inoid'entaJly mentioned that be re- mained in hie place duffing the meetings of the Council and did not go out to amoke like oeir- tain otheois. The motion was carried. NEW EDUCATION BILL. On the mention of Mr J. Jones Morris, a reso- lution was carried in favour of a new Educa- tion Bill for Walef THE NO-RATE POLICY. A reeoluitlion was read fmcxm the Quarterly Meeting of the Arvon Baptists expressing re- gret that the Education Committee had depar- ted so much from their avowed policy of admi- nistrating the Education Act of 1902 so as to utilise the rates towa.t)& the voluntary schools, and thev called upon tihe Council to eeriouely re-considfar the position forthwith, and to give a clear and concise expression of their present attitude and future intentions.
MARK MASONRY IN NORTH WALES.
MARK MASONRY IN NORTH WALES. PROVINCIAL GRANP '4DGE AT RHYL. To-day week the Prcxnvicial Grand Lodge of Mark Masons for North Wales was held a.t the Masonic Hall, Rhyl, conducted by the V. W. Bro. the Rev. Thomas Edwards (rector of Aber), Deputy Provincial Grand Master in Charge. There was a large muster of Brethren, among thofee present being:—Bros. E. Roberts (321 El- fin), P.M., P.P.G.S.W.; J. 0. Morris (do. P.P.G.J. W.; K. McEwen (324 Hunter), P.M., P.G.S., P.P.G.S.W.; T. H. Summerhill (do.), P.M., P.P.G.S.W.; R. G. Thome*, P.M., P.P.G.S.O.; W. Walton (324 Hunter), P.P.G.J.W.; G. H. Ainger Williame (259 Snow- donda), P.P.G.R.M.; W. Price Smith (do.), P.G. Sec.; R. J. Hughee (324 Hunter), M.O., P.P.G.S.D.; N. Bunnell (321 Elfin), P.P.G.M.O.; Horace Haselden (324 Hunter), P.P.G.D. oi C.; T, Houghton (do.), P.P.G. Swd. Br.; T. O. Morgan (38 St. David's), P.G.S.O.; Jas. Evans (324 Hunter), P.G.O.; T. 0. Morgan (38 St. Davids), P.G.S.; S. T. Harris (259 Snowdonia.), P.G. Tyler; W. Lovat-t (do.), P.P.G. Sw. Br.; C. Davie (do.), J.D.; T. H. Morgan (do.). l.G. j J. A. Lang (324 Hunter). P.P.G.A.D.C.; C. M. Lees (38 St. P.G.D. of C.; J. Patter- foil (321 Elfin); J. D. Polkinghorne (324 Hunter), J.D.; W. Price (38 St. David's), S.O.; A. J* Oldman (do.); W. S. Herbert (360 St. Bitian); G. Perkins (324 Hunter); Edward Joaiee (do.), I.G.; T. C. Howatson <- Jo.), P.P.G. Sw. Br.; and D. W. Pritchard (do.), Tyler. The V.W.D. Pro. Grand Master in Charge in- vested his officers as follows:— Pro v. G.S.W., W. Bro. the Rev. W. E. Scoti Hall; Prov. G.J.W., W. Bro. R. G. Thomas; Prov. G.M.O., W. Bro. T. Houghton; Prov. G.J.O., Bro. G. F. Ainger WTilliam6; Prov. G. Chaplain, Bro. the Ven. Ar oh deacon J. Morgan and Bro. the Rev. Evan Jones; Prov. G. Secre- tary. W. Bro. W. Price Smith; PTOV. G. Trea- surer, Bro. C. M. Lees; Prov. G. Reg. of Marks, Bro. WTm. Prioe; Prov. G.S.D., Bro. H. Hasel- den; Prov. G.J.D., Bro. W. LoAratt; Prov. G. Inspec. of Works, Bro. David Jones; Prov. G.D. of C., Bro. T. 0. Morgan; Prov. G. Assist. D. of C., Bro. J. G. Gibbs; Prov. G. Sw. Br., Bro. J. Patterson; Prov. G.I.G., Bro. S. Chantrey: Prov. G. Stewards., Bros. Owen Jones, W, Arthur Jones, Edward Jones, and T. H. MoT" gan; and Prov. G. Tyler, Bro. S. T. Harris. It was decided to hold the next Provincial Grand Lodge at Llandudno. The banquet was held at the Westminster Hotel, presided over by the Deputy Prov. Grand Master in Charge, and on his vacating the chair before the conclusion of the toast list, the pro- ceedings were presided over by W. Bro. K. Mo- Bwen, who is one of the oldest Freemasons in North Wales, and who, for upwards of t-wejve years, has not been absent from Lodge nieeto ings.
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Carnarvonshire County Council
local District Uouncil to have tiie poumvanes 01 tho urban ciuafcidot extended, presented its report. line ooimmittoo stated that following were tlio grounds urged in support of the application of the Urban District Council: —'Tiie communi- ty od interest existing between tihe area of tihe I Urban Daeteict Council and area popoeed to be I annexed' in aelagious, social, educational, and political matters; the inter-dependence of the two areas, and the fact that tne outside area at present enjoys to some extent the benefits of an urban area without contributing to the bur- den of tite Urban Council. No evidence was offered on behalf of the bodies and parsons opposing the a^nkoation- "Tihe committee," concluded the report, "whilst recognising tha.t the position of the I Bethcsda Urban District Councal is somewhat anomalous, are of opinion that they have failed to make out a case for the making 01 the order sought for." 'l!üe following constituted the committee —Mr Maurice Jones, Colonel O. Lloyo1 o. Evans, Messrs Rd. Davies, J. Jones Morr.e, P. Mcln- tyre, and R. E. Jones- Rev. Ceddiiog Roberts moved that the report be referred back. Personally, he would Lke to know what the committee meant b- staging that thev recognised that the position of the BeAheed'a Urban District Council "was some- w-hat anomalous." Rev- W. W. Lloyd seconded- Mr Richard Davics thought that the council- lors who brought forward the moticn had scarcely thought what .it involved. Tile com- mittee representee' this Council in a semi- jtidici?il ca?I)acit-N- and now Ocy were aieked to 16? ist 1 -15 0110 ce li?? 6:d,3 to niak<3 out the: c"-3 .'r (om*e,, of "No, no"). CA, y" the object cf th-o -rc*olu?tdon wa,3 to get over t?,; cooe of the otlior slide, and he hoped the Council would do ng uf the tort- Rev. W. W. Lloyd said be shou'd like to have a "fODetr explanation oi the decision of tihe com- mittee. Mr J. R- liugie6: I suggest that ycu should consult a dictionary (Jaughter)- Mr D. P. Williams: We must accept or refuse this roport. Mir R. B. Ellis, also saikp 1:Jha,t the Council would have to accept or reftuse the report- Be- fore the end of the year tlhey nught make an- other application. Mr Vinoont mentioned that he did not take pant in tihe discussion or in the voting. Mr Ellis W. Davies said that the ai,,)"ioation was made by a public body who deserved an explanation of a report Avhidh was not quite clear. If the position of Betiie-da was anoma- lous the ooimimatteo should explain where the anomaly was. 'fb,e rc (Iol)t?ed, o,iily c,?'g?ht Yot:n,g in v,?, p<r? a fa m-orring it back. NEW COUNTY SCHOOL REGULATIONS- APATHETIC WELSH M.P.'s CRITICISED. Mr J. lesar(I Davies moved: "That this Council being tihe Education Authority far the County of Carnarvon, ca,meetly and eiiipinatieal- ly protests againet the injustice done to Wales and Webh children by the regulations for fe- condary schools issued by the Welsh De- rt- ment of the Board of Education, and ic&pect- fully urges upon Mr MoKenna and the Board of Education their immediate revision. Mr 1 ssa rd Davies, in introducing his motion, eaii<I tihe subject was neither political nor con- troversial, but it affected them as a Welsh Edu- cation Body very closely financially, and vas of, paramount importance to Wales amd Welsiii dhildren. They were, probably, aware that a dhort time ago the Board of Education isered two sets of regulations for »ec&nda,ry schools— 'n ODIO for E land and ene for %v ales. '.itne one for En,I?a'n.? wa6 signed by Mr Morant, and the one for Wales by Mr Alfred Davies. of tihe new ly-created Welsh Department- One might imagine that regulations drafted fcr identically tho same cl-aas of school could not ofifferenUate very mudh between schools in England ;-lid schools in Wales, but ae a matter of fact so widely did tlhey differ and eo much to the damage and detriment of the Weld'.i e: h x 1 that he thought every Education Ai.lih-or ty throughout the Principality ehould make its voice heard with no uncertain sound, and intasi upon their revision forthwith—insi.st that every Weilsh ohil should have tihe same facilities, tho same giraint-earning opportunities, ap tihe Eng- lish dhild. Under tiTiese new regulations tLe English pupil oouLd earn a grant during a course ot- eignt years between 10 a.nd 18; the Welsh pupil could only earn a grant during a course of four years between 12 and 16: tha English child could earm grants during his oouiiso -if £ 34; the Welsh pup'l o,)uld c-ar!i gr-,tiitc, duiir,-g his ?17 l,7,, "h oc,L)jr,ge o(. c oarii between 12 and 16— £ 5 a year— £ 20. The Wctlsih pupil could only ea,rn <I'urin.°' the same period, which constituted his whole course. £ 3 15.? for tihe fiipt veair, £ 4 5s for tne second .ear, £ 4 15s for the third year, and £ 5 for ihe last year, i total, J317 15s. The Welsh pupil entered at ten 1 but was not allowed to earn a grant except by I special nermiission of the Inspector, and not only that, he actually lest JB2 a year to the I county, which he would have earned had he re- mained in the elementary scuool (hea.r, hear). They were doing all they could to induce their children to enter tihe in-termedLato sclhc.ols at ten, and this was the way they were helped by the Welsli Education Department (hear, hLr). He had had cailculations made how these. rcgida- '1' ti.?,ns -woul-cl ti, ect them idi ttio ocunty, aiil wa- told that in Carnarvonshire alone they would involve a 1cos of something over £ 1000 a'ye„r. Nor was that all- In estimating the a.L ve gra?i?, in l?ii,I,and the av-pra-Le nujiilcr oii tibe ba reg-i,;t?o,r was i.?keii ac, I;he in Walea it wis the attendance, which was a very different mat- ter. And anything less than 80 per cent, was disqualified. Practically, every child in an Erig. lish secondary school was eligible for, grant, but in Wales only thoee who had put in 80 per cent. a" attenclhnces were eligible- Again, in England, when the Inspectors repcriel any child as unfit to attend tihe ckescs or habitually irregular he "may not" be disqualified. In Wales there was no "niav about tihe Avordi were "no scholar is eligible." There were now in Wales in the eecondary schools over 12,000 children, and they were in- creasing at the rate of 1000 a year, and when he told them that every pupil in England eligible for grant, could earn under theiso new regulations £ 34, and that the Welsh pupil in Wales cou'd earn only £ 17 15s, they could I imagine the magnitude of the sum they would j lose annually unless the regulations were altered, He had not made tho calculation out himself, j but assuming that they had 15,000 children in I their schools as they would have shortly, it was estimated that they would lose over £ 20,000 a vear. An attempt had been niadv by Mr c that they Avere getting more than their share— that tho population of Wales was only one- aixteenth of that of England, and they were getting one-twelfth of the grant-biit the educa- tion grant had never been allocated according to population, and it would be most unfair to do co. It w as money that had to be earned; it was payment on results. Further, if it was going to be allocated in gross according to pcpulat Ion there was no reason why it ghould not be allocated locally by population. If that were so what' would become of their sparsely populated counties like Anglesey. All Avould be scooped up by South Walee. And yet these small counties were the very places that should r,oc,e 've exee!)ticr.-a?ly gcr?erouis treatin?elit, be7 caii,.?;,o the the i5chool the -more' CXPQI]kive wg.s to keci) going. r-er headIt r?bey ill Wales IaLl n-,ado great L?acrilieeis for education, aiili they deserved exceptionally generous treatment, but it would seem that they were to be mulcted to the tune of L2000 a year to create artificially among their neighbours across the border, a love of education (cheers). The English children were to be brought up in the hothouse of grants, wliilfct the hardy Welsh children were to be cheated of their hard-earned grants (cheers). APATHETIC WELSH M.P.'s. MN rw, what astonishes me most," added Mr I Issard Davies, "is the fact that our Welsh re- presentatives have not made their voices heard." Mr J. R. Hughes: They have; Llewelyn Wil- liams. Mr lesard Davies: Mr J. R. Hughes knows little, thinks little and talks a great deal. Mr J R. Hughes: You are talking feelingly now. "What astonishes me most," feiterated Mr Issard Davies, "is the fact that only three Welsh members felt sufficient interest in the matter to call attention to it, but did it in such a luke- worm perfunctory way that they seemed a deal moro anxious to shield the incompetency of the Welsh Board of Education than to benefit Welsh education. I am afraid there is a great deal of truth in the lucubrations of the "British Weekly" that "the enthusiasm of our WTelsh re- presentatives when they have obtained official rank, vanishes under the wiltering breath of office, and as to the rest they are always "on the make"—("No, no")—"ajid nothing is to bo ex- pected of them." Mr D. A. Thomas, who I believe you will all admit is a good Liberal, said the other day at Aberdovey that the In- dependent Labour Party had left their mark on legislation in two years more than the Welsh party had done in twenty years ("Nonsense").. it is not fny opinion; it is the opinion of a Radical authority. All these Welsh members should be scrapped, and we should send repre- sentative men—men of principle and not men "on the make" (cries of "Oh"). I hope the Council will unanimously support the resolution to ehow that we are taking cognisance of what they are doing in the House, and to ehow that Ave expect them to rcArolt. "Revolt" is a very nice word, especially to go round the consti- tuencies with, and I hope you will all see that the Welsh boy is not handicapped as the result of these scandalous regulations. Mr Charles Pozzi (Bangor) seconded. Mr J. R. Hughes moved that the matter be referred to the Education Committee, adding that ho had no desire to make a political speech. Mr W. George seconded. He said he noped the Council had implicit confidence in the Educa- tion Committee, who had already discussed the matter. He resented these insidious attacks made against the committee, two of which they had experienced that day. Mr Issard Davies: I never said a word about it. Mr George said there watt no reason why the matter should be taken out of the hands of the Education Committee. Mr Davies said that it was not a party matter, and yet he made a violent speech in support of his motion. m r ^S6ar<^ Davies: I merely quoted the "British Weekly," your own organ. Mr George said he thought Mr" Davies would have withdrawn his motion, but having heard his speech he could quite understand his reluct- ance in that respect, for he wanted to make an attack upon the Welsh Department, and it would be a great mistake for the Council if they dis- trusted the intentions of that Department. The Council had passed resolutions favouring the constitution of the Department, and were they going to cast doubts upon the patriotio inten- tions of these at the head of the Department? Would anyone say that Mr McKenna was not as well disposed towards Wales as a Cabinet Minis- ter as he was as a Welsh member? Was Mr Alfred Davies less of a Welshman now than when he was fighting in the ranks? Mr R. O. Davies (Blaenau Festiniog) regretted that Mr George had spoken in such a strain, be- cause he was convinced that Mr Issard Davies had introduced the motion with the best inten- tions, and he was not sorry that public atten- tion had been directed to the regulations. Ho did not think Mr Davies wished to reflect upon the Welsh Department. After all it was not a question of patriotism, but of doing work in a competent way. Mr Alfred Davies was the best Welshman they could have, but that was not the -point. The question was whether he had done his duty in a competent way, and if they were to get a separate Education Department for Wales, the work of the present Department must be satisfactorily performed (hear,- hear). Why should the Board of Education postpone putting in force all education regulations in Wales for a year, he should like to know. Mr J. R. Pritchard (Carnarvon) refused to be- lieve that ths Welsh members were on the make. Mr Thomas Roberts (Abfr) pointed out that but for Mr Issard Davies the Council would have beard nothing of the matter. Mr T. W. Griffitn (Llandudno) characterised tho attack on tho Welsh M.P.'s as most unfair. Mr Lloyd Carter asked what was the use of referring to the Education Committee a motion which had been discussed by them. The very resolution adopted by the Education Committee they now intended sending back to them. If Mr Issard Davies had rubbed a little salt into a very sore place, it. had nothing to do with the resolution. Mr R. B. Ellis explained that the Education Committee could carry out the terms of the re- solution. Mr Carter: No, you are simply skulking aAvay from it. What good will it do to refer the motion to the Education Committee? The question is whether you approve of it or not, and I say that it is time for this Council, as the premier Welsh Council, to protest against the unjust-ice done, perhaps unintentionally, to Welsh children. Mr D. P. Williams pointed out that the Edu. cation Committee should collect figures to send to the Board of Education. '■ Mr Issard Davies: It will be too late then. 1 might point out that not one single member of the Council has challenged the accuracy of my statements, and I suppose al of you will aree that there is nothing offensive m my <■ I am sorry if I quoted a paper which is in the Van of Radicalism, and which you regard as your "Cyffes F?vdd" (loud laughter). y The amendment to refer the motion to tne Education Committee was carried. MAIN ROADS AT LLANDUDNO. A FUTILE ASSOCIATION. The sub-committee appointed to inquire. into the application by the Llandudno Urban Dldnct Council to have one of the roads near Ienrh>n side declared a mam road, presented a report which was the result of two meetings The committee stated that the length of the road in question was two miles foi j Both sides of Vaughan-street were built on, and one side or the other of the parade was built on exoept a distance of some three-quarters o a mile. Both, therefore, took the character of streets, and the former probably Avas one of the most important in the town. The upper oi eastern reach of the Parade however had no the appearance-although like the rest in good repair—of a finished street one side was not fenced for a disiance oi 1100 varus, the width of the carriage Avay in places was only 19 feet, one side had no footway of any kind, the other side for a distance of 2247 yards had a grave, e footway, in some parts narrow, no part ot this kerbed, channelled or tar paved. The repre- sentatives of Llandudno presented "gure-s in- tended to show that the expenditure had been some what over £220 a mic, a traffic record was submitted, and the case generally Avas put before the sub-committee. As soon as the road passed tiie boundary of Llandudno, the direct traffic to Golwyn L»a>, which war, represented a.s the chief through traffic, which justified the demand to main, passed along a narrow and steep district road in the Conway rural district., the width would be from 12 to 18 feet; and the grades varied from about ono in ten to fiat; then it led through an intermediate link of private road. on which there was a toll-gate where it also passed into Denbighshire, afterwards joining up with the district road from L'aiidiillo-yn-Rhos to Colwyn Bay in the Cohvyn Bay urban district. There wero other roads over wmch the public passed connected with the Horton Estate, connecting up with Cohvyn Bay along a somewhat cir- cuitous route, which were in private hands, and not repairable by the public. It was found that for its assessable vaJue LJan- dudno received in return from the County Coun- cil less towards roads than any urban or rural authority in tho county against this the traffic cf Llandudno was the cause of much of the expenditure on roads in the surrounding dis- tricts. It was for the committee to decide whether any material disturbance in. the present' long established ratio of contributions to assess- able value was desirable, oughtto be considered, as it might lead to much controversy and ad- ditional expenditure throughout the county, and whether any considerable extension of the system of one authority finding the money for another to spend on roads was desirable, in this instance. This further maining at Llan- dudno would extend the system as regards this county by 17 per cent., or about one-sixth. After giving careful consideration to the views put forward, and to all the circumstances; the sub-committee did not recommend the maining of the roads. Mr J. T. Jones moved, and Mr Thomas Ro- berts seconded, that the report be recommended for adoption by the County Council. As an amendment Mr Robert Evans moved, and Mr Robert Roberts seconded, that the before mentioned roads be declared main roads pro- vided the Llandudno Urban District Council curb and channel the portion of the footpath not already done, and that they give the County Council an indemnity against the cost of the future widening or construction of footways. The voting on the question being cqua, viz., nine in favour of the committee's report, and nine for the amendment, the committee's re- port was carried on the casting A'ote of the chairman. Mr Robert Roberts (Llandudno) objected to tho report, and moved the amendment, which he seconded at the commiucc. He pointed out how the Penrhvnsidc residents invariably used the Llandudno Railway Station. As to one of the statements made by the committee he said that tho whole of tho county benefited by the visitors at Llandudno, which was simply asking for bare justice. Mr Ralph Fisher seconded the amendment, saying that a great injustice was being done to Llandudno under the present arrangement. Out of £ 1741, which tho town had contributed towards the county roads,_ it received only £ 154. Mr T. W. Griffith mentioned that on a certain day this year 680 A-ohides used the road between four a.m. and eleven p.m., and that proved that what Llandudno was asking was oniv fair and just. "You must not ignore Llandradno," pro- tested Mr Griffith. ""yhere is a tendency in that direction here (c.tkis of "No, no"). I say there is Mind you, Llandudno is the goose that lays the golden egg." b Colonel Lloyd Mostyn hoped that the County Council, if they could not accede to the appliea-
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tion at present, would bear the matter in mind. Mr J. R. Hughes supported the amendment, and added that whenever Llandudno brought forward any reasonable m.ction he would sup- port it, but not otherwise. Mr Issard Davies said it wae only right that the County Council should know the facte of the case. The road started from the entrance to the parade, and continued along the parade for a mile or two miles leading up to a place called Pcnrhynside, and then there was a road belonging to the Denbighshire County Council, and he thought that that body should be first approached to see whether they would consent to their portion being "mained." They had heard a good deal about Llandudno contributing to- wards the rates so largely, and that much more money should be spent in that place, but who had adduced the argument that all the rates paid by Lord Penrhyn should be spent on the parish of Llandegai, in which the quarries were situate? Or had it ever been proposed that the Rhostryfan and Carm-el districts were entitled to a. road down to the railway station? Personally he admired the pluck and energy of the Llandudnc Council, and he was sorry that Colwyn Bay did not emulate them, but to make such a request without first ascertaining whether the Denbighshire County Council were willing, was asking too much. Mr John Jones supported the amendment, but Mr Robert Hughes (Llanfairfechan) pointed out that the road in question formed part of the promenade. If the Penrhynside residents wanted to get to a railway station there Avas Mochdre Avhich was nearer than L^mdudno. The road in question and Sychnant Pass were analogous, and the Conway and Penmaenmctwr Councils had to keep the latter. Mr W. George suggested that the report should be referred back to see whether an ar- rangement could not be made with Denbigh- shire. Mr Robert Roberts aid that the Denbighshire portion would be mained in time. Now the Council was dealing with the Carnarvonshire portion, and Mr Issard Davies was endeavouring to .shelve the matter by mentioning Denbigh. Mr W. Evans supported the amendment. Mr J. Jones MOM failed to eee that Lla.n- dudno was entitled to special treatment. Mr Mclntyire thought that Llandudno had made out a very strong dLaim, and the County Council should take a broad view exf tLe matter. Tho fact of the matter was that Denbighshire w-as waiting to annex LlanjCiVidno, would not be satisfied until then. Mr Jones (Penarth) agreed that Llandudmo had made out a good oaBO. though he ih-o-pe*! their T*&prcoontatiyeQ would cease ficxin boasting ot the amount the town paid in rates- The Counod was getting tired of it. Mr Darbishire, as chairman of the committee, explained that they wore guided by rules which had been down by the Council some years ago. According to those rules this road could not bo regarded aa a ma.in mad, and if tlhey decided otherwisa they would have to maintain the promenado. Mr T. W. Giitiffith I beig to correct you. The promenade has nothing to do with it. Mr Darbrisbire: Everybody knows what I mean- Llandudno is bet-teir known than you think. I mean that portion of the promenade on which vehicular traffic runs- Proceeding Mr DarbceniLre said that Llandudno had only agnail port soil of main road to maintain, and the ccun- ty maintained miles of roads. which tho Llan- dudno visitors used. Not long ago £1000 was spent in repairing the Llanrihca road, whioh was iln the Llandtidkio district. The Council should romomber that on tihe existing main road near Llandudno, which thev had to maintain, there were two direadful hilLs whidh were a disgrace to tlnat^ part OK tihe oountv and some improve- ment should be effected Avii:lh rogand to the hills between Llanrhos and Llandudno Junction. For the amendment 20 voted and 25 against, and the report of the committee was adopted- COUNTY ANALYST'S APPOINTMENT. Tn)9 Clerk reported that ho had. purcuant to the Council's resolution, given Mr W- F. Lowe notice of lihe Council's intention to te-minate his appointment, and that Mr Lowe, after ecme e<ir:ivupomdienco in the nrntrer, nad intimated tihait as the consent of the Local Government Board was required before tiie ap-cintnient could be terminated be would not accent the Council's notice unlets sudh concent were ob- fcaiinedv. The Leoal Government Boaru', on being applied to for their sanction to the Council's proposal required to be furnished with full in- formation as to the grounds on which tihe Coun- cil desire that Mr Lowe's appointment, should be determined, and whether Mr Lowe asssnted to the Council's proposal. As the notice to terminate Mr Lowe's engage- ment was given ait the instance of the Council, t'lJ9 Weights and Measures Ccimmit.ee re.olved to reloi- the whole matter to the Council for fcheor decision- Mr Thomas Roberts (Aber) explained that die work oould be dbne wt tihe University College of North Wales, to AAlhich the Council \vas under 30me obligation. Mr D. p. Wiiilianis mentioned that the medical officer foir the county might do the work. Mir Issard DaA-ies: Tiie work of an analyst is a special pro c-es;.cin, and medical men are never asked to undertake it. Mr D. P.'Williams:' But a medical officer c f health would be competent- Mr Isaard Davies: YeG, but it would be quitê contrary to the etiquette of tihe vfcesion foir him to undertake it. It was decicfod to acquaint the Looal Govern- ment Board with the reasons wlhy the Council dee trod to make the change. FINANCE COMMITTEE. THE POSITION OF THE COUNTY. The estimate of the treasurer was submitted, aind it was resolved that a rr.te of 8d in the £ (viz- 3d in the £ for geneial county purposes; 4d in the 13 for elementary education, 3d in the £ for secoiwilairy odiiioatiom id in tthe £ for intermediate education purposes). 'Mr Richard Davie. in prewcinting the esti- mate, said t'luat the County Fund wai, £6000 to the bad after paying all calls up to the end of I Sopiemiber, his estimate haAnng been accurate- In his estimate he started tlhat there be a balance on the education aooouiffit of £8000, but the treasurer, instead of taking advantage of the resolution part^cd by the Council to borrow £8000 from the bank, had managed to nod; on without encroaching- upon the lean. However, tihe deficit remained despite the eccountani's work. Several .repair schemes of tho County Education Committee bad been deferred for an- year, so that the a.mcuint provided in the estimate for that work (£3000) would not be re- quired He wished to state that the esvimat^ not provide -or any balance. Lrso h If year the rate was 9d. A COMPLAINT. Mr Lloyd Carter asked for an explunat o1. why the niirmtes of the Education Commi.te were sent out so Late as to preclude tihe possibi- lity of a notice'of motion being made in regard to t'iiem at that m£e\il1g-. Mr J. R. Hughes said he received his mirrat ten days ago. Mr Vincent: Then you must be specially fa- voured'- Mr E. R. Davies, secretary to the Education Comwuittoa, explained that the minutes we:o not sent out te.n days befoie mac meetinxr, as customary owing to pressure of count v printing- Mr J. R. Hughes remarked that thidelry veas the result a: the c.bal capacity of the:'r offi- cials. If tihe whole matter was h-onded over to their dork these would be no delay. Mr Lioyd Carter Avished it to be made clear tliat he did not rise in a.ny captious spirit, 'bui merely with the desire to point out. that no <;uc.T>on co-uld be raised on tho minutes owii?/: to rliat delay. Mr D- P. Williams paid that tho Standi c Qirdeis coulc;' be suspended. COUNTY EDUCATION COMMITTEE CRITICISED. UNUSUAL METHODS. The Standing Ordeiis having been suspended, Mr Lloyd Carter referred to the proposals to erect new sohcols at XJaoMiur, lAnv.log, and Ponnaacthco, and he asked the chairman of the Education Committee Avlhetheir any kcal in- quiries had been held at these places w-tii .ae- ga.rd to t he erection of t/hose schools, and if eo when and where. The Secretary said he not think that a lccal inquiry was necessary under Section 8 of the Act However, a pubill inquiry was held at Chwilo-.j about Mirce years ago. Mr Lloyd Carter: Three years ago? The Secretary Yes. Rev. W". Morgan (St. Ann's) insisted that pub- lic notices weio lequired The Secretary: Mr Carter inquired whether kcal inquiries are to be held; and I replied that they were not required. Mr Morgan has cor- rected me as to public notices. In the case of Penm tchno and Llanfairfechan public notices had b?en given, but I cannot carry my mind back to the tim? when the inquiries were held at Ll-umo" and Chwilog, but I know they were held there. At Chwilog the late Archdeacon Williams appeared to protest against the pro- posal, and at Llithfaen the Vicar of Llannor also protested against the establishment of the school there. A public inquiry has not been held at Penmachno, but one was held at Llanfair- feehan. Colonel Lloyd Evans stated that as a largo ratepayer in Llanarmon and Llannor, he had not been able to find that public notice had been given in either of these parishes, ^though he had mado inquiries. Mr Richard Davies remarked that he attended inquiries at Chwilog, and he remembered Mr Shepherd Jones complimenting him on his fair- play (hear, hear). Colonel Lloyd Evans contended that public notice had not been given as the Act required. Mr J. T. Jones: But it is not for us to give notice. Colonel Lloyd Evans: I repeat that as a large ratepayer in the parishes of Llanarmon and Llannor, I knew absolutely nothing about the matter until I saw it in these minutes, and if 1 had not been a- member of the County Council I would have known absolutely nothing about it. Mr Lloyd Carter said he desired to know whether any notice had been given that the County Council were now applying for a grant in aid of the schools He contended that no notice
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should be given; what the Secretary referred to occurred three years ago. The Secretary replied that the Board of Edu- cation had considered these applications, and they must be satisfied with the production of a i-ewspaper as to the publication of the advertise- ment. regarding the matter With regard to tuilding grants, no notice was necessary, but tne Education Committer were acting upon petitions. Colonel Lloyd Evans pointed out that the ether sid-j hid not had an opportunity of peti- tic,ning, and he maintained that the authority I'&d proc^edjd to build a tchool without giving due notice according to the Act. The Secretary: They couli not do so. Colonel Lloyd Evans: But they are doing so. Mr Lloyd Carter then moved the following amendment: That the Local Education Authority be direct-id not to proceed any further with the application for grants towards building new Council Schools at Chwilog, Llannor, and Pen- machno, until notices of such intention to build have been published in those localities." He said it was quite clear that the matter had not been properly conveyed to the residents of the localities. What was done three yoars ago had nothing to do with the present day. How could the committee decide to erect schools in certain localities when those localities had not the op- portunity of stating their wishes in the matter? If the Government would pay the whole piper nothing would be said of the matter. Colonel Lloyd Evans seconded the amendment. Mr Ivor Parry said it was now clear that an inquiry had been held. Mr Lloyd Carter: Three years ago. The Secretary: In February, 1904. Mr Lloyd Carter: Where is the notice? The Secretary: I have not got it. Mr Lloyd Carter: What was the nature of the inquiry? The Secretary said that 75 parents at Llan- fairfechan signed a petition for a new school, 35 at Chwilog, 70 at Penmachno, and 23 at Llannor, so that the requirements of the Act had been complied with. If notices had not been given the ratepayers would have an opportunity of making representations to the Board of Edu- cation. The contracts entered into with re- gard to these schools were purely provisional. Mr Lloyd Carter: Can you give the date of the presentation of the petitions? The Secretary: Within the last three weeks. Mr H. C. Vincent obserA-ed that the position of the matter was a little odd. Three and a half A ears ago an inquiry was h,Jd as to whether sf.hcoh were d-e-drahlo in certain localities or not. There was no question of the notices of those parti) dar inquiries, but the notices which were required by S^e'.ion 8 cf tho Education Act were notices consequent upon and subsequent to such inquiries being held-the notices oT the Educa- tion Committee to provide schools. The Edu- cation Committee had not, as a matter of fact, published in any way notices of their intention to build the scnools, and that was what Colonel Lloyd Evans complained of. That day the Council was asked to attach their seal to a con- tract "for the purchase of bind in connection with the proposed Council School at Chwilog. They were also asked to authorise the sealing of the contract for the erection of a school at Llannor, and surely the Council should be asked to pause before they did this. He did not think there was a single member of the Council who was was in any doubt as to the opinions of the ratepayers in regard to exercising economy, and the fact that scoveral members of the last County Council did not re-appear on the body was pro- bably because they did not pay sufficient at- tention to the mandate of the county in this re- spect Now they were asked to authorise the oxl?cnditure of a la.r e sutii of moile), %vith re- T gard to which none of the necessary preliminary steps had been taken. None of the local people know what had been done, and now they were asked to authorise the sealing of the contract. Mr T. W. Griffith considered P,480 an acre a f,?bulc,i-is pr'co for !and at C'?i-,vilog, but Mr J. T. 'd iti-iat tiie T)r:ce was rea.onable. as one,.s, sal Chwilog was a rising place, and, as was gene- rally known, schools deteriorated property in the immediate vicinity. Mr D. P. Williams hoped the County Council would support the Education Committee, and he pointed out that the purchase of the land was only provisional. There must be no delay if the county intended having a slice of the z'100.600 ai'?otte(I '!)y the Governme- ?l t for the ele- mentary schools, and if their procedure was wrong the Board of Education would put them in order. Mr Vincent: Will the Chairman of the Educa- tion Committee let us know the proviso in the contract which safeguards the Council in the event of no grant being received? The Secretary: The formal contract will be prepared after this meeting. Mr Vincent: We are asked to seal the con- tract, and I want to know under what circum-