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THE WELSH CHURCH COMMISSION.

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THE WELSH CHURCH COMMISSION. SITTINGS IN LONDON. EVIDENCE FROM SOUTH WALES. On Friday, at the Royal Commission- bouse, Westminster, the Royal Commission appointed to consider the position of the Churoh of England in Wales sat under the presidency of Lord Justice Vaughan Wil- liams. The others Commissioners present were Sir John Williams, Mr S. T. Evans, K.C., M.P.,Prof. H. Jones,Mr J. E. Greaves, Mr Wm. Fairbairn, Archdeacon O. Evans, Lord Hugh Cecil, and Mr F. Edwards, M.P. The terms of reference to the commission are "to inquire into the organisation, nature, amount, and application cr the temporalities, endowments, and ether pro- perties of the Church of England in and Monmouthshire, and into the provisions made and work done by the Churches of all denominations in Wales and Monmouthshire for the moral welfare of the people, and tne extent to which the peOPle avail themselves of such provisions, and to report thereon.' There was a large attendance of cie-gy and Nonconformist ministers. Among the former were the Bishops of St. David's. Llandaff and St Asaph. Mr Marley Sampson watched the proceedings for the Church in the diocese of St. David's, and Mr Lleufer 1 nomas represented the Welsh Free Church Council. CHURCH WORK AT LLANPUMPSAINT. ine Hev. Joseph Lloyd, vicar of Llan- pumpsaint, in the diocese of St. David's, was the first witness called. He described the size of his parish and the church accom- modation. and said the services were entire- ly in We sh. There was not an English- speaking person in the parish. His gross income was £313, and he had a house and an acre■ of ground. The tithes were vested in the Ecclesiastical Commissioners. There was no Church of England school or school endowments. There were, however. two Sunday schools attended by adults as well and the proportion was about half. The Free Churches in his parish were those of the Baptists. Independents, and Calvinistic Methodists. The latter had the largest following of the three. The Chairman: In your experience, are the three bodies you have mentioned worL- ing substantially on the same lines? Y-3, and doing good work, I think. Witness added that he had been vicar of the parish since 1877. The average attend- ance at the Church and the mission on Com- munion Sundays was 70. Replying to Mr Evans, the witness said he did not let it be known that a special effort was to be made to get a large attend- ance at the church last Sunday for the pur- pose of reckoning in consequence of the evi- dence he was to give before the Commission. He did not know then that he would be called as a witness. There was, however, a. larger attendance than usual last Sunday. Lord H. Cecil: Would you aporove of a. religious census in order to show the com- parative numbers of the various denomina- tions? Yes. Archdeacon Evans: When vou visit Non- conformists in your parishes, have they seemed glad to see you? Yes, I have always been made welcome. I make simple wills for some Nonconformists as well aa for Church people (a laugh). I made a will lately for a Nonconformist deacon who left a bequest to his ownchapel, and the wonder was that the deacon did not ask the help of his own min- ister for the will. Is your parish typical of Carmarthenshire ? I tmnk so. Witness added: I bury a con- siderable number of Nonconformists and I also marry some of them and occasionally baptise the children of Nonconformist par- ents. The Chairman I doubt whether that alone is any indication of religious views and pre- ferences. The raising of such points was apt to lead to unfriendly controversy. Mr Evans: Have the Nonconformists and the Church any cause in common in your parish ? Yes. W itness added that he preach- ed three sermons every fourth Sunday and two on other Sundays. It would be easy to take a. census to arrive at th authentic figures regarding the congregations in the places of worship in his parish. • 7°: binary practice is lor Nonconformists to keep to their own chapels. Witness said his net income was about i-oUU. Having described certain payments for which he was responsible out of his gross income, The Chairman remarked: Your income is in no way providentially exempt from the ordinary burdens of a landlord (laughter). The witness said that with few exceptions the whole of the adult population were com- municants. Lord Hugh Cecil: You admit what is ralher surprising to English ears. Witness: I havo found it topical of coun- try districts in throe counties in Wales. •Iwf ,!at hc was on Rood terms with the Nonconformists. He visited and ZffhHry^madV"el?orae- His relations as could be °nC°n 1StS Wei"e as peasant CHAIRMAN DESIRES TO AVOID It UN. FRIENDLY CONTROVERSY." Archdeacon Evans was putting a question with regard to the Burials Act, when the Chairman said lie hoped such questions would not be put, as they often led to un- IhsTi con^oversy- He wanted to avoid He added (to the witness) £ on^atulate you and the minis- ters of thei iee Churches in your parish for working so friendly together Principal Fairbairn made a few remarks to witness as to the results of the law hav? Ing formerly been that legal marriages -could only be celebrated in church only be celebrated in church If my. rey.colleage has finished his address to the witness (laughter) we shall now proceed with the evident. » ;r Thomas ihomas, vicar of Aber- gwili (St. David s Diocese), was next called His income was JE333 18s 4d. The Noncon- Klfhir !n T> Parish were Calvinistic Methodists, Baptists, and Independent Con- gregational^. The Church had two ^urchcs and. a mission. At the Parish Qhurch there wre two services on Sunday fKlhg~rv;e m Welsh aild th« other in English. The average attendance was about Welsh 6re Was one service in »bout 180 TiUlS- VuVera?e atteQdance was about 180 to 18o. Those figures applied to the Parish Church. At "the other church the average attendance was about 40 to 45 fiunST.'ohSla for" adSts The Chairman: Do vou tbinlr +t, t? Churches do a good work ? Oh ves Uw do. Witness added thaTiSj c&f SSndL* e*ceI>tu,[1. it. burial Mr Evans pointed out the small seating accommodation as provided by the Church ^%ti?esr't«ifhfi1rpulat,im,' anisaw M the spiritual needs of the ♦rould ™ th Upo,n th* Church they V€ry much attended to?" The Witness: Oh, I don't sav th^t rr. wo^lTTfc8^ the interests of fhe parish fT.; !kn0t & so "'(!l1 attended if it we not proporti!,narthrM £ outa the' 'ffia"' "V^T think that would be so Deanery? I winr™ from. THF. chair. with regard to^the^com'mthe parish, and asked him if^ini<^nJs in t!le 'St °f TO«™" £ antds b00k The Chairman (warmly). If exists and it is produced herTw?th+h names and addresses of the coml, ? gall enter my strongest protest aSJit It is a want cf the sense of the sacredntsVof a man's communication with his God if is not a thing that we as civilians have any right to inquire into It is a matter be- tween man and his God. What right have I to inquire how often A or B takes th IlaCrament? e Prof. g. Jones said he had no desire or in tention to inquire how often any one took tlIe sacrament, or into any sacred confiden- tial matter. tanlrhV9hai™an (to witness): Is religion \?your day schools? Yes. scWl« +^nSL-^ese are Public elementary to which grants are made by the titness s nxt asked 0s to the part Mwiother social work! n^etings au", other 800ial w'Ork.. The Chairman: I don't suppose that the Church of England lays any special claim to that sort of work. May we not assume that all churches do their best to aid such move- ments ? Replying to Principal Fairbairn, witness said he attended before the Commission at the request of the Bishop. Rev. W. T. Jaoobfij Congregational minis- ter in the same parish as the last witness represented, gave detailed evidence as to at- tendance in the chapels and schools with which he is connected. The Commission then adjourned.

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