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n- CARNARVONSHIRE JOINT POLICE COMMITTEE. A COMPLAINT FROM LLAKDUDPiO. THEtttCHT OF POLiCE IN MILITARY CAMPS. (From Our Reporter). The quarterly meeting of the above committee JielJ last wcwk atb Carnarvon. chairman (Mr Maurice loaes* presided, attenidajiee a.'so included L« rd Penrhyn, Lord LieutenfliDit (Mr J. E. Greaves), Messrs H. Kneeaba-w, Cha-rles hi. Darjbtehire, Thomas Lewis, Isea-rd Da vies, F. Wood, J. Evan Roberts, W. J. Parry, J. Jor.es-Morris, J. R. Pritohard, Tliamius Edwards, J. R. Hughes, Hugh Hughes, T. W. GdÎtll, Dr. R. Â. Prichartd, Dr. Hugh Jones Roberts, the Clerk of the Peace (Mtl, A. Do-dvc! Roberts), and the Chief Constable (Colonel Ruck). PROPOSED NEW POLICE STATION AT LLANDUDNO. The committee had before them a .report o/f Wie sub-coinniittee appointed to take into consi- deration the question of building a new police •tation at Lland.udno. The sub-committee, whioh me-t at Llandudno 011 the 7th irust., consisted of Mr H. Kneeshaw (chairman), Dr. R. A. Prichard, Messrs Robert Hughes, T. W. Griffith, J. A. Picton and E. Wood, From the minutes of the meeting it appeared I!¡ha,t Mr Ivneeshaw stated that ho had had j111 interview with Lord Mostyn, with reference "° the acquisition of a freehold site in Oxford- road for the purpose of erecting police |vre- BUsee. He also road correspondence he had had on the subject with Mr G. A. Humphreys (agent to the Mostyvn Estate), from which it aPpeared that Lord Mostryn was prepared tc Sell a freehold plot there, far the above pur- Pose, and that he had made certain alTcra of Bites of varying size, which, however, we-a not of so largo an area as the eub-oommltte-e taoug-ht was most expedient to acquire. The sub-comm'ttee resolved that Lord VM *tyn ^sked to fix a date and place when nird ^nere His Lordship (and Mr G. A. Humphreys; ^ould meet this sub-committee, in ordej to CDn!8T upon the subject of the acquisition of far new police premises at Ll.itid ulno. "f. Air Kneesliaw Raid that lie had juet re- ^fved a, lette.r from Mr Humphreys, agent to Mostyn Estate, offering a sale moas-uting S4 square yards for 10* 6d a sqlarc ya:d, the rj^!ce previously p-sked being 17s td a yard, he sub-oonunittee considered th.it ffne »iU' Was a. suitable one, a.nd he (MK aee-ha w) ^ved that the olffe,r be accepted. -Mr W. j. Para-y seconded. 0, discussion took place as to 'be suitability hand, both ae .regards sjfca itiou and tent, Mr T. W. Griffith observing that tll" 1>1'lce wae a falir one, and that the land war.> Oa,¡venieDJtly situ.ate-d nC:lil' the ra¡]wa.y station. th The matter was ulti:matcly ref('.rred ba-ek '0 ffa sub-cammittee, with powe.r to accept t.he o er shO'1ùd they find that the land. waa d3quate far the purpose far whiiOh it \'Vas InteJlded. CHIEF CONSTABLE'S REPORT. ^SANITARY CONDITTQN OF CARNAR- VON POLICE bxATION. j. Chief Constable (Colonel Kuck) in fcua P<*fc. submitted the usual statistics for the &i ^Tur ejl'^U1tr Jun« 30 last. As regards Ln- ^ccable offences, which showed a ei ght decrease, jr Pointed out that a very large proportion la Se consisted of offences of the petty I'cexiy class, which were disposed of sum- t}larily- As there could be no doubt, he cj 0uSnt, that a number of offences of this were committed which were never re- ftea to the police, it did not appear to o^r» tuat the figures uuder this head were much value in showing the actual increase .decrease in crime in the county. ■During the past quarter 28 persons were of-eeded against for indictable offences, pnr ■OIn wore summarily convicted, one j^ted for trial, and two discharged. 3Q corresponding quax-ter last year bei ^ersons were proceeded against, nine C(Hynit^d ^or trial, 14 convicted sum- rt.- 1 StX discharged, and one otherwise ^sposed o £ g As ds non-indictable offences 423 per- Q ns proceeded against during the past eo^r were convicted. In the Responding quarter last year the number against was 599, the convictions stalling G09. Ihe number of persons who, during the ^Harter, rendered themselves liable to be ealt with under Section 2 of the Inebriates ct, 1898, was six males. number of tramps relieved during 24q P?st quarter was 2084, as compared with Xi v11 e corresPonding quarter last year, fi t jer broaghfc up for begging, 20; con- ^d, 19; discharged, one. Ihe value of property stolen was £ 39 I2s, which £ 36 6s 3d was recovered. 1' our publicans were proceeded against— 6ee • or permitting drunkenness, two for jiving a druiiken person, and one for keep- ^8 open his premises during prohibited d;oUr?' one was convicted and three ulsOUssed. 20th "^orce ws^ "^spected on August 18th, r 24th, and 2oth, when the inspector Ht^?16^ %at Home Office now corn some importance to having bell Com ttaicafcion cel1- als« tliR 12;entefl on the insanitary condition of Carnarvon Police Station. t;r>v G Chief Coastable submitted applica- annS ^der Section 1 of the Police Super- p0n Hatl°n Act, 1906, which referred to the of constables who continued to .after qualification for pension, from fcivt iS?1keadent; S. T. Harris, Superintend- ed r» ^mas JonesJ P-S- 7 Thomas Jones, P.O. 44 R. Davies. ^onCo^unicati°n from the National Te'e- f Company had been received suggest- U'-fK^10 Git«nsion to Llanberis. 0ajJ„ r«^aj-d to the ocmplaint respecting the Gj ato-tion, Chief Constable ^'p.11that it related to an objcctionitble hich inspector said be had always also considered insanitary. H« ^QfiTges^ian fo make 60 tihe Sarveyor's wb'.ch he believed the smell On ^OI?9 mra? with. "j? motiaea of fitr Jones Morris the matter Steered to the Surveyor's Committee. ESS DRUNKENNESS IN THE COUNTY. JjQ^rrDig' to criminal statistics, Mx Jones- asked il the Chief Comt-able meant 4" eth.e W less drunb:mness Ù1 the county or Jh I- dJU:D.k. Chief C<møts.t Ie. Tbæ-e 111 lc drunken- :\t¡h I think tili6r. IU'C! also fewe.r ca.sæ œ -.tt- polØ h.1Te bd !;o [}roecOO, a.!ld I Îtl tbt. to eo t exkrrt ('0 1t. de-crease L' i'Or>cl Pe.nriQn thcugh\ fhü the Q,umbe.r of lcl:lbIe ooenœs which l'ema.1rLoo undt;¡;¿, Li' one.Jüt!.rt.h.. a liO!U.rnrlr&t la.rb pn'pOT- ittr I!.nd}t{J wis.b.<X1 tv bnO'w if ther wer any J):L .!I.mong tk..m. t G Uhief ..Jùo replied !hat. Uu,y waTe "t'11.. On,() £c.uxih "sa !l.C'ffi.tn.aJ pro- .-vr II:J: f -1_1 J. 4}1 r.¡;¡,ut!="I.1 C'1:'J1JIt. n.. Htrghee cI:rew a.tu to the fad b",(¡hE!11'e Cow: pub pTOCeoood l 1'hm-fI 'fY'1)J! <ml, C:IrL¡ c.:<mvie;tjan. tíhe ot},<1r btmJ¡- di..<(t¡. Ocml¿ the 'I'L t:aJw. Sa,} W'hen dü,ï11iæa.13 l Chief -a.blè id Í,j¡<4 bo hadn- f: Ùtunt the w.att-or..r. iI y the t.ka::t could bit f'ŒTt11ahad bctfore th& ('.om- Qr 110 bclieYed tiba.t the dism.Le, r:, Qlf thm. m t.h'6 C"À'¡;¡W-:f di:vis. ;;ri°ANB h.ND THE MAGlSTR.ATEi3. S I. U than said th.;¡:t, e.t lhe úo.rl ith œJ] a.tl&1tiQn "00 the difli.TIlt,y ch !IDe POU06 h.a.v6 110 deä1 with pnhh- b. uc:caaso of the «!<j.y iTA ?:l11ch the mag'i3. ee II them.. U tian 1.0 1hø ppliotinms Uw..1lb pen- -a.IJ.CM. a.he:r dc<w-Jil O'D t.he Obi n i:s report. & be rec)lned Ha.rrm The rCIw.n 01 P. O. (34) was aJro a.ct.er tlQI'Vioe Ho W'38 ro.titlt:d to a pe d ..r-oe.ar. IL: J' R HtIY'I ur<>'eG ili1i the qr;¡.œtion of anJt or m{'wbe:rn oJ [,he fWOtt ø!roukl idcrnd 4,y e. 8tili-cOOlmitLoo. CJk pøi¡ated o'u.tt:b.¡.j¡ thc-¡ co.m.Ui.tte() t option but to (U'œpt t.ht> T ¡;na.tioo of tt t'1 .J !:1-oI::ll'l:gíhe" l1.uini&wMl tJhat cçrnrnitt¡JQ tIon of alk1.fly,g him to in. J.! he lilicd IiiQ'd if the t'Jf:mlJr.u ttCf> OOD.- birn sU'Î:f.a.bla.. S M.Quiø s.r thiJ.t i1 fJ:w¡:e were hYElùaJQr fit !)C> L:.v.! r.H¡,ct! ilie ag-e 9f iJ. t1-oy shø;.Ù{i b rela..L"tc>d if l. thr'!) '1RU) otlts who wue no:: ùo- tne:¡; "he,. should b (L;R::J'$)1>cd with as J?" p-o.i.bl. a.w It; t.ed ti)$ sa:r.t;.{\ view &I thle J 1111{} f a Plc'DOOaJ by Mr J. R. -itkoe.th.;>t thQ QuastiOl} ho reier-red to a f: 'l'o, r f' "J -J tJf.:h 'gl11l.on Q L!.v,ti,llO; W' P'I4Y-J., <I.<UU 4\e'e .r",c& d:Jt with tn t.bc Ghœ \>l lSi;ir',c.e1Jn¡; w?f.e .rft'irJ.'l'"J to' a CQI:Illilltt,e lh\j '>, Q( tJ'¡¡,,j urnU',lnal.í., M("££..B J, rei. > ilJf..rtp.eS'h;aw. J, R. Pritchard, J. E. Hc. 'f' Dr. Rug}¡ JOIli.:6 ltobc.T!. ttJ' () BLr.HONP; TO f..I'-fNBIillIS. ro.; tJ(}¡-; 1;0' Cx:'Jb:lhle t¡.a',o [Iii"" l'c&ult .;of DcgQ'1 lÇ¡Zto hw.:l h wIth -tJlt> NatioThaI 'l'e.]¿¡, rQ" \P.:t7\:Y wi¡;b regæro t" establisWni.oi I "u CQ,a'II11èT:ic2.tian hf'ween the po lice I't '-ó, '}!l ron" ..t I'I"n" T,¡, -n' aak.J lr, -u ,'<lC'. J.b, b (;\1 h"' arm1:la.lI' It. Pritclnn:l mOy£.\<lI, and M, J. n. Itl\¡: lQl1:13d., tlu!' a ,.ffi' bg r:eœp.todin ()r 'p-lu.Il): 0. t10 larga nml1lv.:T of t _SI Wü;ch ;1<1ed i>c.t7{;c;¡th/:¡wo plac¡:;z,' k, -M_ and wh'ch in many cases were driven furiously. Mr W. J. Piarry said thait the usual charge was £ 8, and ho strongly objected to the Tele- phone Company charging more from the Police Committ8e. Mr T. W Griffith asserted tiiat the Telephone Company were slow enough to place facilities within ) each of public bodies. After further discussion the offer was ac- cepted. DEPRIVING LLANDUDNO OF ITS POLICE. The Chief Constable mentioned the receipt of an unsigned telegram from Llandudno, which he had Lot replied to, but which he would read to tlie comroitt2e. Mr J. R. Hughes proposed thai as it was not eEgrned it be not read The Chief Constable: It purports to bo from the Llandudno District Council. Mr T. W. Griffith said that a telegram was sent by the Llandudno Council, but the clerk had omitted to put his name to it. He (the speaker) was there tihat day to say that it was a very unfortunate arrangement on the part of the Chief Constable to deprive Llandudno", at the height of the season of the services of a sergeant and two constables, in order that' they might do doty at Carnarvon during the Eis- teddfod. There were considerably more people at Llandudno than at the Eisteddfod, and they all, it was also well-known, thought Eisteddfodwyr were a law-abiding people. Events had proved tlhat there was not. the slightest need to import any policemen to Carnarvon. MJO Jones- Morris: How many were arrested at Llandudno during the same week? Mr Griffith: Not one as far as I know, but there might have been (laughter). The 'Chairman: Are you going to move a re- soliition? Mr Griffith >eplied that he was r.ot, but that he w:sh.^d to protest aga,:nst what had been done. He added at Llandudno they were postered at tho heiight of the season by hawkers from Liverpool and elsewhere, and this gave rise to innumerable 'complaints. Mr J. R. Hughes, as the chairman of the su- perintendents of the Eisteddfod meetings, thought that the Chief Constable v, as much more worthy of a vote of thanks than of blame. Were it not for the foresight shown by him in tie selection of the men for police duty at Car- narvon during tihe Eisteddfod, people might have been killed and others lacked up, but as it was no mishap of any kin-d occurred, a state of things wlhich he attributed entirely to the police. He never sa-w them discharge their duty more efficiently (heaj% hear). Mr Thomas Lewis thought that a great deal of time had been wasted unnecessarily over this matter. Surely the question of removing con- stables from one place to another on the occasion of great gatherings such as the Eistedd- fod ought to be left to the discretion of the Chief Constable (hear, hear). A member asked that the telegram shouio be read. Its contents were: "Llandudno Council protests strongly against the removal of con- stablas from Llandudno for Eisteddfod purposes during the height of the season." Mr J. E. Roberts proposed that the meeting proceed to the next question, whereupon Mr Hugh Hughes remarked that the other side of the question ought to bo discussed. He attended the Eisteddfod a.nd found that the police conducted people to their places, a. duty which might have been equally satisfactorily per- formed by other people. The meeting then proceeded to the next busi- ness. POLICE AND VOLUNTEERS ON CONWAY MORFA. THE JULY INCIDENT. Mr J. R. Pritchard desired to have the Chief Constable's version of the incident which recently occurred in a Volunteer camp at Conway, when a. poiice sergeant, while inspecting a canteen— and, as he (the speaker) thought, doing his duty — was placed under arrest by some of the Volun- teers. He wished to know if anything had been done to those who had presumed upon taking the law into their own hands. In reply the Chief Constable said that it had been the custom for years for a sergeant or a constable to go to the camp canteen on Con- way Morfa on Sunday to keep an eye on the civilians who went there to see what they could get in the way of drink. The police went there in this way on the 15th July last, when a Volun- teer Brigade, which had never been at Conway before, was in camp. For some reason or other two of the military police, as they were called, resented the visit paid by the serge-ant to canteen, and they aiTcsted him and placed him in the guard tent. The sergeant very wisely made no objection, but asked that an officer should be sent for. As soon as the officer came he released the sergeant, a.nd the officer com- manding the brigade called a.t the police SUDer- intendent's office, and ex profited his regret at what happened. He (the Chief Constable) wont to Conwa.y on the following day,- and both the commanding officer and the camp adjutant ex- pressed great regret at what had happened. The commanding officer aJso Olllisecl that there should be put in the orders that the police were to be allowed to visit the canteen for the rest of the camp, and that he would suggest to the officer commanding the district the inclusion of such an order in the standing camp orders. Under the circumstances he considered it best to leavo the matter where it was. The military authorities did all they could to set the matter right. To the best of his belief the police had no legal right to go to a military canteen; and the only proceedings that could have been taken, as far as he could see, would have been for common assault against the Volunteers, and that he thought it hardly worth while to do, for it was to the interests of both the police and the Volunteers tha.t they should be on good terms. Mr J. R. Hughes: May I ask if the police visited "the hotels at Conv.-ay as well during the camp to see that there were no people there after hours? The Chief Constable: Oh, yes. Mr Hughes: All the hotels? The Chief Constable: I cannot tell you. They should be visited if they are not. Mr Hugh Hughes, while agreeing that they could afford to let the incident in question drop, said something ought to be done in view of future camps. There was no doubt that a. great deal of Sunday drunkenness went on in the camps, due to the civilians who travelled there from various places, even as far as Bangor. If the police had no legal right to enter the canteens the sooner the better they had the right. The Conway people had nothing but praise to give to the Volunteers who camped there, but the trouble was caused by civilians who became a great nuisance by getting drunk. The Chairman said that he was gla.d to find that the incident complained of had resulted in securing a standing order being adopted which would give the police admission to the camps. Mr W. J. Parry: Cannot these canteens be placed under the Sunday Closing Act? The Chief Constable explained that the reason, why the police had no jurisdiction in camp canteens was that the cantoens had only the inland revenue licences. Mr Pa.rry: I do not see why any distinction should be made, and I think we ought to pro test against it. The Sunday Closing Act can never have a good effect at Conway under pre- sent conditions. Mr Jones Morris was under the impression that no civilian was supplied with drink in canteen, but there wats nothing to prevent a. civilian giving a. Volunteer a shilling to procure beer for him. He did not see any means to pre- vent that, or if there was it was vested in the commanding officer. Mr W. J. Parry thought that even the Volun- teers ought not to have intoxicatinsr drinks on Sunday. Colonel C. H. Darbishire was of opinion that a gToat deal more than was necessary had been made of the incident. The Volunteers concerned were from South Wales, and did not understand the custom on the Conway Morfa. The general rule was for the commanding officer to inv-'te police to assist in dealing with camp fob lowsra, who were the greatest nuisance possible, incident was more of a joke than anything- bat the officers of the brigade were a-nnoyed and sorry about rt, and if they visited Conway a^&in they womd undoubtedly invito the police to the camp as other regiments did. R- Pritchard expressed himself satisfied with the explanation given, a.dding that it was the wvilian hwng*ers-on that they wanted to reaoh, A BETHESDA COMPLAINT. The Clark to the Bethesda Urban District Gonncil wrote complaining df a nuisance caused iby young- people at Rochub, who were allowed to eanry on their gt-jnes, invade private pro- perty, and use lasignage to the ansnoyance of the residents. The Chief Constable sakl that he had seen to the matter, and since then ho had rcccivcd no comolairrts SEPARATE COMMISSION FOR PWLLHELI A letter from tho Home Offioe, dated. Juno 27th Last, was produced relating to a petition praying that a separate coramission might be granted to the borough of Pwllheli, Mr J R. Hughe; would sooner abolish the maigistoffial bench than add to £ t. Though bim&eJi a magistrate, they were tho greatest nuisance in the country. Thara ought to be a stipendiary everywhere. The adminirtratica of justico in CarEasrvanshiro ai present waa such that demanded attention, and he was- going to call attention to it at an early date. He moved that tlie letor should iio <& table. Lord Fearhyi. seconded. Mr Greaves Kird that t^e letter ought cer- tainly to be answered, seeing thai it came from the Secretary of State. Mr Jon,as-Morris said that tho difficulty would be met at PwIllicl; if the maigBrrtra-tica were to sot apart a diaiv other than Wednesday to hear ca.te.a from the parish of Denio, and he moved that 0. reoorn mondat-ion to this effect be mcude. Lord Pc-iirhya explained tiL&t- be waa not a war 2 till now that tho letter was from tha Secretary of State. It would be dhcoai-toons net to reply to TIr: and far that reason begged to withdraw his seconding df Mr Hughes's proposal. He was, however, not a.t all inclined to revert to the old order of things at Pwllheli. Mr J. R. Hughes said thai if his lordship regarded the proposal as discourteous he (Mr Hughes) also was prepared to withdraw it. Mr Greaves seconded Mr JcnesMorris's motion, which was unanimously agreed to.

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