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Rhyl and the Free Library Question. Public Meeting of Ratepayers. Lively Proceedings Determined Opposition. By public meeting, convened at the instance of the Urban District Council, the ratepayers of Rhyl were afforded an opportunity on Friday evening last of discussing the ques- tion of the desirability or otherwise of adopt- ing the Free Libraries Act, to comply with Mr Carnegie's gift of £ 3,000 for the pro- vision of a building as a library. It does not speak well for the interest of the residents in the matter when it is stated that in proportion to the number of ratepayers the attendance was meagre but what there was of it savoured preponderatingly of the opposition to the proposal. The element of opposition towards the Council adopting the entire scheme had not been quiescent. It was undoubtedly carefully planned and well organised. Whatever might be the ulterior or selfish motives of some persons opposed to the project of the erection of a free library, there still remains the fact that Rhyl —bidding fair to be one of the most power- ful rivals as a seaside resort along the coast next season-still remains on a par with some small unprovided towns, and want of keeping pace with the times. It has been decided, as an outcome of the meeting, to take the plebescite of the ratepayers on the matter, and it will not be devoid of interest. Letters of Apology. Mr ThomJas Wbitley, J.P., cibairmian; of the Council, presided, and those' on the plaJtform were Messrs H. A. TiL'by, F. J. GamHin, J. W. Jcnies-, R, OMneld, and P. J. A,shfi-eld, etc. The Clerk (Mr A. Rowlands) .aniniouinoed a telegram- had' been; received1 from Oouiniciilloa? Clew's regretting inability -to attend the- m'eieit- ing, and expressing the hope that t-hie ratepayers would cortfiilm the recommlendaJtÍon of the Council. h womid be disastrous if Mo: Car- (ii'sgfi-e's offer were refused. Tihe Vicar (Rev Thomas, Dioyd) had wlriit't-en regrrteM,ing flh-at a lo-ng-standing1 engagement pre- v-einlteidi his attending the. meeting. As a rate- payer he was fully in sympathy with tihloise whfo were against adding to the- ratiels, but hie ho;peljJ itfhat the Council wouild, !by a policy of retrench- m'enit and economy, keep t'hie rate down while adopting the Free libraries Act. A town of the size a-nd importance of Rhyl oulgih't to hiaive a public free library—(hear, heiar, and applause, and hli-ssas)—and a comforiaaible and w.e,1,1-1,iigfh(ted and ihesa'teid reading roam where the residents aouM turn in on a winter's evening, and spend their leisure hours with pleasure and profit. Mr Carnegie's offer to provide such a buiiildiing was an opcitunrty which mighiz ntsver occur again. (App 1 a u.s e.) The Rev S. T. Jones w-itofee he was strongly in favour of m,free library for the town. U The Setxe'tary (Mr H. R. Hclbeiche) of the Rhyl Advertising -and Improvement Associa- tion-, ,forwarded a letter intimating that he was instructed by the Executive! Committee of the association to state the membars had passed a resolution that Mr Carnegie's offer be not ac- cepted. (Applause.) The Council's Scheme and Advocacy. Mr Arthur Rowlands, in stating '[he case for the Council, explained at the outseit that i'n 1901 they heard of Mr Carnegie".s miu-nificenlc gifts for the establishment of free libraries; and it was then thought that pellhiaps Mr Car- negie would drink of Rhyl. At the time the remarks to that effect were treated as. a joke and laughed at; but iŒ1 June, 1902, Mr Heirbe'rlt Lewis, M.P., wrote from the House of Com- mons to MD Tilby, whlo then their chaiir- man, suiggestiing that Rhyl shlo,uldi apply to Mir iC,arn,e,gile for a gift for a free library. Mr Tilby handed the leitter crver wiiitlh -a free hand! to do wUatt was deamedi best. It wals agreed that the ob- jedt was a capital one, and they decided to prio- ceed with the matter. At a meeting on, the izjidh July, 1902, the Council adopted a memorial to 'Mr Carnegie, setting forth the circumstances of Rhyl and its needs af ai Free. Public Library. That was supported by Mr Samuel Siriith, M. f., on the 18th July of the siame year. The reply was ndt readily forthcoming, whereupon, they, forwarded a r-emilndier, with the nesiullt tlhiat a leitier was ceceived! as fomo:w's: "ii\J:r Carnegie had 226 such Library applications in July alone, which would be duly attended to in turn." That was dated September 3rd, 1902. N'oithing mo-re was heard until June this year, when a letter was received as follows :—"Mr Carnegie regrets that he has been unable hitherto to fakel up your letter of the 18th July, 1902, regarding Public Library, -on account of tihe overwhelm- ing number of applications which he received iast rammer. Particulars already sent should be amended iif necessary-, through altered con- ditions on account of the lapse of time." ThaJt was followedi !by muoh correspondence, and eventually Mr Carnegie fomwiardeld, an offer, dalved Auiguislt 20th last, from Ski-bo Ca:s!tle, stat- ing be would be glad to give £3,000 to erect a Free Library 'buiilding if tihe Free Public Libraries' Act were adopted, and the assess- ment under it levied, then, so that tlbere, might be money to stioclf the library whetn built, pro- ducinlg Z211 per year, as stated^ 'by the Coumclil. A site must also be given for. the buiildling, tlhle cc;sic niot to be a burden upcim the 1d rate. Mr Rowlands said that tharell:1tbre the giift wia's miwde upon the three conditions :—Tihe adop- tion. of the Pulb!.ic Libraries' Act; the levying of the Maximum rate of id ini the £ tlhen, so thiait there miglht be moneyro stock the- library iwh'ein bivilt; and tihe proviisilan of a slte for the library, the ooist not 'being a burden on [the rate. In regard ita the question of adloptiiion, off the Acit, the Couinicil were empowered: by tlhieiir own resIQ- luMilcin. to adopt the Act, andl if they dlid adopt it they woutdl be uaider an oibfliglaitio'ii to' ciarry it into effect. As' to tlhie necessity for levying ia raide, the Act miiglhit be adopted vrtitlh- a limita- tion of t'he rate to ^d-or ^dl in the £ buft wihliicih miiglhit afterwards be' nemoved by resolu- tion of the Council. Hbweiver, Mr Clarniegie in- -s-islced on the rate of id. Tihe Council had offered a site adjoinnng the Town Hall, where the old: Police Station, and -stand's were, I W_I.U fble addition oif the open gro'und', and also of -the old Bank offices. That scheme had been fuHly expilaitied to Mr Camnegie by ltetteirs and plan is. Tihe a.bandbnmen.t of the oild bank and the old polce building's nrigibt cau'se the Coun- cil a loss of £ 70 or 680 in rents, and besides they would have 'to disipose of the, Mbuftmary an4 anotlhier one'. It would not be a .m'ateir of mluch dlilstres's to anyone when the. Mortuary was 'removed from its present posi- tion. (Hear, hear and applause.) Those matters had been welU considered by tlheCoun- cil, but it was Ibeiiieved thfait loss wo'uld be com- penisiaceld far by increasied revenue from, the enr- liarige-mlant of the Town Halil. (Hear, hear.) The- Council had suiffered alsio cionsideralble loiss owing Do theiJr ndt being afble to let the Tlown Hall, in oaniseqnenrce of the Council requiring the use of the ant-e-ilclomls, adjeaning. AnOtlheir cans Me nation and asset which the, Counciil relied upon was the- 'great benefit which mughit acicrue to She: uown from the library, by elevat- irng the younlg ,-niair and -women re:s)ideints, saiv- ing them iro.m; evil habits, iUne prevalence 01£ wtoiich alwiayis tended] to cause distress anid poverty in towns. lit woiuild also be: a boon to j Rhyl, and be the mieiaims of railsing' Rhyll sitiill-1 hi!g1Î1,er :nl line nauk of -towns. (tHear, hear.)1 iNIir. Carnlelgll'e"s, offer carne beifoire the Gen-era'l Purpose's Coimlmiltiteei on the: 31st August liast, andi tlhley recomlme.ndledi the' counl- cil to a'coeiplti it wlilt'h sincere' gjnalfciituidle and un- bcmndedi appreiaiaitliloin: off his niolble 'sfpirit. Tihait rasoHluitlioin wia;s unaniLmiciuisllfy oonfirmiedl on the 14th September. Subsequently, the suirveyor was instiructed to prepare; a plain of the rree Library, wilth a view ot ext-enslian of thie- Town Hall, on the: siilte of the old police station. Tthait was done, and the estimated! cost was ^'3,500, injdludi: nig the noceissairy altertatiions to the Town Hall. The plans were ad/apted. He mien1- tioned in conclusion that the Ciciunciil were not bound to call a pubiliiic meetinjg, biult they wieire1 not anxioius to act in opposition to -the general wishes of the ratepayers of the towini. ('Hear, hear.) The Council was strongly in favour of a Ftree Pulblliic Library, andl although1 tihiey had accepted Mr Carnegie's gift there could be no valid -acicepita;nice. beifore tihe1 coindiiltliloinis had beein fulMliadi. lit ,would be1 saitlisifaldsoTy to tihie: Coiuni- cil if tlhat meeting' woull-d ciarry a resolution in y support oif thelir accqpta.nce of the gift. (Ap- p la use). At the: reiqueisit of tlhei Cihiairimiain, '}Ilr Goodiall, the sunveyor, expflJaih.edt the: plans of the pro- posed Library, anid the Town Halil exteinsioin, by melans of lantern, slideis (ptrepaired by Mr A. ClheefdhJam), -andl throiwin upo-a a soreeni at the- rear of the: plaltifoinru. Aiflrier tihie dieimiolition, of the olld poGiice Duiiildiiings tihle liiibrairy buiillldiiing wouiM be- eredted eintoinelly upon the giround floior, and it wias ptioipoised to uitililse the entrance of the oild Banrk «s the onily en- trance to the Library. There WOiulldi be, a reference: room, whiil-fet durebtly oppoisite the entoamc:e wtoutldl be located tihe lendSing depart- mlenit. Oltiher rooimis would be provided for tlhlB librarian, etc. In regard; to the Ttoiwn Hall ilt wtas- proposed to enllialIlge the stlaige, whilst at the same time- Itihtere would be puloividled addii'tiomail selakiinig accoimimodlatiion for 150 persions in the h'all'l. The. prelseinlt Coiuiniail Clhamlbeir could) be re'.served! entirely for tihfo Co^u,mail's purposes, and the Towni Ball wouild! be piracticiail'ly self- co DitJal: n,ed. The' proposeidl ailft:etria!t,itons, archi- tecitiutally, wO'uffid- (be. in keeping! wliltlh the present style of bulildlinig, and the whole of the cost of t'he extension:, etc., he esmiimalt'ed at ^3,650. (Onies pit "Ch!") Mr Elwy Williams Again. Mir Eliwy Wvi!lOiiiairnls> de'sired to ask Mr Riow- landls -fiether theire: was a pro'viisiom i-n. the Public Jji'bn2mU.'e s' Act to take' a" volte1 of the ra,,t,,eipayer,s ? Tihe Clerk: No. -\Ir Ellwly Wliillliamis asked the clerk hiow he explained selcitiion. ni, sufo-secit-ioin I ? The ;Cler(k That has been, repeafedi. (Laugh- ter). r In ainiswer to further quielstioinis the Clerk saidf the. raiteipayiars couild not delmland a poll. The msolutoion, oif that mleetiinigi waullidi not be fciindling, bult he was sure ,ilt wouild' htav,.e a plawerful in- fliUiende oin t'hiei Countail. (Hear, helalr.) The IQrdld .£"650' coullid be boraioiwed. (.A vioiice Oh! moire boririawiing). Rev R. Richard's slaid 'tihait ilf a resolution ctf (t'blalt meeting woiutlid not be biiindi'ing ;iit wia,s no use arguling matter. (Hear, hear). Reip'lyiing to Mr EilrWY'\V\i:nj'afmis', the uiivevoir said tlhat 62,000 wouild' be required for the Library bulildiing, aind t'he balance of ^1,650 coulldi be uttiltised for the Town. Hallil ex:tenls,ions. '?lI!r Elwy \Yifllliia(ms Whait will be the annual dharge: oini the ^2,000? (Daughter). "The Cihiaiirmian. pointed cult tihait ^3,000 was (prOimiiiseid. The. Coiuncil could not -plliedlge thelm. sellves by a relsoluit'i-on of that mieleit'ing. (Cries of 'Oh !") An Eloquent Protest. ^Mr Joseph iJloyid), solicitor, addiresisiing 'the audien:ce from the plaltifbirim, slalid he was a ralte- payer, a imem,bter of the R(atepiayers'' As'soioi- •ation, and tlhieiir representative thalt niiiglhit. He desired' everyone to be satiisfied upon' thteie points before'aipprovinig oif the sciheime. First, whether there. wia/s a gtemiuiine or neiall d.emtan.d for the liibiriary—(apjpilauise),—whether the id rate would be sufficient, and the ratepayers could' afford it? Wlhait wias the; deimiand, and who dleaniandied the library? (A vioiice "The Councill.) Visitottis came to Rhyl fror fresh air and enjoyment, not to oooip- themselves up in a room to sltluldy. The demands off the visitors clOrulid/'be siupipftied by thie circulating libraries. One argument adivaniced in favour of tihe library was Itihiait it woull-d, be a place for reMetaitiion and ediulciatiibnal puiriptoseis. (Lauiglhjter anid' a<pipilause.) Als tio, the questiion oif reicreialfon., was' there any- one who had' :slt-uid!ield the fiimanaial prolstiltilon who had asked for another penny to be -aidided to the ratfes for reoreaitioni. (Cirieis olf "iNiO'). Why, was. iit not Neiro wbio, fiddled when Rome, was burning? (Laughter and applause.) He had observed ilt sHated tihlaJi. the persons who. were objecting to the library were t'hicise who had got lliibitaries -at home. But he- did npfc believe that. (Hear, hear.) The persons IWlho wanted tihtat lilmary wiere those who had gait libraities at hlamie; therefore, he wiouldi say to theim, "Go hioiine and read your books." (Hefar, hear.) Had not many who hiad got libraries stood be- fore fbam wiiitih feelings of reigtret and despair- regret thalt they eoui'd molt reiad the old boo'' and despair that. they never could read allil iie books?. (Hear, hear.) 1 Circulating Libraries. Persons could join- the circulating liShrarr I the town, whieiie 'they could) glt any I the, v liked for a nominial sum. (Voices "'N<iC> "'No, you cannot -get what you w-a 'ult.") 'e wais assur.edi at those lii.bimiriiieis any be- cbtained, if theire was a demi? j r -s wias not that' demand'. Talk w-ni*' ■' In 1 a c £ ,-d r atooiu1 „/t,,iirAaLiOnaii purposes! (A voace: Be'1' ing m-am and place him Take a ""O by books, he wouildi 111: A rooim s>urno!uni •_ the first irasr.ianice w:' want s0in?Je'o"'re, advise him which. the boo^ (Crneis of "N"- < J expeweac;^ vro>uld tei& tihe Ga>mlli, t, v j- ) i,e t)OT-nie -11 tplao^ >r ..cfe ^^e,re ,studyir S librSSw .not "Ah! Tihait's a different thing aillbogefithea:1.") If thiat was so, tfhen he agreedl to differ. (Laugh- ter and applliaulse.): If they were going to have a Free Library for educiarti-onial pu-ipoaes, they roust have a class where: douibts and' difficulties tnusit !be explained and removed!. In that re- s-peict a liibr.ary would be no use. In Lanca- shire and Yorkshire, he adm/iicited, lilbrarieis were of greait educational purposes, for tihea:e- ware grelalt industries, aimdl workingimeh vis.iit,eld them, and also tlhoise in the Potteries, 'to studiy the hiiisitoiriels of tlheir trades. (Applliause.) But iwlhiait indiu,stry hadi they in Rhyl? Thay bad gql slii(r!iim|ps—(iliaugjhteir)—^anid he was iin- foirmed they were. to have ciocklleis; but there was no standard work on shiriimips or cockles. (,Laughter and applause.) Tlhere were towns eqmaJlly as praglreissive 'as Rlhyll, wlhiiclh hiad re- fuis'dd sUlohgifltls oif llibrariieis, because tlhey ware considered they would1 not be beneficial to the towns. (Hear, hear.) There; was a "class of people who could- not resist giftis of that blnidI wlhiem theiy were dlanigledl beifioire tlhem. Tlhey were like lialdlieis who went infto sihops fofr.-bair- gains wlhidh miglhlt be faislhiiondble, but welre ruoit niaoelslsanies. He was a married man-((h,e)ar, hear, and laughter)—aui'd he tihoulglhlt the1 audi- ence: would agree with hiiim as to wlhait he was iallkinig about- '('Louid laughter.)' If the Free Libraries Act weirte adloipted, ilt wOnld entail a perpetual tlax upom future generations. (A voice: "Tlhtalfls not much.") Theme- wouild aJlso ibe required t'he necessary officials, aisi well as the furnishing, lli|ghltimg, cleaning, etc.; but wloiulld the id ratie 'SlaltlsiflyaJlll 'tihoise dlamianids? Tihe rateipayeens -sholuilid conisideir the many houses wh'iich were empty m 'Rhtyl and the depreciatioin oif prc(plerty, als well as the high d-ate oif the riates. The High Rates. Mir Rowland's at a recelnt inquiry bad said thalt tihe rateis woiuldi be 8s gd in the Z, and ítihiaJt wats a tiremendo-us -ilaitet for suidh a uawn tanid tihialt hiilglheir rat-els couiidl not be bOlrne wnth- 'Qlult dli'slastrouis resullltis. (Louid 'applause,) Was iit nioit tiiime to take a id off thie~ ralteis instead of putaing on.e on? (iA|pplllause.) The character- aistfflc oif tihiils age- was ex'tiavtagance. The demo- tfflacy was Glunt's trial, a,nid tihe varidliat of pOlS- (t-evi,by would) ciondamm it far iks extravagance. AIM tihouiglhltlfuil tmeni were sioiuindlinig1 ",Fl,al!t Weire tihe: Rhyl rateplayiems gloting to lisitein to' it? Were, they going to be: draiggtedl initio tlhiat anaei- stiroim: of eXltWavaganice: wthidh, with ever-narrow- ing and ever-quiiccfeininigi ciiirfcleis:, would ait lasft bring them to tihait falte from whiidh tlhey would find they clQlu/llel: not escape? (La-uglhlter and appffiauise.) Mr H. A. Tiiillby aisilced the, audientde to forget the alluri-nig finale put forth by -IIlr Lloyd, and treat Itihle question, from. a biuisinetes point oIf v I e;w. Ever since he. had been a metmlber o!f tlhie: Council he had been in favour of a fr-e-6 library, if it w'ere" possible to get one. He hlaldl -nevier heratidi a. sangle counciillll'o'r eixipress an ,o.pii,ntilon, that was antagonistic,' to the principle of such a library for the towln. 'Hult they bad paused' on account of. economy, and felt ^sic perhaps it was. not tlhie ri:ght time- to .saddle the ratetpayeiiis wfiuh addiltitooal burdens. When- diis- cuiss'mg .t'he quesititoni in the, Council he was one who. fchoiughlt thelre; should be a pulblic meeting of the ra,t,paye;rs-(,(Ioud, applause)—and he was pre.pairedi to abide by the dert;isioini of that meet- inig, for Be belieived fi-nmly in deimiolcriatdc gov7 ernme.nit, and', as, he was, a repiresenitiaitive of the ratepayers, if they expressed theiir vi.e,wis in nio. uncertain sound he shouild' ciairry out their be- hesltis. (Alpipillause.) He fully reoogniised thalt the library wtould mean an adldiiitliioniall id on, thie rates. M'r Lloydl had hinted tihiait the men of the town bad! not the mental capacity to irecloigniise tihe questiion bult he (Mr Tmbv) had greater confidence in, the intelligence of the people. Mr Lloyd' had been speaking from, instruic- tfiions, and he was speaking; from experience. (Loud applause.) He strongly cornibiaititeld, Mr Lloyd's arguments, and sa-itdi thalt, as one who. had had 30 years' experience of teaching, mUlclh ediucaitiio.nial efflort was wasted unlTelsls there was some sort df conitiiinuiation schools—{appiliaiuse)— and as theire. were no such instiiltluitlonis:, he fully believed the young' peoiplle of the town would derive soimie educational advantage1 from the library. He coimime.nidted the raitetpayeirs to voite for the library. (Loud applause.) Mr Elwy Williams and Solomon. Mr Elwy Williams said they had heard' two paid pil,eaide,r-s that night, and! this diiffenfence be- tween, theim was tbat Mr L'l'oyd paiild rates in, the town, and' Mr Rlowlaindls diiid not. (A voice: "Shame," and- applause.) He could as- sure the. ratepayers he was- not aigtajinst the' free iiibrary; bult, as Solomon said, tlhle-re was tlime fqr eveinyithling—^time, to cry, time to liaiujgih, and time to have a. library, an.d time not to have it. He comtienidieid tlhere was n-owhintg to p-reive-nt the Council taking the voice, of the ratepayers, vOl- uinitairaly—(hear, hear)—toy leaving voting paper's at the houses, and asking1 the ratepayers whether they wanted the "library. He, was. a thorough democrat, and he wanted the voiÏbeOlf the public. (Applause.) It was nice to have Mr Carnegie's offer; but iit miuist be remem- bered that Rhyl was very pioor at the present ttUme, andl thait there, wais muich piiotpleaity not oc- cupied. Such a .state of affairs would continue unless they had some .r.eforttn and retrenchment to lower the ralries. (Hear, bean.) He was afrafiid itibey would have to go to tihe wall. (Laugh- ter.1) He moved! that the Counted be asked, to issue voicing papers to he ratepfayeata. vMr Asher, lléUte postmiaislter of Rhyil, delivered a long speeldh, in. wlhidh he redte4 the numiber of townis, including several in Noirttih Wales, wfhetre such- libraries had been, adopted. He favoured! EMr Ðlwy Wililiiams' propiosal, but be- lieved -if they .couiidl do somieithiing to educate the- young -,eqpl,e after leaniinfgi -sclhlood, it wonid p be one- of the greatest blessings tihait could he 'COnferreid! in Rhyl. (Applause.) lit s e etm ed an extura/oirdiiniairy m'aitter oln the plaullt, of some perisons to have: free libraries, buit he woiuild re- mind theim 'thlat free libraries were originated eoirnteltlhlinigi like 4,000 years ago—in tihe time of the A'ssymians. (Laulghlter and applliause.) Tihe Cleric tlbem read, idhe resolution, which wta's as foMowts —"That a po-lll of the rtatepayers ibe taikenon. the question wlhettbeir tlhey are for o,r agaiist the Council adtcrplving the Free I>ilbn:aries'Act on. the condition, offered by Mr Claitinegie- (Mr H. i4 Tiiillby And' thait) tlheiiir daciision shall be final. That shouild be made qutite clear. I The r tk Yes. j The )Îbn, Which was seconded), was puJt 1 to itlng, and carried u.naniiimo.usly.

1 'rawe on- ABotndlay, W/iiiliilalm Henry I yllway mian, was cfhiarged wiifch dirunk- O D! 'Sla,tulrldla\" ni¡g!hlt his lianilflisidy was to re/mon-sitrtatie wi'lth him, and asked |av>e her ho'use. 'He reifialliated; by say- jb-e wouild kilss her. ainid in 'aidtemptiinig s almost bffi a porition of her cheek off. toner siaid that the aJl.ways behaved -sbi 4 drink, o-wing to his service in India | late war. He wats camm/ifrted to prison fi s Pv' <

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