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St. Asaph (Denbigh) Rural District Council. Medical Officer and the Press. Sanitary Condition of Llanddulas. Mr Robert Wynne's New Scheme. MR J. D. JOXKS, J.P., presided over Vlie monthly meeting of this Council held! at St. Asaph on o Friday. There was a large attendance ot mem- bers. Workmen's Dwellings at Llanddulas. The first business on ttie agenda was the con- sideration 01 a special repuiit Dy tie medacai omcer ot heahft. upon the santary condition of Llandduias. The Clerk said the Local Government Board, who 'had also- De-en supplied, a copy ot the report, -had written asjiJig, wid-at measures Council ulitenClec1 to adopi 'to improve the sani- tary comi.iuon of the place aliu, to aoate the overcrowding nuisance- win.ch prevailed t'nere. Air Joseph juries said h-e was under the im- pression Lira;, tney 'had, already come to a deci- sion on the question, and that It was ordered to be sent to the Local Government lioar-d. The Clerk \ou have not come to a decision yet. Air Joseph Jones Yes, we have. I\Ye decided to write to the landowners. The Clerk 'liuere has been no decision upon that point yet. Mr J oseph Jones said two or thre'e members of the Council were deputed -to discuss the ques- tion with t!he Llanddulas Parish Council. On tha.,t occasion the local Council felt they were not justlfiedl in 'taking steps to turn the poor people out of their houses, and it was agreed thalt an- appeal should' be made to' the' respec- tive quarry- owners and landowners to build proper houses for the, accommod'a'don of their workimeni. If that were done it would do away with any complaints' on the score of overcrowd- ing. He proposed 'that a letter be sent to the Local Government Board, intimating that the Council were taking tho'se steps. The Clerk Also that the Counltess of Dun- do,n)aldl and Mr Wynne, Uarfhewin, should be written o. Mr Jones: Certainly. The-'Clerk said it was rather hard upon Llan- ddulas to provide houses, seeing' that the quar- ries, who employed) so many of the -men who lived in Llanddulas, were situated in the L-on- way district. It was asked! winy should Llan- d'dtulas have to find dwellings for men who were employed) out of their own district, especially seeing that the quarries iin question were rated in ai-iother union. 'Mr Wm. Jones seconded the resolution thalt the local landowners and the quarry owners be written to wi;i a view to better accommodation1 t'E being provided for the working classes, which was adopted. Proposed New Sanitary Scheme at Uanddulas. The Clerk readi a letter from Mr Robert Wynne, enclosing plans of a new scheme for sewering Llanddulas, prepared at his instruc- tions by Messrs Parry and Denton, and' asking ,the Council if they would carry out the main porltion of the scheme, which was estimated to cost £ 1,880 10s. The present system was a most unsatisfactory one, as the levels would not permit of the proper sewering of the s,i!tes-tw,o of whidh had been sold—along the new road, so as -to connect them to the present sewerage tank. The new scheme proposed' to take the sewage into the sea. The present tank was in a imost unsanitary condition, and was a menace to the public 'health. A storage reservoir would ,be necessary if the scheme were carried out, and the sewage would be. pumped out into the sea. The clerk addedi that it was a matter which would have to be carefully considered in committee. Mr Joseph Jones said, it was a bilg; undertak- ing for a sma.1 parish: like Llanddulas to carry out, because the expense would have to be borne by t parish. The Clerk: The committe.e must consider the question very carefully; and they may prob- ably consider it advisable -to consult the Parish. Council about it'. Until the maicter has been considered by the local Council, you cannot say what steps you will tlake. Mr Joseph Jones: I question very much whether such a big outlay will be sanctioned. T'he Medical Officer said it was quite as cost- ly as the original scheme. The Clerk said the original scheme cost £ 400, which had been repaid with the exception of £93. The water scheme cost £ 1,070, land out of the Ci,ooo borrowed, £ 249 remained out- standing. lIt was resolved. that a. committee of the whole Council should consider the scheme. The Medical Officer and the Press. The Chairman' called the attention of the Medical Officer of Health (Dr Lloyd Roberts) to a report in the, papers relating 1[0 an out- break of infectious disease at a Llanddulas public-house. He had asked, the reporters where they g'ot the information from, as if -was a pri- vate meeting, and they informed him that the medical officer had- given it to fihem. The Medical Officer: Yes, I did. The Chairman Were you, not aware it was a private meeting'? The M.edical Officer: No, sir, I was not. There appeared to be no reason why it should be. The Chairman: Don't you think you were wrong-in divulging particulars of an oulibrezek of infectious disease? The Medical Officer: I did not understand it was a private meeting. The Chairman I think you did very wrong] in giving information to any reporter about this matter, and the Council are very cross about it. I would not do it again, doctor. The Medical Officer: Very well, sir. Llanfairtalhalarn Sewerage Scheme. In reference to the Council's application to the L'ocal Government Board to borrow £427 for sewerage purposes at Llanfairtalhaiarn, the superior Board) asked for more details of the scheme. The Clerk said he sent the letter on to Air T. B. Farrington, who said he was giving, the matter his immediate attention. I!t was, said the clerk, entirely a malrter 'between the engineer and the Local Government Board'. J't was deferred to the next meeting. ColwYiJ Bay and Hospital Charges. The Clerk said 'he had a. similar letter to i'na one he submitted: to the Board of Guardians. He asked for authority to draw a cheque for the Colwyn Bay Council, as they would get one back from the Guardians. It was decided that the account should be paid. The Proposed Sanatorium for Denbighshire. The resolutions adopted at 'the Rhyl confer- ence in respect to the provision of a sanator- ium and isolaition hospitals for Denbighshire, N ere read. The Clerk said å't would be far beitter if the county ha'd a sanatorium art each end. It would be quite ample in his opinion. The Chairman said if all the district councils were to combine together, something might come of it, bu,t lie did not think the matter would be entertained if only one Council were to take the question up. Mr Bennett Jones proposed, and Mr John Roberts seconded, that the matter he deferred. The latter saidl it was admitted1 on all hand-s that Denbighshire was one of the healthiest counties as regarded consumption, and it was ridiculous to suggest that that county should go to the expense of erecting a sanatorium. It was decided to defer the matter. Llanfair Water. The Clinical- Research Association forwarded ,their analysis of a sample of water taken at Llianfair'talhaiarn. The result showed t'ha't the water was only of moderate organic purity. The contamination was probably or vegetable origin and when the source was properly guarded, a fairly good water should be obtained. I'c would be desirable that the water should be again sampled under more favourable conditions. The Medical Officer explained that the water was very muddy when the sample was taken. The Council, however, might consider it a fairly good sample; whatever it contained could' be met by extra filtration, which could be added, if necessary. It was a sample of water than they were using now. +

St. Asaph Board of Guardians. The Charges for Smallpox Patients at Marian Bach. The Electric Light Scheme Again. WHEN Air Llew.elyn Jones commenced to read the minutes of the last meeting at 12.30 a.m., on Friday, there was. an attendance of four members and three pressmen. "Please ring the bell, Mr Jones," slaid he, to the master, indicating the eleotric button, "or we shall be here all day." The Master pressed, the button, and a loud whirr-r-r sprang up sa-m-ultaneously in tne committee and luncheon rooms. In a few minutes a stream of members poured, into the room, looking at peace wi'ih all the world. Luncheon was over Tlhose present were Messrs Gwilym Parry (vice-chairman), S. Perks, G. F. Gunner, P. Mcstyn: Williams, J. H.. Ellis, Robert Davies, T. Pierce Hughes, Hugh Williams, <W. H. Hughes, 'Wm. Jones, W. S. Roberts, Ro-berfo Griffiths, Edlwiin 'Morgan, Morris Jones, John Roberts, l'olhn Williams, J. Roberts Jones, J. D. Jones, John Jones, J. T. Parry, Jclhn Ker- fooit, Joseph Jones, J. Pierce, J.. Fximsiton, Thos. Evans, J. Pr.ltchard, Edward 'Williams, Airs Robert Jones, and Aliss Bennett, with lihe clerk (Air C. Grimsley). Gifts to the Inmates. Air Jones, of Llanerch, sent 46 rabbits for the use of the inmates; illustrated papers were sent by Airs Richard Birch, IBryn Ceiyn; and also by Airs J. II. Roberts, Tanrall't. Votes of thanks were accorded- to tlhe donors. Christmas Cheer. lit was resolved to give the inmates their usual Christmlas dinner of roast beef, plum pu.d- ding, etc. The Lighting Question. The Clerk reported! that the Visiting Com- mittee had 'the tenders for lighting the new in- firm any before them; but owing to insufficient time :t'hey could not do justice- to 'them. He was, therefore, instructed) to tabulate 'he ten- ders and supply each member with a copy. line architect was also instructed to supply particu- lars of the capital charges, as well as the: coslt of maintenance of the different methods of lightin'g, viz., electric light, gas, and acetylene gas. After some discussion, it was resolved that Air 'Goldsmith, mai^ger of tbei Rihuddflan Foun- dry, and; Air W. C. Jones, one of the proprietors, should be asked to assist the architect and master in: "arriving at the cost cf idb-e aforesaid, lights. The St. Asaph Relief District. REG ISTTZIkR-GE-NERALr S LOCAL KNOWLEDGE. Air G. F. Gunner said the Finance Committee had for the- third or fourth time considered this question, and they were still undecided as to. what they should do about it. However, Yc was resolved to leave the question as it was, as it appeared to the commÙtee that the Registrar- General pretended to know more about the dis- trict than those' people residing in the locality. Their original suggestion was the best they could think of, andi they recommended the Guardians to go on as before. Air 'Griffith,: Perhaps fhe clerk had (beitter in- terview the Registrar-General in person. It would do more good Ithan all the' correspond- ence in the world. '}Jr Robert Davies said it appeared, as if they were being sat upon by the London officials. The Conway 'Guardians seemed to' be much in the same position as th.emseives as to the divi- sion of the registrar's work in the Union. The Chairman suggested that further consid- eration of the quesiticn should '-be undertaken in abo.ut three weeks' time -at a special meeting. Air Frimston essayed to move a resolution, I t asking the Registrar-General to agree 'to R'h udd:- lan being added to Rhyl for registration pur- poses, but the chairman said he could not ac- cept it without notice. With only three dissentients, it was resolved to hold, a special meeting of ,the Finance torn- mititee three weeks that day. Colwyn Bay Council's Smallpox Charges. PROTEST AGAINST EXORBITANT DEMANDS. The Clerk said he had) received a letter from the clerk of the Colwyn Bay Urban. District Council, stating that he was unable tg. 'give any further information in reference to the charges for smallpox patients in their hospital. The fees demanded were for maintenance' and treat- ment only, apd no reduction; in t'.he, amount Would be entertained. The Council would also exipedt payment of the account within I4 days from that dia-teu The Clerk explained that the- claim was really made against the St. Asaph (Denibigtti) Council, I and they were charging the Guardians. The claim was at the rate ot 31s 6à\ per day, and he asked the Cohvyn Bay Council for further par- t:culars. The total amount of claim was k252 15s xod. The Chairman asked whether they were going to pay such a claim without getting a fuller explanation of the charges. He did not think such a bill could be maintained in court. AIT Roberts Jones (Rhyl) Do they absolukely refuse to render a detlailed statement? The Chairman lit looks like it. Air Roberts Jones They are either guessing a'¡ t'he- amount or concealing something. The Chairman: It seems an, extraordinary charge. The Clerk said the burial expenditure for two of the patients amounted, to ^18 2S 4d,. .Air Thomas Evans said Rhyl had been ex- tremely fortunate in their continued immunity from smallpox. The burial charges were not excessive, considering the great risk attending 'the work. Mr J. Pierce said they in Abergele knew something about the matter, and theiy fiaci con- sidered the -charges most minutely. it certainly was a difficult thing for them to get anybody to bury smallpox patients without ample compen.- saition. The Chairman: But that is only a small por- tion of the bill. Air J. D. Jones said it was no use beating about the bush. They hadi tried to get several items knocked off, but t'hey had failed. If tney deferred the matter for a month or six weeks, they wouldi be no beitter off. He proposed that they pay the bill. They would have to pay it in the long run, so let them settle it without any •bother.. The Clerk said he had written the Conway Union authorities on the matter, .as they were in a somewhat similar position to themselves, and the clerk in answer to his letter stated that they came to an .arrangement with the Council in respect to the hospital charges for maintenance and treatment, and those charges were- 31s 6d per day. The: Conway Union had not asked, for and. did1 not -expect to get any par- ticulars of the charges. The Chairman: Of course Colwyn Bay is in the Conway Union, and they will receive a large portion of the charges back, but in our case we shall have to pay the whole of it our- selves. Alx J. D. Jones If the}- put us in court we shall have to pay every cent of it. shall have to pay every cent of it. Air T'hos. E,vans: If we had had a hospital of our own we should, have had a portion of this money back. But we had not, and we were obliged' to send: our patients elsewhere. I second t'he motion that we pay the money. Air Joseph Jones pointed oust that Colnyvn Bay themselves had. had to pay certain charges to the G.wymfor Hospital, in Carnarvonshire, for some patients they sent there. The Chairman: Those charges were 295 io-^d-—is 7Yzd less than ours. Mr J. Roberts-Jones hoped the guardians would not pay fe bill. I-le was sure they were willing! to pay whalt was fair and get out of their indebtedness as soon: as possible, but as to pay- ing away public money without knowing exactly what they were payin'g it for was out of all reason. They should insist upon having par- ticulars, and refuse to pay unless they hadj them. He was quite prepared to support a liberal, even an extravagant, payment, but under the circumstances it was absurd to demand a big sum of money in that style. (Air J. H. Ellis supported the proposal tc, pay the claim. The amount seemed excessive, cer- tainly, and! even exorbitant, but under the cir- cumstances, which were exceptional, they could) nok really call iit overcharging. There was an epidemic in the: district, and, as they had no hospital of their own, they had recourse to out- sidte assistance. Country patients who were accoimmediated at the Rhyl Isolation Hospital often declared- that the charges were excessive, bult according to their medical officer the Rhyl Council lost nearly 30s upon every paililent they took in. Special nurses had to be engaged, and in fact the expenditure was not aft all met by the fees paid by the patient. Under the' cir- cumstances St seemedl ill-requited! kindtoess on the!ir part to' grumble when the bill came in, when at the time they would have been pre- pared to do anything to avoid the spread of the disease. The Chairman, siaid' it .votildi be a charge upon thei Common Fundi of the Union. (Mr Joseph. Jones said! that when the members of the 17niion saw the ColwynBay authorities they Ig,ave, a -personal undertaking that all the ticulars. The total amount of claim was ^,252 15s xod. The Chairman asked whether they were going to pay such a claim without- getting a fuller explanation of the charges. He did no't think such a bill could be maintained in court. AIT Roberts Jones (Rhyl) Do they absolukely refuse to render a detailed statement? The Chairman.: lit looks like it. Air Roberts Jones They are either guessing a!t the amount or concealing something. The Chairman: It seems an, extraordinary charge. The Clerk said the burial expenditure for two of the patients amounted, to ^18 2s 4d. .Air Thomas Evans said Rhyl had been ex- tremely fortunate in their continued immunity from smallpox. The burial charges were not excessive, considering the great risk attending 'the work. Mr J. Pierce said they in Abergele knew something about the matter, and theiy fiaci con- sidered the -charges most minutely, it certainly was a difficult thing for them to get anybody to bury smallpox patients without ample compen.- saition. The Chairman: But that is only a small por- tion of the bill. Air J. D. Jones said it was no use beating about the bush. 'They hadi tried to get several items knocked off, but t'hey had failed. If tney deferred the matter for a month or six weeks, they wouldi be no beitter off. He proposed that they pay the bill. They would have to pay it in the long run, so* let them settle it without any •bother.. The Clerk said he had written the Conway Union authorities on the matter, .as they were in a somewhat similar position to themselves, and the clerk in answer to his letter stated that they came to an .arrangement with the Council in respect to the hospital charges for maintenance and treatment, and those charges were- 31s 6d' per day. The -Conway Union had not asked for and did1 not -expect to get -an}' par- ticulars of the charges. The Chairman: 'O'f course Colwyn Bay is in the Conway Union, and they will receive a large portion of the charges back, but in our case we shall have -to pay the whole of it our- selves. Alx J. D. Jones If the}- put us in court we shall have to pay every cent of it. Air Thos. Evans If we had bad a hospital of our own we sho.uldi have had a portion of this money back. But we had not, and we were obliged' to send our patients elsewhere. I second the motion that we pay the money. Air Joseph Jones pointed oust that Colnyvn Bay themselves had. had to pay certain charges to the G.wymfor Hospital, in Carnarvonshire, for some patients they sent there. The Chairman: Those charges were- 29s io-^d-—is 7^d less than ours. Mr J. Roberts-Jones hoped the guardians would not pay the bill. -He was sure they were willing! to pay whalt was fair and get out of their indebtedness as soon: as possible, but as to pay- ing away public money without knowing exactly what they were payin'g it for was -out of all reason. They should' insist upon having par- ticulars, and refuse to pay unless they hadJ them. He was quite prepared to support a liberal, even an extravagant, payment, but under the circumstances it was absurd to demand a big sum of money in that style. (Air J. H. Ellis supported the proposal to pay the claim. The amount seemed excessive, cer- tainly, and! even exorbitant, but under the cir- cumstances, which were exceptional, they could) no!t really call iit overcharging. There was an epidemic in the: district, and, as they had no hospital of their own, they had recourse to out- sidte assistance-. Country patients who were accoimmediated at the Rhyl Isolation Hospital often declared- that the charges were excessive, bult according to their medical officer the Rhyl Council lost nearly 30s upon every patient they took in. Special nurses had to be engaged, and in fact the expenditure was not aft all met by the fees paid by the patient. Under the' cir- cumstances St seemed! ill-requited! kindtoess on their part to' grumble when the bill came in, when at the time they would have been pre- pared to do anything to avoid the spread of the disease. The Chairman, siaid' it wo'-ul-dibe a charge upon thei Common Fundi of the Union. (Mr Joseph. Jones said! that when the: members of the Un'ion saw the Colwyn Bay authorities t'hey ^ave' a -personal undertaking that all the claims made- afterwards for the1 accommodation would be- paid. Air J. Roberts-Jones hoped the Board' would' not pay the claim without careful examination. Air Griffiths Tha!t means we shall have to engage a lawyer, and. then we certainly shall not know where we are' or where we may get to. (Laughter). Mr J. D. Jones said he would, like to know the opinion of the clerk. The Clerk said 'that as he was clerk of the District Council he1 would not care to offer an opinion either way. The motion to pay was- then' put to the meet- ing and carried* with only seven dissentents. To Lie on the Table. A circular letter from, the Kingston Union enclosing copy of a resolution in favour of in- troducing legislation repealing so -much of the Act of 15 and 16 Vic. chap. 81, which now makes it incumbent upon guardians to collect county rates, was ordered to lie on the table. Labour Colonies for Vagrants. On the motion of Aliss Bennett, seconded by Afr Bennett Jones, it was resolved to- adopt a similar resolution as that ado pi ted by the county of Lincoln in favour of the establishment of 'labour colonies for vagrants. A Purchaser for the Workhouse. STRANGE OFFER FROM, A LONDON FIRM) The following letter from: 'Alessrs 0shorn andl Mercer, London, was read by the Clerk: — 'Would you kindly inform us whether you think there, is any possibility of your Board of Guar- dfians entertaining- the sale of your available workhouse premises, giving early possession. We are asking on behalf of a client, and, shall be glad of your earliest possible reply." The epistle was greeted writh. laughter, which became general when, a member asked if the purchaser would take the inmates as well. After a little desultory discussion the clerk was instructed' to reply that the Guardians were willing to enterkain an offer. (Laughter). Mr J. D. Jones said he would, like to know the opinion of the clerk. The Clerk said 'that as he was clerk of the District Council he1 would not care to offer an opinion either way. The motion to pay was- then' put to the meet- ing and carried* with only seven dissentents. To Lie on the Table. A circular letter from, the Kingston Union enclosing copy of a resolution in favour of in- troducing legislation repealing so -much of the Act of 15 and 16 Vic. chap. 81, which now makes it incumbent upon guardians to collect county rates, was ordered to lie on the table. Labour Colonies for Vagrants. On the motion of Aliss Bennett, seconded by Afr Bennett Jones, it was resolved to- adopt a similar resolution as that ado pi ted by the county of Lincoln in favour of the establishment of 'labour colonies for vagrants. A Purchaser for the Workhouse. STRANGE OFFER FROM, A LONDON FIRM) The following letter from: 'Alessrs 0shorn andl Mercer, London, was read by the Clerk: — 'Would you kindly inform us whether you think there, is any possibility of your Board of Guar- dfians entertaining- the sale of your available workhouse premises, giving early possession. We are asking on behalf of a client, and, shall be glad of your earliest possible reply." The epistle was greeted writh. laughter, which became general when, a member asked if the purchaser would take the inmates as well. After a little desultory discussion the clerk was instructed' to reply that the Guardians were willing to enterkain an offer.

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