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MARRIAGE WITHOUT MEANS. A MOLD GIRLS MISFORTUNE. AT Handsworth Police Court, before Messrs. J. B. Lees, E. H. Stringer, and J. H. Pearson, Annie Crump applied for a maintenance order against her husband, William Beriah Cramp, no occupation, of 19, Sycamore Boad, Hands- worth. Mr. W. F. Jeffrey, who appeared on her behalf, stated that prior to her marriage the plaintiff was a nurse in an asylum in North Wales. While down there on a visit defendant met her, and told her a glowing story as to his position. His father was a gentleman, and'his grandfather a doctor with an income of f20,000 a year. He further said he would benefit under his grandfather's will, and that he was in a situation at Tangye's and had money in the bank, some of which he would settle upon her. In view of these statements she consented to marry him. After the wedding they came to Birmingham, and she then found that not only was he without situation or means, but that he was living with his relatives and relied upon them for the means of exis- tence. They lived togeth«r for three weeks, and then he resolved to get rid of his wife, and in order to do so he practiced a deception which for depth was unparalleled. He wrote two letters to her father, in the first of which he said It is now nearly a month since you gave your daugher in marriage to me, and during that time things have gone on with tolerable satisfaction, except for the circum- stance of my having been out of employment from the day of my marriage up to the present which very much troubles Annie; but since a disturbed state of mind will not improve matters, I try to assure her that a cheerful patience is far the better course, knowing that the path of life is not always smooth. I wish her to come and spend a time with you while in this unfortunate position, but she says she would not care to. She is quite well. I find she is not so careful as to her health as she might be. For instance, I have noticed her walk upstairs, and so on, without nothing but stockings -a course which will encourage rheumatism, to which she inclines constitution- ally. I hope that by repeated eorrections to make her more regardful of herself.' The second letter was written on April 16th, in answer to the reply of the first. It was also written to complainant's father, whom it accused of lack of parental affection. Defen- dant added that he was still out of employ- ment, and his means of maintaining his wife was quite exhausted. Therefore one of two alternatives would have to be taken. Firstly, she will return to the guardian care of her father and mother (how sweet the sound of mother) and, secondly, failing that, she will take a situation.' To this note was added the following highly-poetic, but somewhat vague posteript :There is nothing in this world so sensitive as affection. It feels its own happi- ness too much not to tremble for its reality, and starts ever and anon from its own delicious consciousness to ask 'Is it not indeed a dream?' A word and a look are enough either to repress or encourage.' Mr. Shakespeare (magistrates' clerk): Is that a quotation ? j Mr. Jeffery: I believe he has rather a poetic I nature. Continuing, Mr. Jeffery said that, not content with that, defendant wrote two anony- mous letters to friends of the complainant's father. In one he said For some reason or other, Mr. Crump has already separated from his wife, late^ Annie Hargreaves, Hill Farm. I he truth will out sooner or later, have patience,' The second read: Mr. Crump, who was lately married at Mold, has for some reason already parted from his wife, late Annie Hargreaves, of Hill Farm, near Mold. °"RS yuly» NEMO.' The only construction to be placed upon such letters was that he desired to convey an innuendo reflecting upon complainant. Defendant 4v as one of those gentlemen who walked about and thought they could get their living by keeping their hands in their pockets. In answer to a request from his wife that he should earn a living, he said it was only fools'who worked. He thought the ability of the defendant to work would be amply proved. His letters showed that he had received a good education, which ought to place him in a position of earning at least £ 2 a week. Plaintiff was then called, and having cor- roborated the opening statement, added that she found that the defendant's banking accounts only amounted to JE3, and that he had not been in a situation for six years. She stayed with him for about three weeks, and then got a situation for a month before going back home. Miss Crump (defendant's sister) told her that she must go, as she could not support her. She told defendant, and he said he could not find a home for her. She must go. Mr. Shakespeare (to defendant): You admit deserting her, do you? Defendant: No, sir. Do you admit not finding her a home ? Yes. Well, that is deserting her, you know. You admit that she was obliged to leave the house? She was not obliged to leave; she was not turned out. But advised that she could not stay ? That my sister could not support her or any one else. And you admit that you had no means to support her? Yes. And you don't want to live with her? I do want to live with her. Well, how are you going to keep her? When I have the means to support her I will do so. Are you prepared to take her to-day and find her a home? I have no means to support her. And you were in the same position when you married her ? Yes. Well, why did you marry her ? I must have been led away by mv feelings (laughter). Mr. Stringer I think the word failings would better describe the position. Mr. Shakespeare: Yott,adii-it you did wrong to marry her? I admit it was not a wise course to pursue. Mr. Lees: Were you ever employed at Tan- gye's? Defendant: No. Mr. Shakespeare. Then 111 these statements were untrue. About the £20,000 a year ? I never made such a statement. Mr. Shakespeare: What about the substantial wedding present? I eannot account for that. Mr. Shakespeare: Have you anything else to say ? Defendant: I can say no more than that I was quite carried away by my feelings and did not know what I was about. If I could pro- cure employment. Mr. Lees: Why don't you try! Mr. Shakespeare: What is your business? I have never been in any business because of ill health. Mr. Shakespeare: How do you live? My father and sister have kept me. Mr. Jeffery: He never tries to get work, and never will. Mr. Lees: It would be difficult for us to be carried away by our feelings in expressing our contempt for a man who compelled his wife to make such an application. We think you are a heartless scoundrel. It is impossible to charac- terise your conduct in anything like moderate terms. We shall make an order that your wife will no longer be bound to cohabit with you, and you will have to make a payment of 10s. per week towards her maintenance, and that you pay the whole of the costs, including her solicitor's fee. Defendant asked for time to pay, and again said he had no means. Mr. Lees: Well, wheel a barrow. You'll get £1 a week at that, and it will do you good. Defendant: I ha ve my physical health to consider.

THE BOROUGH ROADS. TO THE EDITOR OF "THE NORTH WALES TLAfES. SIR, THE indent shameful condition of Lhe Denbigh Borough roads has upon many previous occas- sions called forth the wail of the long-suffering tradesmen of the town, and last week a con- temporary contained a letter signed Trades- man' again asking why the Corporation do not better the condition of the roads by re- solving upon the plan proposed by Capt,ain Wynne Edwards. At a Council long ago another Conservative, (Mr. Turnour), proposed snch an amendment in the roads, and it would appear that the Tories are the progressive mem- bers of the Council. It is of course very hard to propose that a local industry should be abandoned and stone should be purchased from a distant quarry, but what are the ratepayers in general to do—they cannot sink all comfort for the sake of a so-called local enterprize, which sorely lacks enterprize of any descrip- tion. There is so doubt but what there is much harder stone at the Graig quarry than that at present worked, which is merely surface stuff at which the weather has done its work; but down below, surely, there is harder material, and if the owners will not work it, but expect and find a Corporation willing to use it, they would be foolish to try another and lower seam. The time has arrived when the Coun- cil should consider the townspeople and not subordinate their wishes to other considerations. They ought to purchase stone that will lapt and wear on the thoroughfares of the borough. The matter affects all townspeople alike, there is not a shop-keeper but suffers the loss of much property by that everlasting mud and omnipre- sent dust soiling, damaging, and making his goods inferior. Every cottager in the town who has the least bit of front garden has it whitewashed aitnually to his great annoyance with great clouds of lime-stone dust. No sooner do people paint their establishments than they are covered with burning, disfiguring lime-stone, turned into lime-wash by the action of the rain. It affects the gentry of the neigh- bourhood, for no colour on carriages, besides yellow,l am told, will stand but for a very shoit time the on-slaught of lime-stone mud or dust, and yet year by year we go on paying for that which destroys. The condition of our roads at time of writing is such that it makes cycling out of the question, and therefore injures the trade of the town, just as the blinding dust de- stroys all comfort in riding or driving in the summer time. In winter a little army of men are employed coating the roads with stone, and shortly scraping it off in mud, provided the school boys do not throw the stones over into the adjoining fields, where they are picked up by the farmers and sold again to the Corpora- tion, and the Council may justjas well put loaf sugar on the streets. In the summer we pay heaps of money to make mud by sending the water cart around, but of course it never comes round until shop goods, paint, aad people are covered with dust, and rain is about to fall, be- I cause wllld generally rises before a fall of rain. The ratepayers generally want a harder stone, that is worth while putting down. Can any local quarry supply it ? If not, some other stone should be purchased. It is not the fault of the surveyor, ike has nothing to do with the quality I of the stone, but purchases it where ordered; his duty extends only to the putting of it on, scraping it up, damping it down, or buying it j back again from the farmers. He cannot make good roads with stuff similar to loaf sugar, nor can he without implements make passable streets, therefore why not purchase a horse broom and have the streets properly swept alter the sho^s clos»e on a Saturday night, and a steam roller that the making of the roads might go on all the year round? I am aware that the first cost of a steam roller is not great, but the maintenance is heavy but I'm pursua- ded that it could be hired both to the County and Parish Councils in the neighbourhood, and would pay for the outlay, besides making roads that would tempt the cyclist into the district and keep the mansions of the Vale occupied. Most tradespeople know the value of the DyffrynAled andGlan-y wern establishments to the town and yet the roads from town there are decorated with deep mud making a journey to town a misery. People will not stay in localities where deep ruts are permitted to ex- ist on the roads, and if the Council has the town and trade of Denbigh at heart they will improve the thoroughfares to the town by supplying proper implements and materials to construct and maintain the roads in proper order, that the old town might be famous for the excellency of its roads. Tf the dust could be got rid of the trees (long ago proposed) could be planted in the streets and open spaces transforming refuse heaps into picturesque plantations, with flourishing shrubbery and graceful trees, for depend upon it, sir, if our town is to be kept to the front as a holi- day resort we must make it attractive by planting trees, attending to. the roads and walks and making proper crossings, there by in- ducing people to live in the vicinity. Yours faithfully, COUSIN TITUS. -0_

RUABON TEMPERANCE COUNCIL AND SUNDAY CLOSING. -r. AT a ecial conference of the Iluabon Dis- trict temperance Council, held on Friday night at Ruabon, under the presidency of the Rev. E: M. Edmunds, the following re- solution was unanimously passed:— 'That we express our satisfaction at the reintroduction by Mr. Herbert Roberts, M.P., of the Welsh Sunday Closing Amendment Bill, and, since the bill practically embodies the recommendations of the Royal Commis- sion appointed by a Conservative Govern- ment in 1888 to inquire into the operations of the Act, we earnestly appeal to the Go- vernment to grant facilities for passing the bill into law during the present session of Parliament.'

Th3, obituary of 1896 covers 158 titles--16 Peers, 19 Peeresses, 1 Archbishop, 29 Baronets, 53 Knights, and 40 Companions. Cambridge University- Yorkf Prize not awarded Thirlwall Prize won by G, P. Gooch B. A. (Trinity); Brotherton Sanskrit Prize won by L. D. Barnet, B.A. (Trinity). The Bishop Designate of Peterborough, and Lady Mary Glyn have left the Vicarage, Ken- sington, for Costebelle, near Hyeres. The new bishop is to be consecrated on the 24th.

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ings of the present school being conducted in private. At all the schools in the county, the proceedings of the Governing Bodies were car- ried on in public. Further, the administration was practically in the hand of one sect, and that sect dominated by a gentleman who was then present. The arrangement was open to grave objections and speaking for himself, he would never send a child of his there. He would send him fifty miles away first. He was only ex- pressing the feelings of a large number of Non- conformists (hear, hear). The Warden said his contention was, that the Ruthin school was practically in a different position to the Intermediate Schools, which drew their resources partly from Government Grant and partly from the rates; and he there- fore said that in schools of the position of the Ruthin school, the meetings of the governors or trustees were always held in private. Many delicate questions might arise from time to time, and it was desirable that they should be discussed in private. He did not think the question had been discussed by the Governors, and he could only give his views as the chair- man. It had been said that there was only 'two Nonconformists on the Board of Governors, but there were three. The Mayor: One of the three always goes with the majority. The Warden Never mind; he is a Noncon- formist. I am speaking facts, and that is quite sufficient for the Nonconformists to see that no wrong is dose to the children of Nonconfor- mists. At the meeting of the Grammar School Governors, I asked the three Nonconformist gentlemen then present if they had anything to complain of as regard the administration of the school from a religious point of view. They said No, we have no complaint to make what- ever.' The only remark they made was that the Nonconformists were not sufficiently repre- sented. Now the Assistant Commissioners has told us that this is a Church School with a Con- science Clause. If that is a correct description of the school, I contend that it is not at all unreasonable that the majority of the Govern- ors should be members of the Church of Eng- land. I further wish to say that the school wax founded by a Dean of the Church, the next benefactor was a bishop, and the third bene- factor, 100 years ago, was a clergyman, and in j resuscitating the school, out of the £ 3,300 sub scribed for the new building fund, £ 3,000 was subscribed by Churchmen, who subscribed the never contemplating that the Welsh Act would come into existence, or that any attempt would be made to bring the school ander the sphere of the Welsh Act; but that it would be conducted upon liberal principles as a Church School, while at the same time, the children of Nonconformists should not be instructed in the principles of the Church of England. At the present time, as a matter of fact, there is a son of at least one Nonconformist minister in the school. He is allowed to go to chapel on Sunday, and is, Hot instructed in any of the principles of the Church of England. Besides this boy, there are children of other Nonconformists, and full liberty is givsn them to attend chapels on Sun- day. In faet, the schoel is conducted in the most fair and liberal manner so much so, that yesterday I challenged the Nonconformists pre- sent to raise any objection whatever aa to the administration of the school, and they could not do so. I contend, in addition to that, that the report of the Oxford and Cambridge Board, although the school was examined upon a higher standard than is usually applied to the Inter- mediate Scchools, is admirable. Therefore, I think my friends the Nonionf ormists-I believe I have some friends among them—have no ground of complaint from a religious point of view in regard to Ruthin School. Miss Gee: What is the proportion of Non- conformists on the Governing Bodv ? The Warden Fifteen is the whole number. Miss Gee One of the three is a Conservative Nonconformist. The Warden I cannot answer for any man's politics. Mr. Powell; No Nonconformist has ever been elected a co-optative Governor. The Chairman said they had cause to com- plain of the way in which they had been trea- ted in connection with this matter. They had proceeded all along with the entire approval of the iCharity Commissioners, and then the Ruthin Grammar School was thrown out ef the scheme by the House of Lords. The Warden now complained of their action, although really we included the Grammar School, because they had a right to take hold of it, for the reason that the Governors of that school themselves placed it in a position which ap- peared contrary to the intention of the old deed, and they therefore ought to submit to the consequences of their own action. The Joint Education Committee did all they could to meet the wishes of the Ruthin Gram- mar School as represented by the Warden, but no manner of conditions could be arrived at which would be satisfactory to both sides, and he thought it was an unnecessary loss of time: to deil-with tiis question as to what was, and what is, and what might be in the future. If they remained there until Christmas, they .would not beone inch nearer its solution. Mr. Powell: Concession after concession was made, and the Warden accepted them at the time with very great gratitude. The Warden: No, no. The Commissioner The Warden disclaims gratitude. Proceeding, the Commissioner said that the objections to the administration of the Grammar School, which he had so far heard, were rather general than particular. They did not mean to say that under its own scheme the Grammar School was badly conducted. The Chairman We say nothing upon this question at all. What we do say is, that we have a right to an Intermediate School at Ruthin-and we claim our right. The Commissioner said that under his in- structions he must ask them whether they com- plained of the admistration of the Grammar School. It had been suggested to him that there was one ground of complaint, viz., that the Governing Body did not fairly represent all the persons interested in education in the dis- trict. He accepted that. The only other ob. jection he had heard was a general one made by the chairman, viz., that the Nonconformists were not satisfied with any form of adminis- tration which would at all resemble that of the existing Grammar School. That he took to be a general objection. It did not apply to this school in particular it was a general objection to the system. The Chairman Another objection is, that the Head Master must be a clergyman. The Commissioner: YeE. 10 Mr. Powell: Speaking educationally, what we contend is this, that justice will never be done from an educational standpoint in Ruthin until the School Governing Body is placed upon a broad basis. Where the Governing Body is established on a broad basis, you will tind the members going up by leaps and bounds, as has been the case at Wrexham. The Warden That means that Nonconform- ist gentlemen keep their boys away to make complaints. The Commissioner: In that sense, the exist- ing Grammar School does not command the confidence of those who give their sons a first grade education. It has been suggested to me that the difficulty is in keeping up a first grade character; and it has been also suggested, that the increase at Wrexham has been in pupils who are not competent to obtain a first grade education. The Mayor said the Warden had referred to what had occurred on the previous day at a private meeting, and he (the Mayor) did not think that what he said should be allowed to pass and leave a false impression with regard to the Nonconformist gentlemen upon that body, and to whom he gave a challenge as to whether they knew of any defects in the man- agement of the school. He went fully into the question before the Commissioner on the pre- vious day; and, for that reason, be had so far refrained from speaking at the conference. As a Governor of 15 years standing in connection with the Grammar School, he would say that, generally speaking, he had been very well satisfied indeed but that arose almost entirely from the fact that they had a good and wise headmaster—a man who had not taken advan- tage of the poy/ers which he had under the j jseheme to cause an inequality between the boys ] of different religious denominations in the dis- I trict. He had never done so, to his knowledge. But there were two main objections which Nonconformists had: and until these were removed, Nonconformists in the district would never be satisfied. The Grammar School, al- though conducted liberally and well now, was a Denominational School; and a master could be appointed at any time who might cause the school to become really burdensome to a large proportion on the community. The other, and he believed, the main question now was, as to the management. As had been already said, there were 15 Governors and out of that num- ber, only two really represented the Noncon- formists of the district. He should like it to be clearly understood that the Nonconformists of the district had no enmity to the Grammar School-they were proud of the School as such, and would rather see that School under liberal management—a management that the Noncon- formists as part of the community could feel confidence in, than have another school estab- lished in Ruthin, which might never become, perhaps, a very efficient school, and would dimmish very much the success of the present school. That would mean two inefficient schools as against one efficient and successful school. The Nonconformists would be very well satisfied, in his opinion, with the Grammar School, provided the Charity Commissioners could devise some means of revising the scheme under which the Grammar School could be placed under a thoroughly popular Governing Body. He thought that would go very far to- wards satisfying the requirements of the Non- conformists of the district. He did fully be- lieve-and he thought he knew the feelings of the Nonconformists—that if they were refused a new school, and if no change was made in the management of the Grammar School, the con- sequence would be that the Nonconformists who had hitherto sent their children to the School, would send them to other parts of the county. And, therefore, they, as Nonconfor- mists, would lose the advantages of a higher education now within their reach, and the town would lose, financially speaking, the ad- vantages of the grant which were now secured to them. The Chairman: Are you willing that the school should continue as a Church School? The Mayor Certainly not. The Commissioner But, leaving the scheme exactly as it is, in every other respect, a Church school with a conscience clause, would the Nonconformists be satisfied if a popular governing body was formed? I think you suggested yesterday, that that would go a can- siderable way towards satisfying them. The Mayor: That is what I said yestex day. Mr. Powell: I have no doubt it would go a considerable distance. The Chairman Are we to understand that you, Mr. Mayor, say that the Nonconformists of this district would be satisfied with this school as a Church school under any form of management ? The Mayor I say it would go a considerable distance towards removing their opposition. The Commissioner: What you mean is that there would still be considerable disatisfaction; but that it would, not be so acute. That you want this school under the Welsh Act; but that, if you cannot get it, you are prepared to accept the existing Grammar School with a modified governing body. The Chairman No, certainly not. I The Commissioner said he must ask the chairman to be good enough to allow him to put his question to the Mayor. It was a point to which he attributed some importance, if they would allow him to say so, and he also set same value upon the Mayor's opinion. The Mayor said he certainly should not be satisfied without the removal of the Conscience Clause, and the making the school a thoroughly undenominational one. He wished to say then no more and no less than he said the previous day namely, thab the bringing of the school under a thorough popularly constituted gov- erning body, where every section of the com- munity would have fair representation, would go a long way towards, removing the objec- tion. The Commissioner: You would prefer that to the establishment f the two boys' schools. The Chairman intervened, and objected to the manner he had put the question. The Commissioner, addressing the chairman, said It is a question of compromise, and what you would prefer. Everybody knows that to have two schools facing each other on the opposite sides of the way would be a waste of educational endowments. Still it may be essential, although I imagine that all parties would regret it. The Chairman said that he knew the district as well as any man in the place, and he would venture to tell the Commissioner that the dis- I trict would not be satisfied with a Church school with a Conscience Clause. They had the same objection to Church School with a Conscience Clause as they had to a National School in elementary education. What they wanted in connection with Intermediate Education, was schools with the management elected upon the same broad basis as the school boards. The Commissioner said he wished to put his question to the Mayor. He admitted that the chairman had considerable right to speak for the district, and he weuld take note of what he said. But it was a practical question that he was putting to the Mayor, and he was perfectly willing to put it to anybody else. He assumed, for the sake of the question, that there would be great disadvantages attaching to either aspect of it; and he wished to know whether the Mayor would prefer to have the two schools competing with one another, or the present school with a modified governing body ? The Mayor said he should prefer the two schools unless they could have the Grammar School converted into a thoroughly public school, in addition to the modification of the governing body. The Chairman Unless it is an undenomina- tional school. The Commissioner I did not understand you yesterday, in that case. The Commissioner then, at the request of the chairman, put the same question to each of the other gentlemen present. Mr. Henry Williams said he did not think the Nonconformists would agree to the pre- sent school unless it were made entirely unde- nominational. He would prefer the two schools otherwise-they would then have one Unden- ominational School in the district. Mr. T. H. Roberts said that he believed the two schools would be suicidal in Ruthin. It was not what they wanted, but what they were likely to get. The Rev. Issac James said that he felt con- siderable attachment to the present grammar school, and its headmaster. He had had a boy there nearly four years, and he had no particular complaint to make. But after all, he must be consistent with his principles- and it was a Church School. He regarded them as accountable to future generations, in what they did that day. As the Mayor had said, the government of the school might not be always the same, and the governors of the school, and the headmaster could not be always the same and to be consistent with his principles he must speak for a school under popular control. Mr. R. Harris Jones and Mr. Jones (Llanbedr Farm), said they too were also for the new school unless they could have the Grammar school under the scheme. s Dr. Medwyn Hughes, who had re-entered the room a little before he was questioned, said he would prefer to see the grammar school im- proved. The Chairman Not as a Church School ? If to, it would remain a Church School. Dr. Hughes said he would be satisfied with the present school under its present scheme, if there. could be sufficient guarantees that the school would not be made more of a Church school than at present, as the Warden had promised to do, and the governing body could be popularised. Dr. Hughes was further questioned, by the Commissioner, and by members present, and he said the difficulty was the religious one. He II should be quite satisfied with th present school if he had sufficient security that the I school would not be conducted otherwise than j as at present, and if the governing body were placed upon a thoroughly representative basis. His reason for that was because he felt the disadvantage of having the two schools. Mr. Powell asked if Dr. Hughes agreed to the school being continued as a Church School worked with a Conscience Clause ? Dr. Hughes said he should object to the pro- vision that the headmaster was to be a clergy- man. The Warden said that was not at all neces- sary now. Dr. Hughes then reiterated his previous statement as to preferring the improved gram- mar school with the proviso already noted. The Chairman: Would you agree to its being continued as a Church School? The Commissioner said he must put the question fairly to Dr. Hughes, and ask him kindly to answer. He regarded the question as an important one, and he attached impor- tance to Dr. Hughes' reply, seeing that he was one of the governors. It was true that the school might be described as a Church School worked under a Conscience Clause, but if he were asked to convert the proposition he would do so, and say that, because there was a Conscience Clause, the school was not a Church school. He did not wish to take advantage of Dr. Hughes. He took Dr. Hughes' statement the previous day at the meeting of the Gram- mar school governors, and if Dr. Hughes desired to give a different opinion now to what he did then, he was quite prepared to accept it. Dr. Hughes said the commissioner had men- tioned exactly his point. He did not regard the school at all as a Church one, pure and simple for, if so, why should the chairman of the governors have been saying all along that it was his intention to revert strictly to the teaching of the Church of England, to make the school a strictly Church of England one. The Commissioner said that was not so at the present time. The Mayor said that Dr. Hughes was but a new member of the Grammar School governing body, and perhaps- Dr. Hughes I have considered the question and I know exactly what I am saying. The Chairman said the whole of the district would never be contented with the school as a Church school. The Warden asked whether it might be assumed that there was no hope of anything short of the absolute establishment of the nonsectarian character of the school being satisfactory to the Nonconformits, and he was answered with cries of No.' Now,' he then said, 'we know where we are.' Mr. Harrison Jones* of Denbigh, appealed to the Warden personally to use his influence with the governors of the grammar school to allow the school to come under the scheme. He thought that such an act would be received with gratitude by the entire country, and would help to smooth over many unpleasant- nesses. It would be a noble and creditable action on the part of the Church party, which would do that party great good in the coun- try. The Chairman said that every eSort to meet the wishes of the Grammar School Governors had been made, and they had even visited the Bishop of St. Asaph on two occasions with that object. But there was no prospect of satisfactory j terms being agreed to. They could not afford to lose any more time over it, and they must proceed with the school as now proposed. The new school would certainly succeed and they would find that it would succeed at the expense of the Grammar School; and in the course of a few years, the friends of the latter would be very sorry that they had not accepted the olive branch. He was as anxious as any man to see the Grammar School brought under the scheme, but it was impossible. The Warden said he would ask the Noncon- formists if they could justly expect the Gover- nors of the Grammar School to throw open their doors to the Nonconformists when the latter closed their portals so rigidly against them. The School Governors of the Ruthin districts numbered 18; and of that number, only three were Churchmen, namely, the Bishop of St. Asaph, Mr. Reece, and himself. If they had reciprocated the feeling in favour of making the governing body more representative, there might have been a more conciliatory feeling all round. He should report the appeal of Mr. Harrison Jones in due course to the Gover-s nors. Mr. Selby-Bigge said that a question as to how one body in the district treated another might be one of importance to themselves, but it was not one which co.uld affect tke Commis- sioners, and it was not a subject upon which he could report. Miss Gee said that the proportion of Church. men upon the local governing body, aa mention- ed by the Warden, bore an exact proportion to the number of Churchmen in the population. The population of Wales was in the proportion of one Churchman to fi Ire Nonconformists. The Warden expressed his dissent with that statement. The Commissioner said that, considering that both schemes took no notioe of religious differences, he did not see that he could report upon them. Mr. Powell said that under the revised scheme the Grammar School would practically have been left in the hands of the existing go. verning body for twenty years. If that was not meeting the other side, he did not know what could be. He wished to ask the Commissioners for his interpretation of the clause in the scheme which said that the County Schools mentioned in the fourth schedule shall be es- tablished and maintained as soon as conve- niently may be. The Commissioner said he could not answer that question. They must put it to the com- missioners. He thanked them for their atten- dance, and for the assistance they Iliad given him, and he declared the inquiry at an end.