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Carmarthenshire Education Com- mittee. MONTHLY MEETING AT THE COUNTY OFFICES. The monthly mteting of the Carmarthen- shire Education Committee w,as held at the county Offices on Thursday the 10th inst. There were present: Mr John Lloyd, Peny- Ibank (chairman); Mrs Lloyd, Peuyhank; Mr., H. Joiies-Davies, Glyneiddan; Rev J. H Rees, Pemibrey; Rev Prof essor D. E. Jo;ie Carmarthen; Rev R. H. Jones, Llanp,en- deirne; Mr Dd. Daivies, Rhiblyd Mr David I Evans, Manordaf; Mr T. Barrott, Glyn wails; Mr J. H. Thomas, Penrhos-uc Imf; Mr John Johns, Parceithin; together with the Clerk (Mr J. W. Nicholas); the Educational Clerk (iMr Gaunt); the Architect (Mr W. 'Vincent Morgan); and the Supt. Aattendance Officea (Mr Joseph Morgan). EDUCATIONAL CHARITIES. A letter was read from the Board of Educa- tion stating that the question whether tilt GoldtVap Foundation, Llangendeirne, v ai subject to Seotiom 7 of the Endowments Act of 1873, was one mainly of law. The Board were unable to regard the prevision th,-tt the] cu/rate of the parish should be the first .school- master of the fouiidation as not being a pro- vision that the principal teach ot sluih be a member of a particular denoteination. There was a sum of £916 12s now held in trust for the benefit of the parish. The Clerk said that he had m writing to the Board contended that the appointment df the curate of the pari-sh as the first school- master did not permanently associate the school with the tenets of a particular reli- gious belief. He tried to say that the curate was not made a teacher because he was curate of the parish and an cfficer of the Church of England1, but "because he was an officiial in the district who might be available for the purpose. That was the argument which he bad tried j make; it was an argu- ment not without weight; but it had tlO1 been accepted Jby the Board. A letter was also 'read with respect to the status of Vaughan's Charity School, Llan- gunnock. The Board stated that if a per- sonal interview were desired, they would in- struct an officer in the legal branch to see the Cltrk. The whole facts as to the history of the foundation had been before the Board and they had disclosed no legal for altering the order; and it did not appear to them that any useful purpose would be served by the hoMing of a public enquiry. The Clerk: If they were disposed to go into the facts they might very easily do what his authority has asked for. Apparently they a,re mot disposed to do it. Mr John Johns said tliait this waR the result of the new secretary of the "Welsh De- partment that they were suffering from. He would not do anything in favour of Noncon- formists to have religious teaching in their echoote. The facts were not all before the Board when they made the Order. They thought that the majority of the parents belonged to the Church of England. Only three or four as a matter of fact belonged tc the Church of EngLand. It was within the power off the Board to vary the Order; but they would not do it. Professor Jones: Yon blame the Clerk. Mr John Johns: I Wiame the Secretary. Professor Jones: Iff you move that he be sacked. I will second it. Mr John Joh"s moved that the Clerk (Mr Nicholas) interview the Board. The Rev R. H. Jones seconded the pro- posal. Mr W. F. D. Saunders also wrote with reference to the Goldfrap Charity, Llangen- deirne. He did not think that the Rev R. H. Jones had made any wilful mis-statement; but he had made some statements which were not correct. He stated that the amount in hand was £ 625, whereas it was £ 903 12s 9d. Mr Jones had also made a remark which in- ferred that part of the funds had been used for some purpose not connected with the charity. He was sure that Mr Jones would withdraw this statement and that the press would give as much prominence to it as to the statement. When the school was started in 1874 there was no school-house in the parish. The school was held in part of the church, and the children were taught by the Vicar. That wias possibly why the Board of Education had come to the decision they did, and this was strengthened by the judgment given in the Carmarthen County Court in 1860, when the perpetual curate and the churchwarden were appointed trustees of the charity. The Rev R. H. Jones said: In speaking in regard to this charity a month ago I said we should enquire what the present amount of the endowment wtas, as it must have accumulated since 1894 unless it had been diverted to some other purpose. The last sentence was perhaps rather an unfortunate one, and has been fastened upon as a. mis- statement calculated to mislead the Com- mittee. It was no statement but an hypo- thesis. What I had in my mind was the fact that many charities have somehow or another become lost, and the words were not meant aa a. reflection on anybody. I knew the money was in the hands of the Charity Com- missioners, and my excuse for thinking the endowment had not grown was that in the draft of the new scheme for its management the schedule is given of the amount, the same as it was in 1894, with a note under- neath. "This schedule is brought up to date 1909." Since then the Vicar of Llangendeirne has shown the returns that were annually sent to the trustees under the old scheme by the Commissioners, and we know from the reply of the Boa'rd of Education that the present amount is L916 12s. Then as to the management of the endowment in future. I pleaded that as the end the testatrix had in view—the free education of the poor chil- dren in Llangendeirne parish in the 3 R's— has been attained by other means than she provided, and the task she entrusted to the old trustees has been undertaken by this body, and that a change is to be made in the management of the foundation, this com- mittee should hlave a larger representation under the new scheme, or that the trustees should be more truly representative of the ratepayers at large. The order of the Car- marthen County Court in 1860 has been annul led. for the charity has since then passed into the hands of the Charity Com- missioners pending the establishment a new scheme for its management. In 189.1 a scheme was drafted, in which it was proposed the trustees should be nine, of whom the re- presentative of the district on the County Council should ex-officio be one; the Llangen- deirne Parish Council were to elect five; the managers of the County Schools, one; and two were to be co-opted. This scheme, some- how, fell through, and was extreme maybe in one direction; while the scheme offered now is extreme in the other. Being a man of peace I would prefer to see the endowment used under any management whatsoever than that it should be idle; but while the one party fights for its lost privileges, I believe, that as representatives of the ratepayers, we should stand firm for their rights. Mr John Johns said that the Education Act of 1902 directly said that all educational endowments belonged t,o the tna,tepayers of the parish and were to be looked after by the County Council. This belonged to the ratepayers of the parish why should a parti- cu!tar denumination la-pipoint the man-agors of a school which ought to belong to the rate- payers. It was decided to ask the Clerk to inter- view the representative of the Boa;rd on these two questions. SUPPORTING HOME INDUSTRIES. The Swnasea. Blind Institute asked the Committee to buy coir mats for their schools. se Unless the Institute was a.ble to dispose of the good, they made, it would be impossible to carrv on the woik. Mr H. Jones-Davies: I move that we give them a trial and support home industries. This was agreed to. JOINT SCHOOLS. The Board of Education sent a. letter in which they said that there were objections to the Working of joint County Schools under two different schemes. Probably Cardigan- shire would agree to the LWdvssul sehocil being carried on uiidei- the Cardiganshire scheme and the Carmarthenshire County Council paying a certain sum towards its maintenance. Professor Jones: we are not prepared to hand it over and simiyxly pay the monev. Mr John Johns: We want representation as well as taxation. Professor Jonec I do nnt see that there is the slightest difficulty. Ll.indyssul j" gov- erned by this joint committee entirely inde- pendent of this Committee. Mr David Evans said that he presumed it would be a question of interpretation under which scheme they would have to consider it. Mrs Lloyd moved that a committee of seven be appointed to meet Mr Casson, the repre- sentative of the Board, on the subject. GOOD MEN NOT TO BE PENALISED. Mr Roblin, a teacher at the Llanelly P.T. centre, applied for an increase of his salary of £löO. Mr Lloyd" in moving that an increase of tlO Je grunted, said thait it was very galling to him tu find juniors when they had been there a year or two getting as much as he did or more. Mr John Johns seconded. Mr J. R. James said that the centre would cease in. July. It was not worth while giving "Jr Robin an increase now. Rev R. H Jones, in supporting the in- crease said that if it were granted Mr Robin would stand a better chance of being dealt with fairly t* hen the centre came to an end. Rev J. H. Rees said that Mr Robin was one of the Lest teachers they had had in Lianelly, and if anyone deserved an increase | Mr Robin did. Mr John Johns: We should not penalise good men I)e(-a,use"they live in Llanelly. Mr H. Joues-Davies said that they should j have further particulars, and he suggested the appointment of a committee. <=> It was agreed to grant the increase. BURSARIES. The Lla nelly managers applied for a further arant. as they were unfaible to grant lbuisaries >nt of the present funds. The Rev J. H. Rees said that the funds which tvere quite sufficient when there were tOo children at the Intermediate School were i is efficient when there were 400 or 500 chil- dren. The managers had done their best at the last meeting; they had decided that they would be more stringent in the future. The funds were insufficient now, and the proba- I bility was that they would increase still further. Professor Jones: That applies to all the schools of the county. Rev J. E. Rees: Not to the same extent. Professor Jones said it would apply to others to the same extent. Mr H. Joues-Davies said that the mana- gers should liook to the manner in which they distributed the money, and not be so lavish. Mr John Tohnis, said that in his opinion there was too much given away in bursaries; they were notavaiaible for the very poor. Well-to-do people got them; if they wanted to distribute them more they should give less to each. Mr David Evans said that it was the same it all the schools; their cry was like the horse leech "More, more." NO MORE P.T.'S. In the course of a discussion on staffiing, the Clerk said that they had decided not to appoint any more P.T.'s. The Chairman said that they were over- supplied with teachers. It was a, greater kindness not to apprentice them. Mr David Evans said that some County Committees sent letters to the Training Colleges stating that there were no vacan- cies, and that it was useless for the students to apply. AN APPOINTMENT. There were seveml applic-ants for the post of headmaster at Ggwynfe, but Mr John Arthur Johns, of Aberhargoed, was unani- mously appointed. Mr John Johns said that his name was a sufficient recommendation. Mr H. Jones-Davies said that if the Arthur were struck out, it would be better still.

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