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Carmarthenshire County Couuc 1. I THE GRIE-N'ANCES OF VOLUNTARY SCHOOLS-THREATS FROM WHITEHALL. THE ATTENDANCE OFFICER QUESTION SETTLED. ROWDY PROCEEDINGS—LIVELY SCENES. The adjourned meeting of the Carmarthen- shire County Council was held at the Carmar- then Townhull, on Friday, at 12.15 p.m. Mr J. W. G wynne Hughes, Tregeyb (ohairmail, of the Council) presided. There were also pre- sent: Mr R. W. Stephens, Ooedybrain; Mr W. Jenkins, Alltycadno; Mr W. 1ST. Jones, Tirydail Mr Bo wen, Nantyrolchfa Mr Jo&. Joseph, Llangennech Mr John Ltivis, Metros Hall; Mr T. F. Jones, Caio; Mr J. Llew. Thomas, Pontardulais; Mr C. E. Morris, Car- marthen; Mr Mouse, Ltandawke Mr J. B. .tvees, Llan'genneah; Mr D. Davies, Llangen- neei Mr W. Mabon Davies, Glansawdde; Mr Barrett, Cross Vale; Mr 7L F. Wilkins, riy Port Mr John Rees, Dolgwm; Mr arnei Stephens,; Mr H J ones-Da vies, Tn^ Q n; Mr w- Griffiths, Llaiiolly; Mr „ 11 ocourficld, Blaenwernddu Mr J. Llyod ■uiomas Tanlan- Rev W. Davies, Llandilo; p„n t': ThomaK, Llanfynydd Mr J. Lloyd, nybank; Mr James xtees, Talgarth; Mr J. eavan. Llansadwrn; Rev Professor D. E. ones. Carinartlien Rev J. H. Rees, Burry -r-°r, Lieut.-Gen. Sir James Hills-Johnes, P T 'C B.. DolaUcothi:; Mr John Johns, TV'|lrCn^ .Mr James John, Carmarthen; \v. David, Llanellv Sir James Drum- mond, Bt., Edwinsford; together with the Clerk (Mr J. W. Nicholas). THE BOARD OF EDUCATION THREA- TENS THE COUNCIL. Professor Jones (chairman of the Education Committee) said that before he moved the adoption of the report of the Education Com- mittee, lie would call their atteiitio-n to the fact that certain matters had been, referred by the Committee to the Council for their instructions. He believed there was a letter from the Board of Education asking what steps the Council were taking to maintain and keep efficient the Newcastle Emlyn Nat. echool Perhaps it wouldl be well to deal with that first. He understood that there were several letters from the Board of Educa- *on > fi-e'did not know whether the Council would deal with them all at the same time. 1 Clerk said that he had received several 'letters from the Board of Education enclosing complaints from the correspondents of the various schools. He had replied stating that the Council had decidedl- to pay each quarter to the mtlpagers of the non-provided schools only to much grant as was received in respect of that school during the, quarter. He hadi received the following letter — Board of Education, Whitehall, London, S.W., 1st Februar 1904. County Council of Carmarthenshire. Z. 03/346. Sir,—I am directed by the Board of Educa- cation to call the attention of your Council to the letters addressed respectively by the Board to your Council with regard to the following schools CWewm Church School (fetter of 13th Nov.). i-remoilet Memorial Nat. School (Nov 12th). Golden Grove Nat, School (Nave. 18th). Nat, School (November 11th). Rhi 01' Nat- School (Nov. 18th). Khandyn^-yn Nat_ gchool (Nov. 12th). LnS ^t1 Najt- School (Jan, 26th). Mii!i'VnVNat- School (Nov. 12th). PWK \at* School (Nov. 17th). Cf rr7 Nat, School (January 26th). »t. Clears Nat, School (Nov. 11th). IQ^A am afSl° advert to your Council's letter iqn^eSKe<j Board on 13th November, pt to the letters addressed to your «niiUn? t5l:e with regard to the nine letter men^oned in your Council's said recLfwfif0 enc,l°se copies of further letters tm-ir u Board from managers of volun ■y schools in the area of your Council, he above correspondence aipnears to uggest that your Council ihave in many cases refused or failed— (1) to provide voluntary schools with fuel iand other articles necessary for their main- tenance, or to pay teachers salaries a,s they fall due, or to furnish money sufficient for these purposes; (2) to give managers of voluntary schools necessary directions for carrying on the secular instruction under the' control of your Council; (3) to appoint a, person to represent your Council upon the body of managers of a voluntary school. The Board observe that such conduct would violate the provisions of Sections 6 (2) and 7 (1) of the: Education Act, 1903, and would constitute a very serious situation. I am, therefore, to request that your Council will give the subject of this letter their earnest consideration and will return an early answer to the Board. In the meantime the Board regret that they must now contemplate the necessity of an in- quiry into the interests complained of. I have the honour to he. Sir, Your obedient Servant, (Signed) H. M. SINDSIK. (Enclosure.) The Vicarage, St. Clears, » 1. South Wales, Jan. 11, 1904. Carinfaii-theinshirei County Council. Z W n earS ^aticmal School. ounty of Carmarthen. 24694. i>ear Sir —On know what'w managers are anxious to matters, of +i5 are do concerning school land ^ys that JU"cture; The law of the camn'nnr ii 0U1 financial responsibilities i* WQ'g! °n the s:ch°o1 ended on the 1st Oct, inml^r made our arraoigemients' accord- giy: but the Carmarthenshire County council seems to be superior to, and beyond the reach of that law, and we are now in a worse position than, before. We have to pay a County -Education Rate which is avowedly to bei used contrary to the law, and so we have to sujpjport a Council to do what is illegal. Teachers' salaries for three months were due on December 31st last, and are not yet paid. Books, etc., are also required for the ordinary work of the School. The managers have no money in band to meet these inde- gpensable expenses, while the Local Education Authority, the party responsible- ia-ecording to law, refuses to pay. Therefore we beg to ask your advice as to our best course of action re Teachers' salaries and school requisites. I am, Deuir Sir, yours sincerely, C. FRED OWEN, Corresponded. rd <>f Education, S.W.. St (Enclosure.) 8 Vicarage, Ferryside, R.S.O., Carmarthen shire, South Wales, Ii Deoeimber 19th. 1903. 1. St. Isbmael. -u- 2. Ferryside National School. 3. Llansaint National Sohool. A. W, Carmarthenshire. 03/23905 and 03/25415. Dear Sir,—I beg to enclose the estimated A..W, Carmarthenshire. 03/23905 and 03/25415. Dear Sir,—I beg to enclose the estimated expenditure as desired. The instalments of due IT*? 1904, and April 1st ISoT™' JanUaTy lab' January 1st will1 more tti^? due °n has een received from the cSntT ru f as the next instalment of Fee Grit Pencil > fall due till February l*t so thSX^^ money to go on with to purchase coal, school materials, and other necessaries, and from the action of the- County Council the, Banks do not care to advance without an assurance from the Education Board that they will Wo me responsible for any deficit, which the ^°unty Council might choose to repudiate !^d which virtually the County Council has done by refusing to allocate any poa-- the local rate- to the above schools iind, r ^ate has been duly levied by them. positf118^.tbe Board will see the gravity of the that tjf which the schools are placed and the ipi ^tter1 requires imimediate1 action on t Of the Board, or that it will reply to to tter as soon as possible anthorizimg us ■*Pork-Ur tIie necessary expenses so that the m the schools should not come' to a stand ^r,I4-ure,?>V,n^ei that old Committee ceased of September la-t; but as the v«un.ty Counicd has, not elected its, member the new Committe, is the new Committee then properly and legally constituted a,s, the n Foundation Managers have; alone been elected In fact it would seem that the County Council are determined to ignoire thei above schools altogether, excepting; the handing over to the schools the money received by them from the Board. Things have come to a fine pass! and surely one has reason to hope that the forbearance of the Board has a limit! A new Minute Book, etc., is required, but I do no& feel justified1 in advancing the money on my own account without first hearing from the Board that one will not be left in the lurch. For coal I became personally responsible as one could not, stand by and see the children shivering from the cold. A reply with as little delay as • -ible will oblige. Yours faithfully, R. JAMES, Correspondent. Rev J. H Roes: Seeing that the County Council elections will place next month when the question of the actions of this Council with regard to the Education Act, will be brought before the electors at large, a.nd as the next County Council will be formed in accordance with the wishes of the neople of the county on this important question, I beg to move- that this correspondence be laid on the table until after the election in March. Mr W. Mabon Da vies I beg to second that. This motion was carried unanimously. BRITISH SCHOOLS. The Chairman said thait the next, business he had to bring before them was with regard to the British Schools, which it, was desired to take, over. That was, la, power which had not been delegated to the Education Committee,, so they could not deal with it finally. LLANGENNBCH SCHOOL. The Clerk said that the schools which it was desired, to transfer to the Council were Llan- gennech, Llandovery, Peniel, Pantteg, White Mill, Idole, Mvdrim, and Saron. All the necessarv advertisements! had been issued for the transfer of Llangennech School as re- solved by the County Council; and an order had, been made by the Board, of Education allocating one-third of the debt to the county and two-thirds to the parish of Llangennech. He should like to have a formal resolution that Lla ngennech school be tramsfered to, the Council. A resolution to thatefferet was unanimously carried. PENIEL SCHOOL TRANSFERRED. A letter was road from tiM Rev H. T. Jacob with regard to the proposed transfer of Peniel British School. It was impossible for the Congregational Church at Peniel to hand over the building absolutely. The school was the absolute property of the Church, and w=a,s not held subject to any trust deed i and the Church had let the, building to the committee of the British School They as a Church were asking for no control whatever; they did not ask to have anything to do with the appoint- ment of the teacher, the instruction given in the school, or the finances of the school. All they asked was to be allowed the use of the building after school hours when it was not required for evening classes. Mr W. N. Jones said that as chairman of the sub-committee which had visited' Peniel school, and as one of the members of the Education Committee, who had voted in the majority, he begged to move an amendment to the recommendation of the Education Committee—that the school be not taken over except it were handed over uncondition- ally. The sub-committee who had visited the place had reported in favour of taking over Pemuel school on the terms offered by the Church. If ihiei rememibered rightly, the Church was willing to hand over the freehold of the school and to transfer it entirely to the Council subject to their having the use of the building two nights a week when evening classes, were, not being held there, and if lie remembered rightly for three days during the year, Good Friday and Christmas Day being mentioned. Now as they learned from the letter, the Church at Peniel owned the buildL ing absolutely; the building was not vested in any way in any other body. Subject, to the, conditions stated, the Church was willing to hand over the, school to the Council far the benefit of the parish of Abergwili. Therei- fore, he, moved an amendment to the effect, that they accept the offer of the Church at Peniel, and that they take over the school on the terms named. Mr John Moyd sa-id that'hie had much plea- sure in seconding the, amendment of Mr W. N. Jones. He thought that the offer con- tained in the letter of the Rev H. T. Jacob was a very generous -one the schoolroom be- longed to the Church, but they were, prelptared to hand it over to the Council on certain con- ditions. In other parts of the county, those who required thei use of the schools after school hours had the necessary permission of the local managers. The offer was such a generous one that they ought to jump a,t it. Mr J. B. Rees: I beg to move that all Bri- tish schools be handed over throughout the county unconditionally. We, have done so at Llangennech. I think we have authority to speak on the matter. We handed over our school which cost us £ 1,500. You would, not build it to-day for £ 2,000. I think, Mr Chairman, speaking for us as; Nonconformists that, we ought to do this. We ought to be con- sistent with the principles which we profess. Otherwise we will make ourselves the laugh- ing stock of the other side. Let us hand over the schools unconditionally; and then, of course, we shall be consistent with the princi- ples we, are advocating. Mr J. Llew. Thomas Mr' Chairman, the two cases are not (parallel. Llangennech school was built by the Nonconformists of Llangennech. This school has been built by the church at Peniel. It is not a parallel case. I would support Mr Rees in all oases Where the schools were built by the public, not when they were built by a certain church. Mr J. B. Rees: Our school has been built entirely by thei Independents, Bajotists, and Methodists Mr John John rose to speak, Mr J. B. Rees oontinued speaking, and Mr Wilkins rose and said: He is out of order. He has spoken once on this subject. I rise to ,a, point of order. There are three of us on our feet now. Mr John Johns: I have much pleasure in supporting the motion. If we had only the same offer from the managers of the, National schools, there would be no difficulty about the Education question (applause). If we had the management of the school during the school hours, there would be no difficulty about lending it for a, couple, of hours in the even- ing, or about ending it for two or three days in the year. If we had this offer from tine National Schools! we would jump at it (a,mil a use). Mr W. Ma-bon Da,vies: Well done, Johns. The motion to take over the school on the terms offered1 by the church was carried almost unanimously. WHITE MILL SCHOOL. A letter was received from the, managers of White Mill British School stating that they were prepared to transfer the, school to the County Council to be used, for the puifioses' set out in the trust deed and subject to the following conditions Tha,t the Congregational Church of Abergwili retain the right to use the building for Sunday schools on Sunday afternoonis, and a-lso the, right to use the building for two nights in each week, and for a, day or two each year, the dates to be speci- fied by the congregation from time to time. Mr H. J. Thomas said that it would be well if they knew what the contents of the, trust deed were. Mr W. N. Jones said that possibly the Clerk would be able to tell them what the trust, deed contained1. The Clerk said that the only thing he found. in the trust deed was that the school was to be used to provide proper education "for the farming, manufacturing, labouring and the poorer classes.' Mr W. N. Jones said that it appeared that the school was not, vested1 in any particular tigioua body. Had the managers any right T'lTC^oitr^ °™such termiS they suggested. t,« iiv rpn }lie managers can transfer it denLii^ri" "XJy held on a„ rfpnmtiiinfinnni; • Ihere is no savour of Ti Wdk^ m What 1 liave read. Mi Wilkms They suggest that they should appoint the managers. ey s IOU Mr H. J. Thomas Have they jpiOfwer to ask for these conditions. The Clerk It seems to be the, inflicftion of a, denominational trust upon a, trust dieed, which is entirely undenominational. Mr W. N. Jones: I should think that by the trust deed, they have no right to pla,ce any conditions whatever. We should take it over on the lines laid down by the trust dle,ed. We should take it over unconditionally. This is quite different from Peniel.


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