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CARMARTHENSHIRE COUNTY COUNCIL. QUARTERLY MEETING, A quarterly meeting of the Carmarthenshire County Council was held in the Shire hall, Llandilo, on Wednesday afternoon, the members in attendance being: Mr Alderman W. O. Brigstocke, Parkygorse, chairman Mr Gwilym Evans, Llanelly, vice-chairman. Aldermen-Mr W R Edwards, Carmarthen; Mr T Williams, Llwynhendy; Mr Joseph Joseph, Llangennech; Col. Gwynne Hughes, Glancothy; Mr J Bagnall Evans, Nantyreglwya; Mr D Richards, Amman- ford Mr RScourfield, Llanstephan Mr D James, Bailybedw and Mr Morgan Davies, Cwmivor. CouncIllors-Viscount Emlyn, Golden Grove; Sir James Hills-Johnes, K.C.B., V.C., Dolaucothy; Sir James H. Williams-Drummond, Bart., Edwins- ford; Mr D Randell, M.P., Llanelly; Mr T Jenkins, The F'riary, Carmarthen; Mr W N Jones, Tirydail; Mr C E Morris, Penbryn; Mr T Morris, Coomb Mr J Lloyd Thomas, Tanylan; Mr J Lewis, Meiros Hall, Drefach the Rev R G Lawrence, Middleton Hall; Mr H Jones Thomas, Golden Grove; Mr J Gwynne-Hughes, Tregib: the Rev T Evans, Llandovery; Mr Owen Bonville, Llanelly; Mr T Jenkins, Felinfoel; Mr Joseph Maybery, Llanelly; Mr H Wilkins, Llanelly; Mr D C Parry, Llanelly Mr T Phillips, Llanelly Mr J S Tregoning, Iscoed; Mr Evan Evans, Llanedy Mr Lewis Davies, Gelly the Rev W Thomas, Gwynfe; Mr D Evans, Brithdir; Mi J D Morse, Llandawke; Mr T Evans, Treventy; Mr John Davies, Ffynondafolog; the Rev W Thomas, Whitland; Mr D H Thomas, Derllys Court; Mr D «. i TT!.3__11- t-fc n r n -_u_ stepnens, jvtuweuy; rroxessor ii mi Jones, uurtnur- then; Mr J H Thomas, Llanegwad; Dr. Jones, Llanelly; Dr. Howell Rees, Tyrbach; Mr W S Marsh, Penybedd; and Mr Evans, Llandovery; together with Mr T Jones, clerk, Llandovery; Mr Iiong Price, county treasurer, Talley; and the surveyors, Mr Daniel Phillips, and Mr Bowen Davies. The minutes of the two previous meetings of the two previous meetings were con- ferred. CORRESPONDENCE. A communication was read from the inhabitants of Newcastle Emlyn, asking the council to support their petition to the Great Western Railway Com- pany to have the station called •' Emlyn" and not Newcastle Emlyn.Mr J. Lewis proposed, and Mr W. R. Edwards seconded, that the council support the petition, and it was carried.—Viscount Emlyn intimated that as far as the G. W ,R. Com- pany were concerned, when the time cajae to name the station, the wishes of the locality would be acceded to. The Rural Sanitary Authority of the Carmarthen Union, applied for authority to sink a well by the side of the road near Bankyfelin, in order to supply I that village with water.—Mr T. Evans said it was an urgent matter as at present, there was no supply at the lower part of the village, and it required doing before the summer came on. If it was possible for the council to sanction it, it would save a great deal of officialism.-Mr D. H. Thomas said that one great objection was that there was a burying ground about 10 yards from the place suggested (laughter).— Rev. R. G. Lawrence, as a member of the Sanitary Authority, proposed that the matter be referred to the sub main roads committee, and this was decided upon. I A letter was read from the Manion House Rail- I way Rates Association, asking the Council to J guaranted a sum or .£10 towards carrying out its works. Mr T. Jenkins said that the Carmarthen Town Council voted £ 5 towards it. Mr Gwilyn Evans also said that a resolution had been passed at the Llanelly Chamber of Commerce asking the Council to look into the matter. Mr D. C. Parry gave notice that he would bring it on at next meeting, as no money could be voted without notice being given. The Local Government Board wrote stating that two sutns-X2,070 and £ 3,680—had been paid to the treasurer, Mr D. Long Price, with respect to the local taxation account.—The treasurer intimated that he had received cheques for both amounts. The Council approved of the intention of the Llanelly Local Board to petition Parliament to grant the erection of further waterworks in that town. FiNANCE;. The next business was to receive the report of the finance committee. The report, briefly, was as follows Resolved that the clerk write to Mr Protheroe Lewis to enquire whether he had any bill against the county for acting as coroner during the time the office was vacant, and if so, that the bill be referred to the Council; resolved that Mr D. Rizon Morgan be requested in future to insert d"tes1 in his coroner's bill. The treasurer's account for the quarter ended 31st December, 1890, was gone into, showing payments amounting to X7662 198 Id, and receipts amounting to £ 18881Us 3d, giving, a balance in favour of the Council of j81 1218 4s I'CL- Resolved that it be Recommended to the Council that the following cheques be drawn-EIIOO.for the. main roads (Western Division)., and JElgOO jas thej, main roads (Eastern Division). — Professor Jones said, as a representative of the borough of Carmar- then, he would like to know how they from the borough were to vote on the adoption of the report, for some of the bills were for general purposes, And the Act laid down that no representative of a borough had a right to vote on a question to which his borough did not contribute. The Clerk said that no great notice bad ever been taken of the section referred to, and Professor Jones could re- main neutral if he wished. Professor Jones I should not like to do anything illegal, and the matter would mean a great deal when there is close voting.—It was decided to keep the borough accoun-ts separate in future, in order to meet the difficulty. The Chairman said that I T f 1 No COUNTY RATE Was required to be levied that time as the county Was required to be levied that time as the county was in a splendid financial position. Mr D. Stephens said he wanted the Council to make a recommendation to the Local Government Board not to grant the re-appointment of the medical officer of Kidwelly for three years, but only for one year, as that would check the excessive charges of the medical officer, but be was ruled out of order.—The finance committee's report was then adopted. MAIN ROADS IN THE CARMARTHEN BOROUGH. When the Council were dealing with the report of the main roads oommittee, Mr W. R. Edwards raised the question of main roads in the borough of Carmarthen. The Chairman said the borough were entitled to have main roads. The Act said that the county of the borough within two years may apply to the county council to make some roads main roads, and il refused the county of the borough may within a reasonable time apply to the Local Government Board for the conversion of the roads. Since they last met he had endeavoured to ascertain something with regard to main roads in boroughs and urban districts, and there seemed to be the wildest confusion; the accounts in all places differed very much. Main roads were either disturnpiked roads or roadd which had been declared main roads by the council. Having conferred with several chairmen of county councils and eminent authorities, it appeared to him the better way was not to adopt any main roads with urban districts, but to contribute a fair and equitable amount for the maintenance of those roads. He moved that no highway within an urban district, including Carmarthen, be constituted a main road, and that the council, under section 10, sub-sec. 11, contribute a reasonable sum towards the highways as reconir mended by the county surveyor in the boroughs of Carmarthen, Llandilo, Llanelly, Llandovery, and Kidwelly. Mr J. Maybery: Would it not be better to refer it to a sub-committee to report to the council as it is a very complicated question.— Mr W. R. Edwards said it was a good suggestion to refer it to a committee, but that committee should know under what section they would have to consider the question. A quarter sessions borough of over 10,000 inhabitants should, be^ dealt with under section 35, and that section showed as plainly what their duty was towards Carmarthen, as that the Towy flowed into the sea. They as .a borough wanted the Council to refuse or confirm the taking over of the roads recommended by them. and if refused, they (the borough) bad power to appeal to the Local Government Board, and it would The the board's duty to send down an official to Carmarthen to make enquiries. If their applica- tion was right, they would deal with it. Urbap authorities were in an altogether different category. Mr Gwilyn Evans said that Carmarthen bad a good case and they could afford to waita little time. The matter would be treated fairly with a sub com- mittee.-Mr T. Jenkins said he must protest against the matter being shelved. It had been th-aehed out more than once, and it was for them to accept or reject their roads.—Mr Tregoning said that so far as he could understand of what was advocated by the mayor of Carmarthen and Mr Edwards, they had to confirm or reject the minutes of the roads committee as regards Carmarthen. He moved that the minutes be not confirmed in order that a sub- committee be appointed to go into the mattei as suggested.—Mr T. Jenkins moved, and Mr D. It. Thomas seconded as an amendment, that the minutes-be confirmed.—The amendment was lost.— It was then resolved "that the proposal to deal with certain specified highways which were declared main roads in the urban districts of Llandilo, Llan- dovery, Llanelly, Carmarthen, and Kidwelly, be referred to a sub-committee, and that a special meeting of the Council be held to receive a report thereon." The committee was appointed, consist ing of one member from each borough, the chair- man and vice-chairman, and five members from the agricultural districts. NEW ALDERMEN. The next business was to elect two aldermen in the place of Mr W de Grouchy Warren,resigned; and Mr J. Lewis Philipps, deceased.—A long wrangle took place as to the mode of voting. The clerk stated: that no aldermen could vote, and that the Act plainly said that the voting should be by each mem- I ber writing the name of his candidate on a ulip of paper which was to be delivered personally to the chairman.—This mode was ultimately adopted.— Rev. R. G. Lawrence said that as the vacaneies Iud: occurred in the Carmarthen district, the vacancies: should be filled by gentlemen from that district.? The result of the voting was that Mr David EVaJlS, Llanelly, and Mr C. E. Morris were elected, the: former with 24 votes, and the latter with 23 votes. These two gentlemen were declared duly elected. VACANCIES. Professor Jones was appointed on the finance committee, Mr W. R. Edwards on the asylum committee, and Mr T. Jenkins on the standing orders committee, instead of the late Mr J. L. Philipps. Alderman David Evans, and Mr W. N. Jones were each proposed to fill a vacancy in the standing joint committee, owing to the death of Mr T. Powell. The latter gentleman reiusea and proposed Mr Morgan Davies. Oti.a vote being taken, 24 showed in favour of Alderman David Evans, and 11 for Mr Morgan Davies.-The former gentleman was declared elected. POLICE CONTROL, ETC. Dr. Howell Recs asked what had been done with regard to a resolution passed at the council meeting at Llanelly on police control. The resolution gave instructions that a petition be sent to Parliament on that matter.—The Clerk said he really remembered nothing about the petition, and he was never instructed to draw one out, but he would be moat pleased to do so if requested.—Dr Rees moved that instructions be given to the clerk to draw out a petition, and it was carried. LLANDILO HIGHWAY BOARD Mr W. N. Jones moved that the offer reoeived from the Llandilo Highway District Board con- tributing iMOO towards the Ammanford Bridge be accepted.-Viscount Emlyn asked whether it was not a fact that at present the Highway Board were liable to maintain a ford through the river over which bridge was wanted to be built. If he was rightly infoeuied, the Highway Board were not offering them sixpence, but were relieving them- selves of a burden, by making away with the ford. —A long discussion ensued during which it was argued that if the council accepted the money they would be compelled to build the bridge.—The motion was lost by a large majority. INTERMEDIATE EDUCATION; Dr. Howell Rees proposed That this Council is of opinion that the provisions of the Intermediate Education Act (Wales) will be more effectually carried out in this County (excepting the towns of Carmarthen and Llanelly) by the establish- ment of a number of small Intermediate Schools rather than a few large ones. Mr Rees said he had read in the daily papers that only three schools were proposed to be established in the county.-Rev. William Thomas said that was incorrect.—Viscount Emlyn and Mr Gwilym Evans, two other members of the education com- mittee, said they should not assume anything until they had brought their scheme to light.—It been said that the committee would take into considera- tion all the suggestions made, it was decided to let the matter drop. ALLOTMENTS. It was decided on the motion of Councillor Howell Rees that a petition be presented to Parliament, praying that the Allotments Act, 1887, may be so amended as to transfer the powers of sanitary authorities, under that Act to the County Councils or District Councils, when formed. LLANDILOFAWR HIGHWAY BeARD. A motion by Alderman Morgan that the request of the above board be granted, viz: that the account! of the teveral parishes, comprising the said board be kept separate as heretofore, was lost by a majority of one. » TROTTING MATCHES. J MR John DavieB had a notice on the agenda That I trotting matches shall not be allowed to take place on the main roads of the county."—The Clerk said that anyone could stop trotting matches on the roads. They could summon the men for obstructing tha ioad^and fat furious driving, .but they could.not tJ.8ê:f » bye-jaw, stating that no one, could trot on itfce highway.- ^TECHNICAL INSTRUCTION. r. Mr J.-S. Tregoning. movfcd, That with a view to facilitate this provision of Technical instruction throughout the county a rate of one halfpenny in the £ be levied annually under the Technical •Instruction Act, 1889, commencing with this year, and that the committee appointed by the Council to prepare a scheme under that Act, he informed that they may base such scheme on the assumption that the halfpenny rate will be available for the pur- pose."—Mr Tregoning said they would remember that the two Acts of Parliament, the Intermediate Education and Techical Instruction Acts were very fully discussed when the joint education committee was formed. The five gentlemen constituting the Qomcritteehad to prepare two schemes, qui tedifferent iu character, one scheme-to-provide schools under the Joint Education Act for boys who could afford, and who were nvpnnrpH tn rrrA«n 'T-F- e-r eiucationtban that in the elementary schools, and another scheme under the Technical Instructions Act for training the hand, the eye and so on. Both schemes were worthy of the whole support they could give them (hear, hear), both required a great deal of money, and the committee wanted their assistance and advice as to how the money at the committee's disposal could be most usefully employed. Most of them were employers of labour and many of them would be sorry to see the Technical Instruction Act falling through. He asked them to grant a d rate in order to have money to give the Act a fair trial. The chairman of the Flint- shire council had said that they had about 700 people in that county, from six to 60 years old, getting instruction from the money taken by them from the local taxation grant. At an influential .meeting lately held at Llanelly, a resolution was pg-asfid, ".That having regard to the great importance of technical and agricultural instruction in this county, the aldermen and councillors are hereby humbly requested to support the proposal to levy a id rate in support of the Act." He did not ask them to levy it for the benefit of Llanelly, but for the benefit of the rural districts, and he wanted the whole country to take advantage of it (hear, hear). As a man interested in agriculture and manufacturing, he felt that the time bad come when they must be up and doing if their cc mmerce was to prosper. Abroad they had skilled labour of a very high class that was backed up with high tariffs. Let them do their best to compete with their foreign friends. He moved that a halfpenny rate be made, commencing with this year, and that the committee be informed that they may base their scheme on the assumption that the rate would be forthcoming. Mr D. Randell, M.P., seconded. The Rev Wm. Thomas (one of the committee}, said it was evident they could not administer the Act without money, and 'the money so utilised would be for the general pecuniary benefit of the country. If they, as a council refused, but he did not believe they would, the responsibility would rest on their shoulders, and they would have to bear the consequences which would inevitably fall on them in the future. Professor Jones wanted to kilow how the com- mittee thought of spending the money. <; JlpGwilym Evans (chairman of the committee), |ai^T" tbey had "been gooQ enough to grant them a halfpenny rate under the Intermediate Education Act without having had any proposal from them to how. it would be spent, and they now asked them to. grant another id rate under the Technical Instructions Act. If they disagreed with the scheme the committee would bring in, they could throw it out. The motion was unanimously carried amidst applause. A, halfpenny rate has therefore been made. PROMOTION IN THE POLICE FORCE. Mr Thomas Phillips, Llanelly, had caused the following notice to be put on the agenda paper :— That he will call, attention to the promotion of P.C. John Vaughan Phillips, and move a resolution calliuar upon the joint standing committee to carry out the resolution before passed in reference to promotion in the police force. Mr Phillips rose to speak to it, when the Rev. R. G. I Lawrence asked, Is this in order, Mr Chairman ?" The Chairman—I think so. Mr Phillips—I will move it as a recommendation if I cannot move it as a resolu- tion. A resolution was passed by the joint standing committee recommendirg that when promoting police officer^ the Chief constable should bring the recommen- dations before that committee. Chief Constable Phillips has, however, ignored that recommendation in connection with the appointment that has recently been made. You know that he has done something similar to what we have done. No doubt it is a family mistake (laughter). The Chairman—I hardly think you ought to attribute motives. Mr Phillips—At any rate, my contention is this -thaf Chief Constable Phillips overstepped his duty as far as this council is concerned. I know very well that he is privilege;], but you also know that privileges arc dying out fast (hear,;hear, and applause). 1 am not goin^ to say a word against the person who has been appointed, but he is a very young man who is put above men of 30 or 40 years of age, or even older than that, men who arc quite equal if not better as far as experience goes (hear, hear, and applause). Under these circumstances I say it is wrong that this appointment should have been made. 1 submit that Chief Constable Phillips has not done the right thing in appoillting his son after being warned by this council and under the circumstances I move -that tho-, appointment be cancelled. The Chairman- We have no power whatever to do that. In fact, that is not the resolution you have on the agenda paper.— Mr Philli] >s Very well, I move the words on the agenda.—Mr Daniel Stevens, Kidwelly, seconded.— Visconht Kmlyn I do not know what the resolution refers to. i iie v^iiairman 1 am ratner in ignorance of what it means. -The -Vide-Chairiiian I will explain to you what occurred at the joint standing committee's meeting over which you, my lord, was chairman,— "Viscount Emlyn I know what took place; but I want 'to know what this resolution wants the council to carry out.—The Rev W. Thomas: ''That it be a recommendation to the chief constable that no appoint- ment of inspector or superintendent be made without submitting the names to the joint standing committee." That resolution has been carried.—The Vice-Chair- man We of the county council know very well that that that resolution will have its due effect because it will carry with it the voice of the inhabitants of this county (applause). I hope if Mr Phillips' resolution is passed by an almost unanimous vote that due weight will be given to that recommendation at the joint com- mittee s meeting, and tuat tnis committee on tnat oc- casion will not represent themselves, but the in- habitants of this county (hear, hear, and applause).— Mr Randell, M.P., thought that Chief Constable Phillips' conduct was ill-advised and indiscreet.— Viscount Emlyn said the Chief Constable had not had an opportunity yet of mentioning the ap- pointment to the committee, and yet the council condemned him before his explanation had been made. His lordship hoped the matter would have a judicial inquiry with the committee (hear, hear, and applause). The passing of such a reso- lution as the above was not, in his opinion, evincing a judicial spirit. He appealed to Mr Randell to wait until the explanation had been given by the Chief Constable before any action in the matter was taken. Sir James Hills Johnes, V.C., thought it would be a mistake to take action just yet.—Mr Randell said his remarks had been based on the assumption that the Chief Constable had ap- pointed his son, because the appointment had already been gazetted. He (the speaker) still adhered to the statements he had made (hear, boar).-The Rev. W. Thomas thought they ought to express their opinion candidly. He ha been told that this gentleman, Mr Vaugha, Philipps, had been promoted an inspector, aiv. yet there was no such office connected with th force. How, then, could he take pay for th post ? He (the speaker) learned too that th, appointment was made in 12 days after the com- mittee's recommendation, and he took it that the ignoring of the recommendation was a regular slap in the face (lauohter)-not-oiily for the committee, but for the representatives of the county council. I Mr Tregoning was sorry the cniet constable had acted as he had done. It was thought the resolu- tion of the committee would have been accepted in a friendly way (hear, hear). However, a proper enquiry would be made, and in the circumstances would it not be well to defer any further action ? —The Chairman: Will you withdraw your motion, Mr Phillips, for the present 1Mr T. Phillips did not feel inclined to do that. He did not see what further explanation could be given by the chief constable. — Mr C. E. Morris Opinion is simply being expressed upon undoubted facts. —Dr J. A. Jones and Mr Maybery would like to hear the chief's explanation first. -Ultimately it was carried without a dissentient, "That we call upon the Joint Standing Committee to recommend to the chief constable the desirability of reconsider- ing the recent appointment of his sou." The council then rose.






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