The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser

B. EVANS & COMPANY Have now on show a MAGNIFICENT STOCK OF RELIABLE FURS, Consisting of SEALSKIN JACKETS, AND THREE-QUARTER CAPES, REAL ASTRACHAN COATS AND CAPES, FUR-LINED CLOAKS AND CAPES, COLLARETTES (Long and Short), BOAS, MUFFS, TRIMMINGS, TRAVELLING AND CARRIAGE RUGS, &c. B.E. & Co. beg to state that they hold themselves responsible for the character and wear of all FUR G60DS sold by them. This is HIGHLY IMPORTANT, as BADLY DRESSED SKINS and SPURIOUS IMITATIONS are extensively made up and frequently FOISTED UPON the PUBLIC. TEMPLE STREET, SWANSEA. NOVEMBER, 1891. THE GUILDHALL MUSIC AND STATIONERY WAREHOUSE, CARMARTHEN. ,:>(¡. -¥. s r.é7 E. COLBY EVANS' PIAN OFORTES BY ALL THE BEST MAKERS, At Cash Discounts, varying from 20 to 30 per cent.; also on the 3 years' system, from 10s. 6d. per month. AN EXCELLENT TUNER KEPT. PIANOS TUNED FOR 3s. Gd., OR KEPT IN TUNE BY THE YEAR FOR 14s. AMERICAN ORGANS AND HARMONIUMS In great variety, always in Stock. "J" D RUM 1. 4 1 L" *t ■r—r-1— ■. J AND 1 • V FIFE B A NtT> S SUPPLIED AT LOWEST PRICES. 11 zi- y a Having succe-if-fuily competed against other firms, E. C. E. has every confidence in the prices lie quotes. „ A LARGE ASSORTMENT OF LADIES' & GENTLEMEN'S HAND & TRAVELLING BAGS ALWAYS IN STOCK At Stores Prices. STATIONERY IN GREAT VARIETY. A DISCOUNT OY 2d. IN THE Is. ALLOWED OFF ALL BOOKS. [889 PIANOS! PIANOS!! PIANOS! FROM 10s. IKOIVTH L -Y. ON NEW 111 UK SYSTEM. THOMPSON J, SHACKELL, LTD., CARDIFF, BRISTOL, SWANSEA, NEWPORT, &c., &c. NEW BRANCH AT CARMARTHEN: 54A, KING-STREET <' (OPPOSITE THE ASSEMBLY ROOMS).. • SOLE AGENTS FOR SOUTH WALES FOR THE ESTEY ORGANS AND NEUMEYER PIANOS. AGENTS FOR PIANOS BY COLLARD, BROADWOOD, BRINSMEAD, KIRKMAN, HOPKINSON, IBASH, BECKSTEIN, SCHIEDMAYER, and all leading Makers. ORGANS BY ESTEY, MASON & HAMLIN, BELL, &c., and all best American Firms. N.B.—This new Branch is opened for the convenience of our numerous Patrons in the Counties of Carmarthen Cardigan, and Pembroke, and a large Staff of First Class Tuners will be availabe at the shortest notice. LARGEST BUYERS AND CHEAPEST PIANO FIRM IN THE KINGDOM. Price Lists, with beautiful illustrations, post frpft on application. Speciality-Second-hatld Pianos at Half-price. SAVE YOUR MONEY BY BUYING OF THOMPSON & SHACKELL. [887 NOTE THE ADDRESS— 54A, KING STREET, CARMARTHEN THE IMPROVEMENT OF LANDED ESTATES. THE LAND LOAN AND ENFRANCHISEMENT COMPANY i (Incorpo)-ated by Special Act of Parliament) ADVANCES MONEY to Landowners for Drainage, the Erection of Farm Buildings, Artizans' and Miners'Cottages, 1 rial Pits for Mines, and for the General Improvement of Landed Property • also to TENANTS FOR LIFE, for the ERECTION of and ADDITIONS to ESTATE MANSIONS' STABLES, and OUTBUILDINGS, and their general sanitary improvement; the amount borrowed being repaid by a terminable rent-charge. No investigation of title is necessary. Prospectus and forms of application may be obtained at the Company's Offices. 22, Gloat George-street, Westminster, S.W. EDWIN GARROD, Secretary. MORTGAGE AND GROUND-RENT BRANCH OF THE LAND LOAN AND ENFRANCHISEMENT COMPANY. v. 1: 0> THE COMPANY'S REGISTER contains various sums of trust and other moneys awaiting invest ment on Mortgage and for the purchase of Grouad Rents. Further particular on application. 22, Great George-street, Westminster, S.W. EDWIN GARROD, Secretary. v [931 ESTABLISHED 1806. HENRY CADLE, WHOLESALE AND RETAIL WINE, SPIRIT, ALE, AND PORTER MERCHANT, I HALF MOON HOTEL, DARK-GATE, AND BLUE-STREET, CARMARTHEN, AGENT FOR BASS, ALLSOPP'S, AND OTHER ALES. GUINNESS'S AND OTHER PORTERS, IN CASKS AND BOTTLES. CASKS, FROM 9 GALLONS AND UPWARDS, ALWAYS IN STOCK. SAMPLES AND PRICES ON APPLICATION. SCHWEPPE'S CHAMPAGNE, GINGERADE, LEMONADE, SODA WATER, AND BRIGHTON SELTZER WATER. WINES AND SPIRITS OF THE BEST QUALITY. PRICES, FROM 2s. TO 7S. PER BOTTLE. ALL SPIRITS OF MATURE AGE. tt AN ORDINARY EVERY SATURDAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. Established 1854. D. TITUS~WILLIAMS, BOOKBINDER, ENGLISH WESLEYAN CHAPEL HOUSE, CARMARTHEN. BIBLES, MUSIC, ALBUMS, and OLD BOOKS BOUND and REPAIRED ivith the greatest care. SECOND-HAND BOOKS BOUGHT, SOLD, OR EXCHANGED. [857 P 0 UL T RYO WEEKLY ONE PENNY, ILLUSTRATED B Y.JIR. HARRISON WEIR. A JOURNAL for FANCIERS, AMATEURS, and BREEDERS for PROFIT of POULTRY, PIGEONS, CAGE BIRDS, RABBITS, and MINORPETS Con- taining Articles by the Best Writers, and FULL REPORTS of all LEADING SHOWS. The Annual Sale of POULTRY is over 1,560,000. POULTRY is a FIRST-CLASS MEDIUM FOR ADVERTISEMENTS. ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION, 6s. 6d. Sample Copy free on application. OFFICE: 171, FLEET STREET, LONDON, E.C. WANTED. CLUB AGENTS WANTED, to form Clubs for I J Watches, Clocks, Jewellery, Silver Plate, Opera Glasses, Musical Insts., &c. Members pay Is. per week. Terms, Catalogues, &c., KENDAL & DENT, 106, Cheapside, London. Splend'd value. Great success. Mention Paper. Ladies' and Gents' Silver Levers 42s., worth 70s. [1254 WANTED, Female Domestic Servants from 17 to 35 years, and Farm Labourers, seen and selected by the Emigration Lecturer, obtain free passages by steamer to Queensland where they will receive good wages. Only payments, £ 1 for shipkit.s and fare to depot in London. Married men not to have more than two children under 12 years. On landing Emigrants received into Government depot free. Approved persons paying full fare receive Land Orders value £ 20.—Apply, Agent General for Queens- land, Westminster Chambers, 1, Victoria-street, London, S.W. GROCERY AND PROVISIONS. WANTED, four nice BOYS to learn the trade. No premium.—Apply, stating full particulars, W. Pegler and Son, The Stores, Pontypool. [1297 CASTELL FLEMISH BOARD SCHOOL. WANTED, to commence duties January 11th, 1892, a Certificated Master or Mistress for above country School (Welsh). Salary, £ 65. Appli- cations to be sent on or before the 6th day of January, 1892.—Addressed, Clerk, School Board, Tregaron. [1294 PONTARDAWE UNION. WANTED, a GENERAL SERVANT (female) for the Workhouse of the above-named Union. Salary, i;20 per annum with rations and apartments in the House. Applications in the Candidate's own handwriting, accompanied by three recent original testimonials, to be sent to me on or before the 13th January, 1892. A list of the duties to be performed can be obtained on application to me. By order, D. BEVAN TURBERVILLE, (Solicitor) Clerk to the Guardians. 4, Herbert Street, Pontardawe, Swansea Valley, 19th December, 1891. [1291 FOR SALE. FOR SALE, one 28 Carder Engine; one Spinning Jack 60 Spindles.—Apply to J. and D. James, Nanty-Boncath Factory, Llanpumpsaint. [1277 FEATHERS.—Pure, fit for use, to be had only of William Evans, Stag's Head, near Market, Carmarthen. [404. TO SADDLERS. FOR SALE BY PRIVATE CONTRACT, a First Class SADDLERY BUSINESS, situate in Cardigan, South Wales. Apply to Messrs Jenkins and Evans, Solicitors, Cardigan. [1293 TO BE LET. HOUSE, No.6, ST. PETER'S-STREET. TO BE LET OR SOLD (by private treaty) this extensive House and Premises, with 2 Gardens, and Stable, and Coach House at back. For further particulars apply to Mr James Brigstocke, 25, King-street, Carmarthen. [1299 RPO LET, a Farm and Lands, called GELLYGLYP, in X the Parish of Llanegvvad, in the County of Car- marthen, on the 29th day of September, 1892. For further particulars apply to T. E. Davies, Esq., Castle Howell, Llanegwad, or to Mr C. E. Morris, Solicitor, Carmarthen. PUBLIO NOTICES. FOR Training Young Gentlemen to become L1 OFFICERS in the MERCANTILE NAVY. Fee 55 Guineas per Annum. SCHOOL SHIP CONWAY," Liverpool. For Prospectus, &c., apply to Captain A. T. MILLER, R.N. [1296 ASSEMBLY ROOMS, CARMARTHEN. ST. PETER'S ANNUAL CHRISTMAS TREE. THURSDAY, JANUARY 7 th, 1802. Vicarage Stall- -Mrs Lloyd. ChurchwardcnS' Stall Mrs Thomas, Well- field; and Mrs T. Jones, Mansel-street. Fancy Stall—Mrs Reid. Toy Stall— Miss White. Farmers' Stall—Mrs Francis, Myrtle Hill. Refreshment Stall—Mrs Bolton, Mrs T. E. Brigstocke, Mrs Harvey (Francis-terrace), Mrs James (Frondeg Villa), Miss Nevern Jones. Tea Stall—The Misses Spurrell. Coffee Stall-The Misses Evans, Trevaughan. Farce—Mr Brunei White. A Children's Play-illiss E. M. Davies. The proceeds will be devoted to the National Schools, Towyside and Cambrian Place Mission Rooms and St. John's Welsh Church Building Fund. Contributions will be thankfully acknowledged by any of the above ladies. [1211 GARDEN-WORK. THE FAVOURITE PAPER OF INEXPERIENCED AMATEURS Who desire Plain. Sound, and Practical Information in every Department of Gardening FLOWERS, FRUIT, and VEGETABLES. Obtainable of any Bookseller, Stationer, or at the Railway Bookstalls. ANNUAL S U B S C R I P T I O N, 6s. 6d. 'GARDEN-WORK' will worthily fill its appropriate niche. It is an excellent peunyworth, and we do not think that those who invest in this pennyworth of wisdom will run the slighest chance of being pound foolish.' —Gardeners' Chronicle. OFFICE: 171, FLEET STREET, LONDON, E.C. BRIGSTOCKE & SON, WINE AND SPIRIT MERCHANTS, CARMARTHEN, Hold a large and carefully selected Stock of Wines and Spirits of every description, including PORTS, SHERRIES, MARSALAS, CLARETS, CHAMPAGNES, BURGUNDIES, MOSELLES, HOCKS, TARRAGONA, and other WINES. BURGOYNE'S AUSTRALIAN WINES. MAX GREGER'S HUNGARIAN WINES. CHOICE OLD SCOTCH WHISKEY, 21s. 6d. per Gallon. CHOICE OLD IRISH WHISKEY, 21s. 6d. per Gallon. Single Bottles supplied and sample cases made up. Schweppe's and other Mineral Waters supplied. Carriage paid by Goods Train to the nearest Railway Station on quantities of one I dozen and upwards. • • Established half a Century. "XTEW ORIENTAL BANK CORPORATION -L' (Limited). CAPITAL—AUTHORISED £ 2,000,000. SUBSCRIBED AND PAID-UP £ 600 000. LONDON 40, Threadneedle-street, Loudon, E.C.; 25 Cockspur-street, S.W. Edinburgh-In, St. Andrew- square. Dundee—6, Panmure-street. Branches and Agencies-Australia, India, Ceylon, China, Japan, Straits, Madagascar, Mauritius, Seychelles, Aden, Paris, New York, San Francisco, and Zanzibar. Money remitted to any part of the World by draft, letter of credit, or by telegraph. Bills of Exchange, Interest Warrants and Coupons collected and- cashed. Circular Notes issued, Current Accounts opened, Banking Agency business generally undertaken. INTEREST ALLOWED ON DEPOSITS- For 1, 3, 5, or 7 years certain,4 per cent. per annum. [862 ROYAL COLLEGE OF MUSIC* KENSINGTON GORE, LONDON, S.W. Incorporated by Royal Charter, 1883. President: H.R.H. The PRINCE of WALES. K G Director: Sir GEORGE GROVE, D.C L., LL.D. Hon. Secretary: CHARLES MORLEY, Esq. OPEN FREE SCHOLARSHIPS. Fifteen Open Free Scholarships will be competed for in February, 1892, as follows 1 Composition 2 Stringed Instruments. 0 Singing (Preference given to 3 Pianoforte 'Cello & Double Bass) 1 Organ 4 Wind Instruments. 1 Violin (Preference given to Oboe, Bassoon, French Horn and Trumpet) provided that satisfactory Candidates present them- selves. The Scholarships are for three years, of the value of 1:40 per annum, and are intended to confer a complete musical education. In some cases maintenance is added. Preliminary Examinations will be held on Wednes- day, February 3rd, in various local centres throughout the United Kingdom, and the final competition will take place at the College on or about February 27th. All persons desirous of competing must apply on forms which may be obtained from the College. No such application can be entertained if received after January 11th. GEORGE WATSON, Registrar. NOTICE. ST. CLEARS MONTHLY MARKET. ON and after the 5th January, 1892, a toll will be levied on all cattle entering St. Clears Market as follows:- For every single Beast. 2d. For every Cow and Calf :kl. For every Bull 3d. No Bulls will be allowed into the Market unless led by a ring or halter. By Order of the COMMITTEE. MADAM NELLIE REES (LLINOS RHONDDA SOPRANO VOCALIST, WINNER OF 15 PHIZES AT THE NATIONAL EISTEDDFOD IS OPEN to receive Engagements for ORATORIO and MISCELLANEOUS CONCERTS. For terms and date apply, Nellie Rees, Llinos Rhondda, Aberdare. [1287 COUNTY OF THE BOROUGH OF CARMARTHEN. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the next General Quarter Sessions of the Peace for the said County Borough, will be holden and kept at the Guildhall, in the said-County Borough, on Monday, the 11th day of January ))'xt, at half-past ten of the clock in the forenoon, when and where all persons concerned are required to attend. Dated this 23rd day of December, 1891. JOHN H. BARKER, [1298 Clerk of the Peace. KEARSLEY'S. Ask your Chemist for Kearsley's I -LY. Ladies' Companion. KEARSLEY'S WIDOW WELCH'S FEMALE PILLS have a reputation of over 100 Years, and are the acknowledged remedy for Female complaints. KEARSLEY'S WIDOW WELCH'S FEMALE PILLS restore a healthy hue to the complexion, in place of the deathly pallor so distressing to witness. KEARSLEY'S WIDOW WELCH'S FEMALE PILLS contain no irritant drug, and have the approval of the.Aledical Profession. KEARSLEY'S WIDOW WELCH'S FEMALE PILLS are wrapped in White Paper, and have the name "Kearsley on the Government Stamp. No others are genuine. KEARSLEY'S WIDOW WELCH'S FEMALE -LY- PILLS can be obtained of all Chemists, 2s. 9d. per box or by po&t 34 stamps, from SANGER & SONS, 489, Oxford Street. London. READY THIS DAY. THE CHURCH REVIVAL in WALES. A Paper read by the Very Rev the Dean of St. ASAPH, at the Church Congress, Rhyl, on Tuesday, October 6, 1891. Price Threepence. THE CHURCH in WALES- Its Antiquity and Continuity. To be illustrated, if desired, with lantern views. An Address by the Rev C. A. WELLS. Price. Threepence. THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND Its Growth and Progress during the Present Century. With numerous Illustrations (reprinted from the Daily Graphic "). In Coloured Wrapper, price 3d. 2s. per doz., or 10s. per 100. The Church Defence Institution, 9, Bridge-street, Westminster, S.W. b CARDIGANSHIRE. MILLFIELD, LAMPETER. Important Sale of val-uable Household, Furniture, Dairy Utensils, Dog Carts, Harness, dr. MESSRS. J. HOWELL THOMAS & Co. have iYJ. been favoured with instructions from the repre- sentatives of the late T. Lloyd Edwardes, Esq., to SELL by AUCTION, at the above place, on Thurs- day, the 14th of January, 1892, all the valuable Household Furniture, and other effects, comprising Mahogany Dining, Occasional, and other Tables, Dining, Easy, Arm, and other Chairs, Sofas, Bookcase, Hatstand, Brussels, and other Carpets, Hearthrugs, Fenders, Fire Irons,^Chimney Glasses, Window Hang- ings, Pictures, Books, Fishing Rods, Double-barrel Gun & China, Glass Dinner Services, Iron Half-tester and other Bedsteads, Palliasses, Mattresses, Feather- beds, Bolsters and Pillows, Washstands and Ware, Towel Horses, Chests of Drawers, Toilet Tables, Dressing Glasses, Wardrobes, Kitchen Dresser, Cup- boards, Tables, Chairs, Culinary requisites, &c., &c. Also a stylish Tandem Dog Cart, light Dog Cart, light Shooting Spring Cart, small Pony Cart; several sets Harness, Saddles, Bridles, Whips; Dog Kennels, Lawn Mowers, Iron Roller, Hot-bed Frames, Manure; a quantity of Dairy Utensils, Mangle, and a variety of useful effects. One Month's Credit on Conditions. SALE TO COMMENCE AT HALF-PAST ELEVEN A.M. PUNCTUALLY.

RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION IN THE DIOCESE OF ST. DAVID'S. Our readers will have followed, perchance with deep interest, the correspondence which has been carried on for some weeks past in our columns. The subject is one of para- mount importance. In these days, when every effort is being made by many to make the education of the nation's children abso- lutely and exclusively secular, there are some of us who still cling to the belief of our fore- fathers, that Gab Ditio is, after all, yureu, dysjt, To all such the columns of THE JOURNAL have probably offered nothing more interesting than the correspondence on the above subject. It is, perhaps, unnecessary to recapitulate that correspondence at any length. On the one hand, many schoolmasters, no I doubt, of various degrees of professional excellence agree on the whole in two points. In the first place they complain of the sylla- bus for the diocese as excessive. In the second plnce, many of them refer to the ex- aminations as not only excessive in scope, but also as unnecessarily unsympathetic in spirit. To the first of these, the Diocesan Inspector has replied by showing that the syllaSg is jegg advanced than that in use in the Di,ses of Llandaff and St. Asaph. To the secon .eom- plaint he answers nothing. Perhaps t, is as it should be. And yet we cannot t.i.. thinking that the charges made by several « the correspondents are too grave to be left unanswered. The Diocesan Inspector's com- parison of syllabuses is of value and of interest. Yet we hardly deem its ruling satis- factory. Nobody, in these days, would give us credit for the judgment we are supposed to possess, if we tried to justify a twelve hours' day for the labourers of Carmarthenshire, on the ground that men work thirteen hours a day elsewhere. And it is obvious that if the syllabus of St. David's is to be justified at all, it must be by other means than by reference to more ambitious syllabuses in neighbouring dioceses. We maintain that the question, like most others, should be decided on its merits. We may be told that it has already been decided by the Diocesan Board of Education. At the risk of being misinterpreted, we cannot accept even that answer as settling the question. We honestly have great respect for the Diocesan Board of Education. It is made up of members, every individual of whom we admire. But admir- able as those gentlemen are individually, and excellent as they are in many ways in their corporate capacity, we still think that as a Board of Education, they are eapable of im- provement. We have, in this very Board, excellent scholars, excellent thinkers, excel- lent preachers; but not one who has made the child his life study, not one who has had any 0 lengthened experience in elementary teaching. We have not the least hesitation in saying that our National schoolmasters should be represented on the Board of Education, and that they should be consulted when the syl- labus for Religious Instruction is being framed. That, it seems to us, is the only way in which we can secure a thoroughly sound workable syllabus. Indeed, we feel inclined to go still further, and to urge on the St. David's, and on all other Diocesan Boards of Education, the advisability of appointing inspectors from the ranks of those who have been systemat- ically trained, and who have acquired consider- able experience in the truly noble, and truly fine, art of teaching and training the young. We make bold to say this, not with the wish of advancing the selfish interest of schoolmasters, but because we consider that the examiner's work requires a kind of care- fully-trained skill, which is already possessed by the experienced and successful teacher. A child's timidity, a child's peculiar difficul- ties, a child's undeveloped modes of expression, to counteract, to solve, to understand these and to make proper allowance for them is a task beyond most people who have not devoted much time, and much loving care, to the study of humanity in the bud. We have already realised the vast importance of suit- ably training our elementary teachers hence the national effort in that direction. And we confidently predict that the time will soon come when we shall see with equal clearness the vital importance of such a training in the case of those whose task it is to elicit facts from young children. In the meantime com- plaints will be frequently made of the seem- ing lack of sympathy in examiners, and of their apparently harsh administration of codes and of syllabuses. It is neither our policy nor our desire to prejudice the public against either party to the controversy which has been conducted in our columns. For the Diocesan Inspector, in the conscientious performance of his arduous duties, we have the greatest sym- pathy. For a National Schoolmaster, too, we have profound sympathy. We know, and we assure them, we feel, how very much we owe them. We know how searching the Govern- ment examinations have become, and we know how doubly hard it must be to work on patiently under trying and insurmountable difficulties, preparing young pupils for the extra visit by the Diocesan Inspector. It is due to them, it is also due to our children, to make that work as pleasant as is compatible with a fair degree of efficiency. The contro- versy has arrived at an unsatisfactory stage. It has either gone too far, or it has not gone far enough. If the complaints of the school- masters are well grounded, then the sooner a remedy is found, the better for all. If, on the other hand, those complaints are frivolous and groundless, no time should be lost in proving to the public that they are unworthy of their consideration. In any case, steps should be at once taken to restore that sym- pathy and confidence which should exist between inspector and teachers. We would, therefore, suggest that both parties should join in asking the Bishop of the Diocese to convene a special meeting of the Diocesan Board of Education for the purpose of making a thorough enquiry into the whole matter. Such a course, we think, would be the likeliest to effectually and satisfactorily stop the leakage of energy which is illustated in this controversy—a leakage which Churchmen in j Wales at the present time can ill afford. I

NEW YEAR'S GIFTS. Although at this time of the year there is seasonable benevolence, there is also great want in the remote places of Wales. What is required is a local charity organization society, to which those in distress could apply, and through which those who have the means and will to help their fellows might be sure of not being imposed upon. For the dread of imposition prevents much kindness. Some supplementary power is needed where the poor laws cannot go, for the greatest poverty, and often the most deserving, lies outside their reach, as when it falls suddenly and is very helpless. In almost all neighbourhoods a kind of harmful almsgiving exists side by side with the unheard claims of bitinw poverty. For while deserving need suffers silently, and in unutterable sadness shrinks away, the loud beggar laughs. Yet we do not condemn indiscriminate almsgiving in the wholesale customary fashion for often the distress that might result from a refusal to assist one well deserving case would outweigh whatever distress an ill-judged gift might per- petuate or to put in another way-we would prefer that ten undeserving cases should be helped than that one Lazarus should go with. out. But a via media were that of a com- mittee enlisted from different parts, whose duty and pleasure should be to investigate cases of all kinds, discuss methods, control funds, and kindle sympathy, so that in winter the poor in the far places of our lonelv hill* should be remembered by the warm firesides of our town houses, and all might know that that there was one association of warm- hearted men and women, whose work and duty and pleasure it was to take care of the poor a kind of public head. We know places far from railway stations and cheap stores, where the old-fashioned evils of cold and hunger linger long into the spring, where blankets, and flannels, and coals are much needed, and where poverty is honest, and good food is almost a luxury, when the children are blowing on their finger-tips. It is these places that require attention. They are doubly out in the cold. It will hardly bq