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DISESTABLISHMENT FOR WALES.

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DISESTABLISHMENT FOR WALES. MR D. A. THOMAS, M.P., ON THE CHURCH. In Monday's Times an important letter appears from Mr D. A. Thomas, M.P., on the subject of Disestablishment in Wales. The non. member for Merthyr writes The statements made by Conservative members in the course of the recent disestablishment debate appear to have produce a greater effect upon you than they ar" hkcly to have in Wales, where the facts era known. We do not base our special claim for consideration in this matter sclely or mainly on the ground that the Church in Wales has failed and is outnumbered by any rival body, though such id undoubtedly the case, but on the ground that the Church has long ceased to be the national Church, not only by reason of the small number of her adherents, but also by reason of the character of that small minority. Wc claim separate treatment on the principle laid down by thg present Duke of Devonshire as applicable to the case of Scotland, and which presumably carries the Unionist leader, Mr Chamberlain, into the division lobby with us and when Mr Addison and others, who recognise the claim of Ireland and Scotland to be considered a nation, deny it to Wales, we appeal to a higher authority than Mr Addison, and one that carries greater weight with the Conservative party—that of Lord Salisbury, who not long ago said, If ever there was a people who were a separate nationality it is the Welsh." And now as to the smallness and character of the minority. We who are familiar with Wales, and have the evidence of our own senses, require no statistics on the point. If you can imagine the feeling of English Protestants were they compelled to refute over and over again an asser- tion that the majority of English people were Roman Catholics, you will be able to realise the feeling of Welshmen in replying to Church Defence statements. But I will not ask you to take the word of one of those Welsh members whom the paid agent of the Church Defence Association in the House of Commons the other night charged with "constant, per- sistent, unswerving, and unscrupulous mis- representation." I prefer to give the opinion of two distinguished Welsh clergy- men. The late Rector of Merthyr, who, perhaps, it is only fair to say, was in favour of Welsh Disestablishment, wrcte :—" It does seew tome a great injustice that two-tenths of the people should have all the money for religious purposes which was clearly intended for all the tenths." Why should we, who are really the gentry, and our dependents, monopolise the whole of it ? For really there are very few churches in Wales of which you can say there are anything else than the genteel and their followers." And again, ''lb is a rich man's church. The j>eor man turned hi3 back upon it a hundred years ago." There yo<u have the experience of the lata Hector tf Merthyr. He puts the minority at one-fifth of the whole population, and describes its nature. It would require a Byron Reed to come forward and say that the Church, in Merthyr, at any rate, has made progress since the death of the Rev John Griffith. We believe the proportion to be far less that one- fifth, and it is no evidence to the contrary to point to the proportion of votes polled for Con- servative candidates at Parliamentary elections. The Disestablishment question is admittedly the burning one in Wales, but there are many con- siderations, personal and other, which enter into the contest, and of those who lay stress upon this argument, I would ask, How are we to count the votes when both candidates favour Disestablishment ? Are we to regard the 120,000 inhabitants of the Merthyr Boroughs as solid for disestablishment because at the last contested election on an old register over 12,000 electors out of a possible 15,000 went to the poll and voted for candidates both of whom were pledged and gave every prominence to disestablishment ? But let me give you the evidence of Archdeacon Howell, of Wrexham. A couple of years ago he preached at St. Margaret's, Westminster, a sermon that may be described as one preached by a high dignitary of the Welsh Church almost within the shadow of the walls of the House of Commons. Above all other causes was the weakness of the Church due," said he, "to the fact that so muuh of the best blood of the nation no longer ran In her veins." Those who were banded together for tho dis- establishment and disendowment of the Church were men of unquestioned religious character,whose lives boro witness to their piety and sincerity and with regard to the unquestionable fact that the majority of the people were not found within the pale of the Church, there was the equally unquestionable fact that her adherents were largely made up of English settlers and Anglicized Welshmen, not of the Welsh-speaking masses, who held the future of the Principality in their hands. Hence it was that her opponents spoke of her not as historically an alien Church, but as now the Church of aliens." There, sir, you have the character of the majority and minority from the lips of a Churchman and the opinion of a high dignitary that in one sense, at least, the Welsh Church is alien. The Bishop of St. Asaph says no respectable person, save Mr Stuart Kendel, now sjieaks of the Church as alien, but I must leave the Bishop to settle this point with his Archdeacon. Mr D. A. Thomas then deals with the alleged progress of the Church it* Wales in recent years, and winds up a powerful letter as follows :— In conclusion, sir, let me say that I should be very sorry indeed to minimise the efforts which the clergy are putting forward to-day in W ale, to redeem the neglect, and worse, of their predecessors, and to try and stave off the in- evitable day of religious equality but what we desire to point out is that the progress of the Church in Wales is to a large extent one of bricks and mortar, and the so-called revival but a re- vival of church pows-a revival which has absolutely nothing in common with those great outbursts of religious feeling and spiritual enthusiasm, which have, from tiine to time, during tho past couple of centuries, swept over Wales and made it her proud boast that her people are to-day the most 'religious in the Empire.

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