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RESUMED HEARING. On Mondav morning before the Mayor, Messrs. E. Laws, F. N. Eailton, E. H. Tuck, and C. Farley, the accused were again placed in the dock and charged with obtaining 10s. 6d. from Miss Beard by false pretences. On the sheet there was entered against them a second charge of obtaining a similar sum from Mr Percy Edward Yeomans, dentist, 13, High Street, Tenby, on September 1st, under the same circumstances as in the case of Miss Beard, but this charge was proceeded with separately after the first had been disposed of.. The evidence of Sergeant Thomas, as given at Saturday's hearing, was read over, neither of the accused having any questions to ask on same. The first witness called for the prosecution WflMisB Florence Lucy Oaten, manageress of the Royal Gate House Hotel, Tenby, who said, that to her knowledge two young men did not call at the Gate House IIotel to solicit subscriptions. Within the last week she had not subscribed a guinea towards any football club, nor bad she done so this season neither within her knowledge had anyone assisting in the management of the hotel given anything. They would not be permitted to do so without first obtaining her consent, as she checked all payments. With regard to the entry in the book produced Gate House Hotel, £1 Is., she did not write it, nor was it the writing of any- one else at the hotel. The accused said they had no questions to ask. Mons. Thierry-Mougnard, proprietor of the Imperial Hotel, Tenby, the next witness examined, said he remembered two young men calling upon him recently and presenting a book. He could not fix the exact date, as he had nothing to do it by. He saw the same two young men in court that day. When they called they asked for a subscription—ho thought it was Buckland, who said "Will you subscribe to our book," and at the same time pulled a book out of his pocket. Witness said "What is it for?" and Buckland replied that it was to help a football club. He may have told witness what football club it was, but he did not remember. He did not grasp it, and he did not want to he was not interested. He did not give anything towards this particular club neither did he authorize anyone at his hotel to do so. He did not think the book produced was the same as shown to him by the accused. The Cobonrg Hotel" was written down, but in the book now produced it was the name "Mrs Huehes He was doubtful whether it was the same book, which he thought much thinner. He did not write" Imperial Hotel, £1 Is. nor did he subscribe a guinea. Nobody in his home wrote that name or subscribed a guinea. Griffiths said he had no questions to ask. Buckland—Did I tell you it was a local club ? Witness—I cannot say. Miss Harriet Augusta Beard, proprietress of the Lion Hotel, Tenby, said she remembered the 31st of last month, on which date two young men called at her hotel to solicit subscriptions for a football club. The two young men who called were those in the dock. They told her they were soliciting subscriptions for the Penally Football Club that their ground was at Penally, and that they would be coming there shortly. They pro- duced a book which contained signatures. She could remember the bate House Hotel, the Imperial Hotel, and Mrs Hughes being down in it. The book now handed her was the book which they produced. The items Gate House Hotel, Imperial Hotel, and Mrs Hughes were on the book, the first two as having given a guinea each, and Mrs Hughes 10s. 6d. The book was exactly the same as now down to her signature. Mr Railton, examining the book, remarked that it did not state that it was the Penally Club which was written down in it. Miss Beard-That was what they told me. She added, that seeing the three names of the hotels mentioned as having contributed liberally, and that the accused told her it was the Penally Club, she was induced to give something, and accordingly subscribed 10s. 6d. She believed it was a genuine concern. The signature in the book was her's. The accused did not give her any receipt for the money. Had the accused asked her to contribute towards a club at Cardiff Llanelly, or any other place away, she would not have contributed anything at all. Grifnths— We never told her that. Superintendent Thomas—Ask her any ques- ^The Clej-k—Ycu will be allowed presently to make a statement. ,) Griffiths—Did we ask you to subscribe towards local club ? Witness—You didn't mention the word local, but gave me quite to understand that it was a local club.. Buckland — She misunderstood the word Pentlepore" for Penally. I don't know the place. (To the witness)—Do you remember me in your house during that week ? I was in your house practically every day since I was in Tenby, drinking. Witness—I don't know. IJuckland-Did you hear that I had come in a char-a-banc ? Witness—No, I didn't. Mr Hugh William Cumming Angell, gentleman, residing at 7. Giltar Terrace, Penally, said he was an all-round athlete, and had been living at Penally two years. He took a very great interest in cricket and other sport. There was a cricket club at Penally, of which he was the captain. If he had a chance he would play football, but there was no football club at Penally. As a matter of fact, it was non-existent, neither was there any talk of one being formed there, if so he would possibly know; probably he would be the promoter of it. Buckland-Have you ever seen us before? Witness—Never. Nora Williams, who said she was fifteen years of age, lived at 4, Quarry Cottages, Tenby, and was the daughter of Police Constable Williams, gave evidence to the effect that she was in service at Mrs Holmes's, 3, Frog Street, Tenby. She re- membered two young men lodging there recently, and she now saw them in the dock. She remem- bered the day (it was last Friday) that Sergeant Thomas and P.C. Davies called at the house. On that day she remembered seeing the two young men going away with them. Shortly after they went away she found on the couch in the front room, where the two young men had been, the book produced. When she found it there were pillows covering it. It was in the sitting-room they had been occupying. She saw the book being taken away by P.C. Davies afterwards. Buckland said he did not like the way in which Sergeant Thomas put the question about the book it looked as if he infered that they had put the pillows on it to hide it. Sergeant Thomas-I infer nothing, I simply asked where it was found. Buckland—It is quite correct what she says. Police Con table David Davies (40) said he re- membered last Friday, September 2nd, when he accompanied Sergeant Thomas to the house of Mrs Holmes in Frog Street. He was present when the Sergeant arrested the two accused, and he accompanied him to the Police Station with them. Immediately afterwards he (witness) was directed to go to Mrs Holmes's house for the purpose of seeking for the accused's belongings. The book now produced was handed to him by Mrs Holmes, the last witness being present in the room at the time. He took it to the Police Station, and accompanied the Sergeant into the cell where the accused were confined. He heard the conversa- tion which took place between them and the Ser- geant, who asked them if they identified the book. They said yes," and in turn said It belongs to both of us we don't intend to deny it." Buckland said, "We may tell, you, Sergeant, we only received one of the amounts entered there. We wrote the others down ourselves." The accused said they bad no questions to ask. Mr Laws-Did you find anything else besides the book ? Witness—No, that was the only thing. Sergeant Thomas remarked that that was not exactly the only thing, for, as he had stated in his former evidence, he found 61d. on each of them. Mr Laws-They had no luggage ? Sergeant Thomas-Nothing whatever. In reply to the usual questions, both the accused elected to be dealt with by that Court, and both said they would like to give evidence on oath. They pleaded "Not guilty." Buckland then went into the witness-box to be sworn, when the Clerk said he supposed he quite understood what he was doing in giving evidence on oath. Buckland said he perfectly understood what he was doing, and that if he told untruths he would be punished. He was then sworn, and in the course of a statement said that in the first place lie pleaded guilty to receiving the money, but did not intend to defraud. Proceeding, he said they both went into the Gate House Hotel, where they saw a young lady booking clerk, and asked to see Mr Gregory. They were told that he was in London for all she knew. They did not ask for any subscription. -At this stage the accused asked that the evidence of Mons. Thierry-Mougnard might be read over, and this was accordingly done by the Clerk. With regard to their call at the Imperial Hotel they distinctly told the proprietor that they were only a visiting team, and also asked if they could write him afterwards so as to give him time to think it over. The same thing applied to Mrs Hughes, of the Cobourg Hotel. M. Thierry- Mougnard answered him and said that the matter did not interest him personally. Sergeant Thomas (cross-examining)—When did you come to Tenby ? Buckland-Last Tuesday. Which way did you come?-By motor cliar-a- bano from Llandilo. Anyone else besides you ?—Thirty-two. What time did you arrive in Tenby?—About two to half past, You home is not at Llandilo ?—My home is at Morriston. When did you leave there ?—Three weeks ago. Where have you spent the whole of your time since you left there until comiug to Tenby ?— Touring. Where ?—Right through the valley from Morris- ton, right up to Llandilo. I have done every little place. In what manner were you touring, motoring or cycling ?—Walking, we drove the last seven miles by trap. Where was that from ?—Sarneil to Llandilo. Where you touring when you came to Tenby? -Yes, we joined the Licensed Victuallers' Outing at Llandilo. We were asked to, and we came. Did you return with them ?-No, we didn't. We lost the char-a-banc. Was the accused Griffiths with you the whole time ?—Yes. From the time you started touring ?—No, not from the time I left Morriston. When did you come in touch ?—At Pontardawe. Was it a month ago ?-It could not very well be a month. I have not got a solicitor with me. I object to the question. Will you kindly tell me when you met Griffiths? —I have distinctly told you that I don't remem- ber the date. Is it a week ago ?—No, more than week. Is it a fortnight ago ?-No, I can't go any nearer. Did you meet Griffiths before August 27th?— No. Well, come, you remember when the 27th of August was?—No, I can't remember. Very well, don't get annoyed about it. Can you remember when it was ?-No, I can't. Accused added something about it being his britliday on August 26th. The 27th was on a Saturday, last Saturday week. I want to get at this very particularly. What date was it you came to Tenby?—I don't know. I know it was on a Tuesday. Well, the 27th was on a Saturday, last Saturday week. You reckon it. I don't want to put it into your mouth. What date was last Tuesday ?—I don't know. It is not necessary for me to say. I want an answer, please.—Well, I am simply telling you I don't know. Why didn't you return from Tenby with the Licensed Victuallers ?—Because they arranged to start back at half-past six, and we didn't get back in time. They didn't wait owing to the incle- mency of the weather. Had you prepaid your fare ?-Yes, double 'journey 9s. 6d. The tickets can be here produced in Court. Did you have any money of your own ?—Yes, certainly I had. Did you have sufficient money to have taken you to Llandilo by train ?—Yes, certainly I had. And your friend with you ?—Oh, yes, he had some money. I don't say he had so much as me I don't know what he had. Who supplies you with this money ? — My parents as a rule I work for it. What is the nature of the work you perform ?— Going about dock-yard sales buying all kinds of metals, iron and steel scrap. For who ?-For my father. Were you with your father at the last dock- yard sale at Pembroke-Dock ?-I was not. I was supposed to be on my holidays then. How long do you take in the year as a rest 1-1 generally take a month. (Laughter.) The house is generally locked up for a month, I may say. Instead of going for a holiday I thought I would tour round locally. Is your father and you on good terms ?—Yes. We just get an occasional quarrel. Is the relationship between you and your father such that he has had to send you abroad ?-No, certainly not! I think you have been to Canada ?-Ycs. Is it not a fact that your father supplied you with money and sent you away ?—No, whoever said that is prevaricating. Well, I am asking you. Have you been to South Africa ?-Yps. How long there ?—Two years. Did you go on your own there ?-Yes. Did your father provide you with money ?-The accused replied that he was an apprentice on a full-rigged ship, and was understood to say that when in Cape Town he ran away. Mr Laws, at this stage of the cross-examination, said he did not know that these questions were quite right. Sergeant Thomas said he wished to show that this young man was short of money. Buckland—I only had to write home if I wanted any money. Is it not a fact that your father and you are on bad terms ?—No, certainly not! Is it not a fact that you are looked upon in your home as the black sheep of your family ? Both Mr Laws and the accused objected to this question. Have you been convicted before?—I have been brought up, but never convicted. Were you brought up for stealing two cycles at Llanelly ?—I was discharged. Are you sure ?—At least I thought I was. It is two or three years ago. Were you on that occasion bound over?—1 know I was dismissed. I was there only a second. Were you bound over in the sum of £ 10?—No. You say you had no intention of fraud when you came to Tenby ?—Certainly not! You see (showing him the subscription book) that this is described as the Lansdowne Club, with captain, secretary, treasurer, etc. Did you write that ?—No, I really didn't write that. Can you tell me who wrote it? Griffiths (from the dock)—I did. Sergeant Thomas then closely questioned the accused as to the item in the book of £4 6s. 8d. paid in by club members. Was this a fact, he asked. Buckland—Yes, and the balance-sheet can be shown of last year's. Who is supposed to have written that in?—I don't know. How did the book come into your possession ?— Because my friend is captain. It is not a League team?—No. Accused was understood to add that his father's brother was chairman of the Swansea District League. With regard to this sum of £4 6s. 8d.—I swear this sum has been paid in for this season. Do you mean to tell me that a secretary of a club weuld write that in lead pencil?—(No, answer.) Gate House Hotel, one guinea," who wrote that ?—My friend. I wrote the Imperial Hotel for one guinea. The accused then went into an ex- planation about the present book not being the same one as was taken to the Imperial Hotel. Pressed further as to the contents of the book, the accused said that when they came to Tenby they thought it would not be a bad idea to get a couple of subscriptions for the club, and so set about doing it. They put these names down in the book in order that they might be brought before their committee. With regard to Miss Beard's subscription he never used the word Penally when he got it. She must have mistaken Pentlepore for Penally. The reason why he in- serted the Imperial Hotel was simply with the idea of writing M. Thierry-Mougnard. He did not tell Miss Beard that he bad received a guinea from the Imperial Hotel, neither did he show her the book until she asked to see it. He put all the hotels in the place on the book, so as to write them and put them in front of the committee. He didn't see all the people he wanted to see. Sergeant Thomas—Did you see George Ace ? Buckland (in astonishment) — Who is he ? (Laughter.) His name is here?—Yes, the name is entered, he is one of our best subscribers. Did you see Mr George Ace whose name is written here with paid" opposite it?—No. Why was paid put opposite it ?—Because he always subscribes. Didn't you see Mrs Ace ?—I swear I have never seen Mrs Ace in my life. Is Mrs Ace in Court ? (looking round) I will swear before my Almighty God that I didn't approach Mrs Ace. I don't know her. Didn't you speak to a lady on the doorstep of Connaught House, Tenby ?—I swear on my oath I didn't. Didn't you speak to a Mrs Chappell?—Perhaps my friend will know. Questioned as regards Mr Yeomans' subscrip- tion, the accused stoutly maintained that he did not tell him it was the Penally Football Club. Superintendent Thomas (to the Clerk)—You bad better warn him. Sergeant Thomas—Didn't you distinctly tell Mr Yeomans that you were collecting subscriptions for the Penally Football Club ? And didn't you tell him that the whole of the members of the club were patients of his ? Didn't you tell him at the same time that you were thinking about having a new set of teeth ? Accused denied the first two questions, but with regard to the new teeth said That is so; I am, too." You received 10s. 6d. from Mrs Beard, what have you done with it ?—Sent it home. To whom ?—Mr Sydney Harries, treasurer of tho Lansdowne Rugby Football Club. His address, please?—17, Springfield Terrace, Morriston. When did you send it?—The day following. How did you send it—by money order, postal order, or how ?—Neither by messenger. Who?—A member of the club. What date?—I really don't know the date; it was on the day after we got the money from Miss Beard. What is the name of the member who took the money ?—Arthur Davies, Tirpendre, Morriston. Didn't he give you a receipt for it?—No; what for ? I pay a shilling a week to the club myself, and I don't get a receipt for it. Questioned with respect to Mr Yeomans' sub- scription, the accused admitted he had spent that money in all kinds of enjoyment." With re- gard to the payment of the lodgings at Mrs Holmes's she proposed herself that they should pay each night. They made no representation to her of being the advance party of the So and So's," though it was true they did tell her they were boxers. (Laughter.) Griffiths then went into the witness-box, and on oath denied that he was guilty of obtaining the money with fraudulent intent, though he admitted receiving it. In reply to Mr Railton, he said that the reason why the names were written down in the book was so that a letter could be sent to them again. By Mr Farley—He was the captain of the Lansdowne Football Club. In the course of cross-examination by Sergeant Thomas, the accused said he left home on the previous Monday, and met Buckland accidentally at Pontardawe. When he left home he intended going to Llandilo, and proceeded there with Buck- land, whom he asked to accompany him. They arrived in Tenby the following day (Tuesday), and if Buckland said they were four or five days at Llandilo he (Griffiths) was unable to reconcile that statement with his own. Sergeant Thomas—I suppose you took an equal part with Buckland in writing these names down and endeavouring to obtain subscriptions for the football club ? Griffiths-Yes. Are these contributions paid in ?—Yes. Sure ?—Yes. Where did you get this book from in the first place ?—Morriston. Who gave it you ?—The secretary. Is that the secretary's writing ?—Yes. Do you mean to tell me he wrote that in black- lead ?—Yes. What is his name?—Sid. Harries, 17, Spring- field Street, Morriston. Did he give you the book for the express pur- pose of collecting or soliciting subscriptions towards that club ?—No, sir. Will you tell me for what purpose he gave you that book ?—To collect anywhere, wherever we spent our holidays. Did he write paid by the club members' sub- scriptions ?—Yes. That is his writing?—Yes. Who wrote Gate House Hotel" ?—I did. You put one guinea there ?■—(No answer.) Who wrote Imperial Hotel" ?—Buckland. Who wrote George Ace ?—I did. And paid ?—Yes. Did you see Mr George Ace?—No, sir. Did you receive from him 10s. 6d. ?—No, sir. Has 10s. 6d. been paid by him ?■—No. Did you call at Mr George Ace's—No. Do you know the Hilton Hotel t—Yea. Do you know the house next door?—Yes. Whose house is that?—George Ace's we never called. Did you see a lady standing on the doorstep one day ?—No, sir. Do you solicit subscriptions from her ?—No, sir. Who wrote Mrs Hughes ?—Buckland. I see he has disguised his hand there. Did you get 10s. 6d. from Mrs Hughes? You were pre- sent you know; can you tell me why you put it down there ?—(No answer.) Do you know Mrs Chappell?—No, sir. Who wrote it?—I don't know. You see there is 5s. ?—Yes. Have you had 5s. ?—No. Do you remember calling on Mr Yeomans ?—Yes. What did you tell him ?—That it was the Lansdowne Football Club, Pentlepore. How many times did you call at Mr Yeomans' house ?—Twice. Didn't you call three times ?—No. Didn't you tell Mr Yeomans that you were collecting for the Penally Club?—No, the Pentle- pore Club. Will you swear that you didn't tell him that you were collecting subscriptions for the Penally Footbail Club ?—Yes, I swear it upon my oath. In the course of further cross-examination, the accused gave an emphatic denial to the suggestion that he told Mr Yeomans members of the Penally Football Club were patients of his. The first 10s. 6d. they sent to the secretary, but the last one they spent. At this stage (1.30 p.m.) the Mayor announced that the Court stood adjourned until three o'clock.



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