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Colwxjn Ba9 District Council. A LIVELY MEETING. THE GAS AND ELECTRICITY CONCERNS. Light Railway Extension Scheme. The monthly meeting of the Colwyn Bay Urban District Council was held on Tuesday afternoon, when there were present Messrs. D. 'Gamble (in the chair), Joseph Dicken, T. H. Morgan, W. Davies, George Bevan, D. 0. Wil- liams, Hugh Hughes, (Rev.) William Hughes, T. Hoskins, Dr. F. L. Wood, Messrs. T. E. Purdy, Edward Aliens, Samuel Jones, W. Hor- ton, T. R. Davies, J. Berth Jones, Hugh Davies, and W. Greenfield; with the Clerk (Mr. James Amphlett), the Deputy Clerk and Accountant (Mr. Jos. H. Roberts), the Engineer and Surveyor (Mr. William Jones), the Medical Officer of "Health (Dr. Venables Williams), the Sanitary Inspector ,(Mr. Lewis Jones), and other officials. There was also a good attendance of rate- payers. THE LIGHT RAILWAY. On the reading of the minutes of the last meeting, Mr. Purdy asked whether anything had been received from the Light Railway Company with respect to the request of the Council to grant every facility to enable users of the tram- way to get off and on at the Rhos Golf House. He thought it was an urgent matter for .the benefit of Colwyn Bay. The Clerk said there was no communication from the Company, but a further letter had been received from Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. William) Davies said there were. a great many complaints about the conduct of the offi- cials all along the route of the trams. They did not stop at the proper places, and he thought the attention of the Company ought to be drawn to it. There were also complaints about the way the guards conducted themselves with passe lgers. The Chairman did not think the Council had any locus standi, becauset the complaint should be made to the directors of the Company. Mr. Davies But they have had! power from the Council to go along the route, and surely they can conduct ihemselves properly with pas- sengers and visitors. At a later stage of the meeting a letter was read from Mr. Henry Goldsmith, Rhos, thanking the Council for attempting to remedy the exist- ing state of affairs at the Golf House at Rhos. MINUTES FOR RATEPAYERS. Mr. W. Greenfield called attention to the fact that there was a rule some years ago whereby ratepayers could procure a copy of the minutes of the Council for .sixpence, in order that they might be able to follow the discussions at the meeting of the Council. He should like to know whether that rule was still in force. He thought it advisable that the ratepayers should! see what tifae Council were doing. The Chairman said he was informed that there was .no. such rule in existence, but it was quite competent for the Council to pass any resolu- tion on the question Mr. W. Davies said that the reason that the resolution was withdrawn1 was that there were misprints in the minutes. Mr. D. O. Williams raised a point of ordier, and said that this question should be brought up in the general business at the conclusion of the meeting. MEMBERS AND THE PRESS. On the report of the Lighting Committee be. ing presented relative to the gas investigation, Mr. T. E. Purdy said he should like to refer to a paragraph which appeared in a daily paper, and it was his painful duty to inform the Coun- cil that it was one iof the members of the Light- ing Committee who gave the information away. Whether he gave it to be published or not, he was not prepared to say, but it was Mr. Bevan who gave it away. Mr. Bevan gave the infor- mation. which was word for word produced in the paper. He was sorry to have to say,so, but Mr. Bevan owed an, apology for giving five in- formation away without asking the Council. Mr. Bevan: I should like to know who I gave the information to. I gave no information away, I can say that. The member is distinctly wrongly informed. I never let anything out of my possession. Mr. Purdy: I don't wish to argue with Mr. Bevan, but unfortunately I have evidence that I can prove it. I say he gave the information away, and it is a gieat pity that a gentleman in his position should have thought fit to do so- perhaps, inadvertently. I don,'t wish to say he did it wilfully. Mr. Bevan: I have no recollection. I should like to know the particulars. Mr. Purdy. If Mr. Bevan. wishes it, I can prove the statement. Mr. Bevan: I should like you to prove it. Mr. Purdy: I can give you all the particulars, unfortunately. Mr. Bevan I should like it proved now. It is an accusation against me of giving away the secrets of the Committee, and I wish it proved at once. Rev. W. Hughes said that some of the mem- bers of the Council felt annoyed that it should go to the public before they got it themselves. It was very wrong for any member to give in- formation which had not previously come before the Council. Mr. Bevan What paragraph does Mr. Purdy refer to? Mr. Purdy: I refer to, a paragraph which ap- peared in a Liverpool and Manchester paper. Mr. Bevan: Please read it. I have not seen it. You should have brought it here to prove your accusation up to the hilt. Mr. Dicken There was a paragraph which appeared in the Rhos paper, and I fe-el-positive that that would not be from Mr. Bevan. Mr. Bevan: There have been conversations about rthis, but about giving the report to the papers, it is absolutely untrue. Mr. Purdy: I did not say so. Mr. Bevan: Then what are you grumblin; about ? The Chairman: Mr. Purdy, I think it only right to the members of the Council ancTto Mr. Bevan! that you should prove your statement. Mr. Purdy One of our friends the members of the Press, particularly one, Mr Howells Jones, heard the information given by Mr. Bevan. The Chairman: Heard it given him person- ally? Mr. Purdy: Given to another person. Mr. Bevan That was an eavesdropper. Mr. Dicken I don't think there is much in it. The only thing I was about to say was that a paper like the one at 'Rhos gave the informa- tion, and where that thing should have it, a respectable paper could not get it. Mr. Bevan think Mr Purdy owes me an apology. He has accused me of giving informa- tion to the Press, and now we find out it is a conversation that has been overheard by a pressman. I am sur-e that accusation ought not to be made in such a tragic manner, and trying to make believe that some awful crime had been committed by me. Nothing of the sort has been done, and I am sure I should be the last to wil- fully give information if the Committee did not wish it. I have always endeavoured to carry out the rules of our discussion loyally, and I have done for twenty years, and now to come and be accused by a man like Mr. Purdy, whose word, I am sorry to say, I cannot rely upon. I found statements made at this table that have not been true, and I can prove them. Mr. Purdy .said it now appeared to be a per- sonal matter. He had made a statement, and was prepared to prove it. He would not men- tion names unless it were necessary. Rev. W. Hughesj I have something to do with a little paper in the town here, and' I did not see anything in.. Mr. Bevan: I am not going to allow it to drop. Mr. Purdy must give a better explana- tion than he has done. The Chairman I have) given Mr. Purdy an opportunity. Mr. Bevan You have given him an oppor- tunity of making an accusation against me, and he must withdraw. Mr. W. HowellSj Jones (a member of the Press) May I say a word, being that my name has been mentioned? Mr. Purdy I trust he will. The Chairman But it is very irregular. Mr. W. Davies An accusation has been made, and there is a reporter mentioned. He is here, and surely you ought to have him to correct this, so that the thing will go no further, and no more mischief done. Mr. Purdy Certainly. The Chairman: There is only one way of -settling it, and that is by asking the Council to decide whether they will receive the statement of the gentlemen of IGhe Press. A vote was taken, when eleven voted in favour of the gentlemen, of the Press being heard. Mr. ,'Howells Jones: The question was put to me as to how the paragraph which appeared in the Guardian came to be there I happened to be here the evening that the information was given by Mr. Bevan to Mr. Brocklehurst, and the information that I heard given by Mr Bevan was virtually what appeared, in the paper, and naturally the inference was that Mr. Beyan gave the information, for publication. Mr. Bevan,: What did appear in the papers? I have not seen anything. Mr. Howells Jones: Why do you challenge the veracity of the .statement when: you do not know what it is? Mr. Chairman, Mr. Bevan has no business to challenge the veracity of the statement if he does not know what it is. Mr. Bevan I have given, no information to the Press. The Chairman: Will you acknowledge that you spoke to. Mr. Brocklehurst on the question,? Mr. Bevan No. The Chairman You, deny that Mr. Brockle- hurst had any information from you? Mr. Brocklehurst: I may say here that I did not get that information from Mr. Bevan, and the conversation which Mr. Howells Jones re- fers to now took place subsequent to the pub- lication of the paragraph. The ;Rev. W. Hughes I think it is wrong for anyone having a conversation to publish any- thing without permission. Mr. Bevan is quite clear from Mr. Brocklehurst's statement. Mr. Bevan: The result is that when Mr. Brocklehurst had the conversation, Mr. Jones was an eavesdropper, and Mr. Purdy has been misled, and should withdraw. I spoke to Mr. Brocklehurst. Mr. Howells Jones: I resent that statement that I was an eavesdropper. It is a most insult- ing remark, and unworthy of Mr. Bevan. Mr. Bevan That is how the news came out. Mr. Howells Jones You spoke to -.three re- porters, and you did it deliberately with the intention of the statement being published. Mr. Brocklehurst: In that conversation Mr. Howells Jones referred to Mr. Bevan -did not say what I sent to (the papers. We were dis- cussing the question in a joking sort of way. The Chairman:! I am very sorry to see that any member of the Committee or the staff has given information to the Press, which he should not have given, and this is not the first time that it has been done at this Council. I hope the members of the different Committees will take their duty seriously and understand that information they receive is not public property until it is presented to. the Council as a body. I tihink the matter had better drop now. Mr. Bevan But won't you ask the member to withdraw ? The Chairman He says he can substantiate the statement. Mr. Bevan But it has been denied' by the source. Mr. Brocklehurst now says that the in- formation came from Mr. Frost, and Mr. Frost had a printed copy handed to him,. I absolutely deny giving1 information to anybody or particu- lars to anybody. I don't deny I have had con- versations outside about the general purport of the report, but as for giving it the Press or any- thing of that sort, I absolutely deny, and Mr. Purdy is wrong, and he must withdraw, or I will find means to make him. Mr. Dicken That sterns to settle the whole thing. This paper at Rhos said they had the report in their hands. If one paper had the report in its hands, they could easily under- stand how it got to the others. Mr. W. Davies: It is very disagreeable to members when people come asking questions about this and the other. I have seen things happen in a committee on Tuesday and found it in this rotten paper at Rhos on. a Thursday. (Laughter.) It is a rotten thing, because it is corroded to the backbone. (Renewed laughter.) Mr. Greenfield said the grievous part of it was that mme memDers of the Council did not re- ceive the report at the same time as the others. The Chairman Mr. Bevan denies, the accusa- tion, and it rests upon you to substantiate it or withdraw. Mr. Purdy I made that statement on the in- formation received, and repeat that the infor- mation was given to me. and I believe it to be true. Mr. Bevan acknowledges he had a con- versation, and three witnesses, .say that he said that in the conversation I leave it at that. I am very sorry as regards the gentlemany con- duct mentioned. I hope I shall always be a gentleman. With the Council's permission, I will withdraw it on. the understanding that we keep our eyes open in the future. 'The matter was then allowed to drop. THE GAS INVESTIGATION AND THE ELECTRIC LIGHT UNDERTAKING. At a meeting of the Lighting Committee the report of the gas eXJperts (Messrs. Newbigging and1 Son) was produced and read-prints of same being in the hands of the members, and after discussing the several matters under notice it was resolved to instruct the Manager to sub- mit his observations thereon in writing by the next ordinary meeting of this Committee. The Clerk was directed to ask Messrs. Newbigging to suggest in what respect an improvement could be jnade in the qu-lity and price of coal. A letter was also read from Messrs. Newbig. ging and Son as to the assessment of the under- taking. At a later meeting of the same Committee the Manager presented his reply to. the report, and it was resolved that the same be taken into con- sideration at a further meeting of the Com- mittee. The Electric Light Manager presented and! read his observations on the report received from Mr. Hill concerning the electric undertak- ing. The like statement was presented and read by the Gas Manager in response to the report of Messrs. Newbigging and Son, le the gas under- taking. ,searching observations by the Committee were made in the course of the perusal of the reports, and it IWaJsí ultimately agreed to instruct the Clerk to forward a copy of the respective re- ports to Mr. Hill and Messrs. Newbigging and Son for their comment thereon, and to ask the latter if they could offer the Committee some practical suggestions on the matter, and to favour them with a response by Monday next.

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