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Colwxjn Ba9 District Council.I
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Colwxjn Ba9 District Council. A LIVELY MEETING. THE GAS AND ELECTRICITY CONCERNS. Light Railway Extension Scheme. The monthly meeting of the Colwyn Bay Urban District Council was held on Tuesday afternoon, when there were present Messrs. D. 'Gamble (in the chair), Joseph Dicken, T. H. Morgan, W. Davies, George Bevan, D. 0. Wil- liams, Hugh Hughes, (Rev.) William Hughes, T. Hoskins, Dr. F. L. Wood, Messrs. T. E. Purdy, Edward Aliens, Samuel Jones, W. Hor- ton, T. R. Davies, J. Berth Jones, Hugh Davies, and W. Greenfield; with the Clerk (Mr. James Amphlett), the Deputy Clerk and Accountant (Mr. Jos. H. Roberts), the Engineer and Surveyor (Mr. William Jones), the Medical Officer of "Health (Dr. Venables Williams), the Sanitary Inspector ,(Mr. Lewis Jones), and other officials. There was also a good attendance of rate- payers. THE LIGHT RAILWAY. On the reading of the minutes of the last meeting, Mr. Purdy asked whether anything had been received from the Light Railway Company with respect to the request of the Council to grant every facility to enable users of the tram- way to get off and on at the Rhos Golf House. He thought it was an urgent matter for .the benefit of Colwyn Bay. The Clerk said there was no communication from the Company, but a further letter had been received from Mr. Goldsmith. Mr. William) Davies said there were. a great many complaints about the conduct of the offi- cials all along the route of the trams. They did not stop at the proper places, and he thought the attention of the Company ought to be drawn to it. There were also complaints about the way the guards conducted themselves with passe lgers. The Chairman did not think the Council had any locus standi, becauset the complaint should be made to the directors of the Company. Mr. Davies But they have had! power from the Council to go along the route, and surely they can conduct ihemselves properly with pas- sengers and visitors. At a later stage of the meeting a letter was read from Mr. Henry Goldsmith, Rhos, thanking the Council for attempting to remedy the exist- ing state of affairs at the Golf House at Rhos. MINUTES FOR RATEPAYERS. Mr. W. Greenfield called attention to the fact that there was a rule some years ago whereby ratepayers could procure a copy of the minutes of the Council for .sixpence, in order that they might be able to follow the discussions at the meeting of the Council. He should like to know whether that rule was still in force. He thought it advisable that the ratepayers should! see what tifae Council were doing. The Chairman said he was informed that there was .no. such rule in existence, but it was quite competent for the Council to pass any resolu- tion on the question Mr. W. Davies said that the reason that the resolution was withdrawn1 was that there were misprints in the minutes. Mr. D. O. Williams raised a point of ordier, and said that this question should be brought up in the general business at the conclusion of the meeting. MEMBERS AND THE PRESS. On the report of the Lighting Committee be. ing presented relative to the gas investigation, Mr. T. E. Purdy said he should like to refer to a paragraph which appeared in a daily paper, and it was his painful duty to inform the Coun- cil that it was one iof the members of the Light- ing Committee who gave the information away. Whether he gave it to be published or not, he was not prepared to say, but it was Mr. Bevan who gave it away. Mr. Bevan gave the infor- mation. which was word for word produced in the paper. He was sorry to have to say,so, but Mr. Bevan owed an, apology for giving five in- formation away without asking the Council. Mr. Bevan: I should like to know who I gave the information to. I gave no information away, I can say that. The member is distinctly wrongly informed. I never let anything out of my possession. Mr. Purdy: I don't wish to argue with Mr. Bevan, but unfortunately I have evidence that I can prove it. I say he gave the information away, and it is a gieat pity that a gentleman in his position should have thought fit to do so- perhaps, inadvertently. I don,'t wish to say he did it wilfully. Mr. Bevan: I have no recollection. I should like to know the particulars. Mr. Purdy. If Mr. Bevan. wishes it, I can prove the statement. Mr. Bevan: I should like you to prove it. Mr. Purdy: I can give you all the particulars, unfortunately. Mr. Bevan I should like it proved now. It is an accusation against me of giving away the secrets of the Committee, and I wish it proved at once. Rev. W. Hughes said that some of the mem- bers of the Council felt annoyed that it should go to the public before they got it themselves. It was very wrong for any member to give in- formation which had not previously come before the Council. Mr. Bevan What paragraph does Mr. Purdy refer to? Mr. Purdy: I refer to, a paragraph which ap- peared in a Liverpool and Manchester paper. Mr. Bevan: Please read it. I have not seen it. You should have brought it here to prove your accusation up to the hilt. Mr. Dicken There was a paragraph which appeared in the Rhos paper, and I fe-el-positive that that would not be from Mr. Bevan. Mr. Bevan: There have been conversations about rthis, but about giving the report to the papers, it is absolutely untrue. Mr. Purdy: I did not say so. Mr. Bevan: Then what are you grumblin; about ? The Chairman: Mr. Purdy, I think it only right to the members of the Council ancTto Mr. Bevan! that you should prove your statement. Mr. Purdy One of our friends the members of the Press, particularly one, Mr Howells Jones, heard the information given by Mr. Bevan. The Chairman: Heard it given him person- ally? Mr. Purdy: Given to another person. Mr. Bevan That was an eavesdropper. Mr. Dicken I don't think there is much in it. The only thing I was about to say was that a paper like the one at 'Rhos gave the informa- tion, and where that thing should have it, a respectable paper could not get it. Mr. Bevan think Mr Purdy owes me an apology. He has accused me of giving informa- tion to the Press, and now we find out it is a conversation that has been overheard by a pressman. I am sur-e that accusation ought not to be made in such a tragic manner, and trying to make believe that some awful crime had been committed by me. Nothing of the sort has been done, and I am sure I should be the last to wil- fully give information if the Committee did not wish it. I have always endeavoured to carry out the rules of our discussion loyally, and I have done for twenty years, and now to come and be accused by a man like Mr. Purdy, whose word, I am sorry to say, I cannot rely upon. I found statements made at this table that have not been true, and I can prove them. Mr. Purdy .said it now appeared to be a per- sonal matter. He had made a statement, and was prepared to prove it. He would not men- tion names unless it were necessary. Rev. W. Hughesj I have something to do with a little paper in the town here, and' I did not see anything in.. Mr. Bevan: I am not going to allow it to drop. Mr. Purdy must give a better explana- tion than he has done. The Chairman I have) given Mr. Purdy an opportunity. Mr. Bevan You have given him an oppor- tunity of making an accusation against me, and he must withdraw. Mr. W. HowellSj Jones (a member of the Press) May I say a word, being that my name has been mentioned? Mr. Purdy I trust he will. The Chairman But it is very irregular. Mr. W. Davies An accusation has been made, and there is a reporter mentioned. He is here, and surely you ought to have him to correct this, so that the thing will go no further, and no more mischief done. Mr. Purdy Certainly. The Chairman: There is only one way of -settling it, and that is by asking the Council to decide whether they will receive the statement of the gentlemen of IGhe Press. A vote was taken, when eleven voted in favour of the gentlemen, of the Press being heard. Mr. ,'Howells Jones: The question was put to me as to how the paragraph which appeared in the Guardian came to be there I happened to be here the evening that the information was given by Mr. Bevan to Mr. Brocklehurst, and the information that I heard given by Mr Bevan was virtually what appeared, in the paper, and naturally the inference was that Mr. Beyan gave the information, for publication. Mr. Bevan,: What did appear in the papers? I have not seen anything. Mr. Howells Jones: Why do you challenge the veracity of the .statement when: you do not know what it is? Mr. Chairman, Mr. Bevan has no business to challenge the veracity of the statement if he does not know what it is. Mr. Bevan I have given, no information to the Press. The Chairman: Will you acknowledge that you spoke to. Mr. Brocklehurst on the question,? Mr. Bevan No. The Chairman You, deny that Mr. Brockle- hurst had any information from you? Mr. Brocklehurst: I may say here that I did not get that information from Mr. Bevan, and the conversation which Mr. Howells Jones re- fers to now took place subsequent to the pub- lication of the paragraph. The ;Rev. W. Hughes I think it is wrong for anyone having a conversation to publish any- thing without permission. Mr. Bevan is quite clear from Mr. Brocklehurst's statement. Mr. Bevan: The result is that when Mr. Brocklehurst had the conversation, Mr. Jones was an eavesdropper, and Mr. Purdy has been misled, and should withdraw. I spoke to Mr. Brocklehurst. Mr. Howells Jones: I resent that statement that I was an eavesdropper. It is a most insult- ing remark, and unworthy of Mr. Bevan. Mr. Bevan That is how the news came out. Mr. Howells Jones You spoke to -.three re- porters, and you did it deliberately with the intention of the statement being published. Mr. Brocklehurst: In that conversation Mr. Howells Jones referred to Mr. Bevan -did not say what I sent to (the papers. We were dis- cussing the question in a joking sort of way. The Chairman:! I am very sorry to see that any member of the Committee or the staff has given information to the Press, which he should not have given, and this is not the first time that it has been done at this Council. I hope the members of the different Committees will take their duty seriously and understand that information they receive is not public property until it is presented to. the Council as a body. I tihink the matter had better drop now. Mr. Bevan But won't you ask the member to withdraw ? The Chairman He says he can substantiate the statement. Mr. Bevan But it has been denied' by the source. Mr. Brocklehurst now says that the in- formation came from Mr. Frost, and Mr. Frost had a printed copy handed to him,. I absolutely deny giving1 information to anybody or particu- lars to anybody. I don't deny I have had con- versations outside about the general purport of the report, but as for giving it the Press or any- thing of that sort, I absolutely deny, and Mr. Purdy is wrong, and he must withdraw, or I will find means to make him. Mr. Dicken That sterns to settle the whole thing. This paper at Rhos said they had the report in their hands. If one paper had the report in its hands, they could easily under- stand how it got to the others. Mr. W. Davies: It is very disagreeable to members when people come asking questions about this and the other. I have seen things happen in a committee on Tuesday and found it in this rotten paper at Rhos on. a Thursday. (Laughter.) It is a rotten thing, because it is corroded to the backbone. (Renewed laughter.) Mr. Greenfield said the grievous part of it was that mme memDers of the Council did not re- ceive the report at the same time as the others. The Chairman Mr. Bevan denies, the accusa- tion, and it rests upon you to substantiate it or withdraw. Mr. Purdy I made that statement on the in- formation received, and repeat that the infor- mation was given to me. and I believe it to be true. Mr. Bevan acknowledges he had a con- versation, and three witnesses, .say that he said that in the conversation I leave it at that. I am very sorry as regards the gentlemany con- duct mentioned. I hope I shall always be a gentleman. With the Council's permission, I will withdraw it on. the understanding that we keep our eyes open in the future. 'The matter was then allowed to drop. THE GAS INVESTIGATION AND THE ELECTRIC LIGHT UNDERTAKING. At a meeting of the Lighting Committee the report of the gas eXJperts (Messrs. Newbigging and1 Son) was produced and read-prints of same being in the hands of the members, and after discussing the several matters under notice it was resolved to instruct the Manager to sub- mit his observations thereon in writing by the next ordinary meeting of this Committee. The Clerk was directed to ask Messrs. Newbigging to suggest in what respect an improvement could be jnade in the qu-lity and price of coal. A letter was also read from Messrs. Newbig. ging and Son as to the assessment of the under- taking. At a later meeting of the same Committee the Manager presented his reply to. the report, and it was resolved that the same be taken into con- sideration at a further meeting of the Com- mittee. The Electric Light Manager presented and! read his observations on the report received from Mr. Hill concerning the electric undertak- ing. The like statement was presented and read by the Gas Manager in response to the report of Messrs. Newbigging and Son, le the gas under- taking. ,searching observations by the Committee were made in the course of the perusal of the reports, and it IWaJsí ultimately agreed to instruct the Clerk to forward a copy of the respective re- ports to Mr. Hill and Messrs. Newbigging and Son for their comment thereon, and to ask the latter if they could offer the Committee some practical suggestions on the matter, and to favour them with a response by Monday next.
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b..6 A photograph and biographical sketch of "Eos Dar," whose pennililion-singing was one of the most popular features of the Gorsedd ceremony at Colwyn Bay, are given in this month's num- ber of Y Cerddor."
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Bangor Guardians. The Rev. W. Morgan, chairman, presided over a meeting of the Bangor and Beaumaris Guard- ians on Friday. He reported that the Carnar- vonshire county precept was for ,^5,615 for the half year for county rate purposes. This, to- gether with a special levy of £ ?8g, for education, came to £ 6,414, and would) in- volve a rate of iod. in the pound. While a iod. rate was requiredf on a county rate basis, aC- cording to, the union assessment basis a rate of is. in the pound would be necessary. The lat- ter, of course, referred to the Carnarvonshire parishes only. There was an evident discrepancy which could not be allowed to. continue, and he- thought there would be an appeal from several parishes for a readjustment. (Hear, hear.) Miss Williams, who had tendered her re- signation, and had afterwards asked to be al- lowed to withdraw it (permission being refused), now asked for the return of her superannuation contributions. Mr. T. Roberts proposed that Miss Williams's- application be granted. The Clerk expressed doubts as to whether it; could be granted. Miss Williams, had voluntar- ily resigned her post, and, that precluded any right to claim a return of her superannuation subscriptions. Still, she had subsequently asked to be allowed to withdraw. The Board, how- ever, refused to allow her to do so., and that re- fusal was tantamount to making her resignation an enforced one, in which case she would be entitled to. her present claim. Ultimately it was decided to grant the ap- plication subject to the sanction, of the Local Government Board. Mr. and Mrs. Owen, of Llanfair P.G., were, out of ten, applicants, appointed foster parents for the Maesgwmedd Home for Workhouse- Children. On the report of .a committee appointed to inquire into the friction between the super- intendent nurse and an assistant nurse it was unanimously decided to, call upon these two ladies to. resign.
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Lord Sheffield's Gifts to Education. A meeting of the Holyhead County School Governors was held on Saturday, when Mr. O. Roberts, Chairman, stated that Lord Sheffield was granting £5 each to help certain pupils who on account of distance and other circumstances needed help. The headmaster pointed out that two pupils, W. J. Stringer and Kitty M. Jones, were about to proceed to Bangor University Col- lege. Stringer had obtained exhibitions amount- ing to £ 25 and Miss Owen [20. To these Lord Sheffield has promised a sum of ;Cio each dur- ing the time they will be at the Bangor Univer- sity College. During the past four years Mr Jones said that Lord Sheffield had contributed towards the school £ 250 in assisting scholars. (Applause.) In. consequence of the pupils hav- ing; doubled during the past three years it was decided to increase the teaching staff.
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A German View of Mr. Lloyd George. A Daily News correspondent telegraphed as fol- lows from Berlin on Monday night Under the heading, "A Minister and a Man," the Berliner Tagehlatt to-day comments upon Mr. Lloyd George's Newcastle speech, remarking how greatly the German people must envy the English for having such an energetic and courageous Minister. In reading the Chancellor's speech, continues the writer one feels the miserable conditions of poli- tical life in Germany. One can imagine what would happen if a German Minister dared speak in this way of the members of the Prussian Upper House. The difference is that English Ministers speak as free men, while German Ministers must always anxiously consider what effect their words may have in the highest quarters.
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Colwxjn Ba9 District Council.I
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Letters were read from Messrs. Newbigging and Son bearing on the question of the assess- ment of the gas undertaking, and the quality and price of coal. The members at this stage conferred in pri- vate and afterwards adjourned until Monday, at 7 p.m., to receive the further reports. At the close of the meeting Mr. Greenfield asked whether they were not to receive any re- port or recommendation from the Lighting Committee. He thought they should hear some- thing about the matter from the Chairman of the Committee or the Chairman of the Council. The Chairman said they had had the matter under their very serious consideration at three or four extremely long meetings. On the pre- vious day they had sat until nearly II p.m., and considered the matter very carefully, but they still thought it better to defer the matter until the next meeting of the Council, as they con- sidered it required .more consideration than they they were able to give it the previous night. Rev. W. Hughes We have had no time to read the report yet. I think it is very serious. The Chairman said it would be more satis- factory to all parties if it was discussed, at the next Council meeting. Mr. Greenfield said that as soon, as the replies were received from the experts he hoped a special meeting of the Lighting Committee would be called, because he considered that for the sake OIf the town it was best to get the matter settled one way or another, and that as quickly as possible. It had been, hanging fire for some time, and it was really time some de- cision was come to. The Chairman The Lighting Committee will be quite prepared at the next meeting to give a full' report on the question. Mr., T. R. Davies suggested the calling of a special meeting of the Council to consider the matter. Mr. William Davies considered it was time the Committee should try and come to some conclusion. There was such an agitation about the matter that it was quite disagreeable for a member of the Council to. come to town at all. It. was time that if there was anything wrong it should be remedied, and that as soon as pos- sible. He was of opinion that something should be done before the next monthly meeting. If it was not dbne, he believed the towni would, take it into their own hands. Mr. Edward Allen, said that in fairness to the Lighting Committee it ought to be explained thaf they had spent long evenings discussing the matter. Although they sat for four hours th previous night, they found many things cropping up, and they felt it difficult to' bring in a full and satisfactory report which the Council and ratepayers were entitled to. They could depend upon it that the Committee were dtoing their very utmost, and everything that could be done was being dbne. He felt that the ratepayers would have enough confidence in the Committee that they would do the right thing. He was certain the members of the Committee were as anxious as the Council that this matter should be cleared up satisfactorily, and he felt they could fairly claim their indulgence for an- other month. They would have to. meet two or three times again before the report could be completed. The Rev. W. Hughes felt it would be better to postpone the matter for_another month..The Committee should take their time and thrash the matter out thoroughly. Mrr Purdy said that at the last meeting of the Committee every i^ember was present for the four hours. Mr. Dicken There is no time being lost. As soon as we have_a communication from the ex- perts we get a meeting straight away. Yester- day morning we got one, and; a committee was called for 7 p.m. that day, and we sat until nearly II p.m., and only went through one re- port. We don't want the report in piecemeal. You jvant the whole lot, and that is what the Lighting Committee will give you at the earlist possible moment. The Chairman Are you satisfied, Mr Green- field? Mr. Greenfield: Yes. THE LIGHTING OF PRIVATE STREETS. The Highway Committee recommended that if the replies from owners of' property adjoining private streets at Rhos were satisfactory, the Surveyor be authorised to, see the scheme of lighting was carried cut. Mr. W. Davies did not agree with this, add- ing that if adopted it would cause a great deal of disagreement and perhaps a lawsuit. The Clerk said that the proper thing was that private streets should be done by the owners of property. Mr. D. O. Williams proposed, and Mr. Hos- kins seconded, that the matter be referred back. Mr. T. H. Morgan said there had been con- siderable trouble with regard to this in the past. The letter the Surveyor sent to. the owners he was quite satisfied was a proper one, and would not commit the Council in any way. Why put this back month after month, when the people wanted light, he could not understand. Mr. W. Davies said that Mr. Morgan should understand that they should not interfere with private property. He was at the bottom of it. Mr. Morgan: I rise to a point of order. I object to the statement. I have not interfered at all. I 'ask Mr. Davies to withdraw that statement. I am not at the bot- tom of anything and I defy anybody to say so. Mr. W, Davies: Peihaps I did overstep it a little. (Cries of Withdraw.") Mr Davies -Never mind about your with- draw." Mr. Morgan: I think Mr. Davies ought to withdraw. It is a very unfair statement. Mr. Davies I withdrew by saying that I over- stepped! it. Why should we deal with these different ? Mr. Morgan said it was a recognised fact that where there was a private street in any part of Colwyn Bay, if the owners were prepared to put up lamps, the Council would light the street. Mr. Davies Certainly. Mr. Morgan But there is nothing different at Rhos. Mr. Dicken. did not think there would be any harm by referring the matter back. The Chairman The only objection is that the nights are now getting very dark, and if the people were going to reap the benefit of the money they will have to pay they ought to be put up at once. The Clerk explained the position of the Council, after which it was decided to reject the miniute in its present form, and refer it back to the Committee. WIDENING OF ABERGELE ROAD. The Highways Committee reported that they had instructed the Surveyor to forthwith pro- ceed with the road widening work in front of the respective properties of Messrs. Jenkinson and Sons, Mr. Pickering, and Mrs. Booth. Mr. Samuel Jones said that at the July meet- ing of the Council it was resolved that the Sur- veyor be instructed to do temporary levelling work on the frontage of the premises. A sub- committee waited upon the owners of the pro- perty, and one of the conditions was that the work should be done at the end of September. At the last meeting of the Council it was brought forward again, and the Surveyor was then, in- structed to do the work forthwith. The atten- tion of the Surveyor and Accountant had been drawn to it, but still the matter remained in abeyance. He was astonished to find work go- ing on in other parts of the town, which was really not so important as this work. This was a nuisance to the town and to the public. He could not understand it aitt all. The Surveyor said that the Deputy Clerk told him that he could not start with the work until immediately after the Council meeting, when the minute was confirmed. Mr. D. 0. Williams said it was not the fault of the Surveyor but of the Committee. It was suggested to. defer the matter to the Highways l Committee. Mr. Samuel, Jones said that the resolution to do the work was carried practically unani- mously., Mr. D. O. Williams said that the feeling in the Committee was. that it should be deferred until they got a settlement of the whole ques- tion. Further discussion) ensued, after which the matter was referred to the General Purposes Committee. HEALTH REPORT. The Medical Officer reported that for the past month there were 17 births, as compared with 16 for the corresponding month last year. The deaths numbered 9, inclusive of 3 visitors, as compared with 11, inclusive of 5 visitors. Mr Bevan congratulated the town on its low death-rate of 2.3, and said that if they could only wipe that out they would be able to live too- ever. (Laughter.) vVitih the present death- rate they would expect to live to about 500 -,ears. (Renewed laughter.) TAXI-CABIS FOR THE BAY. An application by Messrs. David Jones and Son to licence taxi-cabs in Colwyn Bay and' dis- trict was referred to the General Purposes Com- mittee. THE GENERAL HOLIDAY QUESTION. 'Pre Colwyn Bay and District Trade Protec- tion Society and "the Bakers' and Grocers' As- sociation wrote asking the Council to communi- cate with them and other bodies before fixing a general holiday. A member remarked that the Associations were showing their dignity. Mr. T. H. Morgan, who is Secretary of the Trade Protection Society, said it was not a question of dignity. It was a question which affected the traders in the town, because on a recenit occasion the tradesmen were not unani- mous in closing. Mr. W. Davies Does this Association repine- sent anything but collecting bad debts? (Laughter.) The Chairman You are out of order. Mr. Davies I understood that was what it was for. Mr. Hugh Hughes: Has Mr. Davies experi- enced it? (Laughter.) Mr. Morgan,: I'm afraid Mr. Davies is at the wrong end of the stick. I have not heard of anybody who can collect bad debts. Mr. Davies I don't understand you. (Laugh- ter). But I have been told by members of the Council that that was so, Mr. Morgan objected to the statement. What- ever Mr. Davies's private opinion might1 be, he need not make insinuations about it. The matter was allowed to drop. THE -OFFICIALS AND THEIR DUTIES. Mr. W. Horton proposed the following motion, of which he had given notice:—" That, having regard to the general dissatisfaction which pre- vails as to the way the business of the Council is conducted in its several departments, a com- mittee be appointed to enquire into the duties and responsibilities of its officials and staff, and submit recommendations deemed necessary or desirable for securing efficient and economic ad. ministration. Mr. Edward Allen had great pleasure in seconding the proposition, but said he did not agree with the phraseology of the opening sen- tences of the resolution., although there was a certain amount of dissatisfaction in several de. partments. Tie considered that a report by a committee would' have beneficial effects. Mr. Hugh Hughes asked whether the question was not being discussed by the Lighting Com- mittee already. The Chairman: This resolution goes very much further than that. Mr. Greenfield supported the resolution, add- ing that it would benefit the Council in general to go into the matter thoroughly. Mr. Dicken said the Council should be care- ful in what they were doing. Did it mean that they were going to call in more experts at "a fee of fifty guineas, or would the Committee do the work themselves? If they were going to call in experts, he was against it Mr. Edward Allen said he did not think there was the slightest intention of employing experts. The experts would be Mr. Dicken and Mr. Bevan and those who had experience. He did hot think Mr. Dicken could claim that he was worth fifty guineas, or even- fifty pence. (Laughter.) Rev. W. Hughes said he saw no. harm in ap- pointing such a committee but he thought it would be best to defer the matter until they had decided what to do with the gas and electric light concerns. Mr. Hortoui said' he knew of nothing at pre- sent which would necessitate the calling in of an expert. But they might want an expert, and a very special expert. Mr. W. Davies did not agree with the resolu- tion because itt condemned the officials before they, were tried. Mr. Bevan was in sympathy with the resolu- tion, but did not agree with the first portion of it. They were in a very different position to- day from whiat they had been. Great engineer- ing works had been completed, and he dared say that re-arrangements could be made with economy in the offices after due inquiry. He considered, however, it would be better for each committee to go into the working of their own staff- and officials and report. There were some new members of the committees, and it would be a very good thing for them to know what each official had to dio. !He would propose that. Mr. Horton said he; could not accept any al- teration of his resolution. Mr. T. H. Morgan said he could see no rea- son to object to a small committee being ap- pointed to go into the matter. There may be things which required regulating, and perhaps they did not think about them until they tackled the matter seriously. Mr. Hugh Htighes thought it verv unfair to move the resolution before the Lighting Com- mittee had settled the question they had under consideration. Mr. Horton then agreed to delete the words at the commencement of the resolution, which would now read:—" That a committee be ap- pointed to enquire into the duties and responsi- bilities of its officials and! staff, and submit re- commendations deemed necessary or desirable for securing efficient and economic administra- tion." The resolution, was carried, and the following Committee were appointed :—The Chairman, Messrs. Edward Allen, Joseph Dicken, George Clare, George Bevan, Hugh Hughes, T. E. Purdy, and T. H. Morgan. PROPOSED NEW SERVICE RESERVOIR. At a meeting of the .Sanitary Committee the Surveyor presented a plan of the land (part ot Pwllycrochan Woods) lying between. Kin.g's- road and the Four Crosses, which had been. acquiredl and allotted for the site of the reser- voir. The Committee discussed the suitability of other sites and made a tour of inspection, giving directions for information to be obtained for the purpose of enquiry and report to a future meeting. RECREATION GROUND. In pursuance of the resolution passed at the last meeting of the Council, a committee con- sidered the question of providing a public re- creation ground, and being of opinion that there is a growing need for provision of this kind in the district, and that the number of available ,sites would become limited in the near future, it was decided, to instruct the Clerk to make cer- tain enquiries as to land and to report to this Committee. The Clerk, in reply to a question, said that two replies had sbeem received, from owners of land, the other owner not having replied. The letters were referred to the Committee. OLD PARISH ROAD, NANTYGLYN. The Surveyor reported that, according to in- structions, the above road had been. opened out and made passable to the public, thus adding a most pleasant rural route to the numerous paths and walks of the district. He proposed to fix three timber seats along the same. ROAD TO EIRIAS DINGLE. Attention was drawn by the Surveyor to the letter written by Mr. Owen Lloyd, Pendorlan, appearing iln the local press with further refer- ence to the existence of the public pathway from Greenfield-road! to the Dingle, and in view of the statements contained' therein that the "road had been in existence for over 50 years," and was known as Ffordd GOClh, and that it was used as a cart road from the old Pendorlan Farm, along which there was a public right of way from Conway-ro.ad to the Dingle and shore," the Committee were asked to. again con- sider the question of repairing the same. It was decided, to visit the place at the close of the meeting, when the Committee resolved that the Surveyor be instructed to have the pathway put in a fit condition for use by ped- estrians, bath-chairs, &c, BUILDING PLANS. The following deposited plans of new build- ings were submitted — Detached house, Victoria-park, for Mr. E. H. Burne. Approved.—Four cottages in Colwyn Crescent, Rhos, for Mr. Humphrey Morris, builder. Approved.—House, Abbey-road, Rhos, for Mr. A. A. Croad (owner). Deferred for al- teration. in respect of the drainage of the base- ment.—Bungalow, Abbey-road, Rhos, for Mr. E. W. Woollaston (owner). Approved.—Motor E. W. Woollaston (owner). Approved.—Motor shed at Piasycoed, for Mr. George T. Royle (owner). Approved.—Detached house, Bay View- road, for Mr. John Jones, mason (owner). Ap- proved. THE LIGHT RAILWAY. A letter was read from the Secretary of the Llandudno and Colwyn Bay Electric Railway, Limited, 24th September, stating that the direc- tors regret they cannot see their way to accept the offer of the Council in respect to. the exten- sion to Old Colwyn as contained in the resolu- tions adopted at the last monthly meeting, and they were unanimous in the view that the full liability, so far as the 'Company was concerned, should not exceed the sum of ^4,000, it being also a term and condition that the Council should definitely state whether they are willing to supply current or prefer to, cancel the present agreement. It was recommended that the offer of the Council be adhered to, the Clerk to write to the Company to explain the reference to the con- tributions re Combermere improvement. Further letters were read from the Company, and these were referred to the Committee for conis,ideration THE ADVERTISING SCHEME. A report prepared by Mr A. J. Oldman, of Llandudno, who, was appointed hon. secretary of the proposed joint Advertising Association of North Wales at the recent conference at Col- wyn Bay, was laid before the meeting by the Chairman, who explained that it was prorposedt to call the Association the North Wales Adver- tising Board, and that the funds should be raised by contributions from the various resorts in pro- portion to rateable value and population. The method of assessment was as "lows:-A con- tribution of £ 1 for every 1,000, or part of 1,000, of the, population,, and Cii for every ^1,000, or part of j £ i,ooo, of rateable value. On this basis Llandudno, would subscribe /,n;5 and Colwyn Bay £9'7, the total for North Wales being ;6673, It was decidied to nominate the Chairman, and the Vice-Chairman, to attend the meeting of the Advertising Board, which will be heldjit Llan- dudno, on November 18th.