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Debate at Judge's Hall. Tariff Reform v. Socialism. A debate of considerable educational value was heard at the Judge's Hall, Tonypandy, on Monday evening last. The speakers were Mr. Harry Quelch (editor of the Social Democratic organ, "Jus- tice ") and Mr. Harold Lloyd, who un- successfully contested the Rhondda Par- liamentary Division in the last General Election, and the subject of the debate was Tariff Reform v. Socialism." Weighty arguments and telling points were put forth by each speaker in sup- port of his views, but we must confess we were not at all convinced that Tariff Reform or Socialism would be the better policy to pursue. That Mr. Lloyd had plenty of supporters was plain enough to see, but if the quantity of applause was any criterion, Mr. Quelch certainly car- ried off the honours of the evening. The chairman of the evening was Coun- cillor R. S. Griffiths, J.P., who is to be complimented on conducting the debate in such a praiseworthy manner, for a debate of a similar nature held a year or so back in Tonypandy culminated almost in a free fight. Mr. Harold Lloyd, on rising to address the meeting, was received with applause. He said he was there to affirm that Tariff Reform will improve the condition of the, people. He was delighted to have the opportunity of a debate with Mr. Quelch, and at the outset he would like, to say that both Mr. Quelch and him- self would agree on one point, and that was they were neither satisfied with the present state of things. He (Mr. Lloyd) was not satisfied with the present state of things, and he wanted to' impress ■upon- them they, could do better by adopting a Tariff Reform system. Tariff Reformers wanted to broaden the existing basis of taxation they wanted to protect the workers, and manufacturers and capitalists from being subject to undue competition; thtfy wanted to improve wages and also to put more money into the pockets of the people of this country as a whole by means of a weapon in the hands of this country (applause). They wanted mutual prefer- ence with our Colonies, to enable us to have a better market, better facilities and greater bond of union with the Empire (applause). Capitalism is wrapt up with Labour, and the one could not be sucoessful without the< other. Whatever they adopted, if that policy was good for successful without the other. Whateyer the Capitalist, it was equally good for Labour. "Is this Socialism adopted in other countries? Mr. Lloyd asked. In America, which we are told is the greatest democratic country on the face of the earth, "every man has a vote. The working class are the ^eople who are in the greatest majority, and in America they have adopted Tariff Reform." In Australia we had a people who were like ourselves. There they had a Labour Government and a Socialism under which the working men were content to work. In Australia, they had been able to have a minimum wage by Act of Parliament (applause). With regard to Germany, the speaker did not advocate that Germany was as well off as we were, but since the Germans had adopted Tariff Reform they were infinitely better off. Mr. Lloyd pointed out several other countries which, he claimed, were better off under the Tariff Reform regime. His idea of Socialism was this, that the whole means of production in this country should be worked by the community for the sake of the com- munity, that private property and private enterprise should come to an end. Tariff Reform was a Socialism that restricted competition, and he thought that Social- ism would recommend itself to Socialists. The first thing a Socialist Government would do would be to take possession of the whole of the means of production of this country and the whole of the private property in the country. If that was what they proposed doing, did the Socialists propose to confiscate the pro- perty of all capitalists, or did they pro- pose to compensate them? The capitalist class in this country belonged to a large number of wealthy people; but it did not stop there. Thousands of working men in this country were capitalists- something like 15 to 18 million working people were capitalists in this country (cheers). Mr. Lltyd here went on to show what large amounts were invested in different concerns by working men; and if they confiiscated from the capitalist, they had to confiscate from those working men investors. If the community came along and took a piece ofl and from a man and then compensated him, they, made him a capitalist again; and if they adopted that policy, they were going to adopt a policy of spoliation and robbery involving the nation in civil war and strife. Were the people going to allow them to come and take their little bit? "I don't think," exclaimed Mr. Lloyd, amidst laughter. What would their posi- tion in a Socialist community be? They would all be employed by one master, and that the State; and it would be a bit awkward if they fell out with their em- ployer, because they could not go across the road and get another job. If they had an ideal Socialist State, they would have very little liberty. For instance, if he (the speaker) said he wanted to lie ,t lawyer, the Fabian Society might say to him, There are too many lawyers. go and stick bills ul,) (laughter). Under Tariff Reform, thev would all have the opportunity of doing what they liked best. Mr. Harry Quelch then gave his caise for Socialism. He characterised the most industrious class in this country as the most poverty-stricken, and it was from the ranks of the working class that pauperism and the pauper class were steadily being recruited. They found that this poverty was peculiar to the working class, and it was universally con- fined to the working class. Wealth was increasing by leaps and bounds, and at the same time the poverty of the working class remained the same. Mr. Lloyd had told them of the wealth of the working class, but there still remained the con- stantly increasing production of wealth side by side with increasing poverty. There had been no such increase in wages as in the production of wealth. Jefr. Lloyd suggested Tariff Reform as a remedy—a remedy which had been adopted by other nations who had not received the slightest benefit from it. The working class were not compelled by any law, but they were compelled by virtue of their poverty to keep themselves alive by work- ing, and the more productive the working class, the more independent became the capitalist class, as the workers were robbed by the economic laws of the country (applause). They did not want to broaden the basis of taxation. Taxation was raised in the interests of the capi- talist class. Seventy millions of money went every year in armaments to protect the landowners' land. They as Welshmen might well sing u Hen Wlad fy Nhadau." ( What he (Mr. Quelch) wanted to do was to narrow the basis of taxation. Inter- national labour legislation would be better than either Free. Trade or Tariff Reform. He had no regard for Empire, he was a Social Democrat; and in reference to the late South African War, he claimed that the Boers were right and the Briton wrong. Imperialism was bad. He wanted international unity, not Imperialism, which meant dominion of one race over another. The position of the worker was pretty much the same all over; the posi- tion of Socialism was an economic one. Socialism meant to transform privately owned means of production into public means of production—the socialising of all the material means of production (applause). In reference to confiscation or compen- sation, that would all depend upon the temper of the owner at the time at which the change took place (laughter). If they were reasonable, they would get proper treatment; if unreasonable, they would be unreasonably treated. In reference to the State being the master, Mr. Quelch said the State would be the people, and everyone would be entirely free to pick his job, and there would be liberty for the fullest possible development for every man, woman or child—liberty for the well-being of all and for the profit of no single class (applause). Mr. Lloyd and Mr. Quelch each spoke again for a short time, after which a vote of thanks terminated the proceed- ings. ings.

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Tylorstown Local Preacher s Tragic End. Found Drowned in the Sea. The inquest on Mr. Henry Morgan (58), of Tylorstown collier and local preacher, who was found drowned off the Pembroke- shire coast on Saturday, was held at the Sessions Room, Mathry, on Tuesday, by Mr. Ivor Evans, district coroner, and a jury of which the Rev. D. Griffiths, vicar of Mathry, was foreman. The Rev. David Morgan, Baptist minis- ter, Cross Hands, Carmarthenshire, iden- tified the body as that of his brother, Henry Morgan, Tylorstown. About the middle of October last deceased, he said, fractured his knee in an accident in the pit, and had not quite recovered, and came down to his native home to recruit his health. The day after he arrived his sister died, and this, with the misfortune I he had met with at the colliery, affected his mind considerably. He was very cheerful and sociable in company. Wit- ness had spent three weeks in the dis- trict, and parted with deceased on the 23rd of February. At that time he was feeling lonely, and witness advised him to return to Tylorstown, which he pro- mised to do. Alfred James, tailor, Castle Morris, who had frequently associated with deceased, said he seemed of a weak con- stitution, and was depressed at times, though sometimes he was quite cheerful. Witness saw him alive last on Friday, the 8th inst., at Pontigluan, and at that time he seemed low spirited. It never occurred to witness, however, that he would be likely to do away with himself. The place where the body was found was about 2i miles from his home. He was a married man, with no children. He had heard that deceased took an active interest in the late revival, and yae of a very religious frame of mind. Thomas Davies, of Abercastle, a fisher- man, said that on Friday afternoon last, when out fishing, he saw a man sitting on the beach with his hand under his chin. Witness called to him, thinking he was asleep, and brought the boat to about 100 yards from the place where he sat, and shouted, Are you all right there? but did not receive' an answer. He did not know who he was. Next morning about 9 o'clock witness heard that a man was missing, and he took the boat round to the place where he had seen the man the previous day. When he got to the spot he saw the police officer there with a man's clothing. They found the body floating in the sea. P.O. James Phillips, of Mathry, said that on Saturday he was informed by Mr. Rees, of Morva, that a body was floating at Aber Mochyn. He proceeded to the spot, and saw the body about six yards from the shore. He found the clothing in a dry place about 40 yards from where deceased was found. Witness knew deceased, who was of a religious frame of mind, and had been heard to remark that his sins would not be for- given. The jury brought in a verdict of Found drowned," and expressed their sympathy with the widow and relatives. Deceased has a brother at Treorchy, Levi Morgan, who is well known as a bard under the name of Mathry Fab. The deceased attended Nebo Baptist Chapel, Mathry, frequently taking part in the services. He was highly respected in the district. The funeral will take place to-day (Wednesday).

Rhondda Tramways. A Profitable Investment. Nearly Nine Million Passengers Carried. The second annual meeting of share- holders in the Rhondda Tramways Con- struction, Limited, was held at Winches- ter House, London, on Friday last. In moving the adoption of the report, Mr. L. V. Schlesinger, the chairman of the company, said the profit on operating the tramways for the year was £ 16,000. The Board had placed £ 3,500 to reserve and renewal fund, although it was only neces- sary to provide for depreciation, seeing that the District Council were bound to acquire the undertaking on the expiry of the lease. This year, so far, the receipts had been satisfactory, being £ 1,653 in excess of the corresponding period of last year. The number of passengers carried during 1909 was 8,821,095, and, after pay- ing a 6 per cent, dividend, there was a balance of £ 2,560 to be carried forward.

Dewi Sant, Tonypandy. A really wonderful performance of the operetta, entitled Red Riding Hood," was given by the Band of Hope of the above church at the Church Hall on April 6th, 7th and 8th. Owing to the extra- ordinary success of the performance on the first two nights—the dates advertised —a third on the 8th was demanded. The stage had been specially fitted with a raised platform for the chorus. The scenery and stage effects were also special for the occasion. The chorus numbered forty voiC £ S^==-S.]r Ülÿ riii/Ie mites—the girls being dressed in pretty white frocks. The chorus took their part well; the voices were sweet and true, the balance excellent, and the actions true to time and place. The Bluebells," who wore beautiful white and blue dresses, with bells galore, took their part well. Rose" (Miss Elsie Husbands), who was dressed in a lovely white dress bedecked with lovely roses, has a lovely voice, and ac- quitted herself creditably. Buttercup (Miss Maggie Davies), in a most elegant dress with wings and wand, was most delightful; her voice was excellent, and her acting good. Robin (Master Edgar Gibbon), in his Sunday best, was very pleasing and delightful in every respect. The Wolf (Master Stanley Davies), in his fur suit, was great. He is a great impersonator. "Hugh" (Mr. Oliver Williams) was a typical woodman, his fearful lookmg axe being sufficient to strike terror into the hearts of many. As usual, lie was a great success. Mother (Miss M. Samuel) was quite plainly dressed, clean and tidy as a good house- wife should be. She sings well and reaches her top notes with singular felicity. Her manner and bearing being true to her part. Red Riding Hood (Miss Mattie Jones), with her indispensable cape and hood, was a, great success. She possesses a wonderfully sweet and clear voice, and has a good range. Red Riding Hood is a no mean actress. The principals generally were very pleasing and enter- taining, and great things will be expected of them in the future. The extraordinary success of the performance is due to the unremitting energy and infinite patience of the conductor, Mr. R. J. Roberts. Great praise is also due to the parents for assisting the conductor in his arduous task.

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Ton. The anniversary services in connection with Hebron (W.B.) were held on Sunday and Monday, when splendid sermons were delivered to large congregations by the Rev. B. Humphreys, Felinfoel, and the Rev. R. E. Williams, Abo-dare. Master Stanley Williams, the boy preacher, son of the Rev. loan Williams, one-time pastor of Siloam, Gelli, occupied the pulpit at Hope (E.B.) on Sunday last. The 11, Lads of Kent," brass band musicians from a Kentish Training Insti- tute, made their appearance in the neigh- bourhood once again during last week. The annual gener al meeting in connec- tion with the Ton Association Football Club, which was to be held at the New Inn Hotel, Ton, was postponed. It was decided, however, tha.t the present com- mittee be empowered to carry on the arrangements for next season with regard to fixtures, &c. It -is, with regret we chronicle the demise of Mrs. Minton, assistant' teacher at Bodringallt School, and wife of Mr. Herbert Minton, LJoyd Street, Gelli, who

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Treherbert. A highly successful whist drive and dance was held at the Ynyswen Schools on Thursday evening last. The evening > had been arranged by the members of the staffs at the schools, with Mr. Llew- ellyn Thomas (Treorchy) as secretary. It was held in order to complete the amount required for the purchase of two pianos for the Ynyswen Schools. The winning players at the whist drive were:—Mise Gwladys Thomas, Treorchy, and Mr. A. Griffiths, substantial prizes being given. i1! Mr. Morgan Jones as the indispen- sable M.G., the dancing was fully en- joyed. An excellent programme of dances had been drawn up. Mr. I>. J.' Howells was very efficient as accompanist. High- class refreshments were provided at strictly moderate prices. The work of organising for the rapidly approaching season is being urgently pushed forward by the officials of the Treherbert Cricket Club. The team lias been entered in the Second Division of the Glamorgan League, and everything promises well for a very successful season. The funeral took place on Monday of the late Mr. William Bosanko, 27, Halifax Terrace, Tynewydd, a very old inhabi- tant of the locality. On the previous Wednesday, at 5.30 p.m., deceased was at the Fernhill Workmen's Institute, when he was taken suddenly ill. Bo vie con- veyed home immediately, and he expired at about 12 n.m. that night- Deceased leaves a widow and several children to mourn his loss. He was a. very old and faithful member of the Treherbert Eng- lish Wesleyan Chapel, and he took an active part in the work of that church, having on several occasions occupied the pulpit at the Sunday services. He had worked for the greater part of his life at Fernhill Collieries. The interment took place at Treorchy Cemetery, in the presence of a large number of friends. The officiating minister was the Rev. W. J. Britton, Tonypandy.

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passed away under very sad circumstances on Thursday morning last. We express our heartfelt sympathy with the bereaved husband and family. A huge crowd numbering several hun- dreds of enthusiastic supporters of the Ton Soccer Team assembled at the Ystrad Station on Monday evening last to give a royal welcome to the conquering heroes who defeated Treharris at Merthyr in the final for the South Wales Cup. The mem bers of the team, with scores of sup- porters, arrived by the 9.20 train. Fyfe, the popular skipper of the Reds, was shouldered with the cup, the hard-earned and well-deserved trophy, held in his hands. Headed by the bugle band of the Church Lads' Brigade, a procession was formed, and marched to the New Inn, the headquarters of the successful team, where rejoicings and celebrations were heartily indulged in.