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Presentation Meeting at Tylorstown. On Wednesday night last, at Seion Vestry, Stanleytown, a very interesting presentation meeting was held, the re- cipient of the presents being Mr. John Williams, B.Sc., Middle Terrace, Stanley- townr a faithful and energetic member of the Methodist Church at Libanus, Tylorstown. The chair was taken by Mr. D. Williams (schoolmaster), who in his opening remarks referred in marked terms of eulogy to the energy, diligence and determination shown by the recipient in attaining to such distinction in the scholastic sphere. Obstacles had been many and preat, but ability, hard work and perseverance had triumphed. The efforts, however, had undermined a frail constitution, and Mr. Williams was com- pelled to seek a renewal of health and vigour in New Zealand. That gathering was a grand sign of the esteem in which he was held by his many friends, who all hoped that, in addition to health, Mr. Williams would also find a sphere wherein his abilities might be exercised. In the course of the meeting, songs were rendered by Madam D. Evans, Messrs. D. Lewis, D. L. Davies, J. Hughes, and D. Williams (Penygraig), and recitations by Messrs. D. Davies and David Howell Davies. The presents consisted of a gold watch, a travelling rug, and a purse of money. Mr. Thomas Morgan; senior deacon of Libanus, in handing over the gold watch, bore testimony to the high moral charac- ter of Mr. Williams, no less than to his educational attainments. He was only too sorry to lose his young friend, and wished that many more would emulate him. Mrs. John Rees and Miss Ashton (Penygraig), in presenting the other gifts, referred to the high estimation in which the recipient was held. Both ladies wished him a speedy recovery and much pros- perity in his labours. Councillor Thos. Harries testified to a strong desire for participation in the evening's proceedings. Imnelled by his admiration for a clever and successful Rhondda student, he could not refrain from making known his good wishes for the future. He desired to associate him- self sincerely with all the noble tributes paid to Mr. Williams. Councillor Harries expressed the hope that ere long it would not be necessary for our brilliant students to leave their native land, but that it would be possible for Wales to make the fullest possible use of all her clever sons. The only sad feature of the evening lay in the fact that a breakdown had befallen a brilliant student in his studies and career. But this adversity often brought out of a man all that was best in him. In responding. Mr. Williams said he was convinced of the sincerity of the speakers and of all present, but at the same time he feared that he was not up to the high standard set forth in the speeches. He thanked one and all for their good desires, and hoped to live to justify all the kind things said of him. Referring to his work with the Sunday School at the Library, whatever he had done there, he said, had been done for the Saviour and from a love for children less fortunate than him- self. Further testimonies were given by Mrs. Rhys Lewis, Messrs. Ed. Edwards,1 Thos. Morris, John Davies, D. Evans and P. Gwyn Hughes. Mr. Williams (Cash Stores) and Mr. Williams (Penygraig) added their respec- tive tributes, after which Mr. D. Fenwick, on behalf of the secretary and treasurer, voiced the thanks of all to Seion Church for the use of the room, to the artistes for their services, and the chairman for presiding.

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The Incorporation of the Rhondda. To the Editor of the Rhondda Leader." Sir,—Your correspondent, Corporus," is to be highly commended for his endea- vour to ascertain the truth in regard to one of my statements in opposition to a Charter. I have known of many approach- ing the legal fraternity for the purpose of obtaining their opinions on legal ques- tions, but" Corporus is the only per- son known to me who has ever approached a lawyer to obtain the truth. If the philosophers of the past ages who applied the query, "What is Truth? only knew of Simon (of Merthyr), they would have exclaimed, Upon this rock we shall build our philosophy." Mr. Simon, like Simon Peter of old, after much swearing against my statement, admitted a loss of jE27 6s. 6d. on the Penydarren houses even last year, while my statement applied to the past few months. The state of trade in that locality at present justified my state- ment—and I wish to add one other state- ment—that in times of depression, when the tenants of borough house property fail to meet their obligations, such depres- sions affect the general ratepayers doubly. In times of prosperity the Borough Coun- cil makes no profit of the tenancy, and in times of depression the loss must be made good by the industrious ratepayers. Is that justice? Mr. Simon fails to see that the housing question has anything to do with Incorporation. No one knows better that it does. Under the present mode of local government, there is a possi- bility of such a question being indefinitelv postponed if the electorate are unprepared to agree to such a policy but under an incorporated body, even a minority of such a Council, who may compose the Housing Committee, if they happen to be promoters of such a scheme, can easily plunge the ratepayers into an enormous debt to meet their desires. Whatever may be the merits of such a scheme in a dis- trict where a scarcity of houses exists, and where private speculators are prone to undertake such risks, there is no reason why a sub-committee should be empowered with absolute privileges to undertake such a scheme, or any other scheme, in a dis- trict such as ours, which has. unhappily, passed the zenith of its commercial glory. The proposals of sub-committees of Dis- trict Councils are invariably subjected to the sanction of the general Council, while Borough Committees possess almost equal powers in many cases to those of the general Boroucrh Council. Surely, there is more safety and protection to the general ratepayers under our present form of local administration. The population of the whole of the Rhondda area is* entirely dependent upon one commodity alone for the means of their existence. We do not possess a variety of industries which could be relied upon in case some- thing unusual should happen to create a lesser amount of employment in that par- ticular branch of industry. Is it im- possible that a scientific discovery may be made within the next ten or twenty years which would lessen the demand for our precious commodity ? It may be a dole- ful prognostication," but the fact that we are so entirely dependent upon such limited spheres of employment for our great population will have to be reckoned with before a Charter and its expensive possibilities will be granted. There is another reason why a Charter will not be granted—and which this con- troversy proves beyond dispute-that is, that no person outside the limits of Tony- pandy has any real desire for a Charter, or. if such a desire exists, the absence of correspondence in your \tiluah £ e columns proves that there is no enthusiasm what- ever existing upon the question. The Question of obtaining a Charter had a very stupified effect upon two members Of the Council last Friday. When the naIUe County Council was mentioned by Councillor J. D. Williams, one of them suggested going on strike, and the other agreed. It was the conciliatory spirit of the Chairman that saved the situation. They will be obliged to work on the same conditions for a long time yet. Charters of Incorporation are conferrable only upon towns and cities. The Rhondda does not acknowledge any of its centres as its chief towns, which is a most important P°int in the struggle for a Charter. The Rhondda ratepayers, some time ago, demanded the unification of the District demanded the unification of the District and the Poor Rates. The Council has r done aU in its power to achieve such a 1eform, and its realisation is within siVht. I The members of Nos. 6 and 7 Wards with- out exception supported the economic deform. Talk about quick-change artistes, our representatives can change their opinions upon the most important sub- Jects in half the time any artiste could

"The Church in Wales." Rev. S. B. Johnj Replies to Vicar of Clydaoh Vale. To the Editor of the Rhondda Leader." Sir,—The letter of Mr. Morris in your last issue in reply to mine of the previous week, for calculated offensiveness would be hard to beat.. He seems bent on making strength of style compensate for poverty of argument. Still, I am not surprised. He objects to the word hypo- crites I object to the hypocrisy." A better way for him to disprove the charge is to disprove the argument upon which it is made. I say that the claim of the Anglican Church in the education ques- tion is sheer hypocrisy. To keep other efforts in abeyance by main force, and then glory in what they themselves have done, seems like cutting a man's head off and then abusing the body for its want of vitality. Did not the Bishop of Here- ford denounce the wear and tear clause of the Education Act, 1902, as a game of grab "? What sort of conscience does it take to play a game of grab," elastic or otherwise? Moreover, he credits me with an assumption I do not hold, charges people of my class" (whatever that means) with spreading "some yarn," and says I do not care a jot about history, and winds up his display of bumptiousness I and conceit by a little lecture on good mannere." It is all very funny, but not! very edifying. Does he think he proves his case by charging not only myself, but a host of others both outside and iiiside a host of others both outside and iiiside his own church, with ignorance of his- tory ? The present Archbishop of Canterbury, when Bishop of- Winchester, spoke of the distinctive character of the Church of England." Is he thereby ignorant of history Sir William Harcourt, in a letter to the "Times," November 25th, 1898, spoke of "the fundamental distinction between the Eng- lish Church and that of Rome." Was he therefore, "ignorant of history"? Dr. T. W. Mossman, an Anglican historian, in his book, The Relations between the Church and the State in England," says that on Midsummer Day, in the year 1560, the Church of England ceased to worship, &c., after the manner of their predecessors, and thenceforward had to worship according to Act of Parliament, and laments that this made her the creature and absolute bond-slave of the State." For further confirmation I rely on Dean HooK, Freeman, Dr. Stubbs in his Constitutional History," Dean Milman in his Latin Christianity," Mr. Gilbert W. Child, M.A., in his Church and State under the Tudors," the late Bishop of Liverpool, &c. Yet, I suppose, Mr. Morris will loftily wave the testi- mony of these historians of repute all out of court! Sir, Mr. Morris is at variance with his own standards; but there! "What does he care for history"? His aim is to undo history. I assert, with the rock of history under my feet, that the present Church of Eng- land is not continuous with the pre- Reformation Church. I always understood that Mr. Morris' school claimed to be the sole teachers of religion, but I did not know they made this claim over history, too. Evidently, they are THE people. But when I find people taking up this silly attitude, I am reminded of the young woman and her mother, seeing her brother marching past in the regiment. Look, mother," she said, they are all out of step except our Jack Since Mr. Morris offers me advice, I'll offer him some, too. It is this: Let him come down from his ecclesiastical high horse and talk like an ordinary human being. Let him not im- pute to people opinions they do not hold, actions they have not done, intentions they have not dreamed of. Let him play the game fairly, even if he be an Estab- lished Churchman and his critic a poor Dissenter." Now to his arguments (?). 1. He calls what I alleged to be a contradiction of terms "small matters." If they were not too small to be circulated by him, they are not too small to be criticised. However, I agree that they were small, decidedly so, as small as the whole case for the Establishment! 2. He says that I assume that his Church differs" root and branch" from the Roman, that the Church of to-day is totally different from that of Henry's day, and that I am thereby" flying in the teeth of historv." As I do not make that assumption (I wish I could), the teeth of history have not yet begun to bite. But sir, I do not assume, I assert as a matter of historical fact that the Anglican Church is intended to be a different Church to the Roman. Mr. Morris quotes Mr. Gladstone, but I wonder how much of Mr. Gladstone is he prepared to accept? Mr. Gladstone said: Tithes were national property." Mr. Gladstone disestablished and disendowed the Irish Church, and a member of his Government brought in the Welsh Dis- establishment Bill of 1895. I repeat, how much of Mr. Gladstone will he accept? Why did he not say that Mr. Gladstone, in later life, abandoned the main argu- ment of his book as no longer tenable? But let that pass. Against anyone's opinion, I place the fact that in the Accession Oath the King vowed to main- tain the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law." This is not an

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Mid-Rhondda Y.M.C.A. On Thursday last, under the auspices of the Mid-Rhondda Y.M.C.A., a tea and concert were held at the Llwynypia Primi- tive Methodist Chapel, which had been lent for the occasion. In the afternoon a large number sat down to partake of the delicacies that had been provided. In the evening an excellent concert was given, and was presided over by Mr. Tom James, Clydach Vale. The following con- tributed towards the programme: — Elocutionists, Messrs. Frank Popham and William Cook; soprano solos., Mrs. R. Dallimore; violin solo, Mr. Geo. Brice; mouth-organ solos, Mr. Alfred Davies; pianoforte solo, Master Danny Jones. The treasurer of the Association, Mr. S. Owen Edwards (solicitor), also addressed the assembly. The Y.M.C.A. has been re- organised, and everything points towards a rosy future. Their premises, situated in Eleanor Street, Tonypandy, are open every evening.

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change his clothes. If Incorporation be granted, the District and Borough Rates must be separately collected. In conclusion, it would be well to cal- culate the cost of obtaining a Charter. In addition to the opposition of the County Council, it is quite possible that the majority of the District and Rural Parishes of the County of Glamorgan will oppose such a step. There are two rail- way companies in the Rhondda, who will certainly be antagonistic, in addition to large colliery and house property owners; and every tenant within the Council area, if he will but be true to himself, will also resist any change in our local adminis- traton. The members of the Mid-Rhondda Chamber have embarked on a very un- equal task, and their unpreparedness to meet even a slight attack of opposition, has found them in the same predicament as the five foolish virgins when mid- night came, and Corporus" has been obliged to cry aloud to Mr. Sidney Simons, Give me of your oil, for my lamp has gone out."—Yours, &c., ANTI-HUMBUG. Blaenclydach Sanitation. Sir,—A few weeks ago I wrote a letter to your paper calling the serious attention of the Sanitary Authorities to the above matter. I regret to say. that the condition of things still remains the same, and it is surprising to me that an outbreak of fever has not yet taken place. I must say, it is most disgraceful and dangerous to health in fact, I know of one house where every occupant has been attacked with sore throat. I live in apartments (until I am able to obtain a house), and last week my wife came to spend a few days here, and she also contracted a sore throat, although only here for two days. Several houses are affected in the same street, viz., Railway Terrace, whilst the condition of things in Court Place is abominable. Such a state of things is a disgrace to civilisation, and should not be tolerated for a moment, especially in such a vast and densely populated district as the Rhondda. I have only been living here for a few months and, judged by their activity, the Rhondda Health Com- mittee are a hundred years behind Mer- thyr. "Quantum Eufficit. "-Your, &c., PRO BONO PUBLICO. Church Bazaars. To the Editor of the Rhondda Leader." Sir,—It is not my object in writing this letter to level the lance of public censure against any particular Christian body using the methods of money raising re- ferred to; but the account in your last Saturday's issue of the bazaar held in connection with Town-head U.F. Church, along with advertisements and intimations of similar events, past or approaching, has no doubt raised in the minds of many Christian people the question of the law- fulness of the methods adopted in these modern institutions as judged from the religious standpoint. Personally, I see nothing wrong in Christian men and women, actuated by a desire to further Christian and social work, holding sales of articles for such beneficent purposes they may have in view. The example of Dorcas, who made garments for the poor people, might be quoted as a Scriptural precedent sufficiently justifying this. If this were all, my objection would be nil. But the matter does not end there, and the highest Christian principles are in- volved in serious peril by the methods used in these bazaars. In her ambition to do great things, the modern Church is not satisfied to use the ways and means approved by clear Scriptural precedent; but. bridging the gulf which her Divine Founder ordained should separate her from the world, she does not hesitate to seek worldly help and to adopt worldly means to accomplish her enterprises. If I am asked to substantiate my state- ments, I ask your readers to visit one of these popular fancy fairs, and to tell me which sits enthroned there—the Spirit of God or the spirit that is in the world." The rich profusion of colours which marks the exquisite adornment of stalls, &cl. is without a doubt most pleasing to the natural eye; but there is nothing here in which the Church can minister to the necessities of the darkened spiritual vision. Bustling dames and gaily-dressed maids besiege the luckless visitor with a zeal which no one can gainsay, to induce him to part with hard cash; but let the pastor ask their assistance upon a slum mission or an open-air gospel meeting, and where is the zeal of one-half of them now ? Then, there are the orchestras, and the concerts, and the amateur stage actings, and many other entertainments—all of which may be perfectly innocent and even highly artistic in their own sphere but what is there in these things to exalt and further the sublime purpose for which the Church of Christ exists? I may be told that here the end justifies the means, and that in thus catering in a healthy, inno- cent way to the love of the beautiful and the humorous in human nature the Church renders herself more attractive to those whom she would fain win for the Lord. But the people, as a rule, are too cute to be caught in this way; this is the kind of bait the fish nibbles up without swallow- ing the hook, and the half-empty con- dition of a large proportion of our places of worship in silent eloquence bears testi- mony to the failure of all compromises of this kind. Miss Cbrelli, in one of her novels, pictures Christ as a boy standing weeping before a locked church. He has again come to visit His Drofessing Chris- tian people on earth, but again His own have received Him not." Let me ask of you, Christian people, on which side of your modern bazaar door your Saviour stands to-day? Do you not fear, were He to descend there in your midst, it would be with the scourge of small cords again in His hands, and in Hie mouth the stern words, Take these things hence, make not my Father's house an house of merchan'dise "?-I am. yours, &c., T. C. K.

opinion, but what is established by law." Yet the article in the Parish Magazine stated, We (i.e., Anglicans) are not Protestants." I have asked a clear question, and ought to get a clear answer without being termed ignorant of history simplv because I quote the law of the land. Does Mr. Morris repu- diate the Archbishop's words or not? If he does, what right has he in a Protestant Reformed Church? If he does not, what sense is there in saying that the Church before the Reformation and after the Reformation is, &c., the same Church? Did, then, the Reformation achieve nothing? Really, sir, your correspondent makes me ask with little Peterkin, Now tell us all about the war and what they fought each other for? And he would reply, "That I cannot tell, but 'twas a famous victory! I am well aware what the Anglo- Catholics claim, but I want proofs. Let us subject his claim to the judgment of History. All the historians of note describe the Reformation in England as "a breach with Rome" (Gardiner), breaking the fetters of Rome," a rupture with Rome," revolt from the dominion of Rome (Art. Church of England, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Ed. 9). If there was a breach, the continuity is broken. The Pope was the spiritual head of the English Church, or rather, of the Church IN England, but the Act of Supremacy of Elizabeth (given in the Book of Common Prayer) forbade the spiritual as well as temporal jurisdiction of the Pope. The Reformers would have scorned the idea of Roman recognition of Anglican Orders. Archbishop Parker, of Elizabeth's day, even denied the Catholicity of the Church of Rome (Gardiner's Student's History," vol. 2, p. 430). The Act of Supremacy makes the plea for recognition absurd, and, indeed, illegal. Further, we know that Church and State were so closely joined that the great Hooker, in Eccles. Polity, Book viii., sect. 2, makes citizenship and Churchmanship identical. To refuse Churchmanship, was to suffer civil dis- ability, and this was incurred by Roman Catholics and Dissenters alike; by the Roman Catholics simply because the Thirty-nine Articles condemned their faith. How, then, can there be con- tinuity between submission to and rejection of Rome? The fact that Rome to this day refuses to recognise Anglican Orders is sufficient proof that there is no such continuity." He cannot expect Rome to deny itself. It is semper iadem, always the same." The claim of the Anglo-Catholics splits on this rock. But let us analyse Mr. Morris a little further. He defines continuity as consisting of five points, and makes a claim for oneness with Rome and her- self at all periods. Neither claim is cor- rect. One of these five points is one sacramental system." Now, Rome has seven sacraments, but Anglicans only two, Baptism and Lord's Supper (Articles xxv.), and rejects Confirmation, Penance, Orders, Matrimony, and Extreme Unction as corrupt," &o. Where is this con- tinuity ? Moreover, Rome holds to Transubstantiation. and the Council of Trent curses all who don't; but Anglican Articles condemn it as repugnant to Scripture," and "superstition" (Articles xxviii.). The Sacrifice of Mass is a blasphemous fable and dangerous deceit (xxxi.). Where is the continuity now? Your correspondent speaks of evolution, but can he evolve a dangerous deceit and blasphemy into the essentials of faith ? Again, the pre-Reformation Church held to Transubstantiation (Wicliffe was persecuted for protesting against it). The post-Reformation Church condemns it. Therefore, I say, in this respect the Anglican Church is not one with herself at all periods, and Mr. Morris' continuity is broken again. But does he accept the one sacramental system"? Will he answer this question? I should have thought that such an immaculate historical authority would strive to give to historical terms their historical meaning. He says that the Church is Protestant only in the sense that she protests against errors of Rome," &c. In what other sense can she be Protestant? Does he think that anyone expects her to protest against the truths of Rome? How can he expect Rome to recognise his Orders when he professes to deny her integral truths? Then he says, She is not Protestant in the sense that she denies Catholicity," &c. What have the two to do with one another? I also believe in the Holy Catholic Church throughout the world," but his notion of Catholicity" unchurches me. My Church is a "Sect." So is his Church to the Roman. But the Parish Magazine article destroyed all Catholicity in this country before the ninth century, and anywhere previous to the fifth century. The argument was this. Three Creeds make Catholicity. The loss of one makes non-Catholic. Yet the article said the Athanasian Creed was not introduced here till the ninth century. Where, then, was Catholicity in England before that? The Creed itself was not formed before the fifth century. Therefore, there was no Catholic Church until then. A posi- tion which gives such a conclusion is absurd. Oh, but they are Scriptural," they say. So are we. Scripture is the fountain, Creed the stream. As the foun- tain then to the stream, so is our Catholicity to theirs. Ours is the Catholicity of Christ, and all that come to Him are in no wise cast out." Theirs is the muddy stream which would admit Caesar Borgia and the abominable mis- creants who have filled the Papal Chair. Be it so. But when the people realise this, the ramparts of the so-called National Church will fall. That day is coming nearer. Would to God the Church of England would free herself from bondage and stand robed only in the beautv of Christ! He calls us "brethren." I welcome the statement. It's a beam in darkness, let it grow." I reserve my remarks on endowments and tithes till I see his list of tithes owned by Dissenters. Perhaps he would oblige me with a list before next month to save time? I shall have something to say then.—I am, &c., S. B. JOHN. November 16th, 1909.