Welsh Newspapers

Search 15 million Welsh newspaper articles

Hide Articles List

10 articles on this Page

County Council Election.

News
Cite
Share

County Council Election. MR. TIIÆY ON THE WARPATH. REPRESENTATION AND MISREPRESENTATION. A public meeting in aid of the candidature of Mr H A Tilby, the retiring member for the South Ward, was held in the Brigade Hall last Friday evening. Mr Joseph A Williams {Alexandra Hotel) presided, in the absence of Mr A L Clews. Mr Clews wrote regretting that a cold prevented him attending, and wish- ing Mr Tiliby every success in his "gallant fight." At the outset of his address Mr Tilby dealt with the question of the numifcer of members Rhyl had on the County Council, arguing that according to the population and rateable value compared with towns like Flint, Holywell, and Mostyn, Rhyl should have at least five mem- bers. He complained that Rhyl did not get anything like a fair contribution in respect of main roads. Proceeding, he went on to com- plain that the estimates. and expenditure of the county was attended to by the Council in a perfunctory, careless mtanner. He said: I attended the County Finance Committee, and as the bills had been passed by a committee of which I was not a member, I ventured to ask that the bills should be handed up to me. They were handed up. I gIned at these bills, and one of them struck me as being somewhat big. It said to the printing of 115 pages of minutes tSll 14s to the printing of 16 pages of min- utes, £2." Now, the mental arithmetic of an old schoolmaster ought to be bright, and I hope mane still is. At all events, a glance at that bill was sufficient to enable the thought to flash across my mind that the 115 pages at £11 14s was 2s Id a page, and the second lot at 2s 6d a page, and I thought why this difference in the price seeing it is on the same bill, so I said, Mr Chairman, how much do you pay for the printing of minutes ?" The Chairman didn't know (Dear, dear, laughter). I do not think there is much blame to the Chairman at all. I am not blaming the Chairman at all in this instance. The Chairman appealed to the Clerk, and he didn't know ("Shocking"). I then said, Is there anyone who does know ?" and after some hesitation the Deputy Clerk said "Is 100d a page." I said, "I take it that is a contract price ?" and they said Yes." Then I said, If you are in any doubt about the price you would consult the contract ?" and they said" Yes." I then asked" Why, if the price is Is 10¥!, you have passed bills in which the price is 2s Id in one case, and 2s 6d in the other ?" and then there was a little consterna- tion in the camp. There was some douibt about the matter, and the bill was referred back and some days later I found from an official letter that the price was Is 7!d. Now, do not let roe be misunderstood. I do not want it to be thought that I am making any charge against the printer. The bill was not substantially wrong, because there had been a verbal arrange- ment by which he was alloewd to demand an additional one-fifth of the price for extra copies. It is quite true that there were blank pages that may have been charged for, but that does not matter. The burden of my complaint is that the sub-committee for accounts knew what they were passing for payment; no memiber of the (Finance (Committee knew, the Chairman, the Clerk, and the Deputy Clerk did not know, and no one troubled. Now, I ask do you think that is a propr way in which accounts should be dealt with. That is one of those things that should have been familiar to every member of that body. It was a contract price that was not known. It had been in existence since 1901. It had never been revised. Progressive body, is it not ? .Not a single soul, official, or unofficial, knew anything about that bill. I I hope you are beginning to feel that at all events I am justifying the statement I made that there is not the care exercised in dealing with public money that your representatives ought to show. At the same committee meeting, and among the same bills, I turned over another account, and there I ventured to say that I must hesitate before I consented to the payment of that bill. It was a bill to which I could not consent in the interests of the ratepayers whom I represent, 'because I had sufficient knowledge to eanble me to agree. It was a bill from a firm of solicitors of which the Clerk to the County Council is a member. 'Consequently, I said I cannot say whether that bill is fairly chargeable to the ratepayers of Rhyl unless I know the terms of the Clerk's agreement with the Council, and whether such items were covered by it. There was a great desire to supply me with a copy of the agreement. It was promised that I should have it and after the course of a few days I received all the details from the clerk relating to this matter. It was a copy of an advertisement in a newspaper, advertising the position and a copy of the resolution confirming the appont. ment. There is no such thing as an agreement ¡ between the clerk and consequently you see I was not assisted by the information afforded me to come to any decision as to whether the bill was fairly chargeable to the ratepayers or not, and at the meeting of the County Council when I was asked to confirm the passing of the bill I raised the whole question. I told them I could not make up my mind as to whether this bill was justified because I could not decide, and apparently no one could help me, as to where the duties of the clerk to the Council ended as clerk and began as private solicitor. I took from, that bill some notes. The first item on that bill was "Interview with Mr Elwy Williams 6s 8d." Later on came another item interview with Mr Elwy Williams and Mr J W Summers, 10s writing Mr Elwy Williams, 3s 4d interview, 6s 8d, 6s 8d, 6s 8d, 6s 8d; writing and attend. ing Mr Elwv Williams, a guinea attending him, 135 4d; attending him, 6s 8d; writing him, 3s 6d, 3s 6d attending, 10s writing, 3s 6d writing and attending, 13s 4d writing, 3s 6d attending, 6s 8d, 6s 8d, 3s 6d attending Mr A M rRalli, 6s 8d, 6s 8d, 6s 8d." These were amongst the items to which I could not agree. Mr W E Williams, Mr Summers and Mr Ralli were all members of the County Council rmd surely a member of the Council ought to have the right to interview and dismiss any usiness with the clerk relating to the work of tie Council without the ratepayers being saddled T ith the charge. How am I to do my duty towards my (constituents unlesk I have free recess to the only official member of the Coun- who is able to afford me the most informa- i-on as to the business of the Council I am at present deeply interested in a question on which County Council is foolishly embarked. I in not a member of the committee dealing'with i:, but of the Finance Committee that will have t) honour the ibill and yet I cannot go to the c'erk and ask him what the business is unless you have to pay 6s 8d. I say that is a bad system and an unsatisfactory arrangement. I nass on to more items Attending committee at Chester, one guinea; another, two guineas nrother, two guineas; New 'Brighton, Mold, o ie guinea; iMold, one guinea; Dyserth, two guineas. Again I suggest that in my judg- ■ ment it is the bounden duty of the clerk to attend the meetings of the County Council. If he attends as a private solicitor, then, for that time the Council is without a clerk. I have no complaint against .the clerk, or any individual. My complaint is agaist this system, which in my judgment is a system. I put it to you. You go and ask a man his advice. If he gives you certain advice he will be depriving himself of certain fees, and if he gives you contrary advice he will be largely increasing his income. I am not prepared to say that the advice which has been given in the past has been bad, or that it has been given from improper motives, but what I say is that while human nature remains human nature under such a system you can never expect our unbiassed judgment. It is a system that should come to an end forthwith. I am not complaining of the amounts which were paid to this firm in this way. They are amounts that are serious public importance. In 1902 we paid £392; in 1905 £1035, and last year JB492, for legal and Parliamentary services. I do not suggest that it is profit but a substantial portion of it is profit. If the clerk has not a decent salary then in all conscience let him be paid a decent salary and let it include this work. I do not think that £ 500 a year that does not include all your time is not a bad salary, and we should therefore be properly served. Another member of the firm is county coroner at £180 a year and expenses and comparatively recently he was made secretary for education at a salary of £300 a year, and I think it an unnecessary office. I am of opinion that when the Council was dealing with the appointment of Director of Education they should have been able to get a man for JB340 a year who would have been competent to do all the work required in the smallest county of Wales. If they did not choose the best man they showed themselves guilty of gross incompetence or were grossly negligent of the interests of the ratepayers. I say that if the adequate staff at his disposal was handed over to the Director of Education you could without injury to the cause of education o away with that unnecessary office and to save the ratepayers .money to that extent. There are of course, other perquisites to that office and therefore I am bound to say I do not think the County Council has done its duty by not having a prepared agreement drawn up and a proper definition of duties between the clerk and them- selves. Therefore, I moved an amendment in December that the whole question of this ap- pointment he referred to a sub-committee to investigate the whole matter and bring up a report as to the definition of duties for the future. I moved it. It was seconded by Dr Humphrey Williams, supported by the Chairman of the Finance Committee and carried unanim- ously. But, ladies and gentlemen, if there is one thing that vexes(?) me more than another and emphasises in my mind the utter incompet- ence and neglect of the County Council in the past it was the fact that my motion was carried unanimously. What have these gentlemen been doing in the past either they knew what was going on and neglected to deal with it or they did not know it, and in either case they were equally capable. It should not have been left to me, the baby of the Council, to take action. I think I have justified my statement. The idea I have always had is that I should exercise as much care in spending public monies as I have to in spending my own (applause). Mr Tilby went on to complain of what he termed untrue statements that appeared in the leader in the "Advertiser," and replied to the article in the terms of h is letter. He also complained that the letter was put b in an obscure place on the back page, while the subject matter to which it referred was in the leading position.

:t) : THE WHITELEY 1IITIDEll.

St. Asaph Parish CouncilI…

5o§ THE FLINT AND .DENBIGH…

Affairs of a Rhyl Hydro.

The Welsh Education. Secretary.

Funeral of the Vicar of Dyssrth1

.|oI - St. Asaph County Court.

Abergele and Pensarn Urban…

LLANDUDNO NEWS.