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ST. ASAPH GUARDIANS AND THE EDUCATION RATE. —— PROPOSAL "OT TO LEVY THE BATE IN THE ST. AS \P UNION. ANIMATED DISCUSSION. The A.ot5on of the Board of EDUCATION in post- poninar the APPOINTED day in Blintshire. a T EOM»WHTT SINGULAR sequel at the St. Asaph Board of GU-trdiana on Friday. The matter cropped up in a RTTHFR extraordinary manner It arose cut ot a dem for the pavnoeat of £18 rates in reapeot of the W 0 khome PREMISES It walt claimed that part of th" r ite to THE amount of 2d in the had been levied for PDACNOQ PURPOSES, and as thsra appeared » to fee no probability of the FLINTSHIRE County Oounor SPBT.DINJF any money fer some time to come, the Gua dhns would be justified in deducting from tte bill KD amount equal to 2d. in the It WitS >esolv- d to POSTPONE the matter for a month, an<i to INSTRUCT 'he CL^rk (Mr. Charles trimslev) to the Flin S^ire County Council if they intended to "nfnrce merit of that ptrt of the rate which they had í 11 eu TED devotiuif to educational purposes. Mr J. Frimston opened the dieca-pion by asking whether the Finance Committee business had been dispos <i of. and, if s:), what had been done in regard to the JJintahire Couaty Council's preoept The Ch,drmlin replied that tiny were just oomine to tti t matter Mr H run-ton; Well, seeing that the Government A Member: Tbp Bo-trd of Education. Mr Fr:m8toll: I mHn the Board of Education M. J H Ellis: I rhe to a point of order. Are we in order in patintr the intentions of the UNVEMIMENT ID REGARD to this auestion, and in pracFiua!l? recommtndi the non-payment of this mot e ? Mr Frimston • I am not anticipating anything. Mr Elii*: I U aintiin thtt it is premature t° rttiftt thi QUHSITI(<N. We are not suie whether the GCVFRCIBI nt is not, a'ter ull, JMROING to allow the C.,unry Council to ad MINISTER the Education Act Thev have only so far suspended the appointed day from Jauu ry 1st to February ht, whioh will make no difference at all. Chnirman: I cau't allow you todiscuis that of the question. Mr Ellis: Well, rule it out of order altogether. Mr Frimston (to the Chairman): Will you decide ai< P The Ghairmaa I thiik this question is properly j raised. A. bill has beea placed before the FINANCE C -mmittee, but cot p ISAED; and Mr Frimtt(>n is goiug to ive the reason why it WitS not passed. We must not, howaver, disouas the general question. Mr. Frimston SAID that what NE wis going to point out that a bill for j618 from the County Council had been submitted to the Finance 0000- mittee. The rate, he understood, included 2I. in the £ for educational purposes. Mr hillis: If you please, it is not stated on the precept. Mr Frimston: Let me go on. Mr Ellis; I urn ooJy stating facts. Continuing, Mr Frimston said that in the faca to the tact that the of Education has postponed the adoption of the Education Act in Flintshire, it appeared ulfele88 levying a rate thst would not be used. It WHS rather har i to call upon the ratepayers of Flintshire to pay 2d. in the pound if they were not sure whether it woald be used for the purpose for which it was int-nded. At the Finance Com- mittee be made a suggestion that they should p>tS8 the amount less the 2d. for education purposes, because they did not, of course, object to pay the poor rate. So long 8B the County Council did not really require the money they could, he considered fairly defer paying that portion of the rate. H proposed that they d, fer paying that portion. Mr (j F. Gunner fsconded, remarking that if the 2d. in the £ was not wanted for education purposes it could not be used for any other. Therefore, what was the good of collecting it? Mr Ellis said he was very sorry the Chairman had allowed the question to be raised. He thought it was a matter tbat might well be left in the hands of the County CouneiJ. They had ordered a precept but had not specified what the rate was for—they did not say that so much WitS to be allocated to education purposes. Therefore he considered it premature for that Board to refuse to pay an\ portion of tbat precept. He wall rather surprised at Mr. Frimston, being an Overseer, like hiaue'f, bringing the question forward. If it got known to outsiders—FTDD he oould not see how it was to be avoided—that the rate was to be paid pieoemea.I, the moral or rather immoral, influence it wouid bav- would be very great upon people who were called to pay the rate. Tie result would be that the people of Rbyl would, until the question had been settled, now refuse to pay that portion of the poor rate, and probably would refute to pay at all. What would be the result of that disastrous policy he hesitated to say. It would hitndicip them as overseers very much in regard to tie collection of certain sums BY certain dates. He sincerely bopod the Board would not allow such a very bad example to go forth to the public as to pose as the first passive RESNTINJJ authority in the county. The Board ought to hesitate before they acknowledged the wisdom of such a policy, and should be the first to pay the rate. Should the County Council not ultimately spend any of the rate on educational objects, they would doubtless give the Board credit next half- year. The probability was that if they paid the full amouIlt- be did not think Mr Frimston WAS right in saying that 2d. in the £ was for the purpose which he specified—the County Council would deil fairly with them, and remit any amount that WAS not used for the purpose for which it had called. Don't let this authority be the first to show any rebellion to the poweiathat be," he added in conclusion." or else the influenoe will be very bad and corrupt." Mr Gunner: Our Clerk ILKA that 2d in the £ is for educational purposes. Mr Ellis: I go by the precept itself. The Chairman it is quite right that 2d io the £ is intended for educational purposes. In tackling this question I am afraid that we, as an authority for levying rates on behalf of the County Council may place ourselves in an awkwatd position. Mr Frimston But if the County Cjuncil get the money they can't deal with it. The Chairman In view of the decision given this week by Lord Alverstone and others that those who object to paying for education purposes may part of the poor rate, this question is quite in order here. Mr Frimston I agree with you. The Clerk In the event of the people refusing to meet the precept wbere will the overieers be ? ftMr Frimston was anxious to have a few more I words on the subject, but The Chairman thought it time HA kept his seat. "Don't let us quarrel so near Christmas,' added Mr R. LI. Jones. Mr 'Ellis Has the Denbigh County Council portion been paid by this Union, aLd, if so, WAS there any difference in the precept ? The Chairman I can't say. The matter before us now ia the Flintshire Count il. Mr T. Howes Roberts said he rcse to propose that the matter be deferred for a menth. That would, he thought, savo the overseers a consider- able amount of trouble, for by then they might have found out whether there was any cause for division at all on this question, or rather they might find out that it was a subject upon which tt e N ere not very much divided after all. When THE jprecept in question was issued it was understood that it would covet thr'e months. By the post- ponement of the appointed day from Janu uy to February they at once get oat of a month so far as the education question was concerned. It was qui TO possible that the appointed day might be deferred until after March, in which case he agreed with Mr Frimston that by meeting the precept in full they would be^handing over money that was not required. Be (the speaker) was afraid that the overseers of tbe different parishes are going to be put in a vary awkward position, and he for one would support the amendment. The Chairman: If this rate is due before a month's TI» £ S, tfeen tha Ovefeeer's will certainly be IQ worse position, lIr Morgan: When is the first call due ? Mr Ellis: It is due now. Mr R. C. Thompson said he was not a passive resister, but he took a keen interest in education matters. Personally, he saw little or no ground for all the strife that was goinSt on about religious teaching. He would support the amendment, provided a rider were added to the effect that the Clerk te instructed to write, asJring the Flintshire County Council whether they intended to enforce the rate of 2d. in the £ for educational purposes. Personally, he did not see that the County Council had a leg to stand upon if they were not going to administer the Act (hear, hear), it was not a question of passive RESISTANCE, but of ordinary JC a. d. Chairman The County Council are will- ing to administer the Act in their own way, but thh appointed day has been postponed for a month. Mr Thompson: And they may keep oa adjourn- ing it until September next. The Hev. Dr. Parry said the County Council T THEMSELVES were in a quandary, and would be in a W great difficulty with the rate when they leceived it. The Chairman: There is no doubt they will consider the matter at the earliest opportunity. ):1r Howea Roberts, in intimating his acceptance of the rider to his motion, said his object in moving the amendment was that they might find out the County Council's position io the matter. I Mr J. D. Jones thought thav would be on the right side by postponing the question for a month. Mr Robert Morns But what are you going to do when the precept has been served on the Overseers? The Chairman, replying to this and other observations, said the Overseers should eommuni- cnte with the Board. It was a question dealing with the Guardiaus as a Boird only. He took it that the Overseers would send in tbe amount they collected, and each individual ratepayer could please himself In the matter. Mr Ellis a (Justice of the Peace, might say, I will pay the whole of the rate," lest his anme might be struck off the Commission. Others might object for the rea-on th it 2d in the £ for educational purposes, and was not likely to be used because the Act was not likely to come into force for some time. It might further be presumed that the Countv Council would not press them fo" that amount; they were only human like themselves and would take a common sense view of the matter. It was not reasonable to have to pay 2i more than was required, and he always was in flivour of public bodies avoiding having much more than they required in hand, because it created a tendeucy to find some way of spendmar it Mr Pierce: That, 1 think, is a good argument for dslayiugr this matter a month The Chairman There wiil be no meeting of the County Council for another mouth at least. Mr Pierce This is not the first delay they have brought about, and the matter may be delayed still further. Mr Ellis having remarked that Mr Frimston's motion, if carried, would most likely involve 'wo collections of the poor rate, a divirion was tiken, and resulted in the amendment to adjourn the question for a month being carried by 17 votes to 11. For the amendment—Messrs J. 3. Ellis, Jebn Evans, G. F. Gunner. J. D. JoTies, Morris Jon..s. W. Jones, Edwin Morgan, Robert Morris, Owen Owens, John Pierce, r. Hewes Robe-ts, W. IS Roberts, R. C. Thompson, tjPO Williams John Williams, Wm. Wil iams. nd W. H. Hnsjhes. For Mr Frimston's motion-Messr R Davies (Bettws); John Frimston, John Joroe" (W»e> ): Mrs Robert Jones. Rev. Dr. Parry, aui Messrs Gwilym Parry, J. T. Parrv, David Roberts, Jet l. Roberts, and Edward Williams. Mr Gunner, by voting ><g,iololt the notion h* bad seconded, provoked considerable tunusemeot. and a little indignation. Mr Ellis then proposed that th Board do n .>t call upon the Overseers to comply with thi precept made apon them until the question h > t been settled, otherwise, he siid the Overseers would be placed in a very invidious position. The Chairman I can't accept that, Mr Kl is Mr Ellis I maintain it is perfectly in order. The Chairman (calling on the next businet4..) The Medicil Officer's report—~ — Mr Ellis (still sauding) I insist up >n > u accepting my motion. I will have the attention ot the other members of the Board if not yourself I is very invidious for us, as Overseers, to be 3. He" upon to pay a body- The Chairman I can't listen to that. Mr Ellis: Personally, I shall not ve$pot>d 10 the call. -101-

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