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NEWPORT CLOTHING Opposite the Post- Office, High-street. THOMAS DAVIES, IN expressing his gratitude for the extensive patronage he has received from the Public, respectfully invites those who have not inspected his STOCK to an early VISIT, feeling a strong conviction of being able to Offer them very great inducements to favour him with their orders. b The circumstance of his confining his attention to the WOOLLEN and MANCHESTER. Trade, and his experience in the MARKETS, as well as his adopting the principle of Buying and Selling for CASH, enables him to Offer GOODS, warranted of the best Fabric, extremely Moderate in Price. His Cutter is one of first-rate Abilities, possessed of Practical knowledge of the Art, under whose superin- tendence none but workmen of decided talent are employed, T. D. being determined to produce articles that may vie with those of any House for Elegance of Cut, Ease, and durability of Workmanship. Gentlemen are allowed to return any article, if not approved of, as respects cut, colour, quality, or make, although previously ordered. PARTICULAR ATTENTION PAID TO JUVENILE DRESSES, SERVANTS' LIVERIES- Every Article of MEN'S CLOTHING, Ready Made. Manufactured by him, warranted well made, and will be exchanged or the money returned, if not approved. .kt 8tnt1:al tIOtk Consists of WEST COUNTRY and YORKSHIRE Superfine CLOTHES, WATERPROOF BEAVERS, DOESKINS. CASSEMERES; Rich SILK and WOOLLEN VESTINGS; Fancy VELVETEENS, MOLESKINS, CORDS, &c.; GOSSAMER and BEAVEll HATS, warranted to retain their shape and colour, and not to spot with rain; BOYS' and INFANTS' CLOTH and VELVET CAPS; HOSIERY and SHIRTS. N.B.-TAILORS' TRIMMINGS. n:j» OBSERVE,— THOMAS DAVIES, OPPOSITE THE POST-OFFICE, HIGH-STREET, NEWPORT, MONMOUTHSHIRE. MACINTOSHES, INDIA RUBBER GARMENTS, MADE TO MEASURE, WARRANTED WATERPROOF. LONDON-HOUSE, DUKE-STREET, CARDIFF. J. GRIERSON BEGS to inform the inhabitants of CARDIFF and its Vicinity, that he has just completed his WINTER PURCHASES, and the whole of the NEW STOCK is now Ready for INSPECTION. Amongst the newest designs for Dresses are the Amongst the newest designs for Dresses are the Chene Royal, Cashmere Chene, and Chene de Laines, Every Shade of Colour in FRENCH and BRITISH MERINOES, ORLEANS, and various New Patterns in fine Plaid Wools. al zm (Y Li Will be found to contain every Novelty in SATIN, BROCADED SILK, SCARF, and BORDERED SHAWLS; the VICTORIA SATIN MANTLES and SQUARES, richly trimmed with Fur, and a choice lot of real SCOTCH PLAID SHAWLS and SCARFS. AN UNUSUALLY LARGE ASSORTMENT OF Ladies and Children's Beaver Bonnets, CHENE JND FIGURED SATIN RIBBONS, FEATHERS, FLOWERS, ORIENTALS AND OTHER BONNET MATERIALS, WINTER HOSIERY, GLOVES, §-c. be. J. GRTERSON begs to call particular attention to his Stock of Plain Goods, Sheetings, Blankets, Flan- aeb, &c., which he is now enabled to offer at a considerable Reduction, owing to the depressed state of the Manufacturing Districts. THE BEST WEST OF ENGLAND BROAD CLOTHS, (WILKIN'S GOODS,) In Uiffto, Blurs, Urotoma, antr Olibro, Now Selling at SIXTEEN SHILLINGS, usually Sold at TWENTY-ONE SHILLINGS. PILOTS, BEAVERS, & BUCKSKINS, AT THE SAME REDUCTION. SEVFRAL CASES OF THE BEST £IQ) rnw jpahuis Have just been received. ALBION HOUSE, HIGH STREET, IMPORTANT TO FAMILIES. AS the present distressed state of Trade in every branch, and more particularly in the Manufacturing Districts, holds out immense advantages to pttrties possessing* and using ibeir capital by Purchasing (under these circumstances) Goods at the greatest Reduction ever known, HO WELLS AND HERNE Have availed themselves of all these advantages, bjy Visiting the Markets of LONDON, MANCHESTER and SCOTLAND, at this time, and respectfully beg to inform their Friends and the public, they have just returned, and are enabled to offer the Richest, Choicest, and most Fashionable Goods (of the most sterling and approved makes and designs), which H. & H. feel convinced they stand pre-eminent by the immense and increasing patronage they enjoy, and which it will at all times be their .mxious study to maintain at rices, which must show at once they are the Cheapest lot of Goods ever offered to the Public. 2-1117 uvjiw a2LIJ-L.s, [})!.PJ[p;.f2 ill?J.) SU [£J!p CHENE, figured and Plain, SATIXETTS, BARA THEAS, SYRIAN and OTTOMAN figured POP- LINS, CHENE ROYAL, and PALESTINE, in great variety; ALPACA CLOTHS, CASHMERES- Figured and Imperial THIBET, of the softest textures, and all description of MERINO SAXnNv' and SPANISH CLOTHS; *» Real Ninch Edinbro' and Norwich Shawls, Of the Choicest STYLES, with a LARGE Lot of Long and Square GENOA VELVET Trimmed. THE FlIMY ilPaiTfflEKlT Consists of all the Newest Styles in RIBBONS, and every Material suitable/or the ensuing Season October 23. 1841. SOCIETY FOR PROMOTING CHRISTIAN KNOWLEDGE, ssj § Of the Anniversary Meeting of the District Committee FOR THAT PART OF THE DIOCESE OF LLANDAFF, SITUATE IN THE COUNTY OF GLAMORGAN, Held at Cambridge, on Tuesday, the 26th day of October, 1841, THE REVEREND AND WORSHIPFUL W. B. KNIGHT, M. A., CHANCELLOR OF THE DIOCESE, VICE-PRESIDENT, IN THE CHAIR. One Letter from the Rev. Mr. Parker, and five from Mr. Trigge, Accountant to the Parent Society, were retld. acknowledSCIDR the receipt of a copy of the Minutes of the Committee at their Anniversary Meeting on the 20 th of October. 1840, and remittances amounting to £ 440 10s. 1 Id., viz >434 4s. 1 Id on of Books, and £ 6 6s. Members' Subscriptions, '1U °" aLCOU»l The Treasurer's Account with the District Committee from September 1st, 1840, to September 1st 1841 as aPdited by the Itcv. J. Powel, and the Rev. L. A. Nicholls, was read, and appeared as follows:- Dr. £ s. d. Cr. £ s. d. Sept. 1, 1840. Sept. 1840. To Balance as per last Account 223 4 7 By remittances to Parent Society for To Subscriptions and Donations for the Books 434 4 11 Year. 170 5 0 By paid Cowbridge Hall keeper 0 2 6 Sept. 1, 1841. By paid for copying Minutes and Ac- To Amount of Books Sold at Cardiff 102 16 0 counts of last year 0 5 0 Cowbridge 11 15 8 By Rents of Depots 14 4 0 Bridgend 14 12 8 By Advertising in Cambrian 1 10 0 Margam.. 39 18 7 By Land Carriage from London to Neath, 23 3 0 Bristol. 7 18 7 Merthyr.. 21 6 11 By Freight from Bristol 2 5 9 M Dowlais.. 45 4 7 By Inland Carriage, Porterage, and « Aberdare 7 15 5 Package. 4 13 7 To Moiety of a Collection at Cardiff in By Postages, and Post Office Orders 0 7 0 aid of this Committee and that of the By Printer's Bill. 2 2 0 Society for the Propagation of the By Stationery, &c at various Depots 1 9 11 Gospel in Foreign Parts, after a By Coal and Sweeping, &e., at Cardiff' 0 10 0 Sermon by the Rev. T. Stacey 10 16 6l By Almanacks supplied by Mr.W.Bird 0 7 0 To Collection at Merthyr, in aid of the By Shelves and preparing Boxes 1 7 0 Committee, after a Sermon by the By Subscriptions advanced not received I I 0 Kev. William Leigh 5 8 7 ——————— Total Credits 472 8 3 f676 7 Balance in hand 203 19 3.1 The Number of Books Soldfrom September JC:676 7 6j 1, 1840, to September 1, 1841, was— # English and Welsh Bibles 748 Books, Tracts, Sgc., distributed gratuitously, Ditto Testaments, including Duoglotts 1070 Bibles Ditto Common Prayer Books, including Testaments jjtto 904 Common Prayer Books, &c Ditto Psalters ———— School Books and Tracts. Ditto Bound Books, School Books, and English 2002 Tracts 14799 Welsh Total Sold 17581 Total given 2002 Total SZold and Given by the Committee during the Year 19,583 The Number of Books sold and dúfJ";}vut.Jd p..atuiÚYURly by II. Ovmmittee since its establishment in 1814, has been,- Bibles 10,275 Testaments, including Duoglotts 19,343 Common Prayer Books, including ditto 19,074 Psalters 1,703 llound Books, School Books, and Tracts. 152,270 GrandTotal. 202.665 Moved by Lieut.-Colonel Morgan, and seconded by the Itev. J. Powel, and resolved unanimously, That the Abstract of Accounts, as audited, be confirmed, and together with the Report just read be advertised in the County newspapers, ard printed for circulation among the subscribers. Moved by J. Bruce Pryce, Esq., and seewwied by iheRev. E Griffiths and resolvpd unanimously, That the thanks of the Meeting be given to the Rev. J. Powel and the Rev. L. A. Nicholls, the Auditors of Accounts to the Committee, and that they be requested to continue their services. Moved by tbe Rev. Robert Nicholl, seconded by the Rev. Evan Morgan, and resolved unanimously. That the Kpv. Richard Evans, of Li.,ititris-,etit, be appointed Collector of Subscriptions between the Taff and Ely, instead of the Rev. Richard Prichard, who resigns. Moved by the Rev. T. E Edmondes, and seconded by the Rev. W. Thomas, and resolred unanimously, That the cordial thinks of the Committee be given to the Rev. William Bruce, for the admirable Discourse preached by him in Cowbridge Church before them this day. Moved by the Rev. R. Trovor Tyler, seconded by David Thomas, Esq., and resolved unanimously, That the best thanks of the Meeting be given to the Rev. Thomas Williams, for a remittance of E5. 8s. 7d., collected after a sermon preached by the Rev. William Leigh, on behalf of this Committee in Merthyr Church. Moved by the Rev. J. M. Traherne, seconded by the Rev. Thomas Stacey, and resolved unanimously, That the thanks of the Sub-cribers be offered to the Rev. John Harding and the Rev. John Williams, Assistant Secretaries, and to the Managers of Depots and Collectors of Subscriptions in the County, for their respective valuable services. Moved by J. Bruce Pryce, Esq., seconded by the Rev. L. A. Nicholls, and resolved unanimously, That the Committee atlious to bear testimony to the ready attention and liberality of the Parent Society towards this Diocese, and to the Principality at large, especially in the reasonable price at which Wehb Bibles are sold, and the late reduction in that of the small Welsh Bible and Welsh Common Prayer Books;—that the thanks of the Committee are accordingly tendered to the Venerable society;-aiid that the sum of One Hundred Pounds be remitted for the general purposes of the Society. W. B. KNIGHT, Chairman. Moved by the Rev. John Williams, seconded by Lieutenant-Colonel Morgan, and resolved unanimously, That the best thanks of the meeting be given tothe Reverend the Chancellor, for his kindness in taking the Chair, and for his attention to the business of the day. V tWS P4 pg £ THOMAS STACEY, Secretarv and Treasurer. 7., \.>, .ø THE YOUNG MAN who left BRISTOL on TUESDAY last, is earnestly requested by his Friends to return Home immediately, as Letters of consequence from his Relations are waiting for him. The circumstance alluded to in his last Letter to his Brother need present no obstacle to his Return. Bristol, Oct. 2S, 1841. THE CREDITORS of JOHN Mc.LENNEN, late of THE HEADf PENAKIII, Publican, who have not yet proved their DEBTS, are requested to send in their Claims to Mr. J. H. LANGLEY, Solicitor, Cardiff, on or before the 15th day of NOVEMBER next, or they will be excluded from all Benefit under the Deed of Assignment made by the said JOHN Mc.LENNEN, for the benefit of his Creditors, sign- ing the same. 29th October, 1S11. SOCIETY FOR THE PROPAGATION OF THE GOSPNL XN FOUESGN PABTS. iDiTUCT gillMTrai fOR THAT PART OF THE DIOCESE OF LLANDAFF, SITUATE WITHIN THE COUNTY OF GLAMORGAN. MINUTES of PROCEEDINGS at the ANNI- VERSARY MEETING, held at COWBRIDGE, on TUESDAY, October 26th, 1841;- THE REV. W. B. KNIGHT, M. A., Chancellor of the Diocese, in the Chair, Resolved, That it appears from the Accounts of the Treasurer, audited by J. Bruce Pryce, Esq., and Lieut -Col. Morgan, that the Donations and Subscriptions for the year, commencing January 1st, 1841, amount to £ 127 8s. 4d- That the Disbursements include the following items, of which the aggregate is X127 8s. 4d. 1840. C. s. d. October, Editor of Merthyr Guardian for Advertisements 1 4 0 Editor of Cambrian for ditto 13 1, 1841. April, Mr. Bird, printing Minutes, &c. 1 18 0 Carriage of parcels, &c. 0 5 0 May 20, Transmitted to Parent Society.. 122 18 3 £ 127 8 4 That the thanks if this Meeting be given to the Rev. Thomas Stacey, M.A., lor his Sermon preached in Cardiff Church, on the 17th instant, and for the Moiety of the Collection after It, amounting to .flo 16s. 6id. 2 That the thanks of this Meeting be given to the Rev. John M. Traherne and the Rev. John Harding, for their services. W. B. KNIGHT, Chairman. J. M. TRAHERNE, TREASURER. Birmingham and Gloucester Railway. rilHE PUBLIC is informed, that on and after JL MONDAY, the FIIIST of NOVEMBER, this Company will be prepared to Convey Goods between BRISTOL and BIRMINGHAM, LIVERPOOL, or MANCHESTER, at the following Scale of charges, exclusive of Collection or Delivery in Bristol or Birmingham:—■ B* Mv« en Bri*fol Be' ween Bristol and Biriuiuglium, 8n" Liveri 001, » or Alaticliebter, If the conveyance be- tween Bristol and Gloucester be by wattr,— s. a. s. d. In the first Classification, per ton 12 0 See 13 6 Third 17 6 32 6 Fourth 22 6 4J 0 Fifth 32 6 60 0 II' the conveyance I.e. tween Br stol ft G ori. l'estr lie by Laml, In the Fourth Classification, per ton. 35 0 52 6 Fifth 42 0 70 0 Goods from Bristol for Liverpool or Manchester, which are expressly ordered by Land Carriage between Bristol and Gloucester, will be delivered at their destination on the following morning, those by water in ordinary course. The charge for Collection or Delivery of Goods, in Birmingham, will be Two shillings per Ton; in iflktol, Two shillings and six-pence per Ton. •ists of the principal articles in each Classification, and levery information may, be obtained on applica- tion, either personally or by letter, to Mr. Kidder, Camp Hill Station, Birmingham, or at any of tnCt Company's Offices or Booking Stations; or to IL- Southan and Son, the appointed Agents of the Com- pany, at Bristol, to whom it is respectfully requested that Goods from thence, intended to be forwarded by this Railway may be consigned. H. Southan and Son are also the appointed Agents of the Company at Newport, Carditf, Swansea, &c. By Order, GEQHGE KING, Secretary. 12, Waterloo Street, Birmingham, 26tli October. 1841. MR BRENDON, S URGEON DENTIS. T, No 7, Duke-street (opposite the Post Office), CARDIFF. INTENDS to reside in the above town, and feels I assured from his knowledge of bis profession, having been educated with a Surgeon and a Surgeon- Dentist, to gain the confidence of all those who may require his advice. Mr. Brendon. in his artificial work, makes use of the new Mineral Teeth, which can be adapted to every shadu of colour, and from their never decaying, or being acted upon by wear, will keep their appearance for any length of time. Cardiff, Aug. 27,1841. Theatre, Cardiff.-BY AUTHORITY. The Management begs to announce that MR. WOULDS Is engaged for a few Nights, and will make his first appearance this Season, on MONDAY. First Night of a New BALLET, called Camacho's Wedding, In which Mr. and Mrs. LECLERCQ will appear. First time here, a New Historical Farce. On MONDAY, November I, 1841, Will be presented the popular Comedy, called SWEETHEARTS AND WIVES. Billy Lackaday. Mr. WOULDS, In which Characterlhe wIll Sing the Billy Lackaday's Lament." Charles Frankly n Mr. Braid Admiral Franklyn Mr. Mulford Mrs. Bell Mrs. Macnamara Laura. Mrs. G. Norman Eugenia .Miss Ellis -0- After which, an entirely, New RAl.i-ET, oallcd CAMACHO'S WEDDING, In which MR. AND MRS. LECLERCQ WILL APPEAR. To conclude wi'h the Historical Farce, called THE TAIL OB OF TAMWORTH, Gregory Thimblewell. Mr. W. H. Angel On TUESDAY, November 2nd, the National Drama. called [JJ q) lJJ Li (i) Rob Roy Macgregor Campbell Mr, Chas, Perkins Francis Osbaldistone Mr Redfern Baillie Nicol Jarvie Mr. Woulds Helen Macgregor Mrs Macready. WITH OTHER ENTERTAINMENTS. -0- STAGE MANAGER, Mr. CHARLES PERKINS. Of the Theatres Royal Covent Garden and Drury Lane. BOXES, 3s.-—PIT, 23;-GALLERY, Is.-Half- Price, a Quarter before Nitie, The Performance will be so arranged as to ter- minate on each Evening by Eleven o'clock. F Persons wishing the bills of performance to be left at their Houses, are requested to signify the same to the Management. The Rev. Francis Tavnton, Clerk, has been nomin- ated to the Perpetual Curacy of Ystradowen, in this county, on the resignation of the Rev. Richard Williams, the last Incumbent; Patron, the Chan- cellor of L'andaff. The Municipal Elections take place on Monday next, in the South Ward ther^is no opposition; but Mr. Allen, Pastry Cook, center the North Ward. The conclusion of the report of the Glamorganshire Sessions will be fuund in our Fourth page, BRECONSHIKE. Important and Extensive Sale OF FARMING STOCK, CROPS, AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS, &c. HUGH JONES, Begs to announce that he has been instructed to SELL BY AUCTION, Without the least Reserve, On WEDNESDAY and THURSDAY, the 10th and 11 th diys of NOVEMBER, 1841, AT TYSIAWB, TWO MILES DISTANT FROM BRECON, THE WHOLE OF THE 2 u (E) (D M, CROPS, AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTS, &C. Of the late Charles Claude Clifton, Esq., Deceased, CONSISTING of 87 Head of HEREFORD, c JERSEY and KYLOE (2 cQ tP [l l!J lJ?) Viz:—17 Milch Cows, 13 in Calf Heifers, 3 Fat Cows, 5 four years old Bullocks, 9 three years old ditto, 10 two years old ditto, G two years old Heifers, 19 yearling Cattle, 4 Calves, and a two years old Bull, of the Hereford breed. 1350 SHEEP, Leicester and Mountain, in suitable Lots, viz :— 756 Wethers (most of them being fit for the Butcher), 355 Ewes, and 239 other Sheep. 10 Young and Powerful Draught Horses, with their Gearing, 2 Colts, 1 Hack Horse, 1 Lady's Pad perfectly steady in Harness, 1 Pony Mare and Colt, and 2 Mountain Ponies. 46 Alentejo, and other Pigs. About 70 Tons of well harvested Hay, which may be removed off the Premises. Several Hundred Bushels of Wheat, in the Straw ditto of Barley ditto of Oats and about 16 Acres of Turnips. A Newly Buitt; 5-Horse Thrashing-machine; Winnowing-machine Haymaking-machine; 6 Waggons 6 Carts; Market Cart; Scufflers; Ploughs Harrows, &c., &c. Together with Three Close Carriages; AND A PAIIe OF CARRIAGE HORSES, 17 Hands high. The Sale will commence each day precisely at 12 o'clock and Four Months' Credit will be given on approved security.
THERE is no question now agitating the public mind in which the spirit of party should less in- trude than the reform of the Pooi Laws. It should be discussed with a temper and modera- tion due to the magnitude of the interests it involves, and without reference to any political section by which its present condition was sug- gested. A very able article in the last number of the Edinburgh Review has, we think, satisfactorily proved that the early legislation with regard to the poor was in the highest degree oppressive. That from the Acts of Edward III. to those of Elizabeth, the poor laws were only parts of a systematic attempt to restore villanage, to confine labourers to their parishes, to regulate the price of their labour, to punish the assertion of their free agency, and to render them as effectually ascripti glebce as the Polish serfs. To these laws the labourers dict not very readily submit, and the English Statute book is disgraced by enactments, inflicting punishments of the most barbarous kind on the refractory. Then came the Acts of Elizabeth, making, it is true, a kindly provision for the impotent poor, but mercilessly directed against the able bodied, and making no provision for the industrious who were willing and able to labour, but could not procure work. These acts gave, for the first time, Justices the power of taxing at their discretion those who refused to contribute to the relief of the impotent, and to supply work to the able bodied. From the time of Elizabeth to the passing of the Poor Law Amendment bill, the acts of the Legislature seem to have been directed to the relaxation of the rigour of previous laws, but the moral condition of the labourer was not improved,—he was con- fined to his parish, maintained according to his wants, not to the value of his services, restrained from misconduct by no fear of loss, and therefore stimulated to activity and industry by no hope of reward. The workhouse system was contained in a clause of the 9th Geo. I., enabling the over- seers, with the consent of the inhabitants, to purchase or hire a house, and to keep and main- tain therein any poor of the parish desiring relief, and enacting that no poor who refused to be lodged and kept in such houses, should be enti- tled to ask or receive parochial relief. This is the foundation of the present Poor Law bill-and had the clause of the 9th Geo. I., which we have quoted, been carried out in the spirit of its enactment, or with the success which attended the first years of its experiment, we question if the more recent laws would have been necessary. —"Theory" says the Bishop of Llandaff, "never was verified so promptly and unequivocally by practice as in the early declension of these institutions, (poor houses) and in their utter in. efficiency when left to themselves, or which is nearly the same thing to any body of rulers, how- ever wisely framed." We have only to recall to thememoryof our readers the state and condition of the labouring poor, and the amount of the rates that was necessary to maintain them, to show the necessity for a revision of the law. The former were a generation of pauperised labourers," and the latter had grown to the enormous annual sum of nearly seven millions. A commission was appointed to enquire, and the Poor Law Amendment Act was the consequence. That law we think is still but an experiment, and as such, if it be vigorously watched so ought it 190 to be fairly tried. Its operation in particular cases may be severe, and the jealousy of entrust- ing guardians with a discretionary administration may be pushed too far-yet upon the whole this is expedient. Too great a relaxation of principles would replunge the country into, pauperism. The danger of making expeptions, in what may seem particular cases, is, that such exceptions would soon form the rule. If for example an employer should from any cause deduct two shillings a week from the wages of his labourer, and send him to a Board of Guardians fQ, Gufc-.door relief, their compliance would be established as a prin- ciple, the example would spread, and the old detestable plan of pauperising labourers by part payment in wages and part in rates would be restored. It is always with deep regret. that we see the admixture of politics ir^ the, discussion, of this great legislative measure. It was, we admit, the measure of a Whig Administration, but it had the support an,d approbation of all the leading members of the present Cabinet, AND Q them devolves a full share- of the responsibility. I Its continuance is now limited to a year, and it I will undergo a strict investigation in the enatisg Session of Parliament,—what we demand for it t is a clear stage. We can forgite the mistaken views of a sincere but falsa humanity, but we j deprecate the intrusion of motives sometimes political and often factious. Let the law be tried, and stand or fall on its own merits. That it is capable of amendment there is but little dispute. If it be found to have fulfilled one of its great purposes the elevation of the moral character of the labouring classes, more especially in the agricultural districts, let it have the praise. If it j have pressed with severity on the suffering poor, 1 -if if have dealt pitilessly with human frailty, and urged suffering into crime and despair,—if.it j has too much disregarded the cry of the widotf and the orphan let it bear the blame. Let us all ) conspire in the spirit of kindness towards those for whose benefit it is intended, to remedy its J defects, and to perfect its purposes for good. We are sincerely of opinion that the internal peace and tranquillity of the country are involved in the issue.
THE INSURRECTION ]IN SPA, N.rhe Gallant Gen- eral Diego Leon has been executed.—A powerful Pensatioiv has been created by the publication of an official document addres-ed by NI. Olaziigd, file Span- ish Minister in Paris, to the C.iptain General ot the Basque province8, detailing the interview which he had with QueenChrUtiua at Paris, Oil the 10th iullt., according to tliis despatch, Queen Christina herself disowns O'Donnell and his unhappy dupes M. O:o:t,'a first details some questions which he put to the ex-Regent, to which Her Majesty replied "Ihat it was not iruHth.it she had appointed General O'Don- nell Viceroy of Navarre or Captain General of Bas- que provinces; that it was not true she had given to him,'or toothers any authority whatever, nnd said it would have been absurd on her part to have done so, as she herself possessed none. Whatever their acts might be they Aereconitititied oil their own res- ponsibility. Her Majesty repeated these astiurances several times adding, that 'she defied any proof to the contrary." Thus fall all the accusations made against the Queen and against the French Govern- ment, who have been accused by several journals in Fiance and England, of having encouraged the late insurrection in Spain and unless Queen Christina announces officially th.1 0:1 r' Olozaga declaied was false, it must be coiisideld as aiiiheittic.-It is stated tbat Esparlero h#s sent 'n overwhelming force to attack the insurgents in the Bafcquc^iroviuces, and in Navarre.
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LONDON money maukkt (From the ofHcial list, containing the business actually tran*ac'ed.) CLOSING PRfCES OF BRITISH STOCKS—WEDNESDAY. Bank Stock, 161. 5 1 St. ck, 243 3 per cent Re l., 96.J I India Bonds. 2 pm 3 per ct Cons., 87J South Sea Old Anne, 8.j 3A per ct Anns. IHIS, 96J Do. New, — 3$|>er cent Iti d.j m j Cons- for Opg., 90 I New 3.1 per cis, 99f, tIO00 Ex. B. 21 11 pm J Lorg An. 1860. 12 ffi 00 do. 8 I'J pm 1 S 8 12 in l)o. 1U \ra., 180<>, 12 5-16 jSpiull 1in aM Du. 3t>irs., 1859,^J 4 L. A PRICES Of FOH.EION^S'TOCKS—WEDNESDAY. ) Amtrinn, Poi ii.gnt-se 3 percent,— Ii,zílian, f'8 Unssian tIO Ditto Account, I¡ Pitl" Mi tii.l c Colii'iibi.ui, 18f Sp inish 5 pi-rct, 20 I9J Do. Bonds, 1824. Ditto Acco'int, 25,\ Ditto Acc Nov. la 19 DillO Passive. Dillu U..r. I)iito I)eferre,t. Colnm ex Venezuela, 9j Fr Rentes.3 per ct,— Dani-li — Exchange,— 31exiciin 5 pei- ceiit., DuU li per cent, 50J 2 Ditto Dilt i Account.— Peruvian, Ace. Dutdi 5 pel cent, 99 £ Poi tugnes* 3 per rent, New Loan, 5 per ct., 96J New fj pH renL. 301 Ditto Account, Ditto, Ate SHARES Great Western, 76 I National Provincial Bank Do New, 55^ I of liiiglaml. 31 D> Fi it Us, 7| I Lond'111 & Birmingham, I5CJ LA T EST IV TELL I GEN G El. LONDON MARKETS. GENERAL AVERAGE PRICES OF CORN.perQuar ter, computed from the I aspectoi sl Returns. GENKUAL AVEKASE. I. II. s. d. Wheat. 62 3 Rye 3S 3 Barley 31 6 B.!ais 38 6 Oats 21 8 Peas 38 6 AGGREGATE A VEKACE OF LAST SIX WEEKS. «. <i.. s. rt. Wheat 61 I Rye 38 0 Barley 35 9 j Beam 42 9 Oats 22 5 I Peas 42 2 DUTY ON FOREIGN CORN. s. d. s d Wheat 22 8 Rye f2 6 Barley f Beans. 6 0 Oats 13 9 P^as 6 6 CORN EXCH ANG XL—Monday, Sep. 20. WHEAT, Esse*, Kent, and Suffolk red lil. i-ll Ditto white 67s — 82J Norfolk and LinclIlI red (- ?a — 71 Ditto .wLite 6ts — 71s Northumberland and Scotch red 5: 65s Ditto tine fiG, — 68s RYE, ..Old.36s — 3/s New 4'ts — 42s Blank 329 — 36< BARLEY,Grinding.30s 32s Distillitiz.. 33. — 35s Malting 36, 3 gi MALT, ..Br wa .48s — 53s Pale — 66s Ware C, 7 ,69, BKANS, Ticks, old an' new 32s 41), Harrow 40 i — -14s Pigeon. 41i. — 483 PEAS, ..Gey 30s — 38s Maple. 38H — 40s White 36* — 4>s OATS, ..L'ncolnshire and Yorkshire Feed. 23s — 24* Poland.,25s — :27$ Scotch, m-w.. 24s — 26s Potato.26 — 28 Irisii, whit. li$ — 25s Ditio, black.. 2_'s — 24s SMITHFIELD MARKET—MONDAY, A Statement an.1 Comparison of the Supplies ai-d Prlres of Fat Stock, Exhibited and Sold in SmiiiitieM Callie Market, ou Monday, Oct. 26, 1810, and Monday, Oct. 251h. 1811. Sep. 14, 1810. Sep 1-1, 1841 ». tt. s. <t. e.d.s.d. Coar-" and inferior Beasts ti-t. 34-tu3- 0 Second quality ditto 3 4 4 8.3 8 3 10 Pnme lalglt Oxen 3103042 Prime S,otm, &e. 4 4 4 4.4 4 4 6 CoarseandinreriorSbeep 3 4 3 8"003 4 3 6 Socond quality ditto 3 10 4 0.3 8 4 0 Prime C"aise wo. lh d ditio ..4 2 4 0.4 2 4 6 Prime SoulhUolvo ditto 4 8 5 0 ..4850 LaintiS 0 0 0 0.0 4 0 u L.rge coarse Calves 4 4 4 8. 4 8 4 10 Prime small ditto 4 10 5 0.5 0 5 4 La. ge H (lgs 4 0 4 6.4 8 5 0 Neat small Porkrll 4 8 4 10.5 2 6 4 SUPPLIES. Oct 14, 1840. Oct. 13, 1811 Beasts 3733 i,77 Sheep and Lainljs 25,170 23,080 Calves HQ 106 7St 603 HAY, CLOVER, AND STRAW. Per load <>f 26 tiussen. Smiihfield. £ s. £ ». Wlntechapel, £ "• £ s. Hay 4 0 5 0 Hay 4 10 5 0 Clover 5 5 6 0 C:over 5 10 6 5 S.raw 1 18 2 2 Straw 1 16 2 0 Cumberland. I P. rtmtn, EJgeware-road. Hay 4 5 5 5 Hay 4 0 4 10 Clover 5 0 5 15 Clover 5 0 6 1 Straw 2 0 2 4 Straw 1 18 2 3 BOLtOUGfl Hot, MARKET. MONDAY LAST- Essl Kent in Pockets 7 5 to 9 9 DiUo in ba^« 6 0 to ? 0 Ali I Kent in Irockets 7815 Ditto in Bigs 5 10 to 6 15 6 0 to 6 15 Dit'o in Bags 0 0 to 0 0 P,tr,-I,i,m 13 0 to 16 0 Old Olds 2 0 to 4 0 COWBRIDGE. W heat (imp. b.) 7s. 6d 88 °"1 Veal. O. 7d. Barley 3s. 6rl 4s. 4d Pork ..».»•«• tW "*• 0 Oats .8s. 8d 3s. 0.1 Lamb. d- its /d Clever,per lb.. "— fld — Od Butter .•• Is 0d Is- i(| Beef, per lb Qg. /d. 0s 0d Cheese.. •••• 6d. Os. /it Mutton (perlli.) Its 7d os I) I NEWBRIDGE MARKET. dd. Wheat (Imp. b.) 6 9 I Mutton.0 5.J Barlev 3 9 | Veal. •••0 0 On s. 2 3 Lamb 0 0 B,:ef 00 1 Llork .00 Fresh Sutler.1 3
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SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE SHIPPING…
SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE BUTE DOCKS, CARDIFF. ARRIVALS. — ARRIVALS. m TAFF, Hart; Bi isto1, Dinaic, Carter, ditto, Torridge, Shipley. Barnstaple, Merthyr Packet, Evans, Biistol, Sarah, Ley, Yoviyjhal,' Commerce, lretneaine, Penzance, Ceres, Turnbull, Bristol, Messenger, Fall, VVaterford, Willidft., Maggs, Bristol, lttiondda, FriAr. ditto, Swift, Wills, ditto, Franklyn. Gumming*, ditto. Air, Fennings, Penzance, Active, Anthony, ditto, Spring, Fortune, Belfast, Yarmouth, Broom, Cnamiel, Lady Charlotte, Jeffreys, Bristnl Nautilus, Allen, ditto. DEPARTUHKS. Industrie, Adtzliae, Oporto, Rose, Baylrg, Naples, Maybrough, Cooper, London, Pilot, Peterson,Ham- burg, Gerinania, Wolff, Constantinople, Emma, Pal- lister, London, Martha, Knox, Waterford, Mary Jane, M'Grath, ditto. Resolution, Braliyn, ditto, Bridget, O'Brien, Barcelona, Comet, Head, Water- terforrf, Eliza, Bellard, di-to, TYIIP. Chapman, ditto, William and SfHy. French, ditto, Mary Ann, Dono- van, Kinsale, Felicity, Beynon, Ross, La Plata, Walsh, Cork, 4n, Hudson. London, Tucker. Low- 4her, Waterford, Alfred, Galgey, ditto, William, Fisher, ditto, Elizabeth, Tuplin, ditto, A"tia Maria, Roberts, Limerick, Alexander, Hooper, Waterford, Cambria, Mahony, Kinsale, Joseph, Care, S'. Ives, Prince Leopold, Whelan, Oungarvan, Mary Ann, Billing, Saint Ives, Breeze, lliggins, Dungarvan. Countess Fortescue, Hoilow, st. Ives,Tiger,Whiiiy, Ross, Argyle, Cultance, Pcnryn, Resolution, Long, Kinsale, Auspicious, Spray, llayle. Sir Alexander M'Kenzie, Da»ies,-Waterford, Jane, Thomas, llayle, Arab, Whelan, Waterford, Brothers, Avery, St. Alenf's, Reward, Anthony, St. hell, David Walter, Jenkins, Waterford, Pacific, Sytnous, ditto, Leiitia, Bannoke, Penzance, John, Power, Waterford, Val- entine, Williams, ditto, Yarmouth, Broom, Channel, Dove, Fitzgerald, Dungarvan, Taff, Hart, Biistol, Dinas, Carter, dilto, Tonirtge, Shipley, Barnstaple, Merthyr Packet, Evans, Bristol, Win .m, Maggs. ditto, Rhondda, Friar, d.ttn, Swift, Mills, ditto. Commerce, Tremeaine, St. Ives, Nautilus, Allen, Bristol, Lady Charlotte, Jeffreys ditto. FOREIGN SHIPPING LIST. Vessels Chared Outward and Loading for Foreign Parts. Deolinntinn. P. Matter. T. Oporto Industrie Adizliae 198 Naples Rose Bi.yies 234 Hmnburg Pilot Petersen 358 Constilittitiople..Germatiia Wolf f. 186 Barcelona Bridget O'Brien 303 Syra Ilenriette Halendeeld 130
GLAMORGANSHIRE CANAL. - ARRIVALS.
GLAMORGANSHIRE CANAL. ARRIVALS. DORA, Rossiter, from Wexford, with oats-Castle. Morgan, from Bristol, with sundries-Blossom, Reed, from Minehead, with ore — Minerva, Harvey, from Bideford, with oats, &c-lndustry. Uavies, from Brid water, in ballast—Elizabeth, Davies, from Bristol, with sundries—Endeavour, Greening, from Gloucester, with fruit- William, Smith, from Gloucester, in bal- Jast—Robert, Clampitt, from Newport- with iron- Ifeovely, Rowland, from,Cardigan, with oats—Amity, i-iHtub from Bristol, with sundries—Ann, Bushen, from Minehead, with ore Bee, Casey, from Cork with oats, &c-Venus, Linton, from Newry, Maria Elizabeth, Frage, from Elsfleth, in ballast-William, Collins. from Newport, with sleepers- Fly, Ayland, from Gloucester, with sundries-Moderator, West- lake, from Watchet; Pilot, Pill, from Bideford; Vine, Downing, from Bristol; Hebe, Partridge, from loucefiter Thomas, Jewill, from Bristol, with b-,tll,tst -Cardiff Trader, Barratt, from Gloucester- ftoyai Forester, Furney, from Bridgwater, with sun- dries—Mary, Hooper, from Br'istol, with ore—Three Brothers, Browning, from Gloucester, with fruit- Devonport, Bed well, from Plymouth, in ballast- Eliza, Batson, from .Preston, with ore-Ann. Lewis. from Mulford, in hallast-Lark, Mays, from Glouces- ter, with fruit- Le Jeune Angeste, Buke, from Entel, in ballast-Secret, Pophatn, from Padstow, with ore—Amelia, Crouch, from Padstow, with sundries- Ellen, Rowland, from Mulford, with pig iron-Emily, Evans, from Bristol, with oats. DEPARTURES. Le Bienfaisant. Lnlande, for Rouen-Castle, Mor- gan, for Bristol—Familie, for Malta-Elizétbeth, Davies, for Bristol-Nlaria Elizabeth. Frage, for Dort-Taff Vale, Williams, for Liverpool- Hehe. Patridge, for Oporto-Robert, Clampitf, for New- Port-Her.ild, Sichr, for Hamburgli-Clifton, Hooper, for Lisbon Flora, Tabbens, for Altona-Amity, Lamb, for Bristol- Ellen, Howland, for Malaga— Douro, Reid, ibr Liverpool, all with iron—John George, Guilliford for Bridgwater—Minerva, Har- vey, tor Bldefilrd- Venu! Furaey, for Bridgwater- Industry, Davies, for Bridgwater-Elizabetli, Adam- son, for Belfast-Jaoe. Paynter, for St. Ives-Nally, Thomas, for St. Ives-Metnnon, Williams, for Watt,,rford-D,,)ra, Rossiter, for Newport, Pilot. Pill, for Ilfracombe—Moderator, Wedlake, for Watchet- William, Collins, for Bristol-Amelia, Couch, for Padstow—Ann, Lewis, for Milford, all with coal- Nymph, Hughes, for Belfast, with sundries—Wil- nam, Smith, for Lydney, wiih bricks—Ann, Bushen, for Minehead, in ballast—Three Brothers, Browning, for Gloucester, in ballast—Briton, Lewis, for Water- ford, with iron and coal-Ann, Jones, for Portmadoc -Royal Forester. Furney, for Bridgwater-Emily, Evans, for Youghal, with coal.
NEATH SHIPPING LIST.
NEATH SHIPPING LIST. Cleared Out. OCEAN, Hopkins, Liverpool; Neptune, Beale, Exeter; William nnd Amelia, Dyer, Fowey; Morfa, Francis, Bristol; Betsy, Barrow, Portinllaeii; Jane, Jones, Port- madoc AIIII, Phillips, Swansea; Providenco, Thomas, and Mary Ann, Hughes, Conway, Dove, Davies, Ballinucurra; Armada, Furlong, Wexford; Mary, P-trker, Cork; Britannia, Bvrne, Petrel, Howliu, and W,it(irloo, V%'all, Wicklow. Coal shipped at Newport from October the 21st to the 27th, 1841, both days included;- Coastwise Ireland Toiis Tons Newport Coal Co 2657 r99l Latch and Cope 665 J. Poole, jun 838 I J. F. II aoson 199 j Rock Coal Co 567 165 Rees and Gough GO W.S.Cartwriglit 832 105 Tredegar Co il Co 170 156 Porthmawr Coal Co 78 Nit)n. Iron & Coal Co 40 John Russell and Co 190 163 E. Rogers and Co Cwmcelyn and BlainaCo. «_ Richard Davies.. Ebs\yorth Tapson — Coql brought down the Monmouthshire Canal Com- pany's Tram Roads, and Canal, from the 18th to the 23rd of October, 1841, both days inclusive. Freighters Tram road Canal 6 Tons Tons Thomas Powell 1888 175 Thomas Proiliero 954 75 Martin Morrison 499 150 Rock Coal Co 419 Clelllents, JOlles. & Williams 303 Rosser Thomas and Co 483 Thomas Phillips and Son 278 S Ca..twrlcyht 310 — James Poole, jun 571 J F Hanson 199 Tredegar Coal Co 1085 Latch and Cope. 40 W and R Thomas. 523 Jones & Cleiiivnts 303 Rees and Gough R J Blewjtt 200 John Vipond 292 Joseph Latch J Nicliolas — — Charles Jones. 50 R Welsh &; Co Monmouth Iron and Coal Co. 75 IRON T( N,. Tram Road brought down. 1460| Canal I618§ HIGH WATtR AT NEWPORT. ) Morning. Evening. Ff. wi. H. Si. Sunday, OCT. 31.6 54 7 13 Monday, NOV. I 7 29 7 53. Tuesday, 2 8 6 8 31 Wednesday 3.M.. 8 42 9 12 Thursday, — 4 9 25 9 58 Friday 5 10 9 10 51 S.t,i,day, II 19 II 30 HIGIt WATKI AT BRISTOL, & (Proti iimt's Tide Table.) IIKH WATER. Cumb. Bathnrst DA^S* iVbrn. liven. Gates. Gates. —j —-— OCT. H. M H. *1 FT. INC. FT. INC Sunday 31 7 24 7 43 32 1 20 10 Monday Nov ..1 7 »9 8 23 32 0 20 9 Tuesday 2 8$6 9 I 31 I 19 10 Wednesday 3 9 >2 9 42 29 8 IS 5 Thursday 4 9 55 10 28 27 9 16 6 Friday 5 10 # II 21 25 5 14 2 Saturday 6 11 4? — — 24 2 12 It EQUATION OF THE TIDES. These Equations, applied to lie abuve Table, will give the Approximate Times of High Water, at the following Places o,, the Coasts of Enf land and Wales. H.M. H.M Aberystsvith. add 0 15. Liverpool add 4 a Caernarvon f add 1 45 j Newport, Mon.. sub 0 36 or's 0"" Cardiff lioad •• sub. 0 5-5| Portsmouth add 4 20 Cardigan Bar sub. 0 15| Swansea Baf sub 1 14 Carmarthen Bay sub. I 5j Thames'Mouth sub 5 45 Chepstow sub. 0 l3| 21 Sunday after Trinity. S I Lesson 2 Chapter — Habak. Morning J g Luke# „ i I Lesson 1 Chapter —Pro. Eve,n« 2 Lesson 1 Chapter Col HUNTING APPOINTMENTS. Mr. A.LORGAN,S HOUNDS will meet on Monday, Nov. Ifit. at Castletown Wednesday, Nov. 3rtf at Highcross Friday, Nov. 5th at Croscorneinon Each day at half-past Eleven o'clock. The COWBRIDGE HARRIERS will meet on Monday, Nov. 1st at Pensilvania Thursday, Nov. 4th at Black Hall I Each day at half-past Ten o'clock.
NOTICES TO CORRESPONDENTS.
NOTICES TO CORRESPONDENTS. We are much obliged to our Correspondent at Bridgend, and shall be always glad to hear from him. A FATHER.-We think the nuisance will be done away with without the publication of his Letter.
A;. IT will be seen that the Ecclesiastical i8- j sioners have made a report with a recommenda- i tion subsequently confirmed by an order in Council for such augmentation of one hundred i poor benefices as will produce to the ¡ Incumbents the annual income of £ 150. The funds for this purpose have been obtained by the 1 suspension of sundry canonries and prebends in j Cathedrals and Collegiate Churches. That such incomes are sfnall enough the warmest advocates for clerical poverty will we think agree, more especially when we state that in each case the 1 amount of population under the pastoral charge of the Incumbent is afc least two thousand. As to the means by which this sum, less probably than four thousand a year, has been obtained, men will have different opinions. Of a plan re- commended by high Episcopal authority it becomes us to speak with deference. It is we think one of those expedients which only the cir- cumstances in which the Church is placed can excuse, for it has a manifest tendency to give a character of insecurity to endowments, and to' arrest the hand of pious benevolence. The sus- pension of Canonries and Prebends is but a gentle word for confiscation, and four thousand a year is but a small sum to raise in one hundred parishes, if the zeal of Churchmen were what it once was, and what it ought to be, nay, we be- lieve, what it is, if duly called forth and rightly directed. Wherever" says Mr. H. W. Wilber- force, speaking on this subject, Church pro- perty has been confiscated, there the people have ceased to give to the Church. Sacrilege not only absorbs the offerings of devout men of old, but prevents those of devout men in future." We have spoken of Episcopal authority for the appro- priation of Cathedral revenues to parochial pur- poses. We have some doubt on this point. Of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners the Prelates are- a minority, and one of them has publicly declared his disapprobation of the principle, and another has as openly asserted that they (the Bishops) were appointed not to consider the scheme but to direct its execution. It is better, we grant, that one hundred poor Benefices should be increased, than that a dozen Canons and Prebendaries should "'<11 live in indolence. But if Cathedral endowments have been thus perverted, and there is but little doubt of the fact, we respectfully submit, that the better plan would be to correct the abuses, to restore the efficiency, and to make these Dignan, tories what they were intended to be,phampiol18 and Defenders of the Church, and Ministers of, her daily Services. We repeat the opinion we have ventured often to express, that if the neces- sities of the Church were fairly submitted to the public, by the highest authority, that of the Bishops, there would flow into her Treasury such free-will offerings as would, we will not say pro- vide for her necessities, but greatly reduce the burthen of them, without infringing the principle or violating the sacredness of other endowments. We are persuaded that there is affection eneugh, that there is self-denial enough to do this. The confiscation of the revenues of the Church for secular uses is sacrilege their confiscation to our selfishness, and to evade our duties and obliga- tions as Churchmen, is hardly more defensible.
Vi -— THE manufacture of votes at Dowlais, by whom- soever superintended, is scandalous and disgrace- ful, and the whole machinery by which the nefarious process is carried on ought to be put down by legislative interference. We have ab- solutely upon our county register names. of parties whose houses are merely bad intentions, the walls not a foot high, and to talk of such things as property, and secured by title deeds would be as absurd as to claim a vote for a Chateau en Espagne," a Castle in the Air/ or an habitation in the Moon. They are, how- ever, not deeds without a name," and the true names for them and their contrivers are Fraud and Falsehood. Under what section of the Reform Act we ask are such enormities permitted ? where is it enacted that a house to be built for a man of straw, shall entitle the phantom to a vote ? Let it never be forgotten that these fictions are perpetrated in the tenth year of the Reform Bill and sanctioned by men who glory in the name of Reformers. That these transactions are broad palpable evasions, is manifest from the darkness in which they ^are concocted,, and fr&m mystery thrown arouncTthem. Every obstruction to the discovery and identification of the claimants is raised. We do not wish the same experiment to be made on the Davies's and Williams's, as was tried upon poor Smith, whose house, for the purpose of thinning the Pit at one of the Theatres was stated to be on fire, but we would request the Iron King" of Dowlais to offer a reward to David Davies, top of Dowlais, and another to Thomas Williams, near Dowlais Garden, if he would ascertain the extent of the litigation to which Hs benevolence would lead. The preamble of the Reform Bill runs « that it is expedient to take effectual measures for correcting divers ahuses." So far as regards this county the words should be "committing divers abuses." It will be easily supposed that the same low and dirty tactics which can fabricate votes would extend to the privation of tho legitimate voters of their franchise. And so it is. Objections the most frivolous, and notices the most vexatious, are served upon gentlemen and their tenants, and it is to be feared by the connivance and consent of a man whose rank, station, and eonnections should have taught him better. It is true that the Battle of the Constitution has been fought and wop iii the Courts of Registration, but the weapons of our warfare have been forged and tempered in fires of which these Dowlais buccaneers kaov nothing. The metal of Conservatism is trut. and it is fashioned by honesty, and our arms shall not be wrested from us by fraud, nor stolen by livery. It is impossible that votes, such as we.